What Happened To Russia's Cold War Nuclear Submarines? | End Of Red October
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 12. 12. 2022
- At the end of the Cold War the Soviet Navy, bereft of funds, abruptly decommissioned 100 nuclear-powered submarines leaving behind a massive nuclear waste disposal problem. This program reviews the progress of the long-term project to properly dispose of the submarine's reactor cores and the major challenges those working on the project are dealing with.
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Does anyone remember when documentaries were just factual programmes without all the speculative doom and gloom every 5 minitues if something went wrong.
They are coming for you..
You will see.
They are coming for you..
They have uranium in their pockets.
9:15 "Welding thru thousands of tons of steel...." I've worked in sub recycling, and although there is some welding involved for things like creating lift points for rigging, for containing the reactor, etc, there's not much welding going on. Lots of torches, plasma cutting, carbon-arc, oxygen lance, etc are used because that's how you cut steel. Seems like so many of these shows confuse welding with cutting.
In a nutshell:
Welding: action of welders doing their things.
I know...
@@alexandrevaliquette1941 ya. That's not how they used the word though.
@@justlucky8254 I guess we should let them Youtubate their thing to people.
Air-arc?
That is a welding process, so is oxy/acy cutting.
These modern day "documentaries" are so dumbed down and cheap even the narration is nonsensical. The producers either don't understand the subject matter at all or just don't care enough to even bother describing things accurately. Theres better documentaries made by part time CZcamsrs these days.
I find it interesting that the writers keep referring to the threat of nuclear destruction in the past tense--as if the weapons are no longer the same threat.
Being vaporised by a present day nuke = not so scary.
Being vaporised by a 1960's nuke = shit your bell-bottoms time.
When was it written? Until Putin and North Korean developments most people thought the threat was pretty much over.
â@@Iaintwoke the warheads are likely in as derelict a condition as the rest of their gear. Of course, until we know for sure, no one wants to test that hypothesis.
Well done work by all involved. thank you all.
Good timing for this documentary
Yes, overly dramatic Russia Bashing is always topical. Especially when marching off to a nuclear war.
Calling any naval vessels or subs "unsinkable" is already doom to the watery grave
It was definitely interesting that they chose to refer to it as "unsinkable".đ€Ł
Cute picture of you aspopulvera9130
A friend was the UN representative for this site as long as it was active, who came on surprise inspections on a regular basis, and reported to the UN in Geneva and to the US government in Washington, DC.
The UN should be abolished. F globalism!
"Surprise Inspections on a Regular Basis" đ
Not _too_ regular I hope!
(Yes I understand what he means, it just sounds funny)
17:37 âthe graveyard for Red Octoberâ thats the second time they have referred to Red October as a real ship. I am 90% sure that The Red October was a fictional ship from a movie.
It was - used in the Tom Clancy FICTIONAL novel: "The Hunt for Red October".
@@mikehindson-evans159 maybe they are using Red October as a blanket term for the rise and fall of the USSR?
I remember reading somewhere that Red October was another name for the revolution of Russia in October 1917.
Russians are stubborn drunks. They are slop.
they are using the name as a "placeholder name" to refer to the entire Soviet submarine fleet
@@crazydoggentleman7930 red October refers to the October revolution in Russia in 1917. there were actually two revolutions in Russia in 1917-the first one I believe in February overthrew tzar Nicolas II and established a provisional government that ruled Russia as a republic. it was mostly conservative and continued the war which angered a lot of people. it always struggled for legitimacy and due to it being weak politically, the Communists initiated a second revolution in October lead by Vladimir Lenin which is the one most people are familiar with. they pulled out of the war, started a civil war, assassinated the deposed royal family, and declared the establishment of the Soviet union in 1922 in concert with neighboring countries
lets pay respect for the brave workers amd their skills for their huge efort. hats off gents
I can't believe how you filming it's great to see visually very great work Done you â€â€â€â€â€â€
It's just shows how how history repeats itself over and over maybe in different ways but hopefully someday the world's people will learn from there past instead of repeating it great video
what country fores you to put that many spaces between words like that?
