Everything Wrong With Arrival In 16 Minutes Or Less
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- Arrival was easily one of the best films of 2016, and all of us at CinemaSins just loved it. That being said... no movie is without sin. So...
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You know what blew my mind? Ian quoting Louise's book at the beginning and saying that language is the first weapon ever drawn in any conflict. THEN the aliens later say ''offer weapon'' and it turns out they're OFFERING THEIR LANGUAGE
Bääääm why are u blowing my mind! i totally have to watch it again!!
They had enough understanding of the heptapods' language by then that they could finally ask "What is your purpose?" to which the aliens replied "offer weapon". The humans took that to mean that the aliens wanted them to offer them weapons, but it turns out the aliens' purpose was to teach them their language
Another moment worth re-watching is when them couple of idiots try to blow up the ship, the alien that died stays behind to save the main character because it knows its going to die anyway because it sees everything at once. I explained that really poorly so it probably doesnt make sense
No I get it. When Louise finally realised that their purpose was to teach their language and she explained that the language altered one's perception of time, I remember thinking that the dying alien must have known it would die if it came to Earth, but came anyway
So so subtle but so brilliant
Greenland is an autonomous country withing the Kingdom of Denmark. Soo thats actually accurate in the movie.
Mark Bonikowsky just wanted to write that lol
That’s a sin for cinemasins not knowing this.
If it had said Greenland they’d have sinned it for Greenland not being a country.
Or “In case you confused it with Greenland, Texas”
I'm glad someone mentioned it.
Also,
* *Ding* *.
Mark Bonikowsky I don't get how people don't know that I mean it's written in every map : Greenland (Denmark)
Saddest part of this movie is that Abbot knew he was going to die all along.
Oh yeah, Louise knew her daughter would die too, but I was mainly sad for Abbot xD.
You could argue she was selfish for deciding to bring a child into the world having know she will surfer and also die in the future. But I like the way Louise explained it; she had the daughter because she may have had a positive influence on others and not having her WOULD have been selfish.
Everyone knows one day their child will die.Most hope and assume it is after living a long life.
Huey Freeman exactly my point. Also the movie say that events through time are set in stone, so I don‘t think not having her would even have been an option after the movies logic. Of course you can ask yourself „well if she just shoots herself right then and there, wouldn‘t that throw time off?“ but that‘s a question for the movie to answer lol.
Am I the only one not over the chaos of living your life all at once? Like, Jeremy says Louise talking to the general and getting the phone number was convenient, but in that non-linear way of thinking you're literally being hit with your past, present, and future all at once. God, that would be so disorienting and you can see the impact of it when she's interacting with her daughter. The real coincidence is that she managed to focus long enough to bring that future knowledge back to the precise point in the past where she needed it. Not to mention the absolute chaos of only knowing linear time and suddenly experiencing non-linear. That would be the definition of feeling yourself go insane.
They get into this in the short story, "Story of Your Life." Dr. Banks questions if knowing the future changes a person. It's impossible for us to imagine because we are slated in time, but you could ask if we would actually commit to actions. Just something to try and think about.
Denmark speaks for Greenland, because Denmark runs Greenland.
Greenland does not depend on denmark for diplomacy so no denmark would not speak for them on an issue like this
Greenland is an autonomous country denmark has little actual control over them
Oh my god! It's the beige one himself! You have been blessed!
@@ziegfeld4131 But Denmark still runs foreign affairs and defence for Greenland, so it makes sense Denmark would be there on behalf of them.
Shit its lindyoffwhite, how u doin son thanks for the tip on the easily googlable sin they added, thats a ree from me
Some times I watch cinema sins just so I can watch a shorter version of whatever movie he's reviewing.
perfectdaysofplunder bruh.... really?
It's comments like these that show there is a problem with CinemaSins that many people have tried to address and many fanboys have refused to acknowledge.
"I have always regretted that none of my films have contained a lap-dance. From 2001 to Eyes Wide Shut, I have constantly missed the opportunity to film one, and will forever feel incomplete that I could not achieve this simple goal."
- Stanley Kubrick
You're a terrible person.
You're robbing yourself of everything which makes movies great,
4:02 The reason for this question: she shows the army dude that the other prof. is likely to translate sensitive words (such as this ambiguous Sanskrit word) with a bias toward 'aggressive' meanings. The army dude realises that with this sensitive alien situation they need a translator to be more biased towards 'neutral' translations.
Si Barron That is a great explanation my dude. Except all the other sins pointed to the general being rather thick and would in no way support this explanation lol
You're a genius!
That's message that could have been conveyed much more clearly, either way, the approach was completely nonsensical movie wise and realistically wise
@@JosephDanielVids But isn't it great not to be spoon-fed every detail. To see this kind of revelations in forums/discussions, to be in awe, and to exclaim that's nice!!
I was looking for this comment... thanks :)
Remove many, many, many sins for Max Richter's beyond gorgeous music.
I am shooketh he didn't take any off for a great score
No..Hans Zimmer
@@motrhead69 Nope
and those back for forcing the dude to play it for a sh*t movie
This dumb-as-heck Tapping-your-own-chest-and-say-your-name/species
deserves at least 10 Sins. It's cliche, logic plot and much more, all on one,
so 10 Sins are NICE and POLITE.
