Classics Summarized: Don Quixote
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2018
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Spain's most famous eccentric takes center stage in a comedy that SORT of manages to hold up in spite of the majority of its humor amounting to pop-culture references that make NO sense in our current cultural climate. Also this book is about 150% longer than it needs to be, and that's not even touching on the sequel!
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first recorded instance of a murder hobo dnd character.
I mean, have you heard of Gilgamesh? Granted, he becomes less of a murder-hobo as things go on, but I digress.
Dracosfire 7 hey, are you really a murder-hobo if you revive the person afterwards?
It sounds like he had a DM, who was done with his shit and kicked his ass everytime he tried anything but he kept at it anyway for the LOLs.
@@dracosfire7247 Hey, I think looking for the strongest of swords is a noble and powerful motivator for a DnD campaign.
... what do you mean "that's the wrong Gilgamesh"?
You're not wrong
Don Quixote was the Florida Man of his time.
yesssss all florida men are his long lost decendents
So that's why I like him.
I'm the guy w the invisible car. Bc f* it, YOLO
More like the joker
And original chuunibyu, who lost himself to heroic fantasy fiction.
Here's what I would love: a Don Quixote movie where Don Quixote talks to the audience but the rest of the characters just think he's crazy. Like Don Quixote would be in the middle of a monologue and then the camera would switch to another character watching him and wondering who he's talking to
So it's a literature version of the Office?
Or Fred lol 😂
Deadpool ?
Scene: Quixote is talking to the camera about his lady love and how he will prove himself to her.
Cut to the perspective of his companions looking at him talking to a cactus
@@exceedcharge1 you made it better
k, so im spanish and majoring in both spanish lit and english lit, and this semester i had a subject that was cervantes. thats it, 6 months studying the one guy. and lemme tell you, he was GENIUS. and out of my deep admiration for the guy, allow me to explain some things:
hes not actually as racist nor classist as you might think, he is rather commenting on the society he lived in. he was probably of jew descent and made fun of ppl who pride themselves in their "pure blood" o "cristianos viejos" as they were called. in part two of DQ, he has a moor character commenting on the expulsion of the moors and showcases how much of a tragedy the expulsion was for these ppl, even though he portrays it a bit as the character being "of the good ones" to make it more palatable for its censors. he also shows sancho as incredibly smart in his own right, even if he is illiterate and gullible at times. he also makes fun of nobles in the second part. A LOT. he actually shows sancho as much better suited for leadership and power positions than most nobles.
ALSO he really was ahead of its time regarding women, and this grew more and more during his life. he lived with two of his sisters, his daughter, his wife and his niece, surrounded by women by himself, and i think this made him see women as real people.
he had overall a very sad life and was never able to find his place in literary circles, he was blacklisted by authors more popular than he was. but he didnt publish the sequel out of spite, you can actually see in the second book when he found out about the seque,l bc he ingeniously introduces it in the fictional world, and DQ and sancho find out about this fake book written about them, and they even meet a character out of the book, which concedes that the quixote he meet must have been a fake. he also introduces the success of the first book in the second one, and characters recognize dq and sancho from the first book. its all very meta and cool. anyways i admire cervantes so fucking much and he was mostly a very noble, legendarily creative person. thats why he constantly introduces stories in the main narrative, bc he was so prolific and wrote so much he tried to place his stories wherever he could. he wrote "thank me not for what i have written, rather thank me for what i have not" bc he saw his creative flow as unstoppable and he found it very hard to keep himself from writing on and on (kinda how im doing now, lol)
also the short novels stop in the second book, or rather, they are woven into the story and dont feel as much as a distraction, bc he received criticism for this and tried to better his writing.
im gonna shut up now
k sorry
bye
Por fin. Es insoportable ver a yanquis no entender don quijote, ni les importa estudiar la cultura
@@LynnHermione Los gringos son así, o al menos la mayoría que e conocido
@@LynnHermione fuaaa la re vivis scooby
The first part is enjoyable, but definitely the second part is the GOOD part.
I get Mel Brooks vibes and Monty Python.
I swear, this is all just Monty Python ahead of their time.
BlackEpyon um, you seen The Man Who Killed Don Quixote? Cause that’s closer to reality than you might think
@@Kroododile553 that movie is amazing. A lot of people dislike it because it's not how they expect to see the story. It's true to the original work but still original and artistic
Darrei Deamos Very, very artsy.
Bit of an acquired taste.
Pretty ironic it was a Spanish author
NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!
I love how invested Red got in the love subplot.
"Hooray! Happy ending! ...oh wait, the book isn't about these people."
That was beginning to look like a reoccurring theme with the book.
i want a movie that just focuses on that plot its so good
I know right? That sub plot was amazing, it had everything, and instead the story is about an insane man who attacks windmills. I JUST CANT EVEN!
Chad Busch it would be kind of like a medieval pirates of the Caribbean, where Quixote would be Jack Sparrow 😂
I love the whole book
My favorite description of Don Quixote was from myths reimagined: "Don Quixote eats sanity and shits violence."
BTW, between this and Journey to the West, this channel has done more to convince me I need to read some of the classics more than any college course ever did.
Oh absolutely. Something I love about history is people are basically the same. You think we have a sense of humor now? Just look at the old shit XD
Yessir, also convinced me to try ap literature and 1984
Yes!
I read beowolf last year cuz I was so fascinated by red's video about it!
Really cool book!
Im not a literature person, takes too long, hurts my eyes, I just dont casually read fiction. Ill read, and write, technical manuals at the drop of a hat, but pleasure reading (even though I do read technical literature for fun, yes im a nerd) just isnt my bag. So videos like Reds allow me to experience a condensed 'sparknotes' version, and particularly for Red, in an entirely entertaining way. Ive put these videos on so much I can damn near quote them line for line.....and still come back to them. For us non-booky types they are simply amazing and very much appreciated! And them inspiring more booky types to read some of the classics is just icing on the cake and a gold seal of awesome content!