United States but could be my poor typing skills
Norman Polmars books are excellent. I think Iâve read all of them. H.I. Sutton is good for sub related stuff as well.
they had access to much more titanium than we do. Recycling the subs made from it would be very lucrative. Guess the makers of this documentary never heard of Hanford OR.
Actually contrary to popular belief, most Russian Submarines were steel hulled. Only 12 combat submarines were titanium hulled. The first was the singular example of the Papa class. The next 7 were Alfa class. The last 4 were the Sierra class. Only the Sierra's are still active or at least not retired. Sierra's are a great submarine. Like a Titanium Akula, sadly, with a worse older sonar due to the smaller width.
Titanium is great for profit. Radioactive Titanium is not. Foundries where I am from avoid hot Russian steel.
@@The31stcenturyfox In fact there is a market for what is called ''pre-signature iron/steel. Metal that is from old ships, that sunk before the nukes is being salvaged and used for sensitive medical and probably other sensitive devices. Some divers report entire ship wrecks there one year gone the next.
@Chuck Laizure yup that's why WWII wrecks keep disappearing from the bottom of the pacific.
Hanford is in Washington, not Oregon.
this documentary is older than some trolls here,this was back in the late 90's and early 2000's
What are people trolling about? Are they actually trolling or are they speaking facts that some people dislike? I've read many of the comments and have yet to encounter a troll so I'm curious what led you to make that comment.
Volume is noticeably low (compared to other channel vids and commercials) but great video!
I may be misjudging this because of western input and the direction of the feed but, as an ex nuclear submarine engineer they seem to be managing it in a very controlled way! The foregoing is known and less supportive but these guys are not amateurs! Please give them some credence, i would work with them tomorrow!
Did you see them take one contamination survey???? No
The hype is strong with this oneâŠ.
super interesting video
LOVE DOCS ON SUBS!!!
It does make you wonder about the rest of those countries that have such submarines, what are they doing? A very good Video Guys.
Must have been terrifying to have served on a one of their subs, I've been in 2 of them, they were poorly designed, and built. Most were merely numbers, diversions, to hide the subs that were important, the crews were expendable.
Wow I couldn't imagine what that would be like just thinking about it gives me the Willy's
hey, that's what we all are now, according to the 1%club. these days, anyone not worth 10millon or more is not . and that includes you and me.. according to George Carlin.
No westerner could go on operating Soviet sub.. You former Soviet Navy?
With permission from Universal Studios for the Movie Red October. LOL
It's not impossible to visit one. There was a decomissioned Foxtrot sold to a Finnish businessman. He had it towed it to Finland and marketed it as a tourist attraction. It can't be the only one submarine museum/exhibition. Nuclear submarines are different story, of course.
At 23-minutes & 38-seconds into this video, we can see an unidentified female secretly administering a sedative from a hypodermic needle into the lower back of the hysterical crew member's wife (who then slumps to the floor) ... the unidentified woman then quickly disappears into the crowd. It seems to be a team effort with others helping. The video then immediately cuts off. The reason for this action was presumably to calm her down and to retain control of the grieving woman.
Great catch. Your correct.đđșđž
Good catch. I'm not sure if you knew this or not, but you can create a timestamp that people can click on to take them directly to the time in the video that you mentioned. Just type the hour, minute, second with a colon between each number. For your example, 23:38.
They said on another video I've seen that it was a lads mother.
Dang - thatâs crazy.
I trust people like you quickly đ
"Do not enter in the yellow box,
unless your exit is cleared" 28:38
was the angry mother/wife given a shot of something?
Yes, a sedative to knock her out or calm her down.
Yep.
As a welder and factory worker. I would love to work on stuff like this
Like kids with three arms???
