7 Things You Might Not Know About Carbon Fiber

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  • Doddy has got 7 facts about Carbon Fibre that you didn't know! Carbon is an awesome material that's allowing the bike industry to develop in ways that wasn't previously possible! Check out the video to learn more...and if you've got some awesome facts that we've missed out, leave them in the comments!
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    Carbon Fiber manufacturing is a labour intensive process that can produce lightweight, complex frames with many different combinations of attributes desirable for bicycles.
    What is a carbon Fiber?
    A Carbon fiber is a long strand of material made from carbon atoms. Thousands of these are spun together to make a yarn, which are then combined with resin to make carbon sheets.
    What's a layup?
    A carbon layup is a combination of these sheets, laid into a mould, usually around a bladder, before being baked or cooked in order to harden them into the frame shape.
    Where is it made?
    Most major carbon bikes come from a handful of state of the art factories in Asia. These factories have been producing carbo fiber bikes and products for decades.
    Sheet and Layup
    The sheets have a uni-directional weave, which lends itself to the ride characteristics of the bike. Ideal carbon frames are stiff, light and dampen shock. A combination of these factors will produce a great bike. All of these factors are in fact controlled by the layup, so the better the layup, the better the bike!
    How strong is it?
    Super strong! Carbon can take a lot of cosmetic damage before becoming compromised and even then can be repaired much easier than other materials!
    Fakes
    As with most things in life, if it looks too good to be true, it probably is! A fake frame will be from a budget knock off mould and will have a fraction of the engineering and development behind it to make it he bike it is!
    Carbon is still being developed as a material! Meaning bikes have got a long way to go to becoming stronger, lighter and more affordable
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  • @GTChucker86
    @GTChucker86 Pƙed 6 lety +108

    Carbon fiber makes everything light especially my wallet

    • @blakecase3885
      @blakecase3885 Pƙed 3 lety

      i know I am kinda randomly asking but do anyone know of a good place to watch newly released tv shows online?

    • @ronaldrohan1679
      @ronaldrohan1679 Pƙed 3 lety

      @Blake Case i would suggest flixzone. Just google for it :)

    • @maximilianjesse2961
      @maximilianjesse2961 Pƙed 3 lety

      @Ronald Rohan Definitely, have been using flixzone for years myself =)

    • @blakecase3885
      @blakecase3885 Pƙed 3 lety

      @Ronald Rohan thank you, I signed up and it seems like a nice service :) I really appreciate it !

    • @ronaldrohan1679
      @ronaldrohan1679 Pƙed 3 lety

      @Blake Case Happy to help :)

  • @tripinfool
    @tripinfool Pƙed 7 lety +35

    Small corrections... Sheets can be unidirectional or multidirectional. Sheets aren't required to be preimpregnated with resin. Sometimes structures are created using the filament winding process (not just laying up sheets of carbon). UV exposure is the bane of epoxy resins' existence, so if scratches are deep enough, you should apply uv resistant paint/clearcoat asap!

    • @trialsted
      @trialsted Pƙed 6 lety +1

      nicely done sir

    • @SKBKER
      @SKBKER Pƙed 6 lety

      UV rays affect the carbon moreso .

    • @alexsharifi742
      @alexsharifi742 Pƙed 6 lety

      Graphite, itself isn't UV averse. Aramid fibers are very averse to UV exposure. The polymers used in creating graphite fibers are what make carbon fiber more susceptible to uv degredation. Infact, there are projects researching the use of graphene as a coating on composite fiber. Weathering erosion is a bigger threat to graphite than uv radiation.

  • @WasabiWei
    @WasabiWei Pƙed 7 lety +1

    This has to be the highest production level and information dump quality GMBN video yet. Nicely done! It is hard to explain the benefits of carbon done right but I think you nailed it. I have experience with welded tube motorcycle frames that flex around the engine mounts but keep the wheels in line as well as riding a carbon MTB daily. Carbon is tough in weather, the frame is compliant but never snakes, and it is light yet strong enough to survive me stressing it with luggage racks beyond spec. now and then. I think it is a fantastic material assuming the production quality is there, as pointed out in the video. Critical point.