@@AsdfAsdf-mi6ks Sometimes it's such an unexpected thing lol. You hear about these old stories that people have held dear for ages so you expect them to be these extremely serious stories, and you get shocked by the humor it has. It's always so pleasant to know that we've always been the same. We've always been telling jokes and writing them down
Original Don Quixote: Literature includes too much fantasy, we need more reality.
Don Quixote Adaptations: Literature includes too much reality, we need more fantasy.
Imo, the book isn’t so clear about which is superior. It certainly highlights the negatives of both being too realistic and too fantastical, but there are identifiable positives of both. Sancho is a better man for becoming more fantastical while idk if don quixote is a better man by the end for being more realistic.
I think most people don't realise how much Spanish literature has changed after Don Quixote.
From being almost ideallistic, portraying the world as it should be instead of how actually is, there has been an increasing tendency in Spaniard literature to do more and more realistic stories like Lazarillo de Tormes, and specially since the late 19th Century, becoming incredibly depressing, being almost a big chunk of them about how any rebellion against the system is useless because the individual always end up being crushed, and life only can get progressively worse, like Lorca's La casa de Bernarda Alba, Pio Baroja's El arbol de la cienca, Valle Inclán's Luces de Bohemia and Unamuno's Nada. None of them have a happy ending or show a hopeful protrayal of society in particular and humanity in general. Things kinda improved after the Spanish Civil War, but when people talk about Spanish literature since Don Quixote It appears that barely any fantasy literature exists, with a few exceptions like Becquer's Legends, and if it does it has been ignored. It says a lot when most of magic realism literature, the most acceptable kind of fantasy to lit fiction circles, mostly comes from Latin America and not Spain.
Also now that I think about it everytime Alan Moore bitches and whines about how influential Watchmen was (like dude seriously you really believed a deconstruction of superheroes as severe as yours wouldn't be a turning point for the genre?) doesn't hold a candle to how influential for the worst Don Quixote has been. It's almost like authors took it too seriously and decided to remove all creativity and imagination, and the only thing left was a morbid saddism that puts to shame the entirity of Lars von Trier's filmography.
Show no that It seems like fantasy has been erased from Spanish literature I think it's pretty natural to have a reaction in which there's a backlash against the work's original thesis and say that no, literature need fantasy, because fantasy represents hope, something that has been missing in Spanish literature for a long time.
I think it's a phenomenon similar to Victor Hugo's Notre Dame de Paris, a story about how individuals matter less than patrimony, to then become a story about why injustice shouldn't be tolerated, even if a cathedral would last longer than the people suffering the injustice.
Good.
Modern adaptions trolling last authors
@@guillermodebaskerville7117 great read thank you. As a hispanic person who never read spanish literature beyond assigned readings and pablo neruda, thank you
Imagine publishing a second part of your book out of pure spite
r/madlads
sounds like something I would do
It wasn’t though- he always planned it, but somebody beat him to it and Cervantes edited his 2nd part to clarify that that guy was a freeloader.
@@jlupus8804 hush.
@@jlupus8804 to make your hatred for another's appropiation of your intellectual culture an actual, notable part of the story? There's so much spite there.
"I got severely beaten because you tried to free me!"
"You shall be avenged!"
"I feel like you're not listening."
That piece of dialogue is (basically) in Man of La Mancha
"this is why he hates women and was therefore yelling insults at his goat" I'm not sure why but this is the funniest sentence I've ever heard and I actually keep goats which for some reason makes it even better idk why
I am not sure because this was writen 400 years ago and language is fluid, but I think it's a joke because "goat" is a words that was used in spanish to mean "young girl"? I might be mistaken tho
@@rankushrenada could be idk, just found the scenario funny the way red said it
@@rankushrenada Language is fluid but the Spanish language to my knowledge has changed less in the last 400 years than almost any other language. That's why it translates so well and feels like a modern novel when you read it.
OH MY GOD. THEY WERE LITERALLY ARGUING ABOUT SHIPS. *ARGUING ABOUT SHIPS!!!!!!!!*
Cervantes really was ahead of his time.
@@optillian4182 bruh Plato's contemporaries were already doing that with Achilles and Patroclus. Some were arguing that it's platonic and some say it's romantic, and then among the shippers they have the top/bottom discourse
@@srehh5529 oh okay
Shipping is a total bottom thing to do
@@srehh5529 And then in our day and age we got Song of Achilles, basically a yaoi fanfic that managed to get published.
This sounds like every DnD player character ever.
*"Local murder hobo still at large after another assault, manhunt organised by authorities. Public warned to 'stay away from dangerous menace' last seen riding north, shouting about 'making them wizards pay'."*
So true xD
@@Heothbremel Also, occasionally ranting about making the kingdom great again.
@@Babbleplay Ah, yes, inserting irrelevant politics into literally everything. Gtfo.
@@andyknightwarden9746 You aren’t the comedy police, so please stop trying to censor others.
Edit : removed an unneeded snark line; not trying to antagonize, but, not going to let anyone play thought police on my comments. There were WAY lower blows I could have taken, and that one was tame.
@@Babbleplay And you ought to know that incindiery potshots like that are exactly the kind of thing that characterized the leader of that movement. You want to be like him?
Gotta love how Don Quixote's madness inadverdently causes other characters to have a happy ending. Also the other stuff is hilarious as hell.
ah yes the actual Don Quixote, not the little gremlin with a lance of the same name
What do you mean? They're the same person!
Is that a Limbus company reference??
If so, based
TO REACH THE UNREACHABLE STAR
@@NickKnackisB4ck Projectmoon making literary references that in turn ends up being a reference to their own games is hilarious lmao
@@cheese50 yep, including but not limited to:
The little German boy who went into the weed cave
Papa Roach
And of course:
The most trustworthy person you could meet
Don Quixote: My job here is done!
Andres: But you didn't do anything!
[cue Don Quixote exitting dramatically]
Only to trip and land in a cactus
Ey is that a meme referrence?
"Tuxedo Mask as Don Quixote" was the reinterpretation of Sailor Moon I didn't know I needed.
