LOW $ TURBO HONDA B18A (NON VTEC TURBO)
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2020
- FULL BOOSTED DYNO RESULTS. WHY WE LOVE VTEC. LOW $, CXRACING TURBO KIT. WE CALL IT BTEC? Non-VTEC motors need love too! Check out this test where we add boost to a non-VTEC B18A/B Integra. WE ALLKNOW THE VTEC MOTORS RESPOND WELLTO BOOST, BUT WHAT ABOUT NON VETEC MOTORS? Will the Non-VTEC motors respond well to low-buck boost? THE ONLYTHING BETTER THAN BOOST IS LOW-BUCK BOOST. What else is necessary besides the turbo kit to make boost work? Why does everyone secretly wish their motor had VTEC?
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The .63ar turbine seems to be the most popular, I ran a Turbonetics t3t4 .63 on my first turbo build. I really didn't like how late it spooled (4500 rpm) it was like a switch. I'm running a .48ar now and it will make 16psi at 2500 (if you want). It is definitely limited to the 270-300 whp range but I love how responsive it is. This is on a stock rod and piston b18b1 with head studs and its been boosted for about 5 years! Love it!
I have a question I have been wanting to boost my b18b1 and ive seen a lot of people saying I would need to add a better vent for the crank is that true? Im only wanting to run around 10 to 15 psi
@@randomstuff159 you can boost up to ten psi on stock block
@@waynejordan7473I’ve been @ 13lbs for 10 years
You cover every engine combination and test everything. That’s awesome! I’m an ls guy and swapped my first ls cam this weekend in my 5.3 . It’s got some chop for a stage 1 summit cam. It’s awesome! I love learning about Honda engines too. Keep it up Richard!
how was doing the swap??
@@Ws6Ms It was straight forward. I've been reading and researching for the last year. I had the heads rebuilt, swapped in new rocker arms with trunnion upgrade, and new push-rods. Also replaced the lifters and buckets while the heads were off. So going for the cam swap was a no brainer. The first startup scared me as it ran really rough for a few minutes then leveled out.
I just did a cam swap myself and looking for tuning advice. Got any to offer?
fiendwithout I don’t have much advice to offer, I’m going to a local tuner to get a “street tune” in the next few weeks. They are a GM and Vette specialty tuning shop. The timing at idle is hunting a little on my truck but it’s drivable and doesn’t die at quick stops. I’ll end up with hp tuners this summer, but need it tuned quicker than I could become proficient at tuning. I have a comprehensive scan tool and have been watching how the pcm is trying to maintain idle rpm.
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Uncle Tony at UTG lIkes your channel and says he sees you’re having fun!
Great stuff. Thanks for posting this. I love how you take a topics and speak to the individual strengths of a particular configuration. There may be other options that are better in different ways but you leave it to the viewer to decide what they want to do. Keep making these and we'll keep watching! Be safe!
As always you are just great you seem to know what's in my driveway!!! I got my 69 mercury and a b18a in my Integra. thanks for helping us to boost the world!
You're knocking it out of the park with all of these Honda videos! Please do more K24 videos. PLEASE!
That 1.8 makes more power then our suburban. Nice i like the build what you got mentality. Alot of guys modifing there cars would do well to watch you vids
makes more power than my stock gen v 454 too
And just for the record, this is the absolute best thing hands down on you tube!
Mate your hand talking skills are off the dial haha.
Cool videos man, keep it real. God Bless.
BTEC!!! I really enjoy this Honda stuff thrown in for flavor. Be sure to check out some Toyota and Nissan stuff too!
Another great video Richard!
How about testing flywheel hp vs wheel horsepower on various power levels? Take a combo run at multiple power levels on the engine dyno and run those same combos in a vehicle. The old 15% for manual and 20% for auto power loss just doesn't make sense because if a drivetrain was sucking up 20% of 1200 crank hp that would be an astronomical amount of heat generated inside a transmission or rear end. I feel like it takes a certain amount of the power to turn the components but the majority of the loss is fixed. I could see a small amount of loss that increases with power because of the effect of inertia when making more power because the rate speed of the rpm sweep is higher.
