Fixing Bally's 1977 EVEL KNIEVEL Pinball Machine! - Schematics, Power Supply, Fuses

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  • čas přidán 29. 11. 2020
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Komentáře • 84

  • @joshsorheim
    @joshsorheim Před 3 lety +17

    In less than one year of watching this channel, I’ve gotten addicted to pinball machines,fixed 3 of them and now own 2! Way more fun and useful than my college degree. 😂

    • @joshsorheim
      @joshsorheim Před 3 lety

      @@ThePoxun yeah they do take up a lot of my living room now. 😂 Fixing them is almost as much fun for me as playing them now!

  • @jdumbrigue
    @jdumbrigue Před 3 lety +11

    I cannot thank you guys enough for getting her up and running again! Kids play on it almost daily! Pinball is the cure for getting kids off video screens! Yep, my soldering skill have atrophied in the 15 years since I last had to do any soldering.

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Před 3 lety +1

      You did pretty good, don’t sweat it. I think the main problem was the filter cap on the solenoid board but glad to hear it’s working well!

    • @yesitreallyisme
      @yesitreallyisme Před 3 lety +1

      Look after her and great to hear kids are playing her.

    • @jdumbrigue
      @jdumbrigue Před 3 lety +1

      @@yesitreallyisme Will do! I looked for one at a reasonable price for about 3 years. It's my mid-life crisis buy, my wife got off cheep! I will probably do a playfield swap using a repo from Classic Playfield Reproductions in a year or so. Leaving the box alone as the wife likes the "antique" look.

    • @yesitreallyisme
      @yesitreallyisme Před 3 lety +1

      @@jdumbrigue If it was me and I lived near Ron, I would ask him to fix the playfield instead of repo, it's only original once, or if you do go down the repo way keep that one safe somewhere.

    • @jdumbrigue
      @jdumbrigue Před 3 lety +1

      @@robertlipsett2535 That was plan A till I replaced the rubbers and found that several of the post holes were "repaired" using toothpicks and wood glue. I could probably drill them out and repair them properly with wooden dowels. It would be less expensive for sure.

  • @simondempsey1
    @simondempsey1 Před 3 lety +3

    Ron i love the way you systematically work through these machines, showing us how to fault find. These machines can scare the living day lights out or us when there is a problem, but just start at the beginning and work your way through, simples! I've learnt a lot from you since watching this year.

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Před 3 lety

      Glad to hear it! They just look daunting they’re actually pretty simple once you mess with them a little bit ... see you on the next video Simon!

  • @lobsterman5786
    @lobsterman5786 Před 3 lety +3

    Love these videos! These will be historical archives many will replay long after both me and you go off to that giant arcade in the sky!

  • @douglasquaid4518
    @douglasquaid4518 Před 3 lety +2

    if it gives you a hard time Joe you can always launch it across snake river canyon lol

  • @dave1135
    @dave1135 Před 3 lety +3

    That's one thing I've learned as a automotive driveability tech working with circuit boards and computer modules, just because it's new in the box, doesn't mean it works. I've got lots of new modules from the parts department at the dealership I worked at, and while the old module would work, but had a issue, lots of times I've plugged a new one in and have it be completely dead.

  • @4ngu54110tt
    @4ngu54110tt Před 3 lety +1

    I agree with Joey... 'We're gonna go with it.' 😊

  • @tcb8295
    @tcb8295 Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks for another great video Ron. Watch out for those intermittant pinball gremlins...

  • @SpearM3064
    @SpearM3064 Před 3 lety +1

    Love that little slip of the tongue at 34:35. "They all taste the same"? Somehow, I don't think that's how you're supposed to get your recommended daily allowance of iron. ;^)
    Nicely done, Ronnie. I dropped a few quarters into this one too, back in the day. It's nice to see one that's been so well kept.

  • @toddament8035
    @toddament8035 Před 3 lety +4

    Same problem on Lost World with fuse blowing on start up, turned out it was the diode on the knocker solenoid. The only reason I found it easily was the game quit when someone got a replay.

  • @vincediesil
    @vincediesil Před 2 lety

    Thumbs up as requested at the start. While I love this pinball machine, I have a DESIRE for that Time Crisis 3 machine. I PUT SO MUCH $ into that thing back in the day :)

  • @nathanbelnap9670
    @nathanbelnap9670 Před 3 lety +2

    Here we go again!! Glad to see this, thanks Ronnie and Joe!

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Před 3 lety

      Thanks for watching Nathan, hope you enjoy it :)

  • @Caldron
    @Caldron Před 3 lety +1

    57:50
    *HE'S ALRIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!*
    There's a distinctive charm in many of the Bally's old pinball machines that is almost gone these days. Happy to see this being repaired.
    Keep up the good work Ron! Whenever this whole lockdown crap's gone, i'd love to visit the store in person, and perhaps get something from it!
    Best regards from Mexico!

  • @yesitreallyisme
    @yesitreallyisme Před 3 lety +5

    Yes Ron, the one I've been waiting for, looks sweet.