If you actually know stuff about the subject,
you find this movie way more groossly dumb.
At 3:08, the part when Louise asks "how many are speaking" and Forest Whitaker waits to answer is perfect. It expands the reality of the moment. He's a full bird Colonel with discretion on what he can and can not say. If he had immediately answered it would have been him knowing the dialogue. Him taking a moment to weigh the situation, helped immerse me in the moment.
Agreed . It make more human.
10:27 Greenland is a territory of Denmark. It's not a sin, it's more like another sign of the film's credibility.
I was just coming down here to comment this! Gotta nit-pick my favorite nit-picker.
And Denmark is a territory of Germany, so...
ⵔⵓⴽⴰⵜⴽⴰⵜ it isn't...
ⵔⵓⴽⴰⵜⴽⴰⵜ Who told you that? It’s very wrong.
They never said it wasn't part of Denmark, but that it can be identified by its own location. You don't label the British Virgin Islands as United Kingdom. It's too far for it to make sense.
But Greenland is PART of Denmark. Sinning your sins.
Pearl127 cinemasinssins
Pearl127 i was looking through comments trying to find this comment
Yeah seriously, that's a lack of basic geography CS. Come on boys.
Thomas Willard that name has so many letter s's I'm sinning it.
now to be fair I don't think Greenland actually likes Denmark and Greenland has their own flag
I think one of the most important aspects of this movie was the way it destabilized our understanding of language and context. Ian thought this was a math problem so it became a math problem and Louise thought this was a linguist problem so her mind became synced with the Heptapod’s understanding of time. We fail to grasp the ways our language affects how we think of ideas. The reason future Louise didn’t remember the phone call was because it hadn’t happened yet. Future Louise and Present Louise are both memories of each other simply forgotten until remembered. Future remembered the present just as present remembered the future. Just like the last line was “I’ve forgotten how good it felt to be held by you” despite that being the first time they had hugged. The reason we skip the first interaction is to prepare us for the jarring jumping through time where that meeting has always already occurred.
this is brilliant!
I like the way you think my friend. And now I wanna rewatch with this comment in mind
Nothing about his movie "destabilized our understanding of language and context". That makes no sense at all. It's just a bunch of words thrown together that don't mean anything coherent. This movie did not cause any change in the general understanding of language in the real world. "Destabilize our understanding of context" is gibberish altogether. This was just a decently directed science fiction movie, well-designed to make audiences feel smarter than they are.
@@Dorian-_-Gray You missed the main premise of the movie, then. It starts with the translation and meaning of the Sanskrit word because it wants you to understand that just because you know the translation of a word in a different language, doesn't mean you know its meaning and how it may be used in a sentence or in a certain context. "Destabilizing our understanding of language and context" isn't just gibberish. It has a very clear meaning if you understand what the movie is truly about. The movie is about how bias can completely change how you interpret things
Well it is based on a short story.
1:42 That is *literally* the way college students act when an alarm goes off. The sin is actually real life. Ding.
This dumb-as-heck Tapping-your-own-chest-and-say-your-name/species
deserves at least 10 Sins. It's cliche, logic plot and much more, all on one,
so 10 Sins are NICE and POLITE.
If you actually know stuff about the subject,
you find this movie way more groossly dumb.
@@slevinchannel7589 lmaooo okay bud
@@Kyle34562 That was the smartest you could come up with?
Wow.
@@slevinchannel7589 most linguists found the film fine. The only sketchy part are the clichés of “linguists-as-translations” and the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis stuff.
The bit you’re complaining about you should know about if you’ve ever taken LING101 at university. It’s called monolingual discovery, just hammed up because it’s cinema.
All you had to do was Google a bit: dankoboldt.com/linguistics-in-arrival/
@@slevinchannel7589 why are you commenting this exact phrase under so many comments. Obsessed much?
10:28 Greenland is a territory of Denmark, so yes, Denmark is representing Greenland, the same way Washington, D.C. would represent America if a shell had landed in Hawaii.
Pfhorrest Hawaii is state, they are not just a territory. Now if an alien egg landed on Puerto Rico or Guam then it would be like that.
thank you
Sins get 1 sin for poor education 🎵
Can confirm, lives there
Pfhorrest No, Washington would represent the USA, not America
(10:28) Greenland is owned by Denmark. Adding a sin.
Cinema Sins is fucking retarded these days.
Is it just me or was this typical American? Critizing the difference between a zero-sum and a positive sum game, but way too lazy to just Google Denmark and Greenland?
Well technically, Greenland has their own government and is independent. But they are financially dependent of Denmark
But Greenland is still a independent country not reliable off Denmark.
One sin removed.
Greenland has almost no inhabitants at all, when world level events happen like this pretty sure Denmark will take over.
Can we just appreciate this movie for not holding your hand?
Her translation about the cows showing that she has a neutral bias to translating words in context, but you would have to think carefully to realize it.
A lot more “show not tell” than most movies we see these days, like the gravity switching and witnessing scenes with her rather than her explaining them as she walks.
Having an actually awesome plot twist and is epic and that most viewers would not see coming.
