What Was Going On In The Cockpit? (Kenya Airways Flight 431) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN
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Kenya Airways Flight 431, an Airbus A310 crashed less than one minute after take-off from Abidjan. An electrical fault lead to a false alarm on the flight deck. The pilot flying thought they were in a stall situation when actually they weren't. What decisions were made on the flight deck which resulted in the crash?
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Could you please change your release day from Saturday to Sunday as I'm always busy on Saturday. TIA.
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Stay awesome 😎.
is your voice ok? it sounds different
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I was marvelling at how good the automatic subtitles were, when I realized they were input manually. Your dedication to this channel is impressive. Thank you.
Yes, it's very much appreciated!
I just learned to fly the A310 and love this plane. (MSFS) Awesome plane to fly but complicated at times.
I was in highschool then and my classmate's dad was the captain on that plane. I remember him getting picked up to go home a day after we heard the news. It was a heartbreaking. Poor guy was shattered.
When was this happen please??
wow, I can't recall anything about it. I was 6 back then, I think I started 1st grade even though I was 1 year too young for that.
@@mwenyembiozakenyingisana4105 2000 it seems
@@mwenyembiozakenyingisana4105 January the year 2000
Was their home in Fedha?
First time on these crashes where the crew did the correct stall evasion maneuver, only THIS time, it was the wrong choice. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
This is just Airbus's very own Data malfunction insident involving censors and data software, just like the two 737 Max that when down.
We need to go back to the basics and keep airplanes cockpit simple.
Except they didn't advance the throttles.
@@lcfflc3887 except pilot error is more likely to cause a crash than software/mechanical failure
But I guess more complicated software both increase and decrease pilot error
Not turning throttles to take off/go around is a bad mistake.
I remember this accident. It's good to find someone who made the effort to tell us what killed my colleagues & friends.Praying for the souls that perished. Sending love to everyone watching from (+254) Nairobi; Kenya
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Watching too from +254 roysambu kenya
Thank you. It was devastating.
Watching from +254 Kiambu
My condolences, however belated, are very sincere to you all. What a terrible tragedy, caused by the airplane itself and not its highly skilled pilots.
I was hardly one year old in the airline as a cabin crew when this happened. I was so mortified I almost resigned. To all my colleagues who passed on, may your families find strength and comfort even as the years go by
Lost my dear frind Mundia
@taavi... you mean Victor Theuri..
This plane I went with from bahrein to nrb on 2aug its was sounding very bird down
poleni bana
Incredible they even allow babies on board as flight crew.
The fact that 12 people survived is a miracle .....at night ,in the ocean ,almost fully fueled plane ....wasn't their time to go
2 died later on so it was 10
I mean it wasn't 'time to go' for the other passengers either, Dave. What a stupid comment.
Just amazing 12 people survived the crash, particularly the chap who swam to shore. Makes me feel like taking swimming lessons!
I recently swam one mile, non-stop.
Took me 45 mins.
In a pool, where the surface is flat, and I'm wearing a swimsuit with goggles, and I have perfect light conditions. And I can kick off the edge for a boost every 25 meters.
Swimming 2k in an ocean in the dark after your plane just crashed.... Holy shit!
I can swim for a minute and id already be dying 😂
Wow one of the survivors is my mother's friends idk what happened to him now.
@Emocional Caliente I learnt more about him, he didn't know how to swim and he survived by staying on the back wing thing for hours until help arrived
You are so correct but I tell you one thing I've never flew in my life and I am 64 years old and don't intend to but I do not see how people get on that plane or get on planes and think they're going to reach their destination with no problem. If that was me while I'm sitting in a plane in my lap I would have a inflatable boat sitting in my lap LOL
I’m originally from Somalia but Nairobi is my heart as I grow up there my kids born there my god bless Kenya 🇰🇪
Amen
Hi you are you single?
Nairobi loves you back...
We love Somalis in Kenya. 💕
Great lafy
It's heartbreaking for the passengers who were to be initially dropped at Lagos little did they know they were chasing their death
Yet another superb production, Anthony! I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but you really have the best channel covering this content. Thanks for all you do!
