Well I'm sold. Just started looking today about replacing my TM1600 throttle. This review tells it all. Saved as a favourite because the build demo was so good.
Nice video man. Also "push it in before you screw it" is a great advice that'll definitely help me not only when I am putting the throttle together once it has arrived, but also getting forgiveness from the missus. Cheers.
I just purchased mine and waiting for it to come in. Ordered the metal warthog F18 setup with finger lifts. My MFG pedals came in two weeks ago. Next purchase is a Buttkicker game pro system. Been flying in DCS since late 2020
Thank you all for the comments, I will be doing one on the Winwing Orian2 with the F-16 throttle setup next week as well as the F14 Grip made by Virpil.
I just bought that throttle and the 16 joystick. I'm absolutely sure that this video will help. Thanks for taking the time to make this instructional video. Much appreciated.
Bought ! Built and Thank you. Lack of paperwork and mixed PDF's online made this a bit of a jigsaw to start with. This video sorted it all out. One note of caution. Screws & threads I have found from this part of the World can be made of cheese and strip easily. I'm glad to say not in this case, although paranoia made me VERY careful. Suggest if it feels tight then unwind and wind back in. Do not overtighten. My Orion2 Combo arrived double boxed, well packaged for shipping and the quality of finish is fantastic. I am yet to site the Throttle as I have to make some modifications to my rig. Will update again.
Thank you for the great video. I just received my Orion 2 and I put it together using your video as my guide. Step by step it was the most helpful tutorial I've seen. The comedic bits were worth it as well. Thank you for not editing those out. 😂
Helped me man. My FA-18 throttle and stick just arrived this morning, but I was having a headache putting the throttle together as the pdf manual from the winwings site wasn't too clear on assembly. You helped me work out what goes where though, which I couldn't find in other videos. Love the Boston accent too. Many thanks from Aberdeen, Scotland.
I just ordered my Orion 2, and I am so glad youtube recommended this video. I have no doubt I could have put the throttle together, but I like to watch build videos never the less, and this was perfect.
CZcams is a wealth of great information and I watch video on all types of things. The other day I had to replace my key cylinder in my car and thanks to CZcams I did it in less than ten minutes. Thank you for your feedback.
@@harksgaming7455 not at all it's been very stable and I've not had any trouble with it one bit. The only downside is I wish they made dust covers for it. But that is the first world problem. But outside of that it is solid both in build and quality.
@@harksgaming7455 You can't go wrong with Virpil. They're a good solid brand. The only reason why I did not go with them is the five to six week waiting time, or more for their product. It was about a week and a half for winning. They're also cheaper but the quality is also just as stellar. That being said there is another contender you might want to look at. Easy personally I use VKB for my foot pedals and my two fight sticks. They too are also really really well built, and extremely friendly when it comes to customer support. They just announced and I think they're releasing soon if it's not already released their own throttle. That is something I would recommend to look at.
Tx. This video made my night. "Push it in before you screw it". I have invested since the begining of WinWing on there products. And they for me just blew all the competion out of the water. I got the Togun MIP just recently...what a game changer.
Thanks for watching, I really enjoyed watching the videos of your setup. Definitely one of the best cockpit setups I have ever seen. I hope someday I’ll have something as bad ass as that. Question: does it help more with all the hardware at your disposal to remember all the steps in the cold start? I would think it would be a help. Take care
Great review JP, I’m looking for a stick and throttle combo and getting back into flight sims after a number of years. I still have my old Suncom F-15E throttle and sticks x2 😮😂 The review highlighted a few important things especially the buttons and how both are put together. I’m learning towards winwing plus the EX stick for longevity and internal components. These devices are expensive so your review has helped massively. Cheers
You may want to get the Winwing, Virpil is just as good but it took me a week to get my stuff from Winwing and almost six weeks with Virpil because they are always back ordered.
I just picked these up and am looking forward to trying them out this weekend. Everything seems very solid, but the finger lift plastic bits concern me a bit. We'll see.
I use mine every day and it’s all like new, I know it’s plastic but it holds up very nicely and I really think you are going to enjoy using it. Funny I went to middle school and high school with a friend that has the same exact name.
The body on the throttle for WW is metal but it has plastic panels on the outside. TM has two metal plates on the base. One can be removed to make it lighter, but the WW throttle is better in every way
I don't have the TM stick anymore but I can definitely say for mid range it is what I think as the best but the Virpil is much better in every way. Virpil has a mechanical precise feel that is hard to describe. Virpil is at the top. I would think that Winwing would be right up with the Virpil and you would get it 3 months sooner. I really like Virpil but they take forever getting product out. I will be getting and comparing the Virpil WarBRD to the Virpil CM2 in the near future.