Still too much tells Tbh. Knew the ending half way through the movie
q@@scifi_shop
@4:15 Forrest doesn't need to know the real translation. He needs someone who understands how language works in relation to a society. Cows were very important to those that spoke Sanskrit. This example demonstrates a theory that is the basis for the whole movie. Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis: that a language influences how its speakers perceive the world. Once she speaks in their language it changes how she perceives the world (and time).
10:28 Greenland is actually a part of the Kingdom of Denmark.
Jeremy confirms the American stereotype of not knowing anything about geography *PING*
I had to stop watching after that
that's why he said "over 1800 miles away" because if they were in greenland, the location should say greenland on the screen, and if they were in mainland denmark then they should be in denmark
Martin Macak Nope they didn't. They just got it wrong.
Greenland is mainland denmark... technically...
great film. in case anyones wondering , the line loiuse says to the general in chinese translates to "in war there are no winners, only widows".
Robot Raptor Rawr! Grr! rarr!
Sorry, had to. Obligatory Dino talk.
It doesn't make sense for me that they subtitled the alien language but not that dialogue
probably to maintain the idea that it was supposed to be an extremely private line
Robot Raptor wow that does not seem like it would stop me from going to war lol I thought I would be something else
yeah,the line was supposed to be the generals wifes dying words which no one else could have possibly known asides from the general. i think the interesting thing is that one of the movies themes is something called retrospective memory, the idea that if time was not relevant then we could remember future events like we remembers past event. this is what happens to louise in the film. time is not relevant to the aliens (or entitys.) so as louise begins to understand and become fluent in there language which is non linear she starts to see future happenings. mainly her daughter.
if i was to hazard a guess id say that the generals wife had not yet died and that what louise says to him triggers a future memory in which not only is she a widow, which would mean the general is dead, but also in a reality where war had been initiated and the general had lost.
Idk why people get salty when CinemaSins does their favourite movie. I love it when they do mine, its fun by mostly just poking fun at little things in the movie.
I just watched Arrival, then, right afterwards watched this. That and the fact that Arrival is a favorite just made it twice the fun. Too tickled for words!
This dumb-as-heck Tapping-your-own-chest-and-say-your-name/species
deserves at least 10 Sins. It's cliche, logic plot and much more, all on one,
so 10 Sins are NICE and POLITE.
If you actually know stuff about the subject,
you find this movie way more groossly dumb.
@@slevinchannel7589 what subject? Biology? Film?
@@jamescallahan7000 ALIENS.
How cryptic. Which aliens have you met? The little grey ones, or the ones with plaster ridges on their skulls or the tiny furry ones?
I think the fact that he took 3 sins off the film just for how it is, and that so many of the sins are jokes, shows how much he actually likes this film
Which no one else on Earth seems to understand. SIN +1
Greenland is owned by Denmark (10:28). Ding!
It's not owned by Denmark... its a Danish dependent territory with autonomous self rule.
@Debo Datta yeah but if literal fucking aliens turned up in Greenland, the Danes are probably going to take over that situation.
Indeed they would - While Greenland is largely self-governed, one area that Denmark controls is military and policing. Which an alien landing would definitely fall under.
I was looking for this comment. Even tho they are autonomous Denmark would probable still be in charge tbh
8:10 It's explained that their language is not phonetic, so whatever names they have in writing have no English spoken word equivalent. You can call them whatever you want. I would've called them "Thing 1" and "Thing 2"
12:39. If aliens are writing on a giant screen you would want to capture what they write in very high definition, which would allow plenty of zoom capability.
13:22. Yes they understood English before they arrived. They pretended not to, to cause dread and anxiety, so the humans were highly motivated to learn their coffee stain language, as if their lives depended on it. Only then they would be ready for the gift.
hahaha coffee stain language. But if they understood english doesn't that mean they could write it?
I would say yes. But they wanted humans to have total immersion. Like in my Spanish class. The teacher knows English but she won't use it, so we are forced to think in Spanish.
makes sense
I would have called them Sam and Frodo. :P
Grafight23
Never call an alien " thing" anything. Never works out well.
Read the short story as well and from what I gather - she is not really living in multiple timelines, she is "remembering" the future. Just like any memory of the past, sometimes it is hard to recall clearly and immediately.
Despite the deterministic nature of life, it is still worth experiencing, for the same reason we like to re-watch movies we love, re-read books we enjoy, or re-visit places we know well.
44 seconds in and she does the exact cursory glance you accuse her of not doing. Great job.
don't look at the giant alien egg, don't look at the giant alien egg... dammit!
Yes i also watched the video. Thanks for reminding me
I'd like to explain that Denmark is representing Greenland because Greenland is technically still ruled by Denmark even though it's an independent state. Greenland : Denmark :: Guam : US
I'm thinking of moving to Aarhus but am not too sure where that 82% of English Speaking Denmark is. I don't want to roll the dice and move to the wrong town.
10:37 Actually Greenland is technically part of Denmark. So yeah, Denmark is calling the shots for Greenland
Day 27 is consistent with some parts of the movie. When they go back in before the explosion, they say it's session 36 part 2. It's also said that the shell opens up every 18 hours. 27 days * 24 hours / 18 hrs per opening = 36 sessions.