  • @respectablebogan3276
    @respectablebogan3276 Pƙed 7 lety

    Yay thx guys I was really looking forward to this one. Didn't disappoint:)

  • @listofromantics
    @listofromantics Pƙed 7 lety +74

    Are carbon fiber MTB bike sales down???
    #8 - Carbon fiber is still weak against direct impact / localized forces. And when it does fail, it fails suddenly and or catastrophically.
    Something as simple as getting the torque wrong on a bolt, or laying it over in a crash, or simply shipping your bike can ruin your carbon frame or component. Reminder: buy and use a good torque wrench when working on your bikes.

    • @kylehooker3710
      @kylehooker3710 Pƙed 6 lety +1

      @@icewallowcum856 What exactly does that video prove?

    • @icewallowcum856
      @icewallowcum856 Pƙed 6 lety

      well, its not proving but showing. so correct question is: What exackly does that video show? It shows bunch of people that are riding over and punching OLD carbon frame. And i think its eaven from Author brand, whitch frames are cracking like nothink. so ye

    • @kylehooker3710
      @kylehooker3710 Pƙed 6 lety +1

      @@icewallowcum856 No, I stated it correctly. What does that prove? Nothing. They're not designed to be ran over by a vehicle, nor designed to be destroyed on purpose. You could do the same exact thing to an alloy frame or any frame and it would have the same outcome.

    • @icewallowcum856
      @icewallowcum856 Pƙed 6 lety

      No, i stated it correctly. And this dude up here said: Carbon fiber is still weak against direct impact / localized forces. And when it does fail, it fails suddenly and or catastrophically. And video shows direct impacts and you could ride home with that damage of frame. so that is it.

  • @jacobd4421
    @jacobd4421 Pƙed 6 lety +2

    I have learned a lot more about CF from the comments than I did watching the video. At the very least, the benefits of CF vs Alloy are debatable. It really did seem like an infomercial, especially since there wasn’t a “cons” list.

  • @lisapet160
    @lisapet160 Pƙed 7 lety +35

    # 9 - weight difference is 250-400 g comparing to the alloy frames
    # 10 - you scratch chainstay or BB on rock - say Bye-Bye to the frame
    # 11 - any solid an abrasive object gets between the tire and the frame, you know what to say from # 10
    # 12 - weight and flex obsession when you have heavy forks, shock and tires is a hype (and may be a real mental phenomena)

    • @iik3787
      @iik3787 Pƙed 6 lety +1

      LisaPet I

    • @W3r366oo
      @W3r366oo Pƙed 4 lety

      Carbon frame + aluminium chainstay + BB cover

  • @lopon12
    @lopon12 Pƙed 7 lety +57

    i think you should of mentioned that carbon isn't recycled like aluminium or steel

    • @andrewbuss5751
      @andrewbuss5751 Pƙed 5 lety +3

      The waste is dumped in the ocean. Waste is about 30% of production. Carbon is shit

    • @complex.heaven
      @complex.heaven Pƙed 5 lety +6

      @@andrewbuss5751 The source of it would be hugely appreciated.

    • @pe3117
      @pe3117 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      andrew buss gay alert 🚹

    • @gregorteply9034
      @gregorteply9034 Pƙed 3 lety

      Into an ocean?? Where? Maybe in southeast Asia.

  • @SKBKER
    @SKBKER Pƙed 6 lety +4

    Been making carbon parts for over a decade . Time consuming but the end results (if you're good) are amazing . I have made seatposts, chainrings, a few sprockets and done lots of carbon repair work .

    • @marcuslopes2017
      @marcuslopes2017 Pƙed 2 měsĂ­ci

      Is there an expiration time with or without fatigue for carbon frames?

  • @tokosepedamajuroyal
    @tokosepedamajuroyal Pƙed 5 lety

    Very good info juragan....

  • @sausage9455
    @sausage9455 Pƙed 7 lety +17

    I've seen an expensive carbon frame, on its first ride, crack from a 2 foot drop. I've seen videos of pro riders say they have tried carbon wheels but they kept breaking so went back to aluminium. This has put me off carbon, its expensive and i wouldn't want to replace it if it was out of warranty.

