Huge study of Tesla batteries reveals degradation in hot VS cold climates
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- Huge study of Tesla batteries reveals degradation in hot VS cold climates
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Sam is the most honest and most current supplier of news. So many sites relabel old stories as "New". Sam keeps researching and posting useful new information. Good Job, Sam.
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I agree. The fact Sam doesn't address the BYD EV fires en-mass in China. He literally doesn't cover it unless it's an in your face news article like the freight ship going on fire caused by EVs.
TheChinaShow or ADVchina sure DOSE cover the content Sam doesn't though so I'm subscribed there. I would never drive or be driven in an BYD car ever period.
But I'm still here and I still have a listen to his take on things that he does cover?
The small sample size, lack of controls in this study and only slight difference in results means that no meaningful conclusions can be made. Degradation can easily vary within a given geographic region by driving and charging habits, and with different battery chemistries
Does this factor in use of AC and the Heater?
The question I asked.
Battery longevity is the most important factor to an EV's lasing value as a used vehicle.. Its best to perceive automobile market at a series of exchanges that proceed long after new vehicle production and sales..
When you create products that build a reputation for durability and long life you increase the used value and this in turn increases new vehicle sales becouse the first purchases have more trade in value. This is a long term sale method of intentionally building perceived value over many years.
As battery technology is rapidly evolving the best way to ensure lasting used vehicle value is by making battery replacement as easy and affordable as possible be designing in replacement as part of a long term business plan. This will become of increasing importance as EV transitions from more of affluent urban consumer market to mass adoption by consumers who are looking to maximize returns on vehicle investment over many years.
"will last longer than you will own the car" That's not good enough! I want it to last longer than the guy I sell it to will own it and the guy he sells it to etc. In other words, how about just "likely to outlast the normal life cycle of an ICE vehicle by a long stretch"? EV batteries today will outlast the cars they are in, especially if they are re-used for energy storage and then re-cycled.
I agree that newer LMC batteries are better. I have a Bolt EUV. I thought it was the goofiest iteration of an EV until I did more research. Winter is not good for Bolts, but I’m eager to see if I can make it work by using the cabin heater to 50F, then use the seat and steering wheel heater to keep me warm in heavy clothes.
@@carlsmith5545 - you’re right, no EV can do that. Lucid Air, TeslaS have the range, but not the charge speed. With EVs, you really only save money in town charging at home. On the road, not as much. DCFC stations charge more for faster charge speed negating savings. Then there’s the PITA of finding a station. I chose a Bolt because my use case was for a work taxi. I save $200/mo. I’ve been able to take 400 mile round trips in it for $15, but only because I could charge at their house. To do what you want, there will have to be new battery chemistry.
Great comments and interpretation of facts. With the advent of the internet, surveys have exploded and gone amuck. For example: a survey is done as to whether wearing large belts make people fat. A survey is done and indeed most overweight people DO wear large belts. Therefore the erroneous conclusion is that large belts make people fat. Take surveys expounded by the media and special interest groups with a bucket of salt!
Cheers Sam and have a good time
Great
If only everyone was as intelligent as you. Great explanation and conclusion. Thank you
Good news ,.i live in Australia, with my model 3 rear wheel drive.
Would like to hear your views on the speed of EV progress in developing countries, i.e. Most of Central and South America, Africa and Asia?
Thats easy even I know that one, no one is friggin interested as they have some common sense 😂
Hybrids are taking off in those parts of the world and it doesn't fit in Viking narrative of Pures Tesla so he avoids it. BYD is meanwhile best seller in Brazil, Thailand, Columbia, Malaysia etc.
@@protagonist9716 no Chinese full EV's in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Mozambique or Namibia and I suspect the same for the rest of Africa. No Tesla either
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Your right. I live in Pakistan and in the last two years we have a flurry of new Chinese ICE brands in Chery, Changan, BAIC, DFSK, Proton (Geely) and finally Haval hybrids. Last week MG4 bookings started but these are very expensive. It's similar situation in Bangladesh Nepal and Central Asia where wealthy people moving into hybrids. Most of third world is into transitory phase with China getting us used to their brands in ICE/hybrid form. Russia is also 70% Chinese ICE as others have left.
@@StephenChadwick-qd1wu
BYD Atto3 and Ora Cat are now available to buy in South Africa.