I think the sin about Ian & Louise not wearing their suits while the rest of crew still do when visiting the Heptapods is because they don't trust the aliens whereas Ian & Louise do
IT'S A METAPHOR
Miss Keisha I wouldn't take these videos too seriously. Half the stuff is wrong or nitpicking because "comedy/satire"
Miss Keisha I agree 100% with that!
including a visual metaphor in a movie cliché. *ding*
*"It's METAPHORICAL!!!!!"*
-Taserface
Jake Johnson you can sometimes tell when a sin was legitimately thought of though, especially with continuation errors and plot holes. The ones that aren't supposed to be taken seriously are the ones that are so over the top ridiculous or their trademarks like the everytime a character eats an apple. Of course, you're also right to some extent. I never take any of these videos personally. It's just funny.
10:28 Denmark is calling the shots for Greenland because they control Greenland
1:53 narrator cant hide the moment when he almost laughs reading this line
11:45 _Ahem_
*"A High Seven"*
Technically she'd still be giving him a high 5, but he'd be giving her the high 7.
got about half way through, and decided to go watch the movie before you spoiled it, thank you for forcing me to watch an amazing movie :)
I got a good minute in and just finished watching the movie and then the rest of this! It was a really good movie. Too complex for my pea brain, but still great😂
See... I remember watching parts of this movie, before, popping in & out of the room but didn't really get into it. I'm guessing - after watching this - it's bc it's the type of movie u have to follow all the way thru, or u won't know wth is going on... so maybe I should give it another watch!
Liking your comment so more viewers will do the same lol. This movie is truly amazing.
@@hayleynitschke8296 He missed a part where she asked (before seeing aliens for the first time) what do they look like and they told her - you'll see. It really looked like Amy Adams wasn't warned at all what do aliens and ship look like. Which is weird. She would be fully debriefed before entering. Otherwise it would be too much stress.
@@goranmilic442 Not necessarily. The army is not concerned with individual stress levels. In this scenario, they wanted fresh perspectives, unbiased by someone's attempts at describing the aliens.
10:28 Greenland is a territory of Denmark, though....
*DING*
Honestly though, this was one of the best movies in modern cinema. It is heartfelt, touching, and totally recommended
lets be honest, you'd sin them for the instant reveal of the alien ship if they had done that
Sin 59: Denmark owns Greenland
dialga reshiram exactly
I actually really liked this movie. It was a balanced amount of sci-fi and didn't have horrors and screaming at every turn. I legitimately did not know what was going to happen and had so many questions about the aliens.
SimmonSays no movie is without sin.
CinemaSins LOVED this movie. They say so on the SinCast.
EDIT: It also says so in the description of this video. Whoops.
you act like its considered bad just because it was on Cinema Sins.
This movie got AMAZING ratings, its not surprising that you liked it.
The ending was lazy, they clearly didn't know how to end it or where to go with it so they made it into a shitty art film at the end it was bullshit tried to be thoughtful but it seemed more to me they just ran out of money, a lot of scenes use cheap techniques to avoid spending money on set stuff
SimmonSays sounds like a good watch. I tend to stay away from MODERN sci fi (except Star Wars lol ) because they add unnecessary horror, gore and creepy stories to it. Tried watching Star Trek Discovery but episode 9 of that was unbelievably disgusting.... so anyway thanks for your comment bc I do love sci fi and knowing that this isn’t as bad horror wise is v helpful ! 🙃
Sin 47, they explain that their symbols and their sounds have no correlation to their sounds, unlike any language on Earth
Glenn Villeneuve, a western ascetic who has opted for a primitive existence said it best “when I’ve been out here long enough, I stop thinking in words”. I cannot stress enough how the ramifications of that are so positively world and paradigm shattering yet it’s simply glossed over; and honestly how many people know he said it, or such a state of being is even possible?
The ending made me rethink my existence and zone out for like 30 min
Kiara facts lol
OMFG ME TOO
you must be 16 then
Kiara omfg same
Kiara this whole movie made me zone out and rethink my life choices
I'm going to go ahead and say the soundtrack of this movie deserved taking at least 3 sins off.
And I'm going to go ahead, give you a thumbs up and wholeheartedly agree with you!
You said it!!!!!! Best soundtrack in years!!!!!
True, especially on the nature of daylight.
Man, on the nature of daylight can make me cry like a baby anytime.
I'm gonna go ahead and downvote you all. Silence interrupted by alien farts is not a soundtrack
Oh my god, his laugh at his own child support payment joke lol
I will forever be your biggest fan just for the Ghost Dog reference alone. lol
Greenland is the sovereign territory of Denmark
Sammy Martin glad I am not the only one who caught that. It's a sad day when cinema sins blames a film for the sin of its own ignorance... Take that sin back, and hang it on your fridge please..
You know its a good movie if most the sins all turn out to be jokes, nitpicks or compliments disguised as sins
Lol...right! I was like...umm...these aren't "mistakes" in my eyes it is seriously ridiculously petty nit picking about set design and shit...dumb.
This movie was PHENOMENAL.
Point-Blank-Period...
Frankly, I agree with you. The things they've decided to nit pick are so DUMB it only proves how extraordinary this movie truly is.
Jess Feldmann I, personally, found it very boring.