    • @ukyo6195
      @ukyo6195 Pƙed 7 lety

      carbon wheels != carbon frame

    • @GavynPendleton
      @GavynPendleton Pƙed 6 lety +7

      Then you have Santa Cruz that gives you a lifetime warranty on carbon wheels. (And frames too btw)

    • @layton_liddell353
      @layton_liddell353 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      You do understand that carbon is naturally stronger than aluminium?

    • @michaelgreen5206
      @michaelgreen5206 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Trek has a lifetime warranty on carbon frames and carbon wheels.

    • @bobohunter1776
      @bobohunter1776 Pƙed 3 lety

      3 years later my 2016 aluminum bike is just as light as some 2021 carbon bikes

  • @billmorley4134
    @billmorley4134 Pƙed 6 lety

    Really like the way you make your videos

  • @eduardocouto8757
    @eduardocouto8757 Pƙed 6 lety

    I've been waiting for this video for too long

  • @NoVoiOvi
    @NoVoiOvi Pƙed 7 lety

    Hey GMBN, video idea: PT 1. what forks can you use for rough terrain, low cost forks. Take 4 of most common budget forks and do dirt w them(rockshox 30 and recon, maby reba, fox float 32, suntour etc.)
    . PT 2, how dirt forks affect xc times and comfort. Take 2 most used dirtforks like pike, and fox float sc and put against xc forks.

  • @budesmatpicu3992
    @budesmatpicu3992 Pƙed 7 lety +7

    of course manufacturers love it and push it - steel frame is for life, carbon one till the first proper crash on rocks, or sometimes it's enough to transport few bikes in the trunk "improperly"... in any case, it will need to be replaced soon, and if not, they will invent new wheelsize or groupset you "must have"

  • @alexmeier3538
    @alexmeier3538 Pƙed 6 lety +32

    Doddy, 3:10 is absolutely wrong. Carbon fiber with duromere resins like epoxy have a very little strain at failure (compared to most metals). They are much better at fatigue compared to aluminium and have a high tensile strenght, but they are not "strong" in an accident. Their impact behaviour is very bad. And damages like delamination can not be seen from the outside

  • @johngraham6506
    @johngraham6506 Pƙed 6 lety

    Awesome video

  • @StraitClownin909
    @StraitClownin909 Pƙed 5 lety +2

    I spent $350 on my flyxii chinese carbon frame(stump jumper clone) and its freaking awesome. Outfitted with all XT components its super lightweight. I have logged hundreds of miles on it and and it's been a great frame. A lot of these frames are made in the same factories tham the name brands. Only difference is your buying a warranty when you buy a name brand. For me, buying charbon was worth the risk.

  • @th_js
    @th_js Pƙed 7 lety +8

    FINALLY!! 😀

  • @vintagerider4301
    @vintagerider4301 Pƙed 7 lety +3

    How well does carbon fiber age ? I still ride my 14 yrs old Aluminium Lapierre bike, and was wondering if a Carbon fiber frame would still be reliable after more than 10 years ? (I cannot afford to change my bike often, as many high level riders seem to do on CZcams...

  • @brandonaustin3040
    @brandonaustin3040 Pƙed 7 lety

    Nice vid

  • @donaldryder5534
    @donaldryder5534 Pƙed 7 lety

    GMBN gets a green screen!!! Super Nice!!

  • @cflow3914
    @cflow3914 Pƙed 7 lety +12

    at 2:58 you state that if you do not see anything or only little damage after a crash you are fine, because CF is strong. This is simply false and you should not spread this kind of knowledge. If you dent your frame the fibers could delaminate underneath. That means that you do not see anything but there could be sewere damage resulting in a less stiff structure. Therefore not safe to ride anymore.
    On delamination: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delamination
    On Composites czcams.com/video/FhlsuL9RcYM/video.html

    • @coen8323
      @coen8323 Pƙed 7 lety

      C Wolf so CF is weak?