The whole four-person love subplot just makes me think that Cervantes had an idea for a completely different novel but instead got lazy and stuffed it randomly in his satire novel as a two for the price of one deal.
Buy now and get a free windmill!
That happened to L Frank Baum. One (maybe more) standalone book he was writing, he ran out of ideas for and just published it as an Oz novelette instead.
That may be true, but it still fits very well here. The point is that the side plot is much more interesting and complex, while Quixote's scenes are foolish and silly. Reality is more interesting than fiction.
@@ninjabluefyre3815 Are you talking about Magical Monarch of Mo or Queen Zizi of Ix? Also, I'm surprised when people talk about how much serialization has affected children's literature, more people don't recall that Baum published fourteen novels about Oz, the same amount of novels that took Jordan and Sanderson to write The Wheel of Time, and that it was continued after his death.
It’s part of the satire I think. Don Quixote is surrounded by these amazing and intriguing stories but he’s so wrapped up in his own chivalric fantasies that he’s blind to them all.
@@oryanstudios2252 I find that kind've funny when the story is still a fantastical work of fiction.
What’s really funny is that people started writing fanfics that missed the point of this book DURING Cervantes’ lifetime, so he wrote a sequel that ends with Don Quixote coming to his senses on his deathbed and telling everyone that he was crazy and shouldn’t have been taken seriously.
I’m legit surprised they never did a Don Quixote looney tunes short with Daffy Duck and Porky Pig as Don and Sancho. They map so well onto those characters!
Now I desperately need to see a Merry Melodies short about exactly this.
Not specifically but there were parallels with certain characters, i.e Daffy and Porky.
I think veggie tales did 🤔, I don’t know it’s been years I just remember a crazy guy trying to kill a windmill
@@joshuaholland5279veggie takes was wierd as hell. They did whole Lord of the rings and indiana jones parodies
@@GrosvnerMcaffrey yeah those were weird
I like how the happy ending to that tragic love story is happening in the inn while don quixote is fighting wine barrels upstairs.
"And after all the commotion, everybody realised they haven't seen don Quixote in a while.
And everybody murmured: "Oh shit!"
Cervantes was WAY ahead of his time. My professor described Don Quixote as "a post-modern novel written before modernism".
You mean I just wasted my money buying post-modern trash without realizing it?
Preston Jones okay lobster man
Your professor sounds awesome
@@aldernate8606 *proceeds to snap fingers in the air wile making pincer noices*
Pre-modern postmodernism. Neat.
Watching this to prepare myself for the next Limbus Company Chapter
same
Same
LIMBUS COMPANY!!!
Goat herder story in a nutshell. “Why are you here?” “I’m an incel” “No, we’re incels”
*soviet anthem intensifies
Haha I was thinking the same thing... I was like, I didn't even know incels existed back then...
When your LARP get's out of control.
and then it becomes FLARP
Pretty much.
more like when drugs get involved in your LARP
OH MY GOG
Said that when I finally saw Labyrinth.
Quixote’s Bizarre Adventure
When you’re stuck in a cage and can’t move.
“This must be the work of an enemy stand!”
That windmill became a giant? This must be the work of an enemy stand!!
"DON QUIXOTE!""
"tsk..tsk..tsk...
YES I AM!"
Oh, man, how is that posible, that me being spanish, had this book drilled into my brain during scholarship, being a JoJo fan and NOT REALIZING UNTIL NOW THAT THIS MIX WOULD BE BOTH HILARIOUS AND FREAKING PERFECT?! You have made my day and probably the whole week, mate.
Ricardo De Marco You thought I was just a masked stranger, BUT IT WAS ME, DON FERNANDO!
Back in like middle school, we had to read an extract from this book, specifically the windmills part, and we didn't have any context of the rest of the book except for a short summary. Remembering the absolutely serious tone of the extract the teacher tried to sell us back then while knowing THIS now, make the whole thing hilarious and like a fever dream.
I learned of Don Quixote from a video game achievement. To get the achievement you had to attack an enemy way over your level, and the returning counter-attack had to take off more than half your hp but not kill you.
What game, what’s the achievement called
What game is it from?
@@pandoratheclay Took a while, but it's "Tactics Ogre: The Knight of Lodis".
If you attack someone and the counterattack damage deals 2/3 of your max health.
@@idontknoq4813 Took a while, but it's "Tactics Ogre: The Knight of Lodis".
If you attack someone and the counterattack damage deals 2/3 of your max health.
I guess fanboys being stupid is a timeless concept.
Agreed
I got an idea, what if Don Quixote, but he is a fujoshi? Who cannot help but ship every single person he meets.
Haters too.
@@ringkunmori Then he'd be even worse.
deadass
“Don Quixote’s niece, housekeeper, barber, and priest.”
Quiet a busy woman.
Eh... those are individual characters Red was talking about.
@@carloscabello4392 R/woooooosh
@@carloscabello4392 r/woooosh
@@carloscabello4392 Yeah, but it's still funny. :P
Preparing myself for Canto 7 of Limbus Company by watching this
“Sancho’s angry that all of his subjects will be black.”
... okay?
“But he quickly brightens up at the thought that he’ll be able to sell them.”
OKAY!
The moment the reader realises this was written at a time when slavery was legal
Mr. Cup Came back specifically to listen to that.
@@JoDoSa Not the moment Quixote freed galley slaves?
@@schwarzerritter5724 not freed more
"Under new management"
@@psychronic8327 good reference
17:39 "Sancho is internally displeased because ... all his subjects will be black"
okay.
"But he brightens up significantly when he can always just sell them"
OKAY!
please a king,
rule an island,
get some Ethiopian subjects,
sell 'em,
profit.
Ah I totally forgot about that, f*ck you Sancho! :/
As bad as Quijote Is Sancho is immediately worse for that thought
Mhm...
that escalated SO fast.