The Pilot was my campus classmate's dad. I did not realize he was 44, so young. Our classmate would later die too.R.I.P Muthees.
RIP to both that’s sad
Oh no...Muthee from Pioneer? What happened?
hey i just wanna say thanks for these videos bro i’m in full lockdown right now and i gotta say these videos are the highlight of my week! thanks for the videos and congrats on all the growth!
No problem 😊 thanks so much for watching!
Weird that plane disaster breakdowns are the highlight of your week but yeah these videos are really interesting and informative!
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@@Operngeist1 ---- Thank you for your vile wishes. I already did, but I had previously contracted "covid" about a year prior, which lasted for two weeks as an annoyance. "Delta" lasted all of four hours, because I already had natural immunity. Now I have immunity to two strains, and maybe more. I'm not even remotely close to getting your communist vaccine, and I'm glad I don't live in your communist Australia where I'd be shot for walking out on the streets - FOR NO REASON.
5:41 good that we can detect faults and weight configurations, etc. onboard withing seconds,shows how modern and advanced most AC are nowadays,having developed into a very safe transport
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I personally thank you such an awesome and informational video. I truly enjoyed it. I'm also glad you're feeling better!
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In what way is it underrated.
They just need to get rid of the overly dramatic music. That was the success formula for JCS and it would work here as well.
@Spencer What is the rating of this channel?
You're a good story-teller man. Really easy to follow
Long had an unhealthy obsession understanding this one. Never seen anyone talk about this flight so I’ll pose it here if that’s okay. In the BEA investigation document appendix 7 page 116 you’ll find the CVR. Earlier in the document, they list notable call outs but omit one I think should’ve been looked at more closely thus the above reference. Here the question:
Is there a connection of probe heat failure leading to temp sensor issues with the pitot tubes?
We know the connection of a bonafide failure in probe heat to stalling and the pitot tubes via France 447. But I’m wondering if overheating was a sign the plane had false readings in air temps - I’d guess sensing it much cooler than it was. pilot 2 orders anti ice to be switched off and asks ground for help but they are interrupting and the conversations doesn’t return to the issue.
Could this have been a sign a glitch was soon to occur with the stall detecting temperature reading problems with probe heat? P1 goes on record to say probe heat is “partially inop” speculating it is in fact overheating. This couldn’t have been normal on an A310. Idk it’s probably nothing but I’ve found many examples of temp sensors leading to pitot tube malfunctions. But not normally in Africa. Thoughts?
yeah
@smf333 birgenair 301.
From my experience, these aircraft have redundant, duel airspeed pitot tubes and makes it easy for crews to figure out which indicator is false. Pitot tube anti ice systems are fairly simple,, they either work or they don't. There is a warning light in the cockpit if one becomes inoperative. Just saying,
Hello mr yankee I hope there is a new video coming soon been missing your content
I’ve always wondered why Kenya airways doesn’t have a single airbus in its fleet. Now I know. Thanks for this well detailed documentary.
You have no idea of you are talking about. The safety record of Airbus aircraft is light years ahead of Boeing. History shows that.
@@ederss7that's not what he meant
You explain things nicely. Glad you feel better!
hello! really loving the content. have you considered doing a video on united airlines flight 811? i find the progression of the investigation w/ the parents super interesting:D
Thanks for this information. We now know what happened on that fateful. It happened so fast and no reason was given. Flying became scaring to most people
Still amazing there were ANY survivors.
In this instance, although the plane broke up, initially there were numerous people alive. But they subsequently drowned. Many on board couldn't swim. If help had come far sooner, amazingly MANY more people would of survived. If you can't swim....... LEARN.X
Am 24yrs old born and raised in Kenya but I've never heard of this accident,just learning it today in Feb 14,2023 wow!!!
Great vlog as always! I like short and to the point! Keep up the good work!
Great vid man! hope to see you grow in the future!
I’m not a pilot, but my 1st thought during the description was “Max thrust”. 😢
If it will let you. At that Paris Air Show debacle, the onboard computer would not permit it.
@@jeffreymcneal1920 nonsense. Utter nonsense.
I thoroughly enjoyed how you were so specific about everything. Thank you
Excellent as always, thank you!