    • @bogdan6424
      @bogdan6424 Pƙed 7 lety

      Mr Cow it is very strong but brittle so it can't handle mechanical shocks as aluminium

    • @electricdeckhead3083
      @electricdeckhead3083 Pƙed 7 lety +2

      Mr Cow, yes it's strong until an impact, after that it is unpredictable, carbon fibre hides delamination well. especially if internal delamination you will never know the frame has started it's breaking process if that's where it starts.

    • @todgerx
      @todgerx Pƙed 7 lety

      Kevin Nivek exactly, good for those who don't have to pay for another one lol

  • @arvincabugnason6728
    @arvincabugnason6728 Pƙed 3 lety +4

    Carbon fiber is strong on "simple geometry" notably on boats. Carbon fiber is weak on "very sophisticated geometry" like on bikes. Carbon fiber is strong on 1 direction because they are simply overlapping fibers but with bikes of having multiple stress points, it doesnt really play well on long term durability. The sheer number of stress points on bikes are what makes carbon fiber frames weak in the long term also the glue that bonds them which disintegrates overtime. In the molecular level, alloys or aluminum frames are better since they are single construction (homogenous), but carbon fiber is built from many raw materials to form. So more parts, more prone to failures.

    • @silver_c1oud
      @silver_c1oud Pƙed 2 lety +1

      My only concern with Alloy is that it has no Endurance Limit.. which somehow bothers me tho..

    • @vittocrazi
      @vittocrazi Pƙed 2 lety +1

      but that being said, aluminium fails on the welds.

  • @mannyfigueroa236
    @mannyfigueroa236 Pƙed 6 lety

    @ GMBN What brand is good for a carbon full suspension frame?

  • @ditdisini
    @ditdisini Pƙed 6 lety

    I want to get canyon mtb
    -spectral cf 8 or 9 pro = carbon
    -Spectral al 6 = alloy
    The spectral al 6 and 8 are the same but the spectral cf has carbon frame,
    Wich one should i get?

  • @harijsmilts1625
    @harijsmilts1625 Pƙed 7 lety +14

    Swear this video was meant to come out time ago😂

  • @hgm8337
    @hgm8337 Pƙed 6 lety +5

    If, as you say, all carbon frames are made by a handful of specialist Far East manufacturers, why do they then decide to make inferior ones for their unbranded open mould frame customers? Isn't it that the branded names are just charging everyone for their name. and OEM pass on the benefit of their Low overheads?

  • @dockilat8722
    @dockilat8722 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Wow. Im gonna buy the new Sp Enduro 2020 now.

  • @Max-rs7cx
    @Max-rs7cx Pƙed 7 lety +13

    Yes carbon is very strong, but you did not mentioned that you often can not see if your carbon frame is damaged after a crash. The structure can be damaged, but you do not see it. On an alloy frame you would see a small split getting bigger and bigger before it breaks.

    • @JuanHernandez-ub3ez
      @JuanHernandez-ub3ez Pƙed 5 lety

      Maximilian Buschmann just a quick knock will tell you

    • @joanetmontserrat702
      @joanetmontserrat702 Pƙed 5 lety

      You will see the crack in the carbon fiber frame too...
      And don’t worry you will certanly hear the crack,

    • @michaelgreen5206
      @michaelgreen5206 Pƙed 3 lety

      If a weld fails on an aluminum frame it may be hard to see. You may have to magna-flux the welds to determine where it cracked.

  • @rbid
    @rbid Pƙed 7 lety +5

    Fantastic article.
    I ride on carbon for a long time, on an Ibis, a company that does only carbon frames for a long time.
    You should do an interview with Ibis owner, one of the initial icons of mountain biking

    • @laneshirley3706
      @laneshirley3706 Pƙed 7 lety +1

      Ricky Marek same man I have the original ibis mojo hd it's a great bike

  • @nepoznataosoba1604
    @nepoznataosoba1604 Pƙed 7 lety

    Finally This video,you've been announcing it for past 2 months

  • @wormymtb8238
    @wormymtb8238 Pƙed 7 lety +1

    If you buy new there not much to worry the warranty on some is amazing!

  • @nohomo1828
    @nohomo1828 Pƙed 7 lety

    What is a good place to get parts online?