  • @MattMcIrvin
    @MattMcIrvin Před 3 lety +1

    When I was a kid in northern Virginia, our neighborhood pizza place always had a pinball machine, and for a while this was it! (I think they had a Captain Fantastic at some point.)

  • @Roadsurfer2k11
    @Roadsurfer2k11 Před 3 lety +1

    Great vid.. you actually helped me track down why my mpu board wasn't lighting up from this vid when you were calling out voltages on rectifier. I thought it was my driver but I found my 12v F3 fuse blown on rectifier. Now to figure out why. It goes to J3 which is backboard (and why I couldn't get 5v test on driver board). So I guess I'll start what u did checking wires and coils first.
    Kings of steel 83 bally

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Před 3 lety +1

      Your timing is pretty good, today's video we did on a Bally KISS goes over the rectifier board and the solenoid board and problems you might run into with them, ours has the 12v missing too.

    • @Roadsurfer2k11
      @Roadsurfer2k11 Před 3 lety

      @@LyonsArcade quick question.. looks like I definitely have some cold solder joints on this jumper pins. Do you heat, take the strip off, removed solder and reapply? Or just dab a bit more solder to each pin and just let the heat reflow?

  • @toddjohnson5692
    @toddjohnson5692 Před 2 lety +1

    This was one of two games that paid for my video game/pinball habit. I could rack up 10 or so free games in about 15 minutes, then 'sell' it to someone for 50 cents (one play was 25 cents then where I played)

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Před 2 lety +1

      They enacted laws in many places trying to keep people from doing that, like you were some kind of gangster, lol Thanks for watching Todd!!

    • @toddjohnson5692
      @toddjohnson5692 Před 2 lety

      @@LyonsArcade Yeah I was in school and other kids would start to gather, hoping I had to go back to class so they could grab it. Sometimes they said they'd give me a dollar to quit and I'd say 'sure, here you go'. It wasn't my favorite game, but I had all the shots/timing figured out.

  • @jb-dt8gz
    @jb-dt8gz Před 2 lety

    nice work

  • @andymouse
    @andymouse Před 3 lety

    Nice one Ron !...cheers.

  • @TheGnomestead
    @TheGnomestead Před 3 lety +2

    Next to Kiss my all time fav 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 Thanks man!

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks for hanging out with us!

    • @TheGnomestead
      @TheGnomestead Před 3 lety

      @@LyonsArcade not much else going on up here in winter so your stuck with me ;)

  • @InMyHead
    @InMyHead Před 3 lety

    I played this one in Ashevile too looking forward to this series

  • @theoldar
    @theoldar Před 3 lety +1

    That's a beauty!

  • @thadseeberger3061
    @thadseeberger3061 Před 3 lety +2

    One thing to check which I did not see you do is the flipper eos switches, if it does not open when the flipper actuated the heavy winding will blow main solenoid fuse if flipper held up.

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Před 3 lety +2

      Luckily we'll check that in the next video (which we shot a month ago)

  • @dvv45
    @dvv45 Před 3 lety

    Thumbs up! Want one!

  • @greglilly3866
    @greglilly3866 Před 2 lety

    Very well done methodical troubleshooting. I'm assuming that you either re-attached the wires for the lock-out coil or at least sealed / covered the ends of the wires?? Specifically, the blue / green one. That's the 43VDC coil buss. I'm betting that was at least part of the problem with the 43V fuse blowing. If that wire touched any part of the metal frame of the coin door... POOF!! I didn't see in the video if you took care of those loose wires, but it definitely looked like that wire had the potential to short to the metal in the door.

  • @ManicMender
    @ManicMender Před 3 lety +1

    @Joe's Classic Video Games at 20:09 in the video, look at the connections on E7, they appear loose, and with cold solder joints. Just a heads up, looks like a future issue.

  • @senilyDeluxe
    @senilyDeluxe Před 3 lety +1

    28:36 another reason to use the Testofon (it converts measurement current to audio frequency - does it in real time and no display required). I take like a minute to check out 30 driver transistors on a pinball machine with it (although mine is kinda useless below 50 Ohms, but there is another version for that range, I just don't have it)

  • @Sunsetdrivein
    @Sunsetdrivein Před 3 lety +2

    Did you re-measure the +5 volts *after* changing the main filter capacitor?
    Also, I have had a couple of Alltek Ultimate MPU boards bad out of the box or fail within a week. They took care of it and sent a replacement board.

  • @demofilm
    @demofilm Před 3 lety

    for its age those sides are verry good preserved

  • @harryhall5092
    @harryhall5092 Před 3 lety +2

    Looks like to me that a bunch of noise on the 5 volt line caused it to lock up and blew the fuse to start with. I have see this before on these Bally games!

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Před 3 lety

      I def think the main problem was that filter cap!

    • @DDE100
      @DDE100 Před 3 lety

      @@LyonsArcade Hi, where do you get the filter cap?

  • @diddyman1958
    @diddyman1958 Před 3 lety +1

    Thumb up for the cheek of your request :)

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Před 3 lety

      I forgot to edit that out lol

    • @gorillaau
      @gorillaau Před 3 lety

      @@LyonsArcade I think you may have gotten away with it. I thought it was pretty funny and very honest.