Best channel ever for people who love all power plants!
CROME - Wow!! John Cui I haven’t heard that reference in many years.. Good Stuff!!
Been a Honda/Acura owner/builder since about 02 and you can't compare no damn b series VTEC to Boost man I'm not hatin I'm just saying there are many b series non VTEC setups outrunning VTEC setups all day no boost it's all about the setup and tune on these motors but informative video
you need to do more research
Love the test, it's nice to see what a little bit can do to wake up these underrated power plants. My buddy had a 2nd gen crx with a b18b and an ihi gm8 turbo. It's what we had and we made it work. It only really ran well at full throttle but it was mental fast, this was 15 years ago.
This turbo looks strange, the boost curve where it doesn't come up to full boost by 5k, even 7psi at 4k looks pretty slow to me. I know inertial dynos don't entirely represent road loading, but the compressor looks oversized or the exhaust oversized or both for this combo. It looks like it would work way better on a bigger engine.
I know it came as part of a kit, but a 45trim T04e with a .48 turbine still gives you some overhead on flow. The smaller turbine will definitely help spool.
That turbo actually looks really good for a vtec b18, you can shift it way higher, and the slog up to boost wouldn't be nearly as noticeable because of the different gearing the b18c cars have and the engine would stay in boost after a shift.
Thanks for the test, real world examples like this give good information
Need to see an NA or NB Miata test with a CX, or other cheap turbo kit.
I was literally thinking on doing this to my 90 integra for street use!
Thanks for the info sir 🔥very knowledgeable ❤️
Awesome. Do you have any more B18B stuff? Maybe some videos on building a nice street engine would be relevant.
I know these test made are maybe ”couple” of years old, but gives at least for me a good baseline.
Where I get to improvements:
Long tube turbo header (equal length would be the best)
With a good quality merge collector (venturi collector would be that)
With a short tube after the collector and before turbo flange, would made possible to use even smaller turbine/housing for earlier spool up at lower rpm, widening the useful powerband and minimizing backpressure, and would even flow more on top rpm’s.
The engine would (probably) make more power on less boost too, as we can learn on many todays tuners tests too.
I’ve been arguing at these topics from the years of being at the “tech school” at 2005 with a simple manner of approach saying
“you can cram all the air to the engine, but you need to get it out from there too, that’s called the effiency of the turbo system, as the usual manifolds and turbine housings are restricting flow”
And when ever I was referring a mechanical charger systems better on that spot and any else, the teachers kicked me out of the classroom, cause I was disturbing the “teaching” when the real reasons were that they’re couldn’t argue with me atleast a way they would be right on those topics.
So I naturally stopped that “school”, as they could not teach me, when I was teaching them. And it was so sad cause one teacher had worked on top fuel dragster team’s mechanic, and I really thought that atleast him would notice the facts. But no, he was all in the turbos, with learning material from the 80’s with Saabs turbo system which was the notorious “3000rpm turbo kick and pulling stops at the 5500rpm” as I owned one myself and drove severals. 😁
So I can see all the “problems” at this setup just from the dyno curves.
And I sure know many people won’t maybe agree with me, but yeah, I’m all in the flow of engine type guy, so these are just facts on my “books” 😊
Tuner alert! 1991 Sentra stripped + GTiR SR20vet + n1 cams + MSD rpm switches + Disco potato= the most fun every.
great real world test. I guess the only thing this really highlights about the cheap turbo kits is how long they take to build full boost. Not seeing full boost to past 5000RPM is not really ideal.
Back in the day (and event today) this would be a good and driveable combo. The advantage with a more gradual rising boost curve is more predictable power delivery.
