The Hunt For The Lost Cold War Nuke At The Bottom Of The Pacific Ocean | Lost Nuke | Timeline
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- In February, 1950 the world's largest bomber takes off on a secret Cold War mission from Alaska. Its cargo - a MK IV nuclear bomb. Halfway through the mission three engines catch fire while the bomber is flying near Canada's west coast. Forced to abandon the mission, the crew puts the plane on autopilot, a course that will take the crippled bomber out into the Pacific. Despite the largest search and rescue mission in US Air Force history, the aircraft, five crewmen and their nuclear weapon are presumed lost in the depths of the Pacific Ocean - until now.
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â@@tykobes4132 there was a video on this event. I watched it several years ago. I have tried to find it again, but no luck. It was very interesting. The main item that caught my attention is the radius of predicted damage if it ever went off. It was dropped roughly 8 miles off the Savannah Coastline. Damage from this device traveling Westward would almost make it to the Mississippi River, and would go out in the Atlanta Ocean roughly 600 miles from the drop point. Just mark on a map where they said they dropped it, and draw a 600 mile circle from this point. I don't remember how far north it would be felt, and I don't remember how far south it would be felt. The Eastern Florida Coastline as well as the Georgia coastline would sustain the most damage/destruction.
This event is very similar to the one we are watching now! I forget the name of the plane, but it started experiencing a major failure as well. The decision was made to jettison the device once they were away from any land. This was discussed with many military experts in the country. The "device" weighed over 9,000 lbs. If they did not jettison the device, the plane was going to go down on Georgia soil. Getting rid of this 9,000 plus pounds enabled the plane to make it about 10 miles off the Georgia coastline.
A massive search team was being assembled before the plane landed or whatever happened to it. It was never found, and there is no clue to this day where it is. The most logical explanation given was the possibility the device was able to penetrate the Ocean sand floor, and bury itself 20 plus feet deep.
To this day, no trace of the device has been located. Ever since it was dropped, the entire Georgia coastline has been check for any radio activity monthly or more. This was over 50 years ago. They finally gave up. What the Scientist are worried about is the Salt Water corrosion that could possibly penetrate the device, and destroying the safety devices within. It's been 50 plus years ago now, and no signs whatsoever has been detected. They have used every piece of equipment known to this day to try and locate the device. It would seem with today's advanced military equipment, someone, or somebody would have picked up something.
In this same video, it mentioned two other likewise devices that were lost off the Western Coastline of Spain and Portugal. Last I heard there were 6 or more of these devices that have never been found. I believe Russia has one or two of them that disappeared in similar situations.
We welcome any and all creditable information involving these missing devices. Thanks, and Good Luck, . . .
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TOP TIP. SAVE YOURSELF 45 MINUTES the investigators reveal nothing.
Agreed. This was a complete waste of time.
"Disappointed the birdcage wasn't still there" made me LOL.
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My Uncle flew these planes. He became a Colonel for the Army Air Force. He passed away only recently. He is my Hero. For anyone who can relate their knowledge of these Great Men l, his funeral is coming last part of November his nickname was "Westy." He was 98. I'd love any story. God Bless America & Freedom.
He went down with the plane , because he had a responsibility , and a duty , to make sure that warhead was disarmed before it was lost forever. He couldn't simply abandon the warhead until he disarmed it !! He gave his last protecting all of us and our planet !! A true hero !!
Bevak Michael, the bomb wasn't armed before the and during the flight. The bomb can be armed while over the intended target which is how flight bombs are activated.
Also if he was busy flying the plane by himself he didn't have time to go back and disarm it if your story held any water. Even if it had been armed at some point the crew had PLENTY of time to disarm it prior to abandoning the aircraft. Your theory doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
@@Stubbies2003 The whole thrust of this video does not hold up
There was no warhead.
@@Stubbies2003 the entire crew isnât trained to arm/disarm atomic weapons.
While there are quite a few questions about this incident, I see nothing strange at all that a brand new strategic bomber that had only entered service one year before would be blown to smithereens by the government if deemed unrecoverable.
But when the remaining crew is brought back together for another mission and that plane is brought down by a fighter plane crashing into it, just saying.
so much technology they didn't want to fall into the soviet's hands.
But after what happens russia created its own weapon of mass destruction
@@fido3561 DO DO DO DO tin hat time. The military has far cheaper ways to get rid of the crew than to lose a fighter and a massive expensive bomber. Put them on a C47, you know, a left over from WW2, knock them out, the pilot jumps.
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I could see the Air Force getting there, recovering the nuclear weapon and associated hardware to conceal the fact that nukes were on board, then blowing up the plane to prevent anyone from stealing the technology of the plane.
I doubt it's of any secret now and if it was Canadian military would have shut this down.
LOL. They'd want the Russians to copy the engines if they were so prone to carb icing.
@@cynvision Those engines (R4360 ?) were VERY new and untested. All of the basic engine was a great design, later they were very reliable. Like the B-29 the B-36 was put in service without proper run up because of necessity. The big radials (R-3300) for the B-29 had serious teething problems, mostly overheating and failing on takeoff, the R-2800 that was used in P47, F4U and the F6F had early problems, like nearly every engine including the much over rated Merlin.