@Old Timer no like disassemble the submarines in the video bro, I like doing shit the that, witch is why I do factory work
@@whiteboyplays6940 Could you use a water jet to cut the steel like the do with plate steel .I only have worked on sailboats .But it would negate the fire risk
there at the sayda nuclear cemetery are now 128 submarine nuclear reactors from the "Red october"
I get the feeling some corners have been cut đŹ
The kirsk story is sad,all those lives lost..rip fellow humans
yea pretty sure the future generation will thank us for this!!!
Yeah the Germans and the Russians working together what could possibly go wrong?
Haha
Neo-Cons like Victoria Nuland and her husband Robert Kagan made everything wrong
3 out 4 Poles đł
For this mission, hopefully nothing.
If it wasnât for the Germans those subs would still be rusting away in the harbor.
I was able to locate the barge in google earth with the 7 reactors as the arrive on Sayda. the map date is June 2010 showing 33 compartments on the dock and 7 on the barge here: latitude 69.248926° Longitude 33.235811° set the history date to 6/2010
Cool story, bro. ..does your therapist take cash?
@@acb9896 Hehe mapping and research is part of my job actually, hopefully i won't need a therapist!
I looked it up today, I see over 100 on the concrete dock. I counted 116, but some are in different areas on the dock., not sure why
@@dsm9785 it must be the current map, try using google earth proâs history feature to go back to june 2010
@@acb9896 was there a point to your comment? Or are you really that bored?
đđŸ nicely educational video
In the USA, we do this to our old subs as well.... But our fine sailors stay attached to the ship, and the ship is manned 24/7 until all hazardous liquids and the fuel cells are removed. Only then do our navel shipyards cut the aft and forward ends of the ship into scrap. The defueled reactor section is then sealed on both ends with 2" thick steel (maybe, only saw it happening from the top of the dry dock, but it's thick stuff.) The reactor compartments are then loaded onto barges and moved into an open trench that you can see for yourself on google maps at the handford site. Beyond that, I don't know what we do with them. But they are safe, just big cylinders of steel that are just lightly radioactive, but not leaking contamination(all water is gone anyway) and I would bet they do surveys just to check like they do in this video. Source, I walked past the cutting drydock on my way to work and watched 3 subs get slowly cut up day by day(very cool to see when it is a class of sub you know the layout of) and was on a team that drained, defueled, and decomissioned 2 subs which are probably cut up or being cut up right now. Cheers. I support nuclear power. Stop closing down powerplants before their end of design life because you have do all this same crap regardless of the age of the reactor. Enjoy your blackouts Cali folks.
Yup Bremerton I've been there I seen the rusty hulks of subs being cut up. Bremerton is where subs go to die.
Yeah man, but steel and salt water are not a durable mix.
Doesn't matter to me - i'll be dead by then, and I have no kids.
Saldy, other people do.
@@geomodelrailroader did you work there? I used to be a machinist there. Shop 31, building 431. I was lucky to never be loaned out to the cut-ups like some other shops were when things were slow. I did mainly prop shafts and heavy tool so things were always busy other than being loaned out to the prop shop once for a few months. It was interesting to watch the progress of the subs being cut in a drydock on one side of my shop, and then looking into the drydock on the other side where the opposite was happening and we were doing D5 conversions or making the Ohio slightly "more better".đđ
No blackouts here in CaliâŠtake a sip of Fukushima water and calm down
@@farzad6908 Get me a nice glass of water and watch me drink it. The fact you think the water is the dangerous part shows everyone here how little you know about American designed pressurized water reactors.
24:49 it is possible to se a body on the middle down section, behind of the metal structure.
There is no body
@@Elixir_Sullivan Not exactly at 24 49, take a look at the center, when the camera goes down.
@24:51 you mean?
Google pareidolia. I believe you've had a case of pareidolia. It looks like some pipes valves and just metal wreckage overlapping in depth offering the brain that opportunity to try to rationalize what is seeing.
@@will891410 I see something but I can't confirm it as being a body
@@Elixir_Sullivan Pause it at 24:52, down to the center, there is a face.