Capitalism yay :)
Manager Esquire!!!!! To where in the world hast thou disappeared!!!!!!!!!!!
dante:⏰⏰⏰
Aight Canto 7 is coming lets just watch this summary
the dream ending😢
Now I want to see a modern adaptation of Don Quixote where the main character is obsessed with RPGs. It would excuse the substories too, because those would be sidequests.
I've thought similarly about them being a Homestuck-fanfic fan. IMO, HS fanfics are a particularly good choice because the mechanics of the setting require (by default) a certain string of events *per-character* so it can all get a bit formulaic.
OTOH many of the Homestuck mechanics are CRPG mechanics so our ideas have plenty of overlap.
Chili Cierny this is kinda a big thing already. The isekai genre and its following deconstructions are sort of that.
Although a comedy about a guy who thinks he’s been transported into a fantasy world could be hilarious.
@@frankwest5388 That latter is exactly what I was thinking. Someone stays up late playing like Final Fantasy or something, and the next day he's convinced he's some kind of legendary hero, and he rounds up his next door neighbors and goes on a quest to find some magical sword and slay the "monsters" in their peaceful suburban neighborhood.
Chili Cierny until then I guess the closest thing you’ll get to that us the South Park stick of truth game.
The plot is that the kids imagine that they are powerful warriors fighting for a legendary artifact, all while beating each other with whatever junk just lies around up.
@@frankwest5388 buck wild. Sounds like 10 year old me playing with my younger siblings lol
Out of curiosity, I decided to look up what "galley slave" meant. It's a person who's been condemned to man the oars on a galley. Why a bunch of them were traveling across land I don't know, but that's not important right now.
The reason I looked this up was because I suspected that Cervantes put that particular episode in this novel as an example of Don Quixote being a public menace. As opposed to the noble hero a modern audience member would think of when they hear of someone "freeing slaves".
And I was right. Turns out aside from prisoners of war like that Moor mentioned in the book, a number of galley slaves were convicted criminals. Murders, rapists, thieves, that sort of stuff.
The modern equivalent would be Don Quixote breaking into a prison to let some criminals loose.
So no, Don Quixote freeing galley slaves isn't a noble & virtuous deed, as some might assume. Especially when he has no idea what they did to get there.
It is very possible that Cervantes made the scene for both commentaries, that he though the punishment was too inhumane AND that Quixote was a public menace. Cervantes was a very complex and amazing author, a lot of Spanish consider him (unnecessarily) either equal or above Shakespeare.
Cervantes was also enslaved in a galley at one point, so there's that.
@@Jake007123 Cervantes: I am superioor to you... You may not even hsve talent and can only di 1 plot
Shakespeare: What, you egg [stabs him]
In my native language, Greek, the word "galley slaves" as used in its medieval context has become a synonym for "bandit" or "rascal".
But the prisoners Don Quixote frees aren't really that dangerous. One of them just stole a basket full of clothes, another was tortured to confess a crime and one of them is a writer. So yeah, as another comment said, it would appear Cervantes is doing both things: showing him as a criminal but also crtiticising the justice system through the madness of Don Quixote, who thinks the men don't deserve to be in prison
GALLOP ON ROCINANTE, THE DREAM IS ENDING WITH THIS ONE
Project moon fan discovered
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this makes limbus company's don quixote make SIGNIFICANTLY more sense
Now I'm going to think of this whenever someone says they were "born in the wrong generation".
Ah man, fuck people who say that. It's the worst.
I was born in the wrong generation. I should have been born in the jurassic era so I could witness the fall of the dinosaur and prove to my parents I can be a pteradactyl.
@@endofpixel3712 Except this guy, this guy I respect.
I was born in the wrong generation, i wish i got to live in the 1400s, dress up as a bird, shout at sick people, be rich, pretend to be a doctor, that´s the life.
@@theweakestbrazilianmale3398
Also this person. They go it.
Another Spaniard here. We all have to read this book in High School (both parts. Nowadays both are read as one whole package), pretty much like you guys in English speaking countries have to study Shakespeare. And looks like Red isn't exactly a fan... Geez, you don't want to know what teachers would have called you if you had said the same to a Spanish literature class... Considering the book anything less than a flawless master piece is considered an academic heresy of the highest caliber in Spain! Anyway, here's an explanation for why Cervantes created this book:
Turns out, Cervantes was a soldier for a time. He fought in the Battle of Lepanto in 1571 against the Ottoman Empire, which was one of the biggest naval battles of the 16th Century (yes, the Reconquista was finished, but the fight against the Moors was still going on, just not on the Iberian Peninsula). However, Cervantes lost the mobility of his left arm during that battle (he was famously nicknamed "El Manco de Lepanto", or "the one-arm man of Lepanto") and even spent some time in prison. So obviously, he didn't quite have the idealistic worldview required to enjoy chilvary books, and he actively despised them.
He created Don Quijote to mercilessly mock this genre. However, the book became more popular than he ever imagined... or wanted. He wanted to be a successful play writer, which is where the money and fame were at the time, and he was only mildly successful in that front. He was always overshadowed by other play writers of his time, specially Lope de Vega (another writer we have to study in school in Spain, BTW).
But Cervantes didn't just write the second part out of spite for fanfics. He also listened to his critics (who didn't exactly love the book at first) and decided to take a more philosophical and less cynical approach. Don Quijote becomes a much better character in the sequel, since he becomes way more reflective and down to earth, and more prone to pretty eloquent speeches... when he's not fantasizing, that is, which creates a very interesting, if shocking contrast, which is even acknowledged in-universe. The Don Quijote from Part 2 is where the more Romantic interpretations come from.
Although there is one interpretation that is considered one of the central aspects of both books, not mentioned in the video: namely the contrast between Quijote and Sancho. The thing is, Sancho is not that dumb at all. He's a quite perceptive guy, he's just illiterate (outside of believing Don Quijote's promise that he would make him the governor of an island some day). And whenever Don Quijote enters into one of his more "out there" moments, Sancho always presents a more rational counter point. Heck, if you go to the TV Tropes page for the "Foil" trope, the image page are Don Quijote and Sancho.