Great narration and detail. Subbed.
wow. if i would be you. i would love the job so much. thank you for uploading every sauterday.
cool video i enjoyed it a lot
thanks for all the effort you put in
Another great video....this person works none stop on this content
I remember watching this on the news as a kid in Nairobi.
With only knowledge picked fron public coffers and u get ths details, you are a genius. Once more thanks for the update
Wow it’s fantastic that people were able to survive the crash.
which people survived?
@@akimmugisa398 10 people survived out of 179. 169 people lost their lives
Technology is really a two headed monster. There are to many cases to list where pilots have flown a perfectly good plane into the ground but just as many where they ignored or missed a warning. On t/o into a black void at night is worse case and no time to troubleshoot. Looking back at this, full power and let the plane fly. Gain some altitude and troubleshoot. Yet a simulator check ride, not lowering the noise when a stall warning goes off = fail.
Takeoff into a black void is routinely done with the ADI. you know..the artificial horizon. There are 3 of those. Also,,if a stall warning sounds at low altitudes, I doubt dropping the nose is the right thing in THAT situation. Their are instruments on the plane to.ck altitude..Altimeter AND the callouts counting lower and lower...but he wants those turned of. Instrument..ADI would let them know quickly if the nose is pitched too high. If you.KNOW you're at a low altitude when the stall warning goes off...TOGA power sounds like that would be more prudent in this case. Get yourself some altitude then worry about the other shit.
@@patrickmollohan3082 You do drop the nose whilst applying full power. What you don't do is drop the nose so you start descending, switch off the height call outs when your down that low, and what you certainly don't do is not add full power. That should have happened right away and been instinctive.
@@jaguar3248
My mistake. What I meant to say was not to drop the nose lower than the horizon line on the ADI. ADD power and build speed and ascend by pulling the nose up by using your instruments as not to cause another stall. Once you have a few thousand feet cushion, then start fucking with whatever the problem is. I REALLY appreciate you pointing out my error. My biggest concern on these poor nations airlines is the corner cutting. Why dont these academies for these airlines push instrument use and manual flight skills? They all depend on AUTOMATION!! Nothing else matters to them. All they need to do is get the plane off the runway, and once you hit minimum height...switch the Autopilot on and not deal.with it until it's time to land. At the right airports, the planes can land themselves perfectly on the runway. My point is that in many of these crashes with 3rd world airlines is...too much relying on the automation and no emphasis on gauges or manual flying skills. Ok..I'll shut up now...lol!!
Lowering nose while at 200ft altitude! ☹
@@patrickmollohan3082 what’s the crash record for Kenya airways? You probably have no idea as you spew your third world theories. Wanting to sound smart 🤔
Big fan of your videos, from Nairobi Kenya🇰🇪
Great video as always 👍
New sub here. I listen to your videos while I work.
Concise w/ interesting detail
I didn’t get the notification until now! I love your videos so muchhhhh!!! They’re always so detailed and amazing!
Very well detailed. May the families who lost loved ones find peace. 🇰🇪
Almost sounds like another case of blocked peto tubes with the conflicting stall and overspeed warnings.
5Y-BEN..It was a workhorse,always on the go espeacially Nairobi-Bombay and Lusaka Lilongwe route..may the pax and crew rest in peace
Amazing video! These make my day
Thanks for watching!
One mans disaster is another mans joy
I never heads of this accident before.
Thanks for sharing.
Nice graphics keep it up my friend
I believe this incident ended KQs relationship with airbus.
I was having dinner with the co-pilot, and a flight attendant, who flew the plane into Abidjan. We were at a garden restaurant along the main road linking the airportband CBD when we heard emmergency vehicles with sirens blaring and headed to the airport. None of us realized then that the outbound flight had crashed. It wasn't till next morning around 0410 that I got a call from a Kenyan friend in Abidjan telling me of the tradegy.
It was a somber scene at Hotel Ivoire where Kenya Airways staff flown in from Nairobi set up their help and information station.
I still think about this tradegy and feel for the families who lost members. My boss was supposed to have been on that flight but changed her schedule. A large number of the casualties were Nigerian, I believe.