How did they recover the bomb which weighed 5-1.2 tons??
ok but they left the birdcage up there to be found by someone in 1998? that doesn't make sense?maybe a soviet agent wanting to get a hold of a MkIV?No streets named after just Him?
My father worked on developing this plane. Particularly the engines. He moved back to Hartford CT from Ft Worth to work for Pratt and Whitney where he retired
P&W made some fantastic engines.
@@ralphebrandt yes sir đ
To expect that the plutonium core and the detonators would be found in situ is naive in the extreme. These objects were clearly recovered before the bomber was destroyed, so feigning disappointment was just an act for the documentary cameras. I hate when people try to manipulate an audience like that. The real mystery is not about the bomb or it's components, but the act of sabotage on the aircraft, and consequentially the crew's mission. However with so little evidence one is forced to venture within the realm of speculation.
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@@thamuzkilo in situ means âon siteâ
@@camdaman1064 on site... Was it typo lingo or is it an actual term?
Most of the metal from a B36 is not steel. đźin fact it was magnesium. Notice that there wasnât much rust. Depleted uranium is used in munitions. It is about 60 % as radioactive as natural uranium. Not a terroristâs first choice material for a dirty bomb. Just a couple of misleading examples of this documentary.
Simple strategic decision: Don't ever reveal or admit secret information to your enemy unless you absolutely have no other choice - no matter how old or even obsolete it may be - unless it is strategically advantageous to do so.
Biedy is revealing everything. Wants war really bad
So YOU believe that Canadians are your enemy ?? No wonder you warmongers are despised in many places in the world !! Most Americans are normal people but there is a certain psychopathic element that create havoc where ever they 'infect' the world like a disease.
A small crew was sent to the wreckage gathered the detonators and core and blew the rest up. Sounds like a military operation to me and that is not a mystery. The explosives in the bomb casings would be more than enough to flip the plane onto its back, but without its core it would never go critical, just make a really big boom!
Exactly. The simplest explanations are usually the most accurate. Yes there are unanswered questions and some rather mysterious but overall this is a very reasonable explenation.
@@teebosaurusyou If they took the core then that part of the bomb is covered. If the bomb blew up on impact as suggested then there would be no bomb left. To set off a nuke you need a great deal of precisely timed high explosives to compress the fissile materials and initiate super criticality. Therefore if those went off on impact, there would be nothing left. It's surprising there was as much plane left as there was.
@@teebosaurusyou Maybe if you perused my comment a little better your questions would have been answered. I said the military sent a small crew to REMOVE THE CORE which is the URANIUM the RADIOACTIVE part of the bomb and the detonators. All you have left is a lot of very high explosives. NO RADIATION when detonated without its uranium core.
I thought the internet was supposed to make people smarter not dumber. But then again it is the internet.đđ€Ł
@@NickFrom1228 Chances are they built these planes like a tank made to withstand overpressure in the air after a nuclear detonation. So that might explain why the plane was still intact after crashing and not completely obliterated by the three man team sent to recover materials and destroy the rest. Even they underestimated what it would take to completely destroy all the evidence. And that is why they found a chunk of the planes fuselage on its back. Just a wild guess but sounds plausible.
Would this connect to the land issues in Louisiana and Florida, of the houses sinking into the ground, and no longer existing if they possibly fissured?
There are, I believe, 7 bombs or cores missing. One is buried in North Carolina still. Would like to see a story on that one. Or the several dropped on/near Spain. Got all of them back, I do believe.
Way back in my Navy days I avoided one Broken Arrow and prevented a Bent Spear. Within about 2 years time. Both were ignored and not reported upstream since there wasn't 'really' a problem.....lol. Took me years to un-pucker from what 'almost' happened.
Thank you brother for sharing your experiences God bless you for your service and God bless your family
I'm reasonably well versed in mil. Speak but do not know the ramifications of a BENT SPEAR incident. If you'd be so good as to fill me in I'd be further indebted to you as I already OWE YOU a heart felt " Thank you " for your service for our GREAT nation. God Bless
USA lost two bombs near Thule Air Base, Greenland, back in the 60's.
They set 60 at the end of this documentary. That's way more than seven!
@@jamielondon6436.....Yes, 60 have gone 'missing' for one cause or another, but only six or seven still remain 'missing' or 'unrecoverable'. Beg Pardon for not making it clearer.
There is a Bomber 075 exhibit in Smithers BC Canada đšđŠ. One of the guns, and a couple other parts are on display. Itâs a surreal feeling being inches away from this chapter in history, especially this close to home.
Definite attempt to minimize the "Event" ... USAF , thinking why don't we just bomb the F' outta the Broken Arrow, and Deny Everything... đ„ž Plausible Deniability đ
@@Retired_LEO A work colleague of mine has been to the site (about 20yrs ago). He was tasked with detonating some of the explosives, and cleaning up the old explosives boxes/packaging left by the demolition team in the 50âs. He said itâs amazing how much âpowderâ (explosives) they used to destroy the plane.
There is also an exhibition in Stewart museum and visitor's center.
Thank you to all of our brave soldiers who served happy veterans Day
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*Elizabeth Burton -* While the gratitude is appreciated, thank *you* for honoring us with the privilege of serving. As a lawful immigrant who chose American citizenship, serving in combat was only a small partial payment on the continuing debt of having been permitted to be an American.