Hetahetalia Remember we're in an English speaking forum. lol For those who don't know "Sálvame" is an infamous variety/gossip TV show in Spain which is crazy popular, but infamous for being utter trash. Kind of a rough equivalent to TMZ in the US.
And yes, Cervantes and Lope de Vega's rivalry is one of the most popular ones in Spanish history. And yes, deep down they respected each other. After all, Lope's most popular nickname, "The Phoenix of Wits" ("El fénix de los ingenios"), was coined by Cervantes himself.
By the way, I recommend looking up Lope's own biography. That guy had a crazy life like you wouldn't believe!
Saludos de una estudiante inglesa de español 🖑 interesante de oír... pues *leer* otro punto de vista
@@somebodycooliguess1597 Minor correction: instead of «pues» you should use «bueno,» to express a change.
Sorry, my inner grammar nazi couldn't resist. XD
Somebody pin this
*+XanderVJ* Thank you!
This story reminds me of “The Tale of Lancelot” from Monty Python and the Holy Grail
5:06 There's a theory that the windmill kerfuffle is so iconic because it's the last memorable scene half the readers actually read before tiring of the paragraph-long sentences filled with archaic vocabulary and giving up.
"...and decides he wants to go mad with tragic love too!"
(Don Quixote proceeds to have fun making up a scenario where he goes totally insane)
Livin' the dream, I guess.
The IMPOSSIBLE dream!
Those female characters! I mean, they are more developed and interesting than modern stories that TRY to put a female character in the spotlight! They all seem...cool, and instead of coming off as ranting, frothing women, they are women who happen to be beautiful and want to be taken seriously and as real people who have hopes and feelings and thoughts. So much today relies on some variation of the chivalry trope or trying too hard to subvert it, while this...sounds impressive!
I totally agree!
You wouldn't be talking about Revvy from Black Lagoon would you?
It’s a misguided art, that’s for sure. Hopefully one day the writers start making it less political but 2019 isn’t looking too hot
PhazonOmega too bad the lens of the narratively this book was hella racist... but they definitely did good on dealing with issues that women have to face...
@@emblemblade9245 In a couple of years the whole bullshit with people being way too sensitive about every single thing will blow over again. Either that or it's gonna be the new standard.
"Limbus company!"
LEEEMBUUS COOMPANII
*LITTLESIRSQUIREEEL*
lol!
Basically its Don Quixote DECIDING what something is so he can attack it.
He is kinda the one who moves the plot forward.
"I reject your reality and substitute my own"
To be honest he is like that one guy who is obsessed with DnD so much that he took LARPing too seriously
@nyetloki
“Nice! Dungeonmaster!”
Marcella really just showed up to the funeral and be like
*"Aight bitches, let me write the Friendzone real quick"*
The ultimate powermove
Cervantes predicted the nice guys and the incels before it was cool
Still kinda fucked that she showed up at the guys funeral, though. I know he was a bit of a dickhead but.. still
@@voxlknight2155 I'm going to rank it as meaningfully less fucked up that he had someone read his angry hate-poetry about her at the funeral which she wasn't supposed to be attending, frankly.
@@kiraina25 Yeah, fuck him, but still.
Holy shoot Limbus Don is far more accurate than I thought.
Project moon mentioned
LIMBUS COMPANYYYYYY
BEACH BOLLYBUR
LIMBUSS COMPANY!!
Sheep. The natural enemy of the knight
And pottery as well.
Dam you water sheep
@@raspberrycrowns9494 Water sheep did nothing wrong.
Those weren't sheep they were knights.
I thought it was rabbits
This is the equivalent of being more interested in side-quests than the main quest, hot damn.
Actually, this is the equivalent of side quests themselves being more interesting than the main quest that the entire game is built around.
Kinda like Ubisoft games or Skyrim.
So, basically, in all my skyrim play-throughs, I’m Don Quixote.
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I can’t help but get reminded of that scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail where Lancelot (I think it was) goes plowing through that castle and randomly killing the guards at the wedding
Nick The Undying Pretty y much the first half of the book
fernanda romero-valdespino HUZZAH! *shank*
This is probably the most likes I’ve gotten for a comment within one hour
That's basically it, with slightly less death
That explains a lot about Terry Gilliam and his Don Quixote movie.
Yep, that was Lancelot!
Holy hell, Don Quixote is progressive.
'Slut'-shaming, 1984 style government censorship, friendzone-busting...
This book was AHEAD of it's time. o-o
Is the burning books stuff supposed to be commentary on the practice, or is it presented as just a fact of (at the time) life?
@@CDexie It's pretty clear that the author supports the book burning and the idea of a government ban. Remember, this whole thing is an exercise in "chivalry books are stupid and are ruining society" so while there are elements we recognize as progressive today, and it's actually a pretty funny book, it's still pretty firmly in "old man yells at popular fad" territory as far as the major theme goes.
@@EEEwart
Damn subversion books, someone should have a talk with that Cervantes boy!
Still racist
Actually, in Spain we learn that Cervantes was heavily critical of the Church (alongside many other institutions of his time), to the point that one of the phrases of the book, "Con la Iglesia nos hemos topado, amigo Sancho", which translates as "We have stumbled upon the Church, my friend Sancho", becoming a popular aphorism (usually not adding the "mi amigo Sancho" to shorten it) to indicate that the Church is being difficult again and blocking the dialog. There's literally people in Spain using that phrase and never had read the book. I think depicting the priest as someone wanting to burn books and make the government control what people can and cannot read was Cervantes' own critique of such practice.
Also, women in Spain tended to be regarded as fierce, independent and sometimes even intelligent (but there was still good old misogynistic views, after all, it was a Catholic country), specially noble women. We didn't have a queen in Castilla for nothing. In the region were I lived (Galicia, north-west of Spain), traditionally the women run the household and do the maths required for the money management while the men work their ass off (not that women didn't work anyway, just generally less), and tended to be if not publicly, privately respected. The idea of matriarch family is a half-joke around my region of birth.
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Ah, yes, Don Quixote:
50% clever critique of the contemporanian society and greatly advanced ideas in the form of satire.