RIP
Co- pilot had told me KQ were phasing out the Airbus and going for the B737.
good video like always
Another great video thanks for the hard work and great storytelling!
The immediate reaction in a stall warning (false or not) is (or should be) nose down and full throttles. Amazing incompetence.
It isn't as much incompetence as it was confusing information because the stall warning should not sound on takeoff unless the configuration of the plane was wrong in which they ruled out. They also pushed the nose down but there was very little room for this. Stalls are more common after the plane had been flying, so pilots usually have more time and space to work with the stall.
From one CZcamsr to another keep it up man! This content is really good!
Hi and thanks for the video
I still don't get why they were flying down instead of up. Why did they ignore the other warnings telling them they were too low?
Great video. Don’t mind the shorter ones.
Such a beautiful continent
great to hear we had some survivors
Great video
Nice channel I love it!
OVERSPEED WARNING COULD BEEN WHY ENGINES WEREN'T PUSHED UP.
if planes break apart during water landing, why does the instruction manual show a successful water landing? this wasnt even at full throttle and only shortly after takeoff and not nose down or anything, quite parallel to the water.
If they land in a controlled fashion they can float.
How can the investigators say there should have been enough information to realise its a false alarm. Especially at that low altitude you don't have enough time to look at your instruments plus also pilots are trained to straight away lower the nose as soon as the stall warning goes off
That is what every rank amateur, on up, is trained to do. Reduce the angle of attack and gain speed and air flow. It would seem the momentum of this beast simply ran it into the sea.
that droning at the beginning just made my day
This chanel is worth a subscription. One of the best chanel for analysis
Next episode: "What Happened To Malaysian 370?" Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
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Pilots didn't do themselves any favor in this situation
It’s strange that the a310 was designed to fly longer than the a300, but wasn’t designed to hold as much people.
It's a weight trade off. More fuel, less passengers and baggage, greater distance. Same with 747SP
Less seats for bigger fuel tanks.
I remember the FO, had met him and his family a year before this crash. Very amiable couple. It was so sad.
So sad, I lost a friend who was a crew in that flight ✈️
More details on the aircraft such as year of manufacturer, previous owners, would be nice. Year the type was retired
I know this is not a solution but here are some of the statistics:
Airframe involved in crash: Delivered to Kenya Airways September, 1986.
No previous owners.
All Air Kenya a310s were retired by 2002 the latest being Aug 2002 (none of the 4 a310 were scrapped by Air Kenya, but sold to other airlines).
@@iSuom thank you for the info!
One of my dad's friends was on board, when he heard the news a few days ago he went to see the body and the planes pieces 😢
It's so horrible, because I can't help but wonder if many more might have survived if the passengers had been sufficiently warned in time to get their vests on.
That wouldn't be possible, pilots and flight attendants usually warn passengers to due so if they are intending to ditch. Because this happened during takeoff and the pilots were preoccupied, there wouldn't be enough to time to relay such a message to passengers.
The flight channel has not yet discovered this😭
I was wondering will you do thai airways flight 311 ?
I will be covering that at some point yes
In my own head I was screaming "Firewall the throttles and climb out at 10 degrees angle of attack; you can't possibly stall then!"
Do you have that accident (I can't recall which one) in which a pitot failure led the pilots to believe they were accelerating past any sane speed their aircraft was capable of, so they pulled it into what turned out to be a fatal deep stall to bleed off the excess speed they didn't have?
I don’t know the A310 seems to have taught us many hard learned lessons.
I lost a dear friend in this crash😭
Although I always keep an eye on all instruments at all times, the PFD always has my priority.
Where can I find the video that one of the surviving passengers put on CZcams! Thank you from 🇨🇦Alberta, Canada 🇨🇦
Hi. One survivor of this incident from punjab india told the whole happening on one channel but it is in punjabi language.
@@harjindersidhu7734 thank you 😊
This is just Airbus's very own Max insident before going had their own mess with their 737 that when down, involving Data censors and faulty data software.