*De Oppresso Liber*
@@CPTdrawer22 I wish people who settled here had the same view..
Thank you for your appreciation of me and my fellow Veterans!
I had a model of a B-36 when I was a kid in the 80's. It was enormous even though it was at a scale the same as other model planes. It also had two JATO engines on each wing with its 6 engines.
I would love to see that bro I never gave up my traxxas
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Atlantis models makes a B-36 scale model you can get if you want one.
They weren't JATO engines, they were jet engines added after production to enhance performance.
@@smithjones3548 That's what a JATO is, Jet Assisted Take Off.
@@tomt373 haha I got 17 different rc cars monster trucks trial trucks.... I cant have fling things bahaha won't last long , I have and fpv drone I play arownd with and ya ,,naw 300 yards clear plz I don't no what am doing lmao
If i was humping heavy explosives up a hill, i would be using ALL of them rather than carting them back down the hill.
I used to work in Terrace BC, not far from Mount Kologet. The area is known for vast very powdery snowfields. I have a photo of Grandpa in front of a B36 in the Sandbox, 1956. So, the B 36 in question had problems on it's northerly leg to Alaska, The B 36 was well known for overheating. they did some work on the aircraft, and then next day took off, ( four burning, six turning) true three of the engines caught fire, (3 burning, 3 turning) and most of the crew bailed, however Captain Schreier, who had many hours in "Heavies" remained aboard, he knew about the vast snowfields on Mount Kologet and knew how to fly heavy aircraft. It was not known to the crew if the "Birdcage" was attached to the weapon to allow for detonation. It would be a tough call for the autopilot to execute a u turn and navigate itself back to Mount Kologet. Captain Schreier made it to his final destination, and evidence shows that the aircraft met the snowfields . RIP Captain Schreier.
Great comment and wonderfully broken down. You and you're Grandpa's experience and knowledge would have made an excellent addition to what was and still is an important event that not enough people seem to know about.
Anyway very good documentary.
Best wishes from the UK đŹđ§.
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The bird cage held the pit when it was not in the weapon. The bird cage prevented two pits from getting close enough to each other to start a chain reaction. The early ones fit into 36 inch square cubbyholes inside the storage bunkers. It is my understanding that this spacing was later reduced to 30 or 32 inch square. The last thing one wanted was a loose pit to roll up next to a loaded birdcage and tickle the dragons tail. The birdcage in the video looked smaller than 36 inches square.
RIP hero Capt. Schreier on this Veterans Day.
He's an absolute hero, many men went without even a mention. It's a sad thing, they should milk every man's ball sack before they go to war so incase they die their blood line lives on
great story STRANGE i had an uncle that lived in Smithers BC also he was a pilot in the Canadian Airforce during the 1950s he had to leave the airforce because he was diagnosed with diabeties
So when the investigators arrive after the military, they donât find the core or detonators. Well imagine my surprise! Thanks Captain Obvious
Nah, they just left them there, ignored that it ever happened, and scavengers got the items... đ€·đ»
They know precisely what happened. Itâs still top secret.
@@nigel900 That's my belief as well. It would make sense that the US Government would not want any details of the recovery of the birdcage, and the plutonium core to be released......ever.
When I was young I was lucky to meet many pilots. Some of their storyâs were really cool. The greatest generation! â€
Indeed sir, a greatest generation that sadly is approaching an inevitable end.
Ancient aliens agree, my chest waders aren't quite tall enough for the crock pot of malarkey in this spectacle but thanks for uploading as I'm hooked.
Excellent work.
Things happen. Itâs not always some big frigging conspiracy.
60 lost around the world wow. RIP to all those whom have lost and to the brave men on that night
Please refrain from using whom in the plural tense.
6 not recovered, not 60.
@@JonnoPlays Shut up nerd
They were training world destruction... the great spirit interrupted their foolish aggression games.....
To show strength with selfdestruction....
@@JonnoPlays - ...or the singular either, when neither is the object in a prepositional phrase.
*De Oppresso Liber*
Best line from a movie ever, was Broken Arrow... One of the government guys said "I don't know which is more disturbing, the fact we lost a nuclear weapon or that it happens so often there's a name for it!"....
He made a rash decision last minute to scuttle the gunship, he set it on a dive and made sure the impact would destroy most of the useful bits.
He was a man who was afraid he'd never see his family again, worried about the bomb behind him, worried if its gonna hurt when it happens.
He died filled with fear and confusion, like anyone would have, his bravery is among those we'll never know or see for ourselves.
Captain Shrier is a pilot of legend status.
This film is troubling to me as I have several veterans, now passed on but I have others in active status and are pilots. I worry about them! I pray for them and all of our troops.
Some clarification: The uranium in the Mark IV was not Depleted Uranium. DU is commonly used in armor piercing bullets. It is by it's very definition - not radioactive. So that would not have caused a dirty bomb. However, the actual radioactive Uranium 235 that was in this design, would indeed create a dirty bomb if the weapon fizzed.