I love it
My grandfather was chief of nuclear design for submarines in Groton CT (submarine capital of the world)
I refurbished the Blue Submarine sign on I 95 in Groton. Yeah it was in a shambles. rust all over around it edges. The sign is still there. Maybe they made another who knows.
It is a common theme with Rusha poor Maintenace and cutting corners.
The Kursk disaster is still truly sad
Isn't it? Especially considering those people survived the sinking but still died there in the dark. Poor bastards.
Sad I agree, but why didn't they use the submarine pod capable of holding 100 peeps. Or Escape from the aft hatch a few at a time. 300 feet is semi survivable. Yes the cold water will eventually take its toll, yet no one escaped. God Bless Submariners.
14:23 I mean, its a good idea but not really "ingenious". It's basically common sense and that's why that method is used when scrapping subs and their reactors everywhere. We do it right here in Bremerton, WA constantly while recycling subs in the drydocks. Then they are placed on barges and are taken out the Straits of Juan de Fuca to the Pacific, down the coast of WA, then up the Columbia River and to their final resting place.đ
im already afraid of deep water and ships i got the shakes just watching this people that can ride in subs are built different i couldnt enter these things even if they set on dry land
Personally, I'm not even a fan of being in them while they're in drydock. Not my first choice of profession, for sure.
At 32:30 very interesting to see the lady Russian crane operator wearing a flowered top. I am sure she is quite adept at her job, just looks like she is dressed up for it.
Maybe she caught wind that they were filming, but I like to think she just always dresses up for work
One thing I've always admired about Russia or the soviets is how they don't seem to discriminate against women doing certain things. They also don't make a huge stink about a man being better it's just obvious in some roles and theres some roles even military roles women are better. I could be completely wrong but they dont seem to have the annoying feminist nonsense because it seems like women are included if they can perform.
She probably gets paid peanuts and thats likely one of the few items in her wardrobe, doesnt have anything else to wear on that particular day
Yeah I thought that was cool
@@forreststrong797 I saw a doc abt this black professional woman that lives in Russia and she talked abt how great she felt in a country where racism for her and many more black ppl was not an issue
How about just using the power plants for just that... power up houses and businesses with the extracted power plants??
I think they have gone past their service life. I certainly wouldn't trust in them.
@@Iaintwoke Well, the fuel is obviously still effective, considering the half-life of the rad materials.
@@lesliedeana5142 not really. I'm no expert but there's a reason that we refuel our subs and carriers from time to time.
Frankly every man and women working on this project deserve a Nobel peace prize if not a custom UN prize of special significance.
True heroism at work.
They have to be from nato and Russia is clearly not
The hunt of red October finally ends... Cold War gaint submarine
Murmansk isn't the northern most city in the world, its 125 further south than Tromso and 275 miles further south than Hammerfest. Wonder what else in wrong in this video?
Thank you, an excellent, and chilling documentary. If only the vast resources of US and the then USSR could have been used to make the world a better place instead of this cold war.
Well done the workers who have spent their entire working life tidying up the remnants of the nuclear fleet, hope they were not exposed.
No money in peace
@@LongHaulTrucker4Life Lots of money in peace, if you know how to take advantage of it. The US and Europe had a large "peace dividend" - allowing a lot of money to be spent on other things.
Putin, who has the training you'd expect of a former KGB middle manager, has no idea, perhaps less interest, in growing his country peacefully. Russia, with its resources, with its technological and pedagogical heritage, should easily be 2 to 3 times as wealthy as it is, perhaps even more. But KGB training taught Putin how to suppress his own people, and how to undermine other countries, but he knows almost nothing about economics or development. His ruling clique is made up of siloviki - security people. They're the same as him, plus or minus.
People have understood the issue in the video for 30+ years. The US in 1991 very much desired the USSR to stay together for just this reason - to avoid nuclear proliferation.
I knew someone who, in the early-mid 1990s, worked for one of the US weapons labs. He was involved in work that involved the US military, scientists, etc, all concerned with ensuring Soviet weapons didn't fall into bad hands. The nightmare scenario was a corrupt former Soviet general or similar selling this stuff to bad guys.