  • @mtb8396
    @mtb8396 Pƙed 7 lety +50

    Ask Minnar about carbon frame :O

    • @migatron1
      @migatron1 Pƙed 7 lety +20

      30+mph into an immovable wooden post. Not much would've survived that to be fair

    • @tamasvarga67
      @tamasvarga67 Pƙed 7 lety +6

      Try the same with an AL frame and see what happens... wraps around the post and you still try to peel it off...

    • @WasabiWei
      @WasabiWei Pƙed 7 lety

      That frame did what it was engineered to do and Minnaar rode it like a champ. Whatevs, man.

    • @raheemgahelable
      @raheemgahelable Pƙed 4 lety

      Yep! You nailed it! 👍👍

    • @raheemgahelable
      @raheemgahelable Pƙed 4 lety

      @@WasabiWei , lmfao 😂 😂😂 😂😂 😂

  • @bananaswag7012
    @bananaswag7012 Pƙed 4 lety

    I just bought a 5400$ giant reign advanced 1 and I’m sooo happy it gets here on Saturday, I worked hard all summer to be able to afford it 😆 😆 😃 😊

    • @shawn.bourke.3
      @shawn.bourke.3 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      according to this comment section it should have snapped by now, has it?

  • @superultramuffintime
    @superultramuffintime Pƙed 7 lety

    Finally!

  • @Blockxblock
    @Blockxblock Pƙed 6 lety

    Video mark 1:37. What bike is the gray one??? Please let me know

  • @mabecka
    @mabecka Pƙed 6 lety +4

    I'll stick with Cro-mo Steel frames forever! Even on full sus bikes and especiially for hardtail bikes!

    • @LeDank
      @LeDank Pƙed 2 lety

      Those are getting harder to find.

  • @mucklark6943
    @mucklark6943 Pƙed 7 lety +7

    That was all very positive. But what about the negative ? Recyclability ??

  • @venanciom5959
    @venanciom5959 Pƙed 7 lety +1

    How do I maintain my pivot bearings of my Scott Genius?

    • @nbzness
      @nbzness Pƙed 3 lety

      Lubricant? Change bearings

  • @lvkkk3875
    @lvkkk3875 Pƙed 6 lety

    i hace used a "fake" carbon frame and its completely fine as long as you maintain your bike properly... i have raced on it and it met my needs just fine.

  • @RixterNow
    @RixterNow Pƙed 7 lety

    I've heard of people making their own carbon fiber frames etc, how do they bake the carbon fiber at home?

  • @andypaul999
    @andypaul999 Pƙed 7 lety

    Carbon MTB's are lovely to ride, just wish they were more affordable.

  • @R3FL3X84
    @R3FL3X84 Pƙed 6 lety

    my boardman frame is triple butted alloy. is that even good ? my bike is super light aswel.

  • @SorinVBogdan
    @SorinVBogdan Pƙed 6 lety +3

    3:58 I'm not trying to be clever, but do you have any evidence of that claim, or is that something the ''sponsors'' informed you of?

  • @moacyrjetpilot
    @moacyrjetpilot Pƙed 6 lety +1

    I guess that 26” wheel, entry-level carbon bike might cost a top 29” wheel, mid-to-top Aluminum bike... so, what’s best deal? I probably choose an Aluminum one...

  • @morbly
    @morbly Pƙed 7 lety +2

    Can you do a video on how to get a better paying job so I can afford a carbon bike?

  • @FilipMatacin
    @FilipMatacin Pƙed 6 lety

    I agree on the tech side what carbon is bringing, as an everyday inovation, but for me is one of those things that do not have a middle ground as you love him or hate him, is a on/off thing.. I realy like his feel, but keep on riding al/mag frames and wheels cause I ride some sort of free enduro ride and the disorder that carbon does on heavy terrain with less travel is apsurd.. I can manage to come down alive from some wild tops with al, but carb is so annoying in this situations that i diched it..

  • @jacobbockover1628
    @jacobbockover1628 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    I've never ridden a carbon bike. I kinda miss the feel of the crop no frames that seem rare now

  • @nvncblife
    @nvncblife Pƙed 2 lety

    #askgmbn is there a way for us to know how good any specific carbon frame is? If the direction of the sheets and/or the design of the multiple layers can make such a difference, how can we as consumers know the difference between two frames or brands? Is there a standard that all manufacturers have to follow?