They used it as part of the end cap.
im no scientist but i do know that the English company that got the salvage rights after the first gulf war were very dissapointed as the DU AP ammunition basically vapourised the the internal metals and wiring in all the iraqi tanks. Then all their staff got sick with radiation poisoning . I believe it ended pretty badly for everyone involved. fragments of this ammo is found in the ice caps so that stuff is all over the planet.
U238 "depleted uranium" is fertile and will fission under the intense bombardment of high energy neutrons typically produced by the fusion stage of a thermonuclear (hydrogen) bomb. By using a U238 mantle (tamper) around the fusion stage substantial additional yield can be produced cheaply, without critical mass problems, etc. With some bombs the main yield actually comes from this U238 mantle. Thorium232 could also be used.
Idk man. Depleted doesn't mean inert. Im not a scientist, but from what few DoD issued nuclear based manuscripts I have I'm not going to presume that things don't happen when you add the energy of explosions anywhere near anything on that end of the periodic table. And frankly. If the Army said it's safe I'm going to need a third party source to check on that. They are the most honest when they are telling you you're screwed. As far as dirty bombs go, it wouldn't be effective compared to basically anything else but if you tried, I imagine you can make cleanup expensive with a flump ton of DU shavings and some boom. Which is the point of a dirty bomb, expensive cleanup and fear. I just imagine it would be easier any other way than try to deal with that drama
it may have had DU in the casing as it intensifies the yield. But that isn't what would make it dirty
Military found and removed plutonium pit or pits, destroyed the aircraft's remains then left the scene is the most probable scenario.
Very interesting! The bomb part was a lot of maybe, the B-36 part was a lot of facts, engine problems, service life in the Air Force, handling with 3 engines out on 1 side. Thanks!
The scariest thought is not that it might have exploded. Much scarier is that it might have survived intact and was recovered not by the USAF but by the USSR.
Awesome documentary!!! A shame it has to be found on CZcams. This is the quality of work that used to be on the history channel!
Its about time we move past the awesome docs on the History Channel. Its over.
No need to keep talking about how cool it was or how it should be blah blah.
CZcams it is my friend. At least its somewhere!
Perhaps they could slip it between the 3 hour long mattress ad and 'When Apes Go Crazy'
It is?
Ew no.
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Wow! I use to guide up by Smithers haha that would have been some camp fire story
Thank you for sharing! I enjoyed this very much! God bless our troops and the USA! Peace to our World!!!
It's pretty customary for countries to properly destroy their own tech so as to not fall in enemy hands, Sometimes this is just way more practical than trying to plan a retrieval process. I'm puzzled that ppl were asking this question so many times in the video.
Someone needs to look for the lost A-4 Skyhawk that fell off it's carrier with it's pilot strapped in taking him, and a tactical nuclear weapon with it to the bottom of the south china sea
100% TRUE!! Intention has more power than we could ever realize or imagine until you experience the results when done correctly or incorrectly. I have experienced more positive than negative results from it, but it takes practice.
I imagine the reason the Air Force destroyed the plane is because it most likely had top secret technology on board
Sensational reporting. The 'it almost went off' reports never end. It could have. If I had been there I could have died. And more rhetoric...
Seems highly unlikely that any item of interest, especially one which is undamaged would have escaped scavengers and treasure hunters (coffee cup???) over more than half a century since the crash.
I thought exactly the same.
I'm confused . Did we have a different relationship with Canada back then or something? They are our closest allie today. I have traveled to Canada from the USA many times and I feel at home every time. đșđČđšđŠ
And I love Timeline but 3 men in their club are not going to find evidence of anything. The government would have taken or destroyed it.
It's like we're all in the same family (allies) but even cousins fight and keep secrets from each other.
it seems more likely to me that the concern was how remote it was and how comparatively easy it would be for a foreign nation to inspect their state of the art weapons (and associated systems). I expect they were more worried about russian special forces than canadians, being reasonably close to the sea in a sparsely populated area.
@Valeria Maya False.
@Valeria Maya No *permanent* enemies or friends, but it seems it's been misattributed to him or he simply repeated it. The quote is seemingly much older:
Lord Palmerston 1784-1865
British statesman; Prime Minister, 1855-8, 1859-65
We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow.
@Valeria Maya correct.
The B-36 was a big SOB. Saw one at Lackland AFB on display, it was my go-to while walking back from the Airman's club.
Why go to all the trouble of going out there and then state that they only have 3 days to examine the site?
The location was not all that remote, at least by Canadian standards. Smithers is a well known town in Northern British Columbia. It is a well known area for hiking, camping, etc.. I hope they got the A-bomb core back. It sounds like they did.
LOL! 50 miles off a highway out there it is remote you cannot snowmobile from Vancouver. BC is huge, like Alps x3 huge.
@31:59 - That there is a Thermite melt.
What was the mission the were on ?
Thanks, Steve
Thank you for this
To all veterans thank u for ur service
Thank you without your support we would be nothing, you are all just as important as we are. Thank you
thank you for destroying the planet and thanks even more for failing at it
You're welcome.