  • @TK-wz1io
    @TK-wz1io Před 3 lety +1

    Could the power wire going to the coin door solenoid short to the grounded metal on the coin door and cause the 5A fuse to blow? It looked like those wires were still stripped back on the ends. Another great video. I learned a lot. Thanks!

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Před 3 lety

      Yes that could do it :)

    • @jdumbrigue
      @jdumbrigue Před 3 lety +1

      They oringally had wire nuts on them, must have falling off in the transportation to Joe's. I have heat shink'd them since Ron fixed her.

    • @TK-wz1io
      @TK-wz1io Před 3 lety

      @@jdumbrigue nice, thanks for the clarification. 👍🏻

  • @toddament8035
    @toddament8035 Před 3 lety +1

    I had one. Still regret selling it.

  • @Blacklab412294
    @Blacklab412294 Před 2 lety

    To bad you don't have a way to check all the diodes for them to be blown. Both the rectifier diodes and the single reverse biased diode across the coils. Also check the resister across the Bridge Rectifier, including VR1 (red disk thing on the old board) & R3(which the symbol on the diagram is a Varistor/MOV). I am confused why nobody cleaned the old board with circuit board cleaner spray. I have watch dust conduct electricity, and also hide bad traces, or solder bridges. Also some of those solder Joints looked to be cold solder joints- they don't work too well.

  • @waynegram8907
    @waynegram8907 Před 3 lety

    JOES CLASSIC, on the schematic the bridge rectifier has an R1 resistor that is across the bridge rectifier, what is that resistor doing across the bridge rectifier? I have seen that often in power supply schematics. The flashing code was saying the PIA chip is bad, but it seems to fix itself?

    • @petermichaelgreen
      @petermichaelgreen Před 3 lety

      I would assume the resistor is to make sure the capacitors discharge properly when the system is turned off.

  • @MrMotorNerd
    @MrMotorNerd Před 2 lety

    Mate love ya Transformer - rectifier board upgrade . What brand of bard is that please . I have a 78 Six Million Dollar Man , Cheers

  • @CrazyMan_Engineer
    @CrazyMan_Engineer Před 3 lety +1

    I noticed that the general illumination dims when you use the flippers. Is that normal?.

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Před 3 lety

      Did you notice anything else :)

    • @CrazyMan_Engineer
      @CrazyMan_Engineer Před 3 lety

      @@LyonsArcade The intermittent glitch might be a bad solder joint

  • @ocsrc
    @ocsrc Před 3 lety +1

    There is a tool that allows you to attach it to the 2 terminals where the fuse would normally go, and it shows when there is a short, and when the sort is cleared.
    I saw an HVAC guy use it to track down a short and he said he uses it instead of having to keep putting in fuses.
    Once it shows that the short is cleared he knows it is safe to put a new fuse in.
    Anyone know what that tool is called and where to get one ?
    Thanks
    Bill in Quakertown PA
    KC2OVX

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Před 3 lety +1

      A gentleman on here named Troxel just mailed me some of those, I'll show them off in one of our Jukebox videos that is coming out this week!

    • @ocsrc
      @ocsrc Před 3 lety

      @@LyonsArcade I bet the device reads the ohms and it must have a battery in it to self power it and I think there's a light on it that tells either it has a short or the short has been fixed
      It's a great tool to have so that you're not constantly blowing fuses and risking damage

  • @thomasmickle7289
    @thomasmickle7289 Před 3 lety +1

    Ron, can you explain the solenoid bus line? Does it just carry the solenoid power? For some reason I always thought bus carried data. Thanks

    • @LyonsArcade
      @LyonsArcade  Před 3 lety

      Yes it’s just the power

    • @alanmusicman3385
      @alanmusicman3385 Před 2 lety

      In electrical terms a "bus" just means a shared connection highway for something. Might be a single wire (as in a power bus) or might be a multi-wire bus (as in computers). Essentially though a bus is something that runs around a place (a machine, a room, a data centre) and is tapped into by multiple users who draw something from it, or push something onto it.

    • @thomasmickle7289
      @thomasmickle7289 Před 2 lety

      @@alanmusicman3385 Thanks for that explanation!

  • @robertlipsett2535
    @robertlipsett2535 Před 3 lety

    you definitely showed an example of why you don't fix a lot of problems at once with that rectifier board. that board had that hard short to gnd but if you had changed a lot of things since that board was new would have made it one of the last things to check but originally the old one was good and you made a compound error though I don't understand why the game was originally blowing out the fuse if all you had was low logic voltage because of a bad cap

  • @williamsudbrink4187
    @williamsudbrink4187 Před 3 lety

    Nothing worse than a ghost in the machine!

  • @jeffo881
    @jeffo881 Před 3 lety

    Gremlins

  • @martywolfman
    @martywolfman Před 3 lety +2

    Ron '...so it could be something really simple '
    *me notices that there is still 56 mins of video left to watch*
    Yeah. I dont think it's something simple.

  • @ocsrc
    @ocsrc Před 3 lety +1

    Long-Long-Short-Long
    -- -- . --
    Q in morse code