  • @koggism
    @koggism Pƙed rokem

    From what I'm seeing CF has an inherent weakness, that is a when there is a rock strike to the frame, there will be a popping sound and the frame will crack. It's these rock strikes which are causing carbon frames to fail - and there are lots of reports of that now happening with mountain bikes. The probablility of having a rock strike while riding your bike through rough terrain is high!!!

  • @dicksplatts007
    @dicksplatts007 Pƙed 6 lety

    Doddy can you get kevlar frames and if you can how do they stack up against carbon and alloy?

    • @GavynPendleton
      @GavynPendleton Pƙed 6 lety

      dicksplatts007 they would be a lot more expensive and probably less useful because Kevlar deteriorates very quickly in UV light. I don’t know how the strength characteristics would compare or the weight

  • @theotrgamer8754
    @theotrgamer8754 Pƙed 3 lety

    What is the best material frame?

  • @thomasanderson9545
    @thomasanderson9545 Pƙed 7 lety

    Doddi in 3D!

  • @AlvaroQF
    @AlvaroQF Pƙed 6 lety +1

    The problem is that carbon fiber is fragile and aluminium is ductile, so it's highly probable that a carbon frame breaks if you crash your bike, when an aluminum frame would bend a little and still be usable. If you brake a carbon frame it's NOT easy to repair, you can overlay the broken part or zone with some carbon layers, paint it and ask for quite a lot of money, but the frame will be more fragile on that zone, the only correct way of repairing it is buying a new one, I'm sorry. Everyone should know this before buying a carbon frame and be aware about it.

  • @giancarlomartini2133
    @giancarlomartini2133 Pƙed 6 lety +5

    Steel is real. You guys should do a video on the downsides of carbon and the marginal gains a bike of this material possesses.

  • @chimmychaunga8443
    @chimmychaunga8443 Pƙed 7 lety

    thanks for saying you might not know

  • @mxrider2strokebraaap54
    @mxrider2strokebraaap54 Pƙed 7 lety +2

    Carbon trials bikeđŸ’ȘđŸ€—

  • @Penguin-wk7gq
    @Penguin-wk7gq Pƙed 3 lety +3

    I’m so scared of breaking my carbon frame, what can I do to keep it in good condition?

    • @JP-ot5km
      @JP-ot5km Pƙed 2 lety

      I am in your position now. So how did it go with your frame? Are you still happy?

    • @Penguin-wk7gq
      @Penguin-wk7gq Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@JP-ot5km hey mate. Had the canyon spectral in carbon for over a year and have had no problems. If anything the frame actually feels more secure and stiff than my old aluminium bike. I haven’t had any problems and I’m definitely still happy with it!

    • @JP-ot5km
      @JP-ot5km Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@Penguin-wk7gqhope to experience the same. 😂 Thanks, mate.

    • @Penguin-wk7gq
      @Penguin-wk7gq Pƙed 2 lety

      @@JP-ot5km just make sure you have a torque wrench handy and make sure your linkage etc is not over tightened. Also it’s worth checking the exact NM of bolts after each ride depending on how hard you go of course 😂

    • @JP-ot5km
      @JP-ot5km Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@Penguin-wk7gq Just bought a tw to check on this. Thx.

  • @KennyMinigun
    @KennyMinigun Pƙed 7 lety

    I think that automating carbon layout process will make it more precise, reproducible and cheaper (at the cost of reducing work places though). Anyway, manufacturers nowadays tend to increase price at each new generation of tech, so in the future machine-assembled carbon fiber might still cost more than hand-assembled nowadays :(

    • @KennyMinigun
      @KennyMinigun Pƙed 7 lety

      Idiot or not but:
      1. It is still manual and, therefore, slow process. Meaning that manufacturing capacity is decreased.
      2. it still prone to human errors: cost of manufacturing errors is included into the final product's cost. If cost of a single error is as high as a cost of carbon frame, "overhead" price needs to cover that as well.

  • @Fab24hdumans
    @Fab24hdumans Pƙed 4 lety

    How thick is the wall of carbon frame? Is it hollows inside?