@ Francisco Rodriguez, it is also Remembrance Sunday here in the UK where we commemorate the dead of all the wars the UK and Commonwealth were involved with since WW1. Armistice day was 11/11/1918 and Remembrance Sunday is the nearest Sunday to 11th of November. Today ten thousand people lined the streets in Whitehall to watch the laying of wreaths at the Cenotaph, by
HM King Charles 3 and other members of the Royal family, and from our government and the opposition, and all of the Commonwealth High Commissioners, then there was the short service of Remembrance and then approximately ten thousand of our and Commonwealth veterans marched past the Cenotaph Memorial (designed by Sir Edwin Lutchens and erected in1921 or 22)to pay their respects to those who gave their lives. It was very moving to watch. Sorry this is long winded but people in the US may not know how we in Britain commemorate our war dead at our National memorial.
@@dikburdd2606 LMAO.
I'm surprised I've never heard of this.
I'm surprised you are surprised.
Way too much actual "Intelligence" has never been divulged. All in the name of National Security and International Condemnation. Simple as that!
I'm surprised I've never heard of it because I always watch videos about surprising events which surprise everyone to the surprise of those who already knew.
Early on Iâm thinking đ€ we know what happened. The planeâs engine suffered catastrophic failure and went down with a nuclear weapon. I donât know yet if the weapon is still there . But Iâm thinking no because theyâre letting these guys dig around in there .
With the posture of secrecy at the time, it is very obvious why they blew up the plane. It is also probable that the core was not in board and was delivered via other avenues to keep the whole operation intact and not loose the vital component should an event just as this happen.
Of course families were not told anything! Our Dad was in the Navy and sent to a then undisclosed location in the Pacific. His âofficialâ base later became Subic Bay. Mom knew eventually, or probably figured it out, but we kids didnât know until we were back in the States. But details, not until the 1990âs. Iâm quite certain he took many secrets to his grave.
An excellent example. Dad was a lead mechanic for SAC in post-WWII. In the 50's, he was part of the mechanics recommending which bombers should be scrapped (half of the fleet was phased out as unreliable). Years later he told me someone flipped the paperwork, keeping the ones falling apart and scrapping the ones in good repair. He said the ones remaining would be lucky to drop a nuke w/in miles of their intended target, if they could get that far. He skipped the command chain and reported the "error" but was told it was too late. Things like this never reach the press.
Rest the soul of your father.
To be frank, the early 90's has been the US' peak time in weapona development and due to this, several "mysteries" happened especially in far places. Families notified that their loved ones died of "mysterious" circumstances, only to find out that was not the case.
If your dad's "official" base was Subic, which is just a few kilometers away from where I am at, pretty much he was stationed there most of his stay abroad. Hence it became his official base. But we know circumstances can vary and just hecause Subic was his "official" base doesn't mean he died there at all.
@@mikep490 The press, at that time, was not as keen as they are nowadays. Hence not all details from those times were reported by the press at that time.
Surely if this happened today, the press would've ran the story early on that it will be the Pentagon playing catch up inatead of the other way around.
Im quite certain he enjoyed Subic Bay, I sure as heck did.
I read a book on this made by a small publisher. How the plane did a 180 while on auto pilot so they could start the bail out procedure is weird.
@Janitor Queen Or ignorant on how autopilot works...
@@douglasr2049 probably had to do with where they wanted it to go down ..or possibly the wind , when they bailed out..they don't anything without a reason, I trust they had a purpose
I read that book as well, got it from a used bookstore, 1970 or so.
@@franklinnorth7708 I don't have it anymore so I can't remember the name? I just remember once I started reading it I didn't put it down.
Hincky.
Just error after error... The B36 was not the "largest" bomber ever made. That would be the XB70. Comments made by the so-called "accident evaluation team" (Or words to that effect) only provided more proof that they were NOT experts regarding nuclear weapon or the procedure is utilized with such weapons. To send a bunch of journalists with no no real expertise in neither accident investigation nor nuclear weapons is simply absurd! People assume that Documentaries are based upon legitimate expert input, but this is certainly not the case here. (See my earlier comment.)
Those guys are bona-fide idiots
Seen and held the aircrafts 20mm tailgun in my hands. Heavy af. Wasn't far from where I live it crashed in the mountains.
They didn't have carburetor heaters on those massive engines?.. if I remember correctly they had 2 turbojet or rocket engines on the extreme outboard of each wing..used for takeoff only. 2 burning 6 turning..
That was the later models
Must remember to add "boxcar" to my standard units of volume.
Amazing video, the quality of the animation only gets better everytime! đđ€âš
I would assume the military got the "bird cage" and most likely the core as well.
It's shown in the documentary that some scavenger found the bird cage and the military took it off him.
Never had a real core.
It's like watching those big foot documentaries. It's interesting but obvious, it was top secret tech valuable to the enemy. And the crash site is so big because they blew it up with tnt. And yes explosions were as big as the amount of tnt they used. A lot. Even in 1950s
While constant training is a must, why on Earth would you use an actual nuclear bomb for training, it would have been far less expensive to have a non functional dummy bomb for training and far safer if the trainee screwed up.
Put 2 and 2 together; this weren't no training run, buddy...
@@marktwain368 Right, duh, what was I thinking? I let my mind wander and it did not come back.