Russia has plenty of money. It can afford to do this work - it doesn't want to, at least not by itself, because it's expensive. It doesn't do anything for Russia's greater glory, it doesn't make Russia look good - in fact, it just emphasizes the fact that Russia, to a significant degree, sits within the wreckage of a bygone empire.
These chicken-little-syndrome-causing over-the-top alarmists will be the end of us because someday we will really need to hear the alarm and we'll ignore it. That is the "chilling" part.
So chilling I needed a winter coat
Excellent doc
almost as dramatic and over blown as AX Men or Ice Road Truckers.
Best part is they build new weapons and we pay to clean the shit up lol.
Can I buy one
dead left neutron,thats a hell of a name
9:16 the narrator said "welding through thousands of tons of steel" they aren't welding, they are cutting through. The complete opposite of what the narrator said.
This is why they are called the widow makers đź
Epic documentary
I wonder what the half life of these things are? Surely they should be, at the very least covered?
So what about the Allies' submarines? Are they being decomissioned properly? Where are they? There are terrible problems in Hanford from the WW II bomb factories still. Might make a gripping sequel. The US has lost submarines too.
We chop them up the same way in Bremerton, WA for example. Then barge the reactors down the coast and up the Columbia River.
Maybe I missed it but not referenced is all the heavy water was removed, filtered and returned to the ocean.
I doubt if there was any heavy water used in the Kursk reactors.
Russia still uses the Victor class sub, they have built more and newer kind of nuclear subs. The indian navy also uses them
We are closer now then we were back then
How is the "other" nuclear powers handle there reactors??
cant the reactor unit be taken to a land based small to medium power plants built to use the reactors?
No, they've reached the end of their design life. They would need to be completely disassembled rebuilt and refueled.
23:35 or so. The woman who's distraught suddenly calms down. That happens after being injected with whatever was in that syringe. "With very dubious methods...." indeed.
Dont use REVERSED shots to cover your lack of footage, so easy to spot.
Putting a couple of a hundred years into a solution,that needs a couple of a thousand years solution doesn't sound like a solution
So with the war with Ukraine, has this all come to a screeching halt? IS anyone watching over the mess?
judging by satellite imagery on google maps, it should be done and the site they are placed on is almost completely filled with those big submarine sections along with what looks like some big hydrogen bombs by the outer fencing in the south-west of the site. could also be that google edited out all the ones left in the waters around the fjord
Humans can't stand near container for long but doing double shifts
You think they have a Reagan sound-a-like on purpose?
Think of all the money that couldâve been used in improving humanity instead of making and disposing of submarines
Think of all the knowledge that was gained for humanity that can be applied to future endeavors like space.
Human advancement isn't a zero sum game.
The world these days needs transparency in relations as much as so-called politics, which has become something of a classic .
Agree, but the world also needs A LOT OF THINGS!!
Is this kind of work still occurring now that there's huge tension between Germany and Russia?
41:30 isnt that same amount what you get when you are on a plane..
The inevitable will happen: checks will bounce, supplies will fall short, corners cut, war with neighbors, workers will get đ€ą, and then . đđ
Thanks to those subs for saving India in 1971. đ
Hmmm, this was obviously filmed a while ago. I'm sure that German Engineer is no longer on site in light of the war in Ukraine. Makes me wonder how much progress is being made there now, when Russia is throwing all it's resources toward the war.
That is true
Weâve got a Russian sub parked in Rochester on the Medway (Kent UK). Sat rotting for ages but I think itâs being restored now. Bit further down in the estuary thereâs a couple of sunk German ones too but they are proper rotten.
that one is not nuclear
Do you know what it is called? Thanks
@@mikeconklin5616 its U-475 Black Widow, they used this sub for the movie black sea with Jude law
There are over 100 reactors at that site now..via satellite photos
I miss d news :(
23.53 is that a syringe the secret service is about to jab into the grieving mother?