50% random subplot to make the book look bigger and more important... just like the books he was trying to mock!
Damn. We love good irony.
The filler is stratospheric
The fillers unironically makes it funnier
there's nothing random in El Quijote, NOTHING, you're just another fool fooled by Cervantes, the master troll, cheater genius of literature and fiction, because with his fictional madness and all, he was just telling the truth of what is life. You can talk about it scientifically, philosophically or in this case, through playing with the innocence of readers.
In the end nobody, NOBODY, made us think more from literature than Cervantes. That's why everybody copied him, from Shakespeare to Dostoievsky and Chesterton and García Márquez
wow, I found the subplots to be very luring, to be honest. It's a lot of smaller stories embedded into the main story, which makes the book thick as a bible, but also very interesting (and impossible to finish reading)
Cross-dressing, women who stick up for their right to not fork over their love and attention for men just because they're nice to them, and fandom ship-wars?
You could've told me this book was written in 2017 or something and I would believe you.
Until the racism comes into play that is.
@@thelegendarymage9454 ok true
@@thelegendarymage9454 well it could be argued that, since it was set at the time it was, that the character and not author was racist. Probably not true because it /wasn’t/ written in 2017, but books can have racist characters without being racist, especially if it’s set in the past
@@jamiel6005 given that the Cervantes does so much debunking of sexist tropes though we might expect him to spend some time debunking racist ideas as well, but he doesn't really. And given that in Spain there was actually a pretty significant scholarly/theological debate around the time Cervantes was born over whether it was ok to enslave people even if they're not Christian (the Valladolid debate, which I believe was sponsored by the Spanish crown) I don't think we can just totally handwave his not challenging racist tropes as just "well nobody really thought about it that way at the time."
@@thelegendarymage9454 Have you looked at the USA recently?
you suffer hours of studying, reading, drawing and editing (to name off the top of my head) for us, and for that...we thank you.
the hero we want but don't deserve.
Suffering? All of these are fun.
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i feel like my mic picked up on me screaming about Don Quixote Limbus Company one too many times and saw me watching one too many Trope Talks and lead me here as a result
Don Quixote basically ends with Quixano getting deathly ill, having a dream that restores his sanity and apologises to Sancho for all the crap he put him through.
Quixano also writes a will that dictates that if his niece's spouse reads any books about chivalry, she gets jack squat from his estate.
This sounds like a Monty Python film.
And one of Monty Python members made a movie about Don Quixote.
@@raccoonjs6437 Which it's quite good.
@@guillermodebaskerville7117 I want to see it.
This story reminds me of Skyrim when I become so involved in side quests that I totally forget the main plot.
Quixotic: exceedingly idealistic; unrealistic and impractical.
Comes from the name Don Quixote. Neat, huh?
"This feels like something Terry Pratchett would write..." Valid! A man is not dead while his name is still spoken.
GNU Terry Pratchett
GNU PTerry indeed
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GNU Terry Pratchett
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Who is this Terry guy?
The most intense roleplay EVER
Some really hardcore larp.
the fact that Marcella's part has "take a hint" as its background music is so fitting
I be watching this for limbus company character
same
His portrayal of women raises the question, "Did Cervantes really feel that way or did he just write them like that since his purpose was to subvert the tropes of his time?"
I don't think it's unlikely, sexism in the capacity we know today hasn't always existed and also he might have gotten some Muslim influences from the then still very much influential Cordobian culture. Especially if he never took much influence from Aristotle he could have been quite well balanced. I think his work speaks for itself though.
I dont think he would be able to even subvert the tropes, let alone so masterfully, if he didnt think in such a way about said group. If he didn't think those ladies were as capable as they turned out in the book, how could he even subvert the tropes?
He probably felt that way in some capacity, but was open minded enough to figure it out.
Well Spanish women (the nobility in particular) had much more autonomy than their counterparts in the rest of Europe at the time with the possible exception of the Italian city states- maybe because men at the time were expected to fight the Moors and complete the Reconquista so the women were oftentimes running things back home to a large extent and that dynamic just bled over into societal attitudes towards them as a whole but that's just my theory
"Don Quixote" may be his most popular work, specially internationally, but Cervantes wrote tons of short novels and plays in his lifetime, and he always depicted women in this manner. So... you do the math.
To be fair, the "dreamer vs reality" Quixote is pretty much derived from the second part of the book. When studying it in school in Spain we were taught about the more lunatic/dangerous/should-face-reality Quixote in part 1 as opposed to the disenchanted hero who somehow redeems himself (by accepting the harsh reality and eventually dying) in part 2, his once noble ideals now shattered as he understood his own madness i.e. the reason why part 1 is actually pretty funny but part 2 is kinda... desolate. The problem with modern depictions of Alonso (tre protag) seem to come from trying to apply characterization and themes from part 2 (written much later, Cervantes had changed and so did his characters after years on the road) to situations from part 1 (which are comical and satirical).
(Again, this is what I was taught in High School, I didn't read the whole book, just parts and abridged versions but this was basically it)
Not really. The two perspective directions have more to do with readers than author intent. See Don Quixote: Hero or Fool? by John J Allen or The Romantic Approach to 'Don Quixote' by Anthony Close. Whereas madness was looked upon as comic, even burlesque, throughout the Golden Age and the Neoclassic periods, the Romantics took another view. To the Romantics, Don Quixote was not a fool to be laughed at but, rather, a hero misunderstood by society. Since Romanticism, our perspectives have gotten more and more complex. I think the value of this video is the reader response.
@@ginesdepasamonte This brings up an interesting point. While I am far from a history or literature buff myself. I have always seen Don Quixote as both a satire of the chivalrous stories of the time, as well as a (perhaps coincidental) critique on the actual people that they were meant to romanticize.
While it may have been intended to be an ironic representation of the readers twisted view of the knights and noble heroes. It may have shown an unironically accurate depiction of how those very people actually behaved from from a seat of power. One where there was no best friend on a donkey to reign (hehe... get it?) them in.