Using an actual device for training insures that everything works, from the monitoring equipment to the procedure to actually arm the weapon. Remember, with no "pit" you still have an actual device, just not one capable of a nuclear detonation. In that era, it was quite common to have the weapon and the fissile material arrive separately. They would even go as far as to run empty canisters used to transport Pits all over creation under armed guard, just to make sure that nobody trying to track the pits would know where they ended up.
Even today, the difference between a training missile and a live bird is frequently whether the warhead contains explosives or just weights and filler. This allows the missile to be actually fired and tracked, validating everything from prep to launch procedure to launch equipment to missile guidance.
Surely there must have been a UFO incident buried in this mystery somewhere?
Not knowing is difficult. Bringing light to how easy it may be to retrieve a Broken A, could jeopardize other current missions. It's not malice, it is necessary.
Watching from Greece.hi everybody.
Great documentary.
It still happens. In 2007 there was a BENT SPEAR where a B-52 mistakenly took off with 6 cruise missiles that were armed with live nuclear warheads and flew from North Dakota to Louisiana. There's one never recovered off the coast of Georgia that was a MK 15, One smacked into a town in North Carolina as damaged some buildings. I think there are two that were lost as live weapons that are still out there unrecovered.
There is no such thing as a âlive nuclear bombâ in the free world. Everyone loves a good conspiracy theory.
The MK15 was a model 0. One of a kind.
Scary, you mean no procedures to avoid "Gomer Piles among the crew handling Nukes ?
@@sirvandovargas1182 There are no Gomer Pyles handling Nukes. Anyone who says differently still lives with mommy and daddy.
@@sirvandovargas1182 Gomer Pyles aren't allowed anywhere near these things. People who claim otherwise don't know what their talking about.
Given the photos of other crashed B-36's and the amount of fire damage from the fuel on board all the melted rock and metal was from the fuel. Taking a geiger counter would have been a wise precaution.
Well, the B-36 air-frame was made from magnesium aluminum alloy which if you can get it started is very flammable, burns incredibly hot and can't be put out.
So engine fires spread to the air frame condemning and destroying the aircraft.
"Dirk Scepter" is such a spy name, love it :D
B.S. This aircraft had been found decades before this. Classified equipment had long been removed and some of the equipment was purposely destroyed.
At some point before they detonated the explosives that destroyed the airplane, somebody somewhere knew with almost 100% certainty where that pit was, how it got there, and what happened to it after the crash. They powers that be would never have abandoned that site had there been the slightest chance that the pit was still rolling around that mountain somewhere.
Why do the animations keep showing the B-36 without the jet engines on each wing outboard? Those bombers had such bad time of it in getting off of the ground that the jet engines were added on all of the models from the first run on until the B-36 was replaced by the B-47.
This aircraft was a B-36B, the jet assisted version was the B-36D. There were B-36Ds at the time, just not this one.
Thanks I was going to post this comment too, but did not bother to do the research to answer the question.
I thought I noticed turbine fans in the video when they are surveying the ground wreckage, this would make sense!
Very interesting indeed đ
Enjoyed that a lot
I like to know at 35 minutes where did they get that background music. It's awesome
For the family member asking what harm it could do by answering what really happened... That mission was classified, most likely TS//SCI or equivalent for the 50s, and during the beginning of the Cold War. You are truthfully lucky that no one has said anything one way or another about the full incident as it could have been anything that happened--from a series of bad events with a pilot hoping he could prevent a disaster (which is what we should all hope is the truth), to intentional sabotage by a members of the crew that were hoping to get a payday from the USSR for bringing them a nuke and the bomber. I held a clearance for many years and I can promise that those family members really don't want the full answer and should continue having the hope that their Airmen were heroes, regardless if they were or not.
That would be your little secret ha ha. What kind of clearance did you "hold".
*Epyon Bringer -* As a matter of integrity, the question then arises as to whether it is preferable to live saddled with the truth or unintentionally cling to a declassified lie, quite possibly disseminating that falsehood. My preference would be for the former, however painful, and that is from the perspective of having held among the higher/highest clearances.
*De Oppresso Liber*
How corrupt is the media and government in America today? They murdered thousands in the World Trade Center buildings. Box Cutters, Airplanes, and Fire đ„ had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with collapsing buildings to Dust!
What kind of clearance?
@@456swagger Secret // CENTRIX
No- this wasnât the first time the military has destroyed a vehicle to prevent it from getting in to an enemieâs hands, nor will it be the last.
Not in enemy hands if it is on the B.C./Alaska border. Canada is a NORAD partner and is capable of keeping secrets!
@@marktwain368 True, but people have eyes everywhere.
The explosion at the site was so big, because they used the explosives They had to destroy the bomb which had its own explosives inside. When both were added together, it made for an explosion that destroyed the plane, and they walked away with the core.
All of what you said is valid except the last. There is no concrete evidence they walked away with the core - but I think they did too.
@@teebosaurusyou depleted and U235 are not the same...Was clearly stated that this uranium chamber is depleted.
Depleted uranium is a by-product of enrichment of natural uranium to make nuclear fuel. It is less radioactive than naturally occurring uranium as it contains less of the fissionable material U-235.
No huge crater is strange if so.
They lost one in North Carolina too
Where? What's that story?