23:50
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Cleaning Old Submarine Retired NĂșcleo Nuke OK 650 Reactor
All the powers, are partners. Deceiving the masses by lies, and fear.
Shits insane we have things like this in the world.. even crazier these mad men are running the show on both sides!!!
200 years after people...
sad thing, we may have come full circle again...
The second they say "dirty bomb" I roll my eyes, and question the validity of any of this info
Well you go in there, you scrape up some loose nuclear stuff off the floor, put it in a box, and light the fuse.....Wile E. Coyote style.
Why? That waste is perfect to mix in with some tnt and detonate in the middle of a city if youâre a terroristâŠ
I know, because there's no such thing as nuclear waste or some crazy terrorist organization that would love to get their hands on it to make a primitive radioactive bomb. Now I roll my eyes at you.
@@PorkyHontas Dumbest most naive comment ever.... grow up.
@@JamesSmith-fz7qk I know, because you're an idiot if you think nuclear waste and the possibility of a dirty bomb being created due to the proliferation of it is such an eye rolling joke.
Be sure to get your daily dose of Fear of Nuclear War lol
New Clear Power = The Movement of Water.
The title says 100, it's more like 200!
The fact that Russia acts like they are self-sufficient and get no help from the west really irks me. We always have to bail them out in the interest of security.
Yep. When left to their own devices, without expertise and financial aid from other countries, their process of recycling these old boats is a different story entirely.
I love how you can see the Russian nurse âconsolingâ the outraged mother at the Kursk disaster press gather. Then the needle that injects her on her left shoulder. All of a sudden three uniformed man lower her to ground. Thatâs the world of uniform bliss and socialism. You outspeek and they put you down. Watch from 23:45 min and youâll see. I saw this in another documentary explaining what happened to her. Crazy.
YEP. That'd be you.
@@andysaunders3708 what would be them? What were you trying to say?
@@justlucky8254 Sorry, but I sincerely don't understand your question.
@@andysaunders3708 unless comments have been deleted, Shadetree made the original comment. Your reply to that comment was: "YEP. That'd be you." I'm curious about what you meant. What "would be him"?
where are the unwanted US NUCLEAR SUBS
@09:13 JEES IF your gonna make a video about cutting up steel at least get it right... the dude say { selding though large steel } mean while they are burning thought steel...who hires these people?
Yep. They are so advanced that they cut with welders. Maybe they bond metal together with carbon-arcs and stuff also. đ€Ł (on a side note, I read a comment from somebody a while back who was trying to be sarcastic and madea joke about using dynamite to weld metals together. It was ironic because I use to work in a place where we used explosion bonded materials. We literally had plates of dissimilar metals, titanium and stainless steel for example, that were bonded together by using explosives. It's neat to have material that is say 4" thick and one side is 2" of titanium and the other is 2" of aluminum, and they are so well "welded" together that they are hermetically sealed. We used the material to make ultra high vacuum chambers and other cool stuff for NASA, CERN, SPACE X, Los Alamos National Labs, etc. It's one of the coolest materials I've ever machined or fabbed.)
RIP Kursk sailors
Can it not also happen in US, UK and French submarines? Nuclear reactors have safety means to prevent nuclear meltdown. Just saying.
Must act now lmao how long have they been sitting there ?
Nations poof they trust me not to start a war this is heaven
Sadly the crew paid for the incompetence of the soviet upper echelon. It's hardly a secret that most builders, suppliers, and middlemen skim off the budget so by the time the project is finished, it's already in trouble of failure. Of course accidents happen to every country, it's the nature of operating high tech and highly dangerous equipment. However, cutting costs, or just plain stealing money earmarked for safe operation is in this case premeditated murder. The price to raise the Kursk alone would have kept the fleet of a small nation happy! But good ole Putin is the final say so today. I actually feel bad for the Russian people, this madman will be their demise!
Why'can't they enolosse the reactor in concrete it only makes sense to do this.
all those fiberglass rocket mockups in parades.. Soviets only mattered because we made them matter.
Hi from Polk. Is this looking West?