@@DrayAviation I haven't ever used the Winwing so I really can't say but I have been told the Virpil is better. I will see if Winwing will send me one to test.
I had to add on my TM 16000 m twcs and additional switch to engage the afterburner. At full throttle it would not engage like f-15 or the F-14 etc. I don't know. I binded or got rid of a key bind but as soon as I get into a dog fight the throttle can be no more than 50%. I got to hit the afterburner button and if the weather is too cold I got a hold it down for about 2 to 3 seconds. Then go full throttle and listen for the boom of the afterburner ignition. I'm sold on the winwing but I'm thinking I need the detent DCS has that option for the f-18. It is good, especially after takeoff where you're not burning. So much fuel so you can get to the tanker or get busy per se. At one time at full throttle the afterburner did work but all of a sudden it didn't. Now the TWCS of the TM you can maintain the throttle by taking the base off another screw that swivels the actuator and pop that off. Then very carefully a very tiny flathead from the south end inside the hole inside the actuator just enough to get a little meat on the tiny flathead and it pops right off. Including the A10 thrustmaster. Same thing on both sides but the 16 000 m only has 1. But they are maintainable able to do maintenance when they start to skip or not. Do what you want it to do such as go to full idle or go to full throttle sometimes in the middle. No activity at all. Take a tight q-tip little house alcohol not dripping wet. Just a little damp and the smudge that comes off of it is unreal and hard to believe as tight as that actuator is. And the gunk gets in there. I have a private room. Clean is going to be. It's just household dust I reckon. I don't know if maintenance would be required of the winwing Orion 2 Hotas with the f-18. Another question, if I do get the Orion 2 MAX I believe it should come with the metal throttle handles also with the detent and also with the lift for the detent for each engine for both at the same time. I don't believe that would be a problem because I believe the Orion is a non-contact metal bearing magnetized throttle. Where the thrustmaster is a contact actuator by a plastic rod. For the money and over 3k hours on it would just maintenance on the actuator and you have to be very gentle with that actuator but servicing it. For $150. How can you argue with that? I'm more than got my money worth and still using it. Waiting on my WINwing Orion hotas setup. Do you know if the f-18 joystick comes with the f-18 throttle base as you demonstrated? Or you have to choose yourself between an F-16 or an f-18 joystick. Deeply appreciate your video. I'm sold on it. I agree with you that the warthog is overpriced by $200 at least if they can make the Orion of such high demand and with specs that are second to none in its category. I believe the category would be towards the bottom of the high end. Haven't went much farther than that and recon of throttle controllers was thinking about the x56 rhino but I have a gut feeling that ain't going to work out. Thank you very much for the video. It definitely helped me. Hope you can answer those questions for me. Take care 🕊️
If you are getting the Winwing throttle you should get it pretty fast but Virpil takes a lot longer, it took five week to get the the Virpil joystick base and the joystick grip ( F14 ) is going on six weeks but I am very happy with the throttle and base both companies are top notch.
Very helpful, thanks. My Orion 2 Throttle arrived today, and I would have had huge problems assembling it if not for this video. Do you know if there is a way to lock the finger lifts in the up position for when you are flying a helicopter, or aircraft where you don't want the notches?
I just looked at mine and I don't see a way to lock them up but, when moving forward and back the detent doesn't really lock it into place, it will slide through but, you feel a little bump were the detent is. You can also remove it pretty easy and adjust the tension on the throttle handle so it slides easier. Hope this helps.
Thanks for the reply. I've got my throttle assembled and connected to my PC thanks to your video. Having tried it out in DCS, FS2020 and P3D, I see that the detent behind idle, where the finger lifts need to be used, doesn't form part of the axis. I had assumed it would, like the Thrustmaster Airbus throttle. So there's not really a need to have it lock in the up position to use the full axis with other aircraft. It would be nice if there was a way of not having the bumps at half way, and before the afterburner detent when you are in an aircraft that doesn't have them, but I guess everything in life is a compromise. I bought the throttle for fighter jets in DCS, but it's nice not to always be moving controllers in and out of your rig when you change aircraft. I'm lazy that way.
How does the spring loaded radar tilt control on the Winwing feel? Is it easy to make precise inputs, and how much force does it take if you compare it to the ministick next to it? I'm thinking about buying that throttle but my pedals don't have toe brakes and I was wondering if that axis is good enough to be used as a brake axis. I'm currently using one of the paddles on the back of my Thrustmaster TWCS for brakes, it works reasonably well and I just need something that isn't worse than what I have.