@@deborahdean8867 Goldsboro NC 1960s I know I grew up there lol, used to ride my mountain bike to the site which was pretty much forgotten even in the 90s rusty chain link fence in the sticks, if you know the history pretty cool, the old timers showed me where it was at
@@williamhilbert8324 how did it get there?
@@deborahdean8867 look up Goldsboro NC broken arrow
@@williamhilbert8324 My grandmother was from Goldsboro and I know the spot. I suspect that most people who drive down Big Daddy's road in Faro assume that the clump of trees in the middle of that field is an old cemetery or a wet spot where the combine kept getting stuck that was allowed to grow up, NOT the resting spot of a Mark 39 nuclear bomb.
If we were simulating and training why not have a training bomb? This makes no sense from my limited understanding
Why they blew it up is easy considering the time. There was a lot of top secret gear aboard.
Depleted Uranium is used all the time in armor piercing projectiles. Hardly a âdirty bombâ⊠Makes for great TV drama though.
43:40 LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
9:40 mega pints of expensive
One can always read a lot or too much into the overarching principle when it comes to nuclear weapons: Secrecy.
We simply do not need to know.
@@jamieblanche257Snowden gave Russia 70,000,000 secrets. Who knows what Trump shared.
@@maxsmith695 traitors, the pair o them.
@@jamieblanche257 The Snowden story made and makes no sense if you assume his version of being a Robinhood is true. When you assume Snowden WAS a tipped off spy, who was lucky enough to get away, it makes perfect sense. Snowden gets an A+ for acting, in the role of Robinhood, fooling many Americans as the 'young patriot who only wanted to tell Americans the truth ' ,as he steals 70,000,000 secret NSA files. Glenn Greenwald published Snowden's " inside " story, that of being a patriot and Robinhood. Greenwald fooled many folks who were watching. The drama was well choreographed. Greenwald moved to Brazil before writing his story.
31:00 why does that guy say it has enough depleated uranium to make the worlds first dirty bomb?
Why would a nuke have depleated uranium? Itâs my understanding the mk4 is an implosion type plutonium one, maybe an enriched uranium tamper but depleated? đ€
Why would somebody use Depleted Uranium to make a "Dirty Bomb" in the first place? Much nastier stuff is available for use if you wanting to "salt" a conventional explosion.
These docs are made by idiots and filled with disinformation
did you listen to how the bomb was made? the chamber that held the plutonium core, was made from depleted uranium.
@@-TalonMedia- đđ educate yourself before you comment!
@@-TalonMedia- The flaw here is that a "Dirty Bomb" containing depleted uranium would be no more deadly than one containing lead or mercury.
Depleted uranium is just slightly more radioactive than the uranium ore that it came from. The only time that it would be dangerous to handle would be if you aspirate fine particles or ingest it.
If you are worried about the radioactivity of uranium, you may always employ suitable shielding and wrap it in a piece of notebook paper...It's an Alpha emitter.
Such a remote place that a plane wreck has only been visited twice in 70 years.
NO, It is not that remote - by Canadian standards. Souvenir hunters have been there. That little copter couldn't have more than 250 miles range, probablty less - so 125 miles minus the fuel safety amount, 90 miles at best one way. I just looked up bush planes that are used in REMOTE areas of Canada, only a few have a range of less than 1000 miles. They fly into remote areas.
Given there was/is no evidence of a death nor remains at the site, it was never protected as a 'historic' site until the Cdn. Govn't eventually got involved because of all the treasure hunters.
Previous decades especially saw local helicopter services (supporting natural resource exploration and such) salvaging anything of size or interest from the site - such as gun turrets, detonators, birdcage, anything - even for scrap metal.
Has been visited DOZENS of times.
Regardless of where you work, no one will ever tell you the truth because it will admit guilt, complicity, or a large settlement if the fam. Decides to sue. Same thing applies for Nursing, which follows a lot of the safety precautions used in the airline industry.
Rest in peace to the brave men who carried these bombs and kept the world safeâïžđșđž
yo thx, was nothing reallyâŠjust another day
whats crazy is you seem to think corp amerikkka keeps people safe..its the exact opposite. the amerikkkan coup machine is evil.
@@Dirka41 you do realize it's possible to appreciate American airmen/soldiers/sailors/marines/etc without glorifying the foreign policy of the US government...right? do you see me praising the NSA/FBI/CIA/DOD/DHS/etc?
â@@sergeant_salty Well said!!!â€
The key issue behind ANY decision by the USAF or SAC is 'readiness'. Command is always asking the question: do we have the capability to perform our primary purpose for existing? Are our weapons systems up to the task? Are our personal up to the task? ANY event that throws a cloud over these questions is going to be more sensitive, than the whereabouts and status of every nuclear weapon in service. One look at the cabin of the B36 and itâs obvious that the craft was not an operational weapons system. The huge number of gauges scream experimental rig. It was pushed into full production by people too scared of the enemy: to wait for the likes of the B52.
The B36 was too complex, too heavy and too slow to operate in a conventional theatre of war. It was a stop gap piston engine stratofortress, that should never have left the drawing board. The gap between the strategic purpose of this weapons system on paper, and the reality in the air is vast. Just imagine the wavers that were needed to green light these planes on a daily basis!!!!