Though that could be because I don't really like alien invasion movies (other than Attack from Mars and Aliens)
Cinemasins usually writes a short 1-2 sentence paragraph detailing how they actually felt about the movie in their description. In this one they say it‘s easily one of the best movies of 2016 and their whole team loved it. That‘s a compliment for ya lol. I‘ve only seen it once and that was yesterday but it is already easily one of my favorite movies of all times and definitely my favorite science fiction movie, even trumping Star Wars. Absolute beauty of a movie
@@jessarose2288 You need to not take this channel so seriously perhaps.
@@renes7280 You have low standards.
6:14 People on that base would be completely isolated from everything. There wouldn't be TVs, internet access, or family chats.
1:50 dunno what is funnier, the joke or the fact he laughed at the end of it
Majong is commonly played by millions of people today. It is readily available on devices everywhere. Not a stretch to believe that Louise would recognize the tile sets. Pretty sure you would immediately make the connection to playing cards if someone said King, Queen, Jack, Ace.
endorbr mahjohngg is one of my favorite games. Yet just the mention of the tile sets doesn't make me immediately think Mahjohngg
Now...nothing she's done show any hint that she played anything like that.
And her own life seems to keep her busy as well....hes mostly just sinning that it's like she knows EVERYTHING.
While, king, queen Jack, etc are specific to cards mostly. Saying king and queen is one thing, but start saying jack and ace and it gives it away.
But mentioning flowers....they could mean actual flowers...or the meaning we have set for those flowers to mean. Or the color or the location where they grow mostly. AND Mahjohngg
That's the point of the sin
absolutely right Endorbr, except it may not be millions but billions, haha. Almost all Chinese know how to play Mahjong and there are billions. Also, many non-chinese play Mahjong as aps on their smart phones.
@@agonleed3841 to be fair, i would not associate "King, Queen, Ace and Jack" with cards if I heard them being said in another language. Perhaps listening to her speak the name of the tiles in mandarin would help?
You know what she says - language alters the way your mind works
@@necromelodia2432 i can see saying it or such..but..cards are universal enough AND very specific. You don't have to know the language. Just like i don't know the language of every variation of mahjong. I recognize the images..it's just that certain versions would lead you to other paths of thoughts. Moreso than the deck of cards.
Path of least resistance
When I was 5 or 6 my mom's pc had Majong installed, I am not saying that in age of 5 I was able to recognize and play Majong, but since that time the game wasn't alien to me anymore, so super plausible for a big brain linguistic specialist who happens to speak mandarin to know it.
That scene where they first went into the spaceship and met the aliens gave me goosebumps and was sooo good.
Didn't you realize you were watching a movie and it was part of the script? I don't understand how people get wrapped up in fictional work.
Air Em Out what a shame u can't enjoy stuff like that .-.
Air Em Out Yes of course I was aware I was watching a movie, but I got so immersed into it I felt like I was there too alongside the characters. I think it depends on how invested you are in the characters/movie. Of course if you are half heartedly watching it you won't get wrapped up, but if you actually are enjoying the movie and just focusing on it, the film becomes enthralling.
4:18 surprised he didn’t give a sin for the fact that he said “we take off in ten” as if he had the option of just leaving her behind because she needed ten extra minutes
The weird conversation in thee beginning with the professor and asking him for the meaning of whatever word is a code... The two of them have specific answers to give.
Greenland is autonomous but is also a part of the Kingdom of Denmark.. I guess that's why they're calling the shots.
10:28 Greenland is kinda-sorta ruled by Denmark, which is why the map shows the landing in Greenland, but the screen labels the government as Denmark.
Greenland and Faroe Islands are part of The Kingdom of Denmark.
they are Sovereign states
HAHAHA! They even refer to both countries!
They label themselves as consituent countries within the Kingdom of Denmark, similar to how Scotland and such are considered countries withint the UK, but as far as international law is concerned, they are still regarded as being under Danish sovereignty.
I live in Denmark and Greenland is a part of DK
omfg I died when I heard the "ack ack"
Hehe.. 😬🙌🙄
This is in my all-time top 3. No movie is without sin, but this film is a god damned masterpiece.
Mate, Greenland is part of Denmark. Its independent to a certain extent And Denmark controls Geenland's foreign policy, your sin, not the movie's.
Ding*
Ding* Ding*
Yea, it’s like Greenland is to Denmark as Puerto Rico is to the US.
Exactly! Also, even if Greenland became fully independent tomorrow, it has 55 000 inhabitants. They'd probably get some outside help for things like translating alien languages, and since they'd still have a cultural / linguistic relationship with Denmark, Denmark would still be where their translators would be.
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1:52 I heard you laugh at your own joke, damnit
CinemaSins wait a minute...
It was a great joke though
I am dying 🤣🤣
Max Richter's The sound of daylight is such a perfect piece for the movie
the moment when he laughed at his own joke about child support payments, witty lol
This one is going to be tough to watch considering _Arrival_ is one of my favorite movies.
Literally Shitler Same here top 3 movies I watched last year.
For some reason its not for me, I enjoy Cinemasins videos on terrible movies because they rip them apart, bt on movies I love, like this one its pretty funny still because...
no movie is without sin.
Literally Shitler yea
Lower sin count than average (esp. considering the runtime), including some sin reductions.