Btec + big cam = fun ( plus no oil pressure issues )
Richard, love your channel. Great information. Here is a test for you - how much power and what kind of torque curve can you make on 87 octane pump gas on a turbo LS? Everytime I see the fuel price difference right now between regular and premium in my daily driver that regular gas looks good. I know you like E85 - but I thought the challenge might peak your interest?
Budget Hondas don't get the credit they deserve. a D motor with some Vitara slugs in it will surprise a lot of people in terms of output.
So impressive the amount of HP gains on the 4cly’s. What would be the difference in HP and Tq between the Japanese and German 4cly’s. Like the Audi 2.0 or similar?
VTEC=Variable Valve Timing & Lift Electronic Control
BTEV=BASIC Valve Timing & Lift Electronic Control
I would love to see a video on the Chevy 2.2l and the old 2.5l iron duke.
Richard, would an increase in piston ring gap would also increase the amount of fuel going into the oil? Would you change the oil more often to prevent spinning a bearing?? After 500, 1000, 2000 miles??
hey richard, have you ever thought of a big bang on a honda j series? that would be an interesting one to see. or maybe a honda L series motor, given they are a turboed in the new si civics. great stuff.
You got any videos of the "single jingles" otherwise known as the Honda D series single cam? I have really seen some of those put down some power.
Yes, there is at least one.
He just did one on cx racing kit
I was running 21psi on mine haha 😂
Just put some VTEC killer cams in or maybe a little less extreme lobe with a 8650-8800rpm max limit before it starts to drop off. I think VTEC killer cams can go above 9000rpms. But they're obnoxiously loud. A little less lobe would quiet it down a bit but you'd still be in VTEC all the time. And a smaller cam killer lobe would have a lot better drivability at lower RPM's. But a nice turbo would make a great equalizer.
Can't wait get my Hyundai turbo Tiburon v6 dyno tune hopefully it makes good power with stock engine then later on add Cams.
I seen you had an interest in the Honda f series. I have an f22a non vtec that makes 350whp at 6800rpm and makes 200whp by 4250rpm
Peek tq of 298ft lbs at 5500rpm and 185ft lbs by 3500 rpm
It's got a tiny turbo on it so you can probably get a but more work there proper turbo on them.
Have you done anything with vvt on the ls stuff? Maybe MAST Motorsports can get you an ECU.
Will you be doing a SS2 vs. the world with a turbo? For some reason I thought it was coming after the N/A test.
Loved your intro. I'm running a turbo miata and I am not about to go spend a ton of cash on a "better" motor. I get tired of the v8 miata guys claiming that "it's not that expensive to put a v8 in a miata". BS. Jeremy over at fasterproms said it cost him more to put a v8 in his miata than the cost of his C6 Z06. That's a lot of money! OR I can put 300-400 hp on my miata with a NICE turbo, upgraded studs on the motor, cam and springs, upgraded clutch, big wheels and tires, upgraded suspension for less than $10k AND I don't have to weld anything!
Got any Honda A20s kicking around? Big bang one of those!
We need another big bang !
Richard what's the longegivity of life on something like this engine running at 18psi on stock internals? Is it a fair assumption that if you can't break it on a dyno then you'll have trouble breaking it on the road?
What would happen if u advanced cam timeing 2 or 3 degrees would it get n the boost sooner and peek sooner and then rev to maybe 7k and not drop off as much as it did at 7500
300 hp at the tires in a 2400 pound car is 800+ crank in a new Camaro. These little things are NO JOKE.
Hoping some day to see you give Toyotas some love. Even if I have to send you mine once it's built lol.
The uz and ur are amazing engines. Best dohc v8s out there
Love the 1uz. Looking at putting one in my spare A70 shell.
Awesome video. Everyone bags on the $800 b20b for having weak cyl walls. Have you ever done b20b with ring gap and boost and see if it will hold like the b18? I'm dropping a b20b into my Honda civic and it would be cool to see what the engine is capable of and not just some inexperienced guys complaining about the b20b while some are highly successful but wont reveal their secrets. Something like a low buck basic build that will last for a little while but still having engines be a dime a dozen. Thank you for the videos.