    • @JanBanJoovi-ol1qv
      @JanBanJoovi-ol1qv Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci

      All bike frames have to be hollow bro. If it’s solid, it’s gonna be too heavy.

  • @sambrown1176
    @sambrown1176 Pƙed 7 lety

    Finally😂 its almost like de ja vu

  • @comewarpeacecraft7927
    @comewarpeacecraft7927 Pƙed 6 lety

    #AskGMBN
    Is it true that Carbon Fiber frame will have shelf life?
    My friends told me that carbon will only be good for upto 5yrs, beyond that, they say it would be better to change/upgrade frame?

    • @vittocrazi
      @vittocrazi Pƙed 2 lety

      shouldnt be the case. if its used on boats and sailing, then its very, very unlikely than other weather and atmospheric conditions will damage it chemically (other than heavy sunlight, wich is solved with a coat of paint). the material should be stable enoughto last a lifetime if not broken by use

  • @samuelpino9877
    @samuelpino9877 Pƙed 7 lety +2

    Global Mountain Bike Network What kids trail bike do you recommend?

    • @todgerx
      @todgerx Pƙed 7 lety

      Ñaño what size of kid are u talking about? I just got my son his first decent bike.. It's a specialized big hitter dh bike, and he loves it.. He has even named it 'big mamma' lol he, 's 4ft8,.. It costs about 800stg new..

    • @ronaldtartaglia4459
      @ronaldtartaglia4459 Pƙed 5 lety

      Norco fluid 4.2

  • @mattmarshman1721
    @mattmarshman1721 Pƙed 7 lety

    FINALLY....

  • @escwire7755
    @escwire7755 Pƙed 7 lety

    Can a carbon fibre frame be recycled when it has reached the end of its lifespan? Any metal frame can just be melted down and turned in to what ever. But what happens to a cf frame?

  • @lawrencebest2246
    @lawrencebest2246 Pƙed 7 lety +43

    I still love aluminium

    • @WhiteEagle7895
      @WhiteEagle7895 Pƙed 7 lety

      Lawrence Best aluminum*

    • @migatron1
      @migatron1 Pƙed 7 lety +6

      socar128 Aluminium versus aluminum. ... Sir Humphry made a bit of a mess of naming this new element, at first spelling it alumium (this was in 1807) then changing it to aluminum, and finally settling on aluminium in 1812

    • @MTBinKY
      @MTBinKY Pƙed 7 lety +3

      aluminium in uk, aluminum in us. dunno about other places.

    • @electricdeckhead3083
      @electricdeckhead3083 Pƙed 7 lety +2

      aluminium in uk, Australia, new Zealand, I'll stop there.

    • @snackysnacks9028
      @snackysnacks9028 Pƙed 7 lety +1

      i love an alloy bike, not much difference in wieght of carbon and alloy

  • @theo2fly
    @theo2fly Pƙed 3 lety

    2020 and refuse to buy carbon still... i have cracked aluminum frames but that is being super hard...like 10ft drops lol

  • @alecmoore
    @alecmoore Pƙed 7 lety

    I heard some bikes are made from finely shredded fiber mixed with resin to create a sort of dough, that they then mold to shape. Is that true?

    • @elon9849
      @elon9849 Pƙed 7 lety +3

      if it is I'm really concerned. The whole idea behind carbonfiber is the actual fibers.

    • @GavynPendleton
      @GavynPendleton Pƙed 6 lety

      That would be a bad way to do it, but I think I’ve seen that on old carbon road bike frames which would be more acceptable

  • @lemo_manda6076
    @lemo_manda6076 Pƙed 7 lety

    Just got my First Carbon Bike😄

  • @xmeda
    @xmeda Pƙed 7 lety +1

    Steel frame for me.

  • @bobstevens9040
    @bobstevens9040 Pƙed 7 lety +4

    One thing I do know is how to spell it

  • @user-yv2cz8oj1k
    @user-yv2cz8oj1k Pƙed 5 lety

    A lot of the carbon frames are stuck in a complexity mindset, I know ibis have simplified it for their in house small sized frames with good results.