Literally Shitler agreed I've totally wimped out on a couple of my favourite movies.
I think Louise experiences time non-consecutively but still linearly, so instead of going from time A to time B to time C like a normal human she goes from time A to time C to time B, each moment doesn't lead to the next consecutive moment in time. That's my explanation to why she suddenly seems to know nothing when she meets General Shang, its because future Louise is suddenly replaced by past Louise who now needs to know what's going on.
You mean to say she experiences time serially, not linearly. Linearly would be A to B to C ... Consecutively could be A to D to F to B to L.
daveknow Yeah that's the word! Serially.
Exactly why Abbot is in a death process and not dead yet, as he is still living going through his own linear time despite knowing he already died.
You missed sinning the dumbest conversation in the entire movie:
- "Language is the cornerstone of society"
- "No, science is the cornerstone of society"
Yeah sure, but you know god damn well you wouldn't have science if we didn't have language first. But I guess they had to throw the "Hawkeye is a science buff" thing in our faces.
yea. They probably wrote that line thru gritted teeth. Contradicts most of the movies claims to language as fundamental to our way of thought.
Maths, physics, biology, equations don't need translation. It is a language itself
No, Renner's character was right. Pure science transcends language. See also mathematics, physics, astronomy, etc., which can be shared regardless of language and with instant understanding. It's also a core point of Carl Sagan's "Contact."
That doesn't mean language is unimportant. But language is by its very nature divisive and localized. Science and mathematics transcend that.
So I really don't think the point was, "Oh hey, let's give the guy who played Hawkeye a moment." It was earned and important to his character.
The most unrealistic thing in this movie (yes, more unrealistic than the aliens) was bringing in ONE linguist and ONE physicist (both too young to have substantial recognition). I imagine in a scenario like this they would rather create a team consisting of the best and most renowned linguists, interpreters, encryptors/decryptors, mathematicians, possibly biologists and maybe physicists. I get it was a secret project but that doesn't excuse giving that important task to only two people. I get that more people means more disagreement but also disagreement means the supervisors get to know various viewpoints and interpretations while getting more argumentation behind each idea and hypothesis. It would be a mess, I know, but closer to the truth than one person's neatly explained theory.
Still, I think it's an amazing movie, really loved it overall.
The reveal was only worth one sin off? That bombshell was easily worth 5.
He didn't sin the obvious reveal? Damn.
blike22 bullshit it was obvious.
Oh, good. Someone else that saw it coming.
blike22 obvious? So you saw that and the first thought that came to you was "uh yeah that's obviously not her actual child and just a vision from the future". Bull shit
What I'm sad he didn't sin is just how irrelevant that whole arc was. You could cut literally every flash to her daughter's life and the central plot would be entirely unchanged. Essentially, the whole thing was a waste of runtime.
I'm assuming someone has already said this but Greenland is a territory of Denmark and I can't believe you didn't look that up, it suits your character more.
I'd like to remove a sin and then one more for the movie actually being extra accurate.
It's not a "territory" it's an Autonomous Constituent Country of the Kingdom of Denmark. That means they have their own government, police, control over their borders, law, etc. They chose to leave the EEC while Denmark remained, so even though historically and culturally are considered part of the Kingdom, politically and economically they are very much their own nation.
You do not hold that power of removing sins.
They never said it wasn't. They're asking why Denmark is speaking for Greenland. It's like if the film said Great Britain or the United Kingdom was speaking for Scotland, Northern Ireland, or the Virgin Islands. Greenland is a semi-autonomous kingdom which can speak for itself, even though it's a protectorate of Denmark. We can recognise it has its own agency.
Stating something that you know has been stated cliche. At least you bothered to acknowledge the fact that you weren't the first person to state it. It still does not excuse you. Ding!
"I'm assuming someone has already said this. . ." says the comment right above the 37 other comments about Denmark.
Awesome Kids in the Hall audio clip at the end 🤣😆 "I'm crushing your head" 😂
Really, really loved the movie. A fascinating take on time and language.
I still don't really get why Louise is apparently a lot better at looking into the future than at remembering her own past if what she used to think was the beginning of Hannah's story clearly isn't and she knew it wasn't well before it began.
14:21 NO! She started understanding the language, which makes her see into the future (explained in the movie), and seeing the book made her understand what happened.
EDIT: That is also the most important and a GENIUS thing about the movie's structure. As she begins understanding the language, she (and the audience) sees flashes from her future. But in the beginning of the movie we (the audience, but not her) can see events from the future, mixing the linear time of the story and the movie, which makes it a lot more interesting and mind blowing.
Not that I'll likely watch it again to confirm your ideas, but what part parts of the movie early on are from the future?
Matias Auramo indeed, their language begins and starts at the same point, so the story is told the same. Good job
Explain to me why she couldn't save her daughter? Why couldn't she do the same thing she did with the general? It's the same scenario: she does the thing and saves the daughter and 10-20 years in the future she hears from the news the cure for that disease was discovered and her past self could have seen that and saved her daughter. Same scenario, why is one possible and the other not? You might say: well this and that but it's just as possible as a world leader who you've never meet before walks up to you, gives you his phone number and tells you something he heard from you 10-20 years ago, that somehow you don't already know.... That is the problem with the movie, too many "Why?" questions.