B20 with boost is fine
B20B is good with low boost
Just a quick question, have you ever done anything with a 2azfe toyota? There is actually quite a big following..
I LOVE IT !!!
Great video as always. I’ve got a stock 91 integra B18A. Any recommendations on turbo kits? I’d like to keep my a/c as well.
Thanks
I have not run many kits-just home built stuff
I need it also I have a 1990 da9 integra
Sooo. Can't you also do a similar thing as far as V8 with what are called Rhoads V Max lifters?
I love a good 4 cylinder engine
I was just sitting here trying to lean all this right before this video was posted
Can you test it with a smaller turbo? See if it can start boosting below 3500rpm.
What kind of fuel pump and injectors would I need, just to run 7 psi...on a Automatic Integra
Looking at the car, it's a 3rd gen Integra so it would've come stock with a B18B1. Should be a 94 rather than a 93 too.
I’m here waiting on the 4.7L Dodge
Lots of people have been swapping their KA24 engines out of the 240s and Nissan D21s for SR20s, RBs, LSs etc.
But a few people have been adding supporting modifications for boost on the old KAs with crazy results, have you ever dug into the KA24 engine?
I hear the decent low end torque is excellent for spoiling a turbo on those engines
As Richard always says. It's just the same, just more
But how much ignition timing do you use on the non vtec
So it did or didn’t have upgraded cams on the otherwise stock engine?
Is like to see the backpressure..
Boost, it's like giving o2 to a mountin climber!
You willing to offer tuning advice? 5.3 cam swap.
Why don’t you do a three valve 4.6 that’s all I have to work with help!!!!
Back in the day my junkyard turbo D16 hatch would beat any b series swap hatch hands down
ls turbos are great cheap motors you can have $20,000 worth of fun for $2000
How you figure 2000$?Ecu and injectors alone will run you about 1500$
skulz1974 exactly those fabled ls swaps for under 2000🤣. Heck I've seen people claim they did the swap for under 1000.
@@skulz1974 you can tune the stock ecu and make a ton of power. Decapped stock injectors will support 600WHP. Yes, you can easily do it for under $2000. Been proven too many times
Nice nice 👌 👍
Richard Holdener Can you run down ring gap, too much vs not enough, rule of thumb (.xxx" or .xx mm material removed per xyz)
We know (hopefully) too little (ring gap)can cause problems.
At what point would laws of diminishing return take effect.
More simple more better.
Have you ever boosted an LT1 with stock ecu?
How much was the kit n link?gotta b18a in my 89 Honda civic.stock for now(have some crower 402 cams)and wanna add the cams +boost🤷
search cx racing turbo kits
I'm going to put some honda V-tec heads on my SBC!
That’s funny because Honda actually did something like that in the early 70s. They shipped an Impala (I think) to Japan and made some cvcc heads for it and it made more power and got way better emission control and fuel economy without using a catalytic converter,all because the head guy at GM said what Honda was doing would only work on small motorcycle type engines,not big V8s,so they did it to prove him wrong.
They did have some aftermarket DOHC heads for SBC and LS for a while. I think Mercury racing still sell there DOHC version of the LS7, make like 700hp NA on 89 pump. It's their casting of a LS block with 4 valve heads. Their bigger engine is based off a BBC with DOHC but I thing it has altered bore spacing and decking.
Richard...logan is in your comments. Read don't click
who is logan
@@richardholdener1727 the "Wanna be friends?" reply below
@@richardholdener1727 it's some bot that is trolling comments sections. There have been allegation of account hacking by interacting with the profile. A couple tech guys have made videos about it, I can't substantiate any claim other than the comment "wanna be friends?" Appears is below every video by time I watch it.
I have non vtec 99 integra gs with about 200k miles. Can i turbo it? And Is it worth the time and money?
yes is always the answer to boost
Rhoads lifters are the original V-tec
Not really, vtec is two totally separate profiles with unique lift, duration, LSA and cam timing. Rhoads lifters are only manipulating lift and duration but an ingenious design none the less.