They were often not good people, no amount of romance can spare that fact. Who wouldn't attack a windmill to kill a giant? Destruction of basic infrastructure to weaken a rival is still a common tactic to this day!
They predicted Don Quixote from Limbus Company 🤯
nah this is a classic project moon reference
"take a hint" was literally the ideal song for that part i'm crying lmao
More like Damn Quixote.
Edit: Now that I actually watched the video, I gotta say *DAMN QUIXOTE*
Because *CHIVALRY!*
DAMMIT QUIXOTE!
FOILED AGAIN!
damn quixote, back at it again with attacking random processions
You should *definitely* include part II. Don Quixote's character and his relationship with the other characters changes significantly in part II.
Also I think the roles of Sancho and Quixote get radically inverted.
Hopefully a high-tier patron decides to request Part 2...
Hell analyzing it via the lens of modern Copyright law would be interesting since he derails his story just to dunk on an unauthorized sequel he didn't like, and may not have finished it if it didn't exist
I really hope to see a part 2 since I liked reading it way more than the first part!
My favourite part of the second book was when a bag of cats fell on Don Quixote's head.
I love that the author decries chivalry as being silly and pointless compared to how cool real life is, but paradoxically, all the characters meant to serve as the people to point at and go "Look, real life stuff! Isn't it cool?" also start unrealistically telling their entire life's story and have tales of high drama in their lives that don't actually happen that often in reality.
Nah 17th Century Spain was just wild like that
I mean the craziest story tol in the book that is supposed to be real is of the Moore Maria who wants to be christian and her love, the Captive. And half of his story actually happened to the author in real life. The Canon priest that was mentioned briefly also says that fiction has a place in the world. But it should be rooted in reality and at least somewhat accurate, which said story is.
@Daniel S me when I am woman who doesn't like a guy who tries to force himself on me but then her proposes so I'm cool with it but then he finds an even hotter woman to marry who had a guy who liked her who saw them get married and ran away and then after I run away I meet guy who ran away and team up with him and some random people I just met to wrangle the mountain schizo.
Actually,
“El caballero de la triste figura” is refering to how scrawny Quijote is. Castilla la Mancha has never been called a place of economical wealth. My family is from there and happiness and sadness are sometimes referring of fat( as happy) and skinny(as sad). It's comical how of all characters who you could have written born in Castilla to be the protagonist you choose the one who is wealthy enough to know how to read and write, yet never with a full stomach
Also, in that sense, "The knight of the sad sack" is a much better translation.
Fun fact: the reasoning behind the name "rocinante" is that his horse may have been a wonderful steed(rocín) in the past(therefore ante, which means something similar to before) but now isn't
Or Ante also means the rear end right? So could it be just that he is riding some wonderful ass?
@@iwanabana brazo means arm and antebrazo means forearm
@@iwanabana also no
"Quijote" might also be a play on words. It is a word similar to Quijano, and quijote is the spanish word for the cuisse aka the thigh
fun fact! The Horse wasn't even a rocin. It was a famished "jamelgo"
But Alonso imagines it as a rocin.
Back then “ALL FICTION CAUSES VIOLENCE!”
Now “ANYTHING TO DO WITH VIDEO GAMES CAUSES VIOLENCE”
Cervantes would totally write Don Quixote as a basement dwelling loser who sends all his time in a knight based VR game.
@@nyetloki I wonder how Quixote would react when he hears about Skyrim
@@rezandrarizkyirianto-1933
Don :Oh that special type of magical disc that let you experience the life of your other self from different reality
Time is a flat fucking circle isn't it?
@@controlequebrado4455 Just like the earth.
Ah yes
Limbus Company
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This would make a hilarious western adaptation. A dude in a more modern (But not present day) western setting thinks he's a spaghetti western protagonist, keeps riding into towns and generally messing everything up for everybody involved.
RaHuHe imagine, he is obsessed with western movies and goes to the set. It also works in Spain, since most of them where filmed there and you can even visit the sets to this day
That would be much darker adaption. Western films often have a kill or be killed attitude, which may not work well for a "Quixote" guy to emulate with a gun among civilians. In fact, an attempted school shooter has admitted westerns were an influence on him
I actually think that would a good modern interpretation of Don Quixote.
I would love to see such an adaptation as a deconstruction of the frontier myth XD
he can be the only guy who doesn't know his gun is loaded with blanks.
"A wizard stopped by and stole the entire room"
Lol🧙♂️
Soooo... We now have an actual fotnote for "a wizard did it"
*Wizard:* hippity hoppity, your books are now my property 🧙♂️
some payday shit right there
The CBT wizard's at it again
@@YataTheFifteenth "Guys, the Library, go get it!"
"What do you think Leon? Can people change?"
"You were a brave knight Don Quixote."
I think modern retellings are just taking a spin that sometimes a flawed man can strive to be better through his ideals.
He may not always be right, but he is trying to do what he thinks is right.
I think people now day have lack of what have too much don Quixote.
T'is... T'is epic...
I never knew you had a book~
I noticed that commenters keep on saying that Cervantes was ahead of his time with a bunch of tropes and literary structures--like breaking the 4th wall--in Don Quixote. Well, he wasn't ahead of his time--he INVENTED these literary structures and tropes. This is why Don Quixote is such an important novel--it influenced and inspired a huge number of writers, especially novelists, after it was published in the early 1600s. And these subsequent authors were so taken by this work that they copied things like breaking the 4th wall, or having strong, opinionated female characters, in their own books.
Luboman411 I think that's it, as it's a pretty dumb story, must be something more to why it's popular
It's about as dumb as any other deconstructionist satire. It's better that it's blatantly dumb, lest people mistakenly take it at face value for centuries and eventually construct entire international relations courses around what's essentially a big shit-post. (cough - The Prince - cough cough)
@Fuzzy Dunlop
Oh, boy. Yes.
The people who take The Prince at face value... that is too much truth (beleaguered sigh) and it feels exhausting to keep telling this to those who keep on misquoting the "(...)It's better to be feared than to be loved(...)" bit -without even knowing the quote should start before that and end waaaay after where they usually do.