The very beginning of the movie where she's with the child and all the flashes throughout the movie. At first the audience obviously doesn't know yet that those scenes are from her future, so we'll easily think that they are flashbacks because they are used in a very similar way (the editor of the movie also mentioned about this in an interview. Trust me, I wrote my bachelor's thesis about this subject so I did my research and analyzed the movies, Arrival was one of them).
+dan henry maybe she dies before a cure is discovered and therefore doesn't know the cure?
1:50 I love how he giggled while he read that😂😂😂
Oculus 89 i only just got the throw away joke. Haha
I wonder how many times he had to redo that line before he could do even that.
It's like he felt so proud of himself
I was watching this on my streamer but hopped on my laptop JUST to comment on that line. The 12-year-old boy inside this 45-year-old woman is still tickled by "probably why he has so many child support payments".
"12-year-old boy inside this 45-year-old woman"....something isn't adding up here.
This is great for remembering old movies that you liked but just forgot most of, and as you remember the scenes as they come up you remember the missing stuff in between all without watching the movie, I still mainly watch the videos for Jeremy though
16:48 Hilarious! The Cable Guy referencing Midnight Express’ nipple pressed up against the glass. 😂😂😂
Cinema Sins Greenland fail.
me227 ding
Greenland is part of Denmark. *ding*
GREY666KILLER YES someone else that was bothered by that sin
Couldn't even finish the "pull-out" joke without a chuckle.
CinemaSins sin counter: infinite
No lie, the line Ian gave her at the end made me tear up. Cheesy you say? How many Men have ever used something so cute. lol
the comment section helped me meet you Jennifer
@@saeedm6671 hahahaha . Priceless
I don't really agree with the sin at 13:33, the whole point of Louise and Ian's job was to figure out a way to communicate with the aliens, as to get the real reason they arrived in the first place; hence the argument for teaching them kindergarten words. If Louise had managed to communicate enough to start understanding their language, I think it would be safe to assume she had managed to teach them enough to understand ours as well.
Although, since we find out the Heptapods don't see time as linear, it would probably be safe to also assume that the aliens did in fact know english (and all other languages) from the very beginning. However it seems as though that would've made it too easy for us. I think the idea was that the Heptapods wanted us to actually LEARN the language, not just be given it. And of course to inevitably work together to finish learning the language. After all, they needed humanity as a whole to help save them in the future, not divided as they were.
ShadowReapers23 Yes. They probably knew English from the very beginning, but they needed Louise to learn the heptapod language to be able unlock time.
the point was for humans(louise) to learn their language (knowing their language rewires the brain into seeing/thinking time like they do), they didn't want just to communicate with humans. when you learn a second language, most teachers don't speak the language you already know, they speak in the new language even though you don't know a word of it. After learning a couple of languages besides my mother tongue, I can totally understand the concept that a new language rewires your brain.
When you really think about it, they already knew that humans would learn the language, as in their minds, they already had. which is also why they knew our language because they had already been taught it
Even if time is not linear for them we can see that they can only process snippets of it, and if you did not do it in the past then you would not have it's effects in future
See the China president scene
PLEASE DO THE TRUMAN SHOW!!!!!!!!
an interesting story ,
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The Mysterious Gravity Falls Person yes good film but I think he sinned it already.im not sure
Yes I would love That!!
Yellow 13 bump. that would be awesome. i know they love that movie!
The "Mars Attacks" audio clip had me laughing so hard I cried. It just really got me in the funny bone.
You also watched Mars Attack... Awesome.
@@simoneangeliquemaloney3990 Great movie
@@Karl_Drogo55 yeah
This was a genuinely good EWW video, with no excessive nit-picking. I could tell y’all really enjoyed this movie. 10/10. 5 stars
You know Greenland belongs to Denmark don’t you so actually it makes total factual sense for Greenland to be represented by Denmark.
Yodibar *sigh* American education...
100%
lmao Greenlands Sovereign state is the Kingdom of Denmark. So thats their international representative. Like England is represented by the UK. Has nothing to do with education. Real ignorance is you saying that.
Brian of America Um... So you basically agreed with us while trying to disagree?
+sigh+ American education... [2]
Guilherme Souza lol you guys both seem salty
You missed the point of the linearity of time - her mind has exited the linearity so she experiences things in the order her mind goes even though everyone around her experiences her in a relatively normal linearity of time. Which is a mind boggling and bizarre concept but still consistent with the logic of the movie
Patrick Jensen it came out last year and it's one of the most intelligent movies i've ever watched
It's challenging, and it's a surprise something that is not MCU got made
I hate Hollywood.
“An orange festival?” That got me 😂
the line "they arrive" was from the book so technically the sin goes to Story of Your Life
You know a movie is good if it gets less than 100 sins on CinemaSins
Nicolas Matteo OMG YES LOL not even bonus sins
Heliogabalus Roses it’s just a movie man calm down
Nicolas Matteo it doesn't make it good. It could be a critically hated movie, and it can still get less than 100 sins
Heliogabalus Roses you okay.
That ain't true, my friend. Frozen had less than a 100 sins, but it still sucks as hell.
Sin fail!