People seem to forget that, the A320 was faulty, see Air Inter and Air France crashes, Gulf Air crash in 2000. Remember that Lufthansa A320 crash in 1992? Faulty sensors on the gear, not detecting that the plane was on the ground. No plane type from Airbus is innocent.
Where is the surviving passenger video link?
czcams.com/video/GaTUt0PfTVU/video.html
@@Neimm Thank you👍😇🙏
Yet another case of "takeoff and landing are by far the most important parts of your job, but you're not smart enough to _not crash the plane_ because you heard a warning and immediately got tunnel vision." I get that humans are human, and that this is a fundamentally difficult occupation, but it's unsettling to see people who simply can't do it getting into the cockpit anyway and destroying lives and families with their incompetence.
I would have liked a bit more information regarding the following investigation. Sadly, nothing at all in this video. What about the pitot tubes? There was mention of the Sahara dust storms. Could the pitot sensors have been clogged and lead to a false reading of the air speed?
A slight correction Nairobi's population as of the 2019 census is 4.4 million not 10 million. Great video though
He was referring to the metropolitan area
Please. An you do the lapa flight in beunos aires
In many of these videos the plane is in a stall and falling, but the pilots ignore their altitude indicator which is telling them the plane is falling, and then just freeze instead of putting the pedal to the metal and opening up the 4 barrels kicking in the passing gear and pulling up. Maybe some old school 1940's altitude indicator and plane angle indicator need to be put in, that don't depend on a computer to work as a back up system. Maybe a flight training simulator system needs to be designed, that shocks you when you screw up in an emergency situation. Could it be that flight simulators have no repercussions, and are not really stressing the pilot, thus their brain does not learn to react in a real emergency instead it freezes in terror because it knows death is coming.
Damn that sucks..imagine getting lag while your flying a plane irl
I would prefer if the organ music was turned down. I have it in my ear because of surround sound and the narration is soft.
I'm not a pilot but even I know just by watching some of these videos that in the event of a stall warning you give FULL POWER and push the nose DOWN.
How did a qualified pilot miss the first part of the stall recovery?
Well, you're at a low altitude and you risk crashing into the sea which such a maneuver, made worse when you can't distinguish what's the sky and what's the ocean itself.
If they fly during a day, they will survive because they can at least observe any environment better than night.
1st, R.I.P to all those affected by this tragedy, & I sincerely hope I'm not offending anyone w/this comment...
I'm sure I'm just hindsight is 20 20/Monday morning quarterbacking this, but I'll never understand why, when it's clear that pilot's are in an obvious stall, whether it be an accurate warning or false, the 1st action isn't to IMMEDIATELY apply full (or necessary) power. In aviation, lift is life, & if you're not getting it, which these pilots clearly weren't, there's only 1 way to get it...SPEED...which you achieve 1 of 2 ways. 1. Pitch the nose down (which @400ft AGL likely wasn't much of an option), OR 2. POWER, which according to the narrator at these pilots never did. Another air crash that leaves me 🤔🤔🤔
what other planes did the pilot fly...
on many smaller aircraft (especially of the types used for "bush-flying"), a sharp increase in power gives your attitude a significant nose-up moment, this can be very dangerous if your angle-of-attack already is near to a stall, a fact your flight instructor will drum into you... is it possible the pilot mentally went to his training for a different type?
Sometimes if it’s your time to go none of these nonsense you just mentioned will work
Over speed warning?
Can you do Air Inter flight 148
I heard that 12 people survived and pretty much most of them where at the back or in the middle
So they did everything right-- until they just nosed it into the ground immediately after takeoff? Instead of lessening the climb and applying full power, they just went 'eh let's descend'
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Good video. Please improve volume on your videos. Smartphones are stupid on volume. Thanks.
There's something jarring about seeing a Southwest plane in a video about the A310
I'm slightly confused, Kenya's coastline is on the Indian ocean. How did it crash in the Atlantic?
It was a KQ flight from Abidjan to Nairobi via Lagos. Abidjan is next to the Atlantic ocean. If you knew your geography well you would not be confused!
@@58667679 Why thank you sir, a lack of geographic knowledge was not the problem. I misunderstood the departure airport. I have flown in and out of Kenyatta airport several times and thought it was the point of departure.