Edison Michael what is the full context of that feared quote in the prince then? What am I missing ?
Fuzzy Dunlop how is the prince a shit post then ?
The "Love Square" got me a bit inspired for a new subplot in my DnD campaign. Then I heard the rest of the summary, and realized Cervantes was recounting *his* DnD campaign...
Don Quixote is the ultimate DnD murder hobo
I kinda wanted to play a chaotic good musical!Quixote-inspired paladin for a while, but honestly, now I want to give a lawful or chaotic neutral book!Quixote-inspired fighter who THINKS he’s a paladin a shot!
I'm gonna need to revisit this once Limbus Company gets around to a Don Quixote focus chapter. Still, between base Don being one of the game's worst base identities, her immediate reaction to gangsters extorting a pawn shop owner being "fight time!" (bad idea), witnessing a child being forcibly separated from their father at immigration and getting border security angry and her and all her associates (this kills everyone, but they come back), immediately going 110% fangirl over Siegfried (the guy who LITERALLY JUST KILLED EVERYONE), and going probably way too far beating some sense into Emil Sinclair during the latter's mental breakdown, there's definitely a lot to look forward to with all these side characters that haven't come up yet. (On the other hand, her default special attack is called "La Sangre de Sancho" - or "The Blood of Sancho" - and I'm getting a feeling that has to do with The Second Part).
Limbus!Don's other big thing is that she's obsessed with "Fixers", basically do-anything-for-hires that almost all of have at least some degree of actual combat experience, because the City is a late-capitalist nightmare. Now, this *sounds* like it wouldn't be a problem since Don and the concept of Fixers are actually contemporary with one another, but Don's outlook on the profession is... really off. To her, Fixers are, like the chivalric knights OG!Don admires so much, inherently good and just and noble, which is not something that's correct to say about an industry that has *multiple* explicit subsections for "murder for hire". The Sinner* Operations Manual even calls into question whether a "noble Fixer" has *ever* existed at all. They're not heroes, they're mercenaries.
Hey someone else in here due to limbus!
Don's chapter will be pure depression.
I'm also here from Limbus
her cinq identity has the glamour that she envisions herself having, meanwhile all her other identities are just,,,, depressed don
She is also clearly aware it's a delusion, as shown in the mariachi scene in chapter 2 with serious don voice
Who else is here because of Limbus Company
i sure am
Canto 7 is coming I guess.
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This is a strangely self aware story for when it was written especially because it's modern representation is exactly what it was arguing against
SilverBladeHero 15 it was written as making fun of te trope, since Cervantes thought that those books where terrible and didn’t deserve all they attention they where getting. It’s basically a good parody
For people who think deconstruction of tropes is a relatively modern trend... Don Quixote exists to show them, no, it's an old trend, just a trend we've just so happened to circle back around to after a few centuries. The whole latter part of the Spanish Golden Age turned into "deconstruct tropes", whether it was Cervantes with Don Quixote or Calderon with Life is a Dream (which also deconstructs a Chivalric Romance plot, though more in a manner which shows just how messed up it is in a non-satiric way, more of an ironic look).
And having *read* some of those romances, I gotta agree with Cervantes. Good *Lord,* the guys in those stories need to *get a life.*
Don Quijote is the finest example that writers in all ages have read and wondered "Man. Fiction sure can be dumb"
Ya know, self awareness wasn't invented in the 20th century.
So basically this is "What if Michael Scott found some knights armor?".
batshineman it’s a bit more extreme than that, but you’re still pretty accurate
Yes, too true.
Deuce Moncura the office because Michael Scott is kinda a modern don Quixote
I could definitely see this happening if there had ever been an episode of the office where he visited a renn fair.
Yesterday it was "hard core parkour!"
Today it's "living free in chivalry!"
@@Chad_Eldridge the office
Limbus company
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like the guy who tried to kill a windmill. and also that girl from limbus
A 14th century satire of the medium of the day that somehow manages to be both ahead of its time and dated to a specific period?
Neat.
Did you watch this 19th century TV series called Game of Throne?
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Dom Quijote came out in 1615... 17th century
Cervantes is considered the father of spanish literature after all
Char The Wolf I think he might meant that it’s based on 14th century chivalric traditions. He’s still wrong though.
Fun fact: Fierabras is from french. A fier-à-bras (meaning something like 'proud arm') is someone who boast about is strength and courage, trying to be fearsome, without actually having done anything to prove it.
Jeanne Leblanc So its an early Goscinny inspiration (Abraracourcix?)
Well it can also come from spanish "fiero brazo" (meaning "Fierce Arm"), which is quite similar so...
Juanma Railgun or from catalan?
Goscinni as in Astérix?
(Aussi, je savais pas ça. Salutations d'Angleterre 🖑)
If I remember right, it's a character from either Arthurian or Carolingian mythology. Leaning towards Charlemagne. I think he might have been an antagonist.
I lost it at "This sounds like something Terry Pratchett would write."
God I remember taking a Spanish class, and one of the best movies we got to watch was one about Don Quixote. I can't fully remember if it was one of the more romanticized versions (Likely), but I remember watching it and thinking "They want to showcase the power of living out a dream against all odds... with a undeniably insane old man who actively picks fights and causes problems?" The fact that he so inexcusably romanticized knighthood and chivalry reminds me a lot of how media romanticized the HELL out of Samurai in a lot of Japanese stories. Yes, there are very influential and positively enthralling knights and samurai, but there are also LOADS of awful tales of them as well, especially when you look at actual historical tales.
I personally don't think there's anything wrong with romanticizing a specific type of... profession? Way of life? Whatever, basically, nothing wrong with seeing things like Knights and Samurai or what have you in positive lights, so long as you don't let those romanticization cover the actual reality of how these people often were.
I prefer Knights being romanized more than Samurais.
"I tried so hard and got too far, but in the end it doesn't even matter." --Don Quixote de La Mancha.