Greenland is an autonomous constituent country within the Kingdom of Denmark
whitestripee thank you
I have to say this movie is a general masterpiece. The soundtrack is just great and not cliche. The plot is amazing and as a linguistic enthusiast talking about the non linear of their time and language is very interesting to me.
And all this time I still don't know how you would learn another language without any reference for it.
The movie is partly about language and yet how exactly do the humans translate the alien language.
i'd assume they translate the human language after teaching them our language
they show human written and point at themselves, they write human in their language, and just apply that to everything
Linguistics is fucking complicated, and the people that develop translation are pretty smart. Looking for repetition or patterns correlated with "things" helps. The three minutes monologue probably glosses over that for the sake of runtime
@@AudioArcturia yeah I guess it's like learning Arabic or Chinese as an Englishmen in the 10th century would be mind boggling... for Discovery channel to explain haha
I was expecting the aliens of Arrival to write as emotions or story format through time-ey time thing or individual experience so literally there's no alphabet or every squid ink circle is unique. Anywayzzz
A sin to your sin; while knowing a language doesn't automatically give you "all knowing knowledge", when you've spent a lot of time with the language you'll pick up on things about popular culture. Such as historically potent games like mahjong is to Chinese speakers.
So as a linguistic polyglot I find it very very plausible that she would know how to say mahjong tile names and their context.
LeJacqline yeah but once they learn that language, the septopods could give them all knowing knowledge.
LAMB SAUCE LOCATED that has nothing to do with the point I was making. I was saying that their sin was wrong which was saying that she would NOT have all knowing knowledge about mahjong and I was explaining why she would know that while not having the all knowing knowledge.
You are correct. I speak Spanish and I learned a lot of culture along with the language. It's a must to really understand it. On a side note, I know about mahjong and don't speak mandarin.
中国有几百种麻将式，武汉麻将，有四川麻将，上海麻将，长沙麻将...中国麻将有多少种？估计没人说得清，甚至每个村庄的打法都不同. Even the most cultured Chinese won't claim themselves Mahjong experts...typical western thinking.
That's the first time I've heard the word polyglot since college. Nice.
I'd just like to appreciate the fact that the child support payment sin sounds like it has a slight chuckle from Jeremy in it.
I find most those sins pretty funny, as much as accurate~
I love "The Arrival", and remains in my top list of all time.
Remember guys, its a satire channel, not a serious critique
You made my night with one word, "flerding". Bahahahaha!
Biggest sin: there is no way a linguist trained in several languages would teach English to aliens. If they were going to use a language with a phonetic alphabet, they would use Esperanto. But, more likely, the aliens (which seem to communicate with language with no sound attached) would be more responsive to character system, like Japanese Kanji.
There's probably no way the US military would let her use any other language. No judgments, from their pov it'd be the way to go.
Yes, there's the military thing, but also english is, from the major languages, one of the easiest, with the most straight forward grammar and smallest vocabulary there is. Kanji is hard even for native speakers.
...why on Earth would you ever teach them a language that literally nobody uses? That would be so stupid, it would the the opposite of genius.
StarWarsomania Esperanto is simplest language that exists and mixes the sounds, letters & alphabets of all Latin languages like Spanish, French, Italian, English etc... Which means if the aliens learned Esperanto they could learn English, Spanish etc.. easier. Also, these are top minded scientists so they should ne able to learn basic phrases right? One sin for you! *Ding!*
The u.s. military is open to using other languages for communication. for instance, code talkers were natives who would use their language so it couldn't be decrypted by the enemy.
You need some geography lessons there in CinemaSins!
Hart _ for what?
Greenland is Danish :p
Living in a nonlinear timeline means that Event B may be experienced before Event A while in a linear timeline Event A is a prerequisite for the occurrence of Event B. However, it also means that the timeline may branch out in complex ways with multiple past leading to different presents and futures. Also, the observer is able to experience multiple points on the timeline simultaneously. The subject as presented in the movie is to retain a primary existence in the present but able to experience forward and backward in the timeline in a limited way. This makes sense for a being with a finite mind. You could hypothesize that a being with near infinite mental faculties could forego an existence characterized by experiencing single discrete moments in the timeline in favor of an existence that is spread uniformly across time in a state of simultaneity. This is assuming the language is unconstrained and allows for this to occur... How this language remains consistent with the laws of physics--particularly causality--is the real question.
"Zoom and Enhance Slap and Tickle" is my favorite sin band double bill.
Greenland is actually owned by Denmark, hence why Denmark is communicating with the other countries.
Self-governing country within the Danish Kingdom. Greenland is "owned" by the Greenlandic people.
Add one Geography sin
We are still waiting for Sharknado.
indeed we are
RGB Reading The whole Movie is a sin.
Do you want the sin counter to die?
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I think the funniest Cinamasin moment was when the sin counter broke in Fast n Furious 8. So yeah I look forward to the possibility of breaking the counter. czcams.com/video/uuCo7mHUQJs/video.htmlm54s
Lol, it did? I've never paid much attention to Fast and Furious
Hey! Her house shown in the beginning is the same house used in Ozark!
The fact that this film was written so well was actually really unsettling. I’m not used to science-fiction films of that higher caliber that weren’t released after 1990.