The little joystick is very easy to move but I get what you are looking at doing and the spring loaded one between the throttle would work great, I'm not sure if it can be used so I will try it tonight and see how it works and let you know.
I just tested it out, its the antenna elevation and I almost never use it. I pushed it to the down position and it shows as joy-z for the left and right brake and work very good and didn't get in the way of anything. Hope this helps you out.
Winwing slapped Thrustmaster in the face by providing a product that is far superior at the same price point and Thrustmaster; other than that button change have done nothing to improve theirs with a considerable increase in price.
The F-16 has a relief clamp under the left throttle grip the F-18 doesn't have any, I just use Velcro ties. The two screws were just two extra screw that any good company would add in just in case you drop one or something is missing one.
@@JPsTechReviews thanks on the extra screws. My throttle base came with a clamp for the USB cable which, after I posted my question, I found out screws into the top rhombus plastic box on the forward face of the throttle base.
Well I'm sold. Just started looking today about replacing my TM1600 throttle. This review tells it all. Saved as a favourite because the build demo was so good.
Nice video man. Also "push it in before you screw it" is a great advice that'll definitely help me not only when I am putting the throttle together once it has arrived, but also getting forgiveness from the missus. Cheers.
I just purchased mine and waiting for it to come in. Ordered the metal warthog F18 setup with finger lifts. My MFG pedals came in two weeks ago. Next purchase is a Buttkicker game pro system. Been flying in DCS since late 2020
Thank you all for the comments, I will be doing one on the Winwing Orian2 with the F-16 throttle setup next week as well as the F14 Grip made by Virpil.
I just bought that throttle and the 16 joystick.
I'm absolutely sure that this video will help.
Thanks for taking the time to make this instructional video.
Much appreciated.
Thank you and welcome to the channel.
Thank you so much for this detailed instruction video. I followed your directions and so glad I did. Like you said, not instructions from Win Wing
Your welcome, happy to help.
Bought ! Built and Thank you.
Lack of paperwork and mixed PDF's online made this a bit of a jigsaw to start with.
This video sorted it all out.
One note of caution. Screws & threads I have found from this part of the World can be made of cheese and strip easily.
I'm glad to say not in this case, although paranoia made me VERY careful. Suggest if it feels tight then unwind and wind back in. Do not overtighten.
My Orion2 Combo arrived double boxed, well packaged for shipping and the quality of finish is fantastic.
I am yet to site the Throttle as I have to make some modifications to my rig. Will update again.
Thank you for the great video. I just received my Orion 2 and I put it together using your video as my guide. Step by step it was the most helpful tutorial I've seen. The comedic bits were worth it as well. Thank you for not editing those out. 😂
Thank you for watching and I am happy I could help.
Have fun with you new hardware.
This man is an absolute sweetheart of a dork and I love it ❤
Awesome video. You knocked this one outta the park
My buddy hammy recommended your channel. Thank you !
hey man this was very helpful! I bought the F-15 gear but pretty much all of this applied and got me through. Appreciate your time and effort!
this video was incredibly helpful to watch as a run through of how to assemble the throttle.
Helped me man. My FA-18 throttle and stick just arrived this morning, but I was having a headache putting the throttle together as the pdf manual from the winwings site wasn't too clear on assembly. You helped me work out what goes where though, which I couldn't find in other videos. Love the Boston accent too. Many thanks from Aberdeen, Scotland.
That's great, happy that my video helped you out. I am sure you will enjoy the throttle, Winwing makes some really good stuff. Take care.
I just ordered my Orion 2, and I am so glad youtube recommended this video. I have no doubt I could have put the throttle together, but I like to watch build videos never the less, and this was perfect.
CZcams is a wealth of great information and I watch video on all types of things. The other day I had to replace my key cylinder in my car and thanks to CZcams I did it in less than ten minutes. Thank you for your feedback.
Have you had any problems with it so far?
@@harksgaming7455 not at all it's been very stable and I've not had any trouble with it one bit. The only downside is I wish they made dust covers for it. But that is the first world problem. But outside of that it is solid both in build and quality.
@@MacMuirTravis Thanks for the response! I'm thinking between virpil and winwing right now.
@@harksgaming7455 You can't go wrong with Virpil. They're a good solid brand. The only reason why I did not go with them is the five to six week waiting time, or more for their product. It was about a week and a half for winning. They're also cheaper but the quality is also just as stellar.