Afternoon mate
On the flip side, this study was portraited as good news for EV drivers in cold climates, such as Nordics home of the Wikings..
I wonder what this means in the USA Midwest where summer can be over 100F while winter can hit -30F??
In 21st Century world units, that's about 38°C in Summer and -34°C in Winter.
Love this guy
With most modern EVs,.degradation is kind of a mute issue. Even 4+ year old Leaf Plus which is nearly only DC charged and used for road trips has only 7% degradation in a hot climate. Move on.. a bit more range and variety of style and features is where people are focused. Batteries will get smaller/lighter but are not the top factor any more in buying decision.
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Does this survey look at the amount of supercharging done Your more likely to go on a road trip in warmer climates
If Tesla's are going ok after 25-30 years, they will hold their value and people will mass adopt. If their earlier models start to be a problem at 20 years, their resale value is going to dive sharply acordingly along with the company share price. As long as the battery degrades at a consistant pace and does not accelerate, it should be ok.
In 20 years we'll be having better batteries and a car from 2023 with 70% battery left will not do very well except local driving.
Telsa model S prices for used model from 10 years ago are diving. Telsamotorclub forum has a bunch of people with old 2012 needing battery replacement. Good luck keeping a car long term. Battery age by cycle and time. Father time gets to the battery no matter the miles.
You mean they actually degrade when they catch fire. Who would have thought ! 😂😂😂
Can current Teslas cool the battery below ambient temperature while stationary?
No
Wilson: not without sacrificing energy from that same battery, it takes power to maintain a lower temperature. It also takes power to preheat the battery before supercharging but that is offset by being able to charge faster... Thermal management is expensive if you have limited amount of available power, it all comes out of the range...
@@ttkddry Yeah, I was hoping it could cool the battery while plugged in. Where I live in Texas the daily high temperature is over 30 C much of the year, this summer has been unusually hot and it has been up around 40 C much of the time.
@@_winston_smith_ when charging it does cool the battery pack, it has a seperate liquid cooling in the battery packs. You can also resort to parking your car into a more shaded area when not charging of course...
Yes they can cool the battery when stationary to below ambient if required using the octovalve and heat pump.
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There's really only one car manufacturer who has both the research and ongoing telemetry to monitor what their car's batteries are doing, how they're being used and have been doing this since over ten years. They've also funded the research of certain battery gurus (in Canada as well as other places) in order to have the best minds working on the problem. It is small wonder then that they have one of the best thermal systems (for both battery heating and cooling) and don't require a "don't burn the battery when rapid charging option" (greetings Porsche and Audi 😂). If there's one company who has the data, been there and done that, then I guess it's... you know who.
@@harmony3138 come on, have a guess ;-)
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So airflow is good then for even batteries?
Sam - You say that Tesla batteries are likely to last longer than you own your car. I typically buy cars brand new and keep them 15 years. You honestly think that I can buy a Tesla Model Y with that expectation?
@@harmony3138 From my experience as a long term Tesla owner, that is BS. Everything I've heard about Tesla battery life is that you can expect them to last for a long time. LFP should last longer then ternary chemistries.
Ironically, while people around the world support Tesla, the US media always try to harm it
Not true.
@@stephenboyington630 go checkup 2019 mainstream media news on Tesla. That will change your mind.
The problem for LFP batteries in US, is the fact that Republican are stopping CATL from setting up shop for Ford & Tesla! Only goshen is aloud!
Real question is whats stopping someone else making LFP? The tech isnt China's tech - its from the west - so anyone here could in theory make them.
The Republicans have nothing to do with it. Maybe being CATL is manufactured in China does. We don’t need your Liberal Democrat mindset thank you.
Good news -this is the intelligent way to utilize renewable energy and energy storage #buzzofftoxic
All batteries degrade more in hot climates, and produce less output in cold climates. Heat is the destroyer of most chemical and mechanical processes, and if it’s not controlled it will be very destructive, and that includes an ICE engine. 🫠
Not hydrogen it appears ! 👍
@@lesliecarter4295 Okay, we're really reaching now. So you're saying that Hydrogen fuel cells last longer in high temps relative to other power sources? So what? They cost ten times as much too, and there's no where to fill up. Hydrogen keeps coming up stupid, and the hydrogen cult doesn't get it.