The internal and external politics of this weapons system stink, and the personal were the meat in the sandwich. But how do you evaluate the risks of a suicide weapon?
Indeed the B-36 was short lived and replaced by the B-47 which was also short lived and to be replaced by the still in service B-52. The B-36 looked really cool with in flight scenes in the film âStrategic Air Commandâ. The 36 was already obsolete when the film hit the box office.
This is one of the best documentary about nukes. Thanks for sharingđ
Probably because they feared a Soviet spy team would come to research the plane , maybe act as campers or hikers .
I lived in Goldsboro, North Carolina for a few years. The Air Force Base there, Seymore Johnson,was both a SAC and a TAC base I do believe. A B-52 came down crashing into the coastal swamps and the A-Bomb it was carrying has never been recovered. The Army has a large base close by, Ft Bragg (home of the Green Berets) plus the Marine base, Camp Lejuene. The state's only deep harbors are Morehead City and Wilmington ,Michael Jordan's hometown and close to where his father was murdered.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the contaminated water law suits now 2022 at Camp Jejune !
if they recovered it, wouldn't that itself be classified, too?
The bomb was a practice bomb with an inert core but the design of the explosive lens was a huge secret. I think the guys thought they had a live bomb on board but I don't believe that is the case I also think the plane was designed to fail with the actual mission being to see how the crew would handle the situation abd if they knew it was a test they would have behaved as such so they were lied to for test results
there would be no way the US government would let that plane and its cargo just sit there for years. Im sure there was a secret mission within days to go and get anything and everything of nuclear importance.
I absolutely love the pride of the survivors, this is how we should always operate. No matter how much time has past, there are things that shouldn't be talked about for national security.
Also I don't think USAF would leave anything behind in a wreckage that could compromise intelligence. Point being, I wouldn't expect much except a bunch of junk \ garbage left behind on the mountain.
@MOONLâĄïžGHT LOVE đ Stupid cow
@MOONLâĄïžGHT LOVE đ thank you. Always good to find others that are paying attention and finding understanding. They still have classified/hidden info from the so called civil war. Why, unless they prove it was not what we were told as we now know to be the case. Our enemies have all the info on this flight so the information is being hidden from us because it exposes the truth not military secrets. Best Wishes
Here we go , another one
Agreed. Some things shouldn't be talked about.
Damn right.
More than likely they found the bomb casing intact and then blew it up. There was a large amount of conventional explosives in those early A bombs 3 tonnes. Place some small amount of additional explosives and detonate it no more plane and no more bomb system. You could backpack out the nuclear core fairly safely. Though it was stated that they jettisoned the bomb at sea. If so the impact would have ignited the remaining fuel on board.
@@teebosaurusyou The shell of uranium was arround the nuclear pit which would be removed from the bomb and placed or stored in the pit cage. The mark 4 was a fission bomb, that was an upgrade to the early plutonium bombs with a levitated pit that had a small shell of uranium 238 that was removed with the plutonium/uranium 235 pit. It's only thermonuclear bombs that had a large non removable uranium 238 damper to reflect neutrons and enhance the fusion reaction. There is evidence that it was only a practice core assembly, that is a lead dummy. The surviving crew also stated to they witnessed the release of the bomb and its detonation at altitude of its conventional explosives with the lead dummy training pit.
Picked off the ocean floor by the maxwell sub co.
At the beginning when he said they blew it up I knew they wouldn't find anything groundbreaking about the bomb the rest was a total waste of time
Nice video with informative historical video about loss of a US nuclear bomb Number ( 075 )....thanks for sharing....
If a nuclear bomb detonated on the seabed, the tsunami it would create would be quite something!
I have no idea if a nuclear bomb could survive a crash into the surface or the pressure at ocean depths (obviously dependant on which part of the ocean wreckage sinks).
Given the passing decades without any lost nuclear bombs self detonating, may we assume that they're safe from ever doing so...
Nuclear weapons are actually very safe from detonation. Several very specific things have to happen, and in the right order, to cause a nuclear yield. While it may not âsurviveâ (read that as ârecoverableâ) to be returned to service, it wonât detonate by accident
Edit: to qualify my comment; I worked on nukes in the 80s in the Air Force
Absolutely safe! After all this time the Plutonium 239 core would be brittle from the Helium inclusions (alpha radiation decay) and would no longer work properly without recycling the material (melting and reforming, etc.) The all important neutron trigger would definitely no longer function. Needless to say that the electronic arming and firing system would would be toast
@@jimbutkeah thatâs good to know, I live across from Fairchild AFBs explosive disposal/storage đ
Obviously you have never watched footage of the more powerful bikini blast which was a hydrogen bomb that was detonated in the South Pacific and had no tsunami whatsoever, just a vertical column of water in the mushroom cloud
remember over the years ice and snow may have moved MUCH of the debris from its resting place at the time of impact.
There is a decent film heavily featuring the B-36 starring James Stewart, "Strategic Air Command".
James Stewart is a hero of mine, he was a real (and brave) WW2 bomber pilot in Europe flying B24s, ending as a Colonel, the continued in the reserve, even qualified to fly B52s. They don't make 'em like that anymore, sadly!
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In the above film the B36s engines burst into flames, so quite accurate :)