That being said there is another contender you might want to look at. Easy personally I use VKB for my foot pedals and my two fight sticks. They too are also really really well built, and extremely friendly when it comes to customer support. They just announced and I think they're releasing soon if it's not already released their own throttle. That is something I would recommend to look at.
Tx. This video made my night. "Push it in before you screw it". I have invested since the begining of WinWing on there products. And they for me just blew all the competion out of the water. I got the Togun MIP just recently...what a game changer.
Thanks for watching, I really enjoyed watching the videos of your setup. Definitely one of the best cockpit setups I have ever seen. I hope someday I’ll have something as bad ass as that. Question: does it help more with all the hardware at your disposal to remember all the steps in the cold start? I would think it would be a help. Take care
Thanks! subbed and thankful for your in-depth tutorial on the installation of orion2 hotas!!!
good detailed comparison on the buttons and built quality between the two
You can't compare the A-10 Warthog Throttle up against the F/A-18 Throttle, they're from two different platforms.
Great review JP, I’m looking for a stick and throttle combo and getting back into flight sims after a number of years. I still have my old Suncom F-15E throttle and sticks x2 😮😂 The review highlighted a few important things especially the buttons and how both are put together. I’m learning towards winwing plus the EX stick for longevity and internal components. These devices are expensive so your review has helped massively. Cheers
I love the Winwing, I can't believe the difference from my other Thrustmaster A10 Worthog, honestly it is worth the few extra dollars.
You may want to get the Winwing, Virpil is just as good but it took me a week to get my stuff from Winwing and almost six weeks with Virpil because they are always back ordered.
Helped me make my decision for a throttle, thanks!
Thank you, I will be doing one on the Orian2 with the F-16 setup next week as well as the F14 Grip made by Virpil.
I just picked these up and am looking forward to trying them out this weekend. Everything seems very solid, but the finger lift plastic bits concern me a bit. We'll see.
I use mine every day and it’s all like new, I know it’s plastic but it holds up very nicely and I really think you are going to enjoy using it. Funny I went to middle school and high school with a friend that has the same exact name.
The body on the throttle for WW is metal but it has plastic panels on the outside.
TM has two metal plates on the base. One can be removed to make it lighter, but the WW throttle is better in every way
Correction: The body of the Orion is metal, the body of the Orion 2 is ABS. I was totally wrong.
good video! i always trust the old dudes doing reviews
this is what i need! and waiting for stick comparison review with TM
I don't have the TM stick anymore but I can definitely say for mid range it is what I think as the best but the Virpil is much better in every way. Virpil has a mechanical precise feel that is hard to describe. Virpil is at the top. I would think that Winwing would be right up with the Virpil and you would get it 3 months sooner. I really like Virpil but they take forever getting product out. I will be getting and comparing the Virpil WarBRD to the Virpil CM2 in the near future.
@@JPsTechReviews is it very siginificant the feeling between virpil stick and wining?
@@DrayAviation I haven't ever used the Winwing so I really can't say but I have been told the Virpil is better. I will see if Winwing will send me one to test.
I had to add on my TM 16000 m twcs and additional switch to engage the afterburner. At full throttle it would not engage like f-15 or the F-14 etc. I don't know. I binded or got rid of a key bind but as soon as I get into a dog fight the throttle can be no more than 50%. I got to hit the afterburner button and if the weather is too cold I got a hold it down for about 2 to 3 seconds. Then go full throttle and listen for the boom of the afterburner ignition. I'm sold on the winwing but I'm thinking I need the detent DCS has that option for the f-18. It is good, especially after takeoff where you're not burning. So much fuel so you can get to the tanker or get busy per se. At one time at full throttle the afterburner did work but all of a sudden it didn't. Now the TWCS of the TM you can maintain the throttle by taking the base off another screw that swivels the actuator and pop that off. Then very carefully a very tiny flathead from the south end inside the hole inside the actuator just enough to get a little meat on the tiny flathead and it pops right off. Including the A10 thrustmaster. Same thing on both sides but the 16 000 m only has 1. But they are maintainable able to do maintenance when they start to skip or not. Do what you want it to do such as go to full idle or go to full throttle sometimes in the middle. No activity at all. Take a tight q-tip little house alcohol not dripping wet. Just a little damp and the smudge that comes off of it is unreal and hard to believe as tight as that actuator is. And the gunk gets in there. I have a private room. Clean is going to be. It's just household dust I reckon. I don't know if maintenance would be required of the winwing Orion 2 Hotas with the f-18. Another question, if I do get the Orion 2 MAX I believe it should come with the metal throttle handles also with the detent and also with the lift for the detent for each engine for both at the same time. I don't believe that would be a problem because I believe the Orion is a non-contact metal bearing magnetized throttle. Where the thrustmaster is a contact actuator by a plastic rod. For the money and over 3k hours on it would just maintenance on the actuator and you have to be very gentle with that actuator but servicing it. For $150. How can you argue with that? I'm more than got my money worth and still using it. Waiting on my WINwing Orion hotas setup. Do you know if the f-18 joystick comes with the f-18 throttle base as you demonstrated? Or you have to choose yourself between an F-16 or an f-18 joystick. Deeply appreciate your video. I'm sold on it. I agree with you that the warthog is overpriced by $200 at least if they can make the Orion of such high demand and with specs that are second to none in its category. I believe the category would be towards the bottom of the high end. Haven't went much farther than that and recon of throttle controllers was thinking about the x56 rhino but I have a gut feeling that ain't going to work out. Thank you very much for the video. It definitely helped me. Hope you can answer those questions for me. Take care 🕊️
Great video, clear and right to the point! good job, I hope I get my throttle soon to replace my TWCS
If you are getting the Winwing throttle you should get it pretty fast but Virpil takes a lot longer, it took five week to get the the Virpil joystick base and the joystick grip ( F14 ) is going on six weeks but I am very happy with the throttle and base both companies are top notch.