Can you test a rotary
Just wondering do you have anything on a 4 cylinder ford echo boost
No echo boost
What turbo kit is it exactly link?
Why did the chart say 310 hp when the chart didn't go over 300hp at 18psi?
corrected vs uncorrected
How bout us FE guys, 360 with boost just cause
i have no idea why Dick doesnt have over a mil subscribers.
UHHHMMMM Why did you lump the coyote in on that initial comment?
All these low displacement 4 cyls I still want to see you run an Isuzu 4ZE1 2.6l 4 cyl.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU BOOST A B20VTEC I HEARD THEY HAVE A THIN SLEEVE
The b18b I have is same size sleeve as my cousins b20 but the stroke is different
B18b is 81mm bore.
B20 is 84mm bore.
If you have a b20 marked block with 81mm bore, it has been sleeved.
I don't have vtec but I have VCT
I want a btec sticker for my d15b7 turbo
I had hoped that when Fiat bought Chrysler, that the Hemi would be getting MultiAir.
But, that didn't happen.
If HEMI had DOHC then you can give it Multi-Air, but it does not. plus V8 enthusiasts mostly remove the VVT on their engines anyway.
Duratec! -U10
BTEC YO!
No point in reving pass 6500 RPM o non VTEC motors boosted at low psi.
LSV the best motor Honda never made
... but honda didnt actually make it , my opinion GSR and ITR are better
I understand this post is old but I fear for buying shit cheap items I want to rebuild my 91 integra I have a b18a1 everything stock can someone help me with a build list and such I want to do the most I can and possibly replace rods piston rings rog bolts and bearings have the block decked and honed head resurfaced new cams valves valve springs and retainers valve stem seals port and polish the head get an intake manifold light weight flywheel oil pump . I think that's the list I have for my motor lol. But idk what brands to look for and such, can I get anyone's help
You could've just called it T-Tec
HondaRulez
Hahaha. Btec love it
Don’t forget the 3.8 gtp I want e85!! Lol
Ryan LaBlue you just need nitrous. I ran a 125 dry shot into a 3.1 in a 96 Cutlass. I retarded the timing 4 degrees and that was it. I put it on at 150,000 miles. The transmission blew 9 months later at 182,000 miles and that is running every weekend at the strip and playing on the street too. If you put your nitrous nozzle before your mass airflow sensor and oxygen sensor the engine will add extra fuel. Just run a good or new fuel pump to make sure it supplies the fuel. A factory computer and tune and fuel injectors will only provide so much extra. This was on a 96 car so computers were a little different back then. Now these days the computers will only let in more fuel if it's program too.
Lol. I'm the ignorant v8 guy.
Says b18a in title shows b18b
SAME MOTOR
Not entirely. They have different rod/stroke ratios. The b18a1 has 10 less hp less tq and found Im obd0 or obd1 where as the b1 is obd1 and obd2. The b18b1 also revs a tad bit higher.. Granted it's not a huge difference but if it says b18a1 in the title I expect to see a b18a1.
That kit is a little expensive. Rev 9 or other brands are 700$ less but doesn't come with aluminum rad . Witch is kinda retarded price considering you can get aluminum half rads for 100-150$
Sounds like you are putting Honda in front of the alphabet to me! Ha...
This guy just likes playing in his fort
Non vtec with vtec head is called lsvtec.
Btec started with the Rican Honda guys, v sounds like b when you don't speak English good. No one's calls it that outside that community
Rice Rice Baby!
Love your work Richard but nobody cares about econoshitboxes.
Rice would imply they don’t make power. Cool story though 👌🏻
most 18-25 year old kids are broke and cant afford a $10,000+ muscle car. I got my honda civic used for $700. It's better to modify and race in an econoshitbox than modify and race nothing at all.
@@jordanbest3926 💯💯