@@JPsTechReviews I've had my winwing for a week now, I love it, it took some time to configure everything but it's working perfectly
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JP, got a video on the Throttle setup for Hornet?
Very helpful, thanks. My Orion 2 Throttle arrived today, and I would have had huge problems assembling it if not for this video. Do you know if there is a way to lock the finger lifts in the up position for when you are flying a helicopter, or aircraft where you don't want the notches?
I just looked at mine and I don't see a way to lock them up but, when moving forward and back the detent doesn't really lock it into place, it will slide through but, you feel a little bump were the detent is.
You can also remove it pretty easy and adjust the tension on the throttle handle so it slides easier. Hope this helps.
Thanks for the reply. I've got my throttle assembled and connected to my PC thanks to your video. Having tried it out in DCS, FS2020 and P3D, I see that the detent behind idle, where the finger lifts need to be used, doesn't form part of the axis. I had assumed it would, like the Thrustmaster Airbus throttle. So there's not really a need to have it lock in the up position to use the full axis with other aircraft. It would be nice if there was a way of not having the bumps at half way, and before the afterburner detent when you are in an aircraft that doesn't have them, but I guess everything in life is a compromise. I bought the throttle for fighter jets in DCS, but it's nice not to always be moving controllers in and out of your rig when you change aircraft. I'm lazy that way.
The jokes made me subscribe 😂😂 …. Great vid BTW just ordered the winwing
what one did you order? The F18 or F16 setup. Thank you for the sub.
How does the spring loaded radar tilt control on the Winwing feel? Is it easy to make precise inputs, and how much force does it take if you compare it to the ministick next to it? I'm thinking about buying that throttle but my pedals don't have toe brakes and I was wondering if that axis is good enough to be used as a brake axis. I'm currently using one of the paddles on the back of my Thrustmaster TWCS for brakes, it works reasonably well and I just need something that isn't worse than what I have.
The little joystick is very easy to move but I get what you are looking at doing and the spring loaded one between the throttle would work great, I'm not sure if it can be used so I will try it tonight and see how it works and let you know.
I just tested it out, its the antenna elevation and I almost never use it. I pushed it to the down position and it shows as joy-z for the left and right brake and work very good and didn't get in the way of anything. Hope this helps you out.
@@JPsTechReviews Thanks, sounds good. I just placed an order for the throttle.
Winwing slapped Thrustmaster in the face by providing a product that is far superior at the same price point and Thrustmaster; other than that button change have done nothing to improve theirs with a considerable increase in price.
Two questions: Where does the USB strain relief clamp attach? Did you have two screws left over? lol
The F-16 has a relief clamp under the left throttle grip the F-18 doesn't have any, I just use Velcro ties. The two screws were just two extra screw that any good company would add in just in case you drop one or something is missing one.
@@JPsTechReviews thanks on the extra screws. My throttle base came with a clamp for the USB cable which, after I posted my question, I found out screws into the top rhombus plastic box on the forward face of the throttle base.
@@odourboy Now I am going to have to check when I get home later because I still can't picture it. Is it important to the throttle?
@@odourboy Half of the screws and nuts were just all over the place in the box.
@@JPsTechReviews not really. You'd never notice if it was missing.
you sound like you are from fl00ridaaa
Massachusetts