  • @AJ-jn5oc
    @AJ-jn5oc Pƙed 7 lety

    Finally

  • @ForAFewDollarsMore9
    @ForAFewDollarsMore9 Pƙed 5 lety +1

    Aluminium is overall more durable material for MTB. Small compromises in Carbon which cannot be seen could make it fail when most needed. Plus the cost. Could the bike manufactures cost be be lower for Carbon then actually making their Aluminum? I wonder why carbon is being pushed so much in the MTB industry ?

  • @KD-mm3li
    @KD-mm3li Pƙed 6 lety

    I ran across a fake colnago roadbike at my shop. Two years ago we also had a fake giant anthem come through. A fake giant 😂😂

  • @rowdy7152
    @rowdy7152 Pƙed 7 lety +3

    You can't clamp it on a bike carrier. Doesn't sound that great to me. Stickn with alloy

  • @arqomx
    @arqomx Pƙed 7 lety

    in regards to "cheap carbon frame that is too good to be true", based on you experiences, which ones are the legit ones?

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  Pƙed 7 lety

      The ones coming from official manufacturers like Canyon or Scott

  • @EatBuildRideRepair
    @EatBuildRideRepair Pƙed 7 lety

    Are carbon seat posts really like a tiny suspension under you?

  • @Friction446
    @Friction446 Pƙed 6 lety

    Very nice. Still can't afford it,.... without using credit.

  • @migatron1
    @migatron1 Pƙed 7 lety +3

    3 months late! But I''l take it :ÂŹ)

  • @carlosavecilla26
    @carlosavecilla26 Pƙed 3 lety

    What's a T700 carbon frame?

  • @bogeyman9979
    @bogeyman9979 Pƙed 3 lety

    Is it ok to use carbon fiber bikes while raining

  • @roquebataculin4805
    @roquebataculin4805 Pƙed 2 lety

    does carbon is hard when you pinch it?

  • @santigie29salone
    @santigie29salone Pƙed 7 lety

    Carbon fiber frames are interesting for strenght/weight ratio but you should not forget that they can't be recycled at all .

    • @WIPEYOURLENZ
      @WIPEYOURLENZ Pƙed 7 lety +1

      Hertzfall
      True carbon will be the next plastic of the sea. That being said I am waiting delivery of my new Bronson CC oh yeah.

    • @santigie29salone
      @santigie29salone Pƙed 7 lety

      greasemonger29 Can't blame you, i would consider buying one if i had the money ah ah! Actually even my mechanical teachers are kinda concerned about the impact CF planes will make on the environnement after being used!

  • @bighorn9119
    @bighorn9119 Pƙed 7 lety +1

    I really hate carbon fiber I just like carbon fiber handlebars but the best material for me is aluminum

  • @jtphotography0
    @jtphotography0 Pƙed 5 lety

    Background music?

  • @fs3735
    @fs3735 Pƙed 6 lety +2

    Steel frames are the best frames

    • @JoUtan01
      @JoUtan01 Pƙed 6 lety

      Titanium is better.

  • @Create_o_raptor
    @Create_o_raptor Pƙed 7 lety +9

    call me a dinosaur.. but i like the look and feel of a steel bike..

    • @seanhawkins6184
      @seanhawkins6184 Pƙed 5 lety +4

      Dinosaur

    • @user-yv2cz8oj1k
      @user-yv2cz8oj1k Pƙed 5 lety +1

      I bought an original ibis voodoo carbon fibre frame, it's well built and not quite as light as the modern stuff, but it's near bomb proof. And I picked it up for what an aluminium hardtail would have cost. New upgraded linkages with fresh bearings for next to nothing, new bars stem and grips, swapped everything else over from my hardtail, it's a really great bike and cost less than many hardtails.

  • @bobert7954
    @bobert7954 Pƙed 7 lety

    Wicked

  • @GetRitchie
    @GetRitchie Pƙed 7 lety

    #askgmbn What is the difference between Carbon and Composite? Like the D3 helmet u have in composite AND carbon. Even my Giant reign advanced 2015 is composite/carbon frame (sold as carbon)??? Difference or not really?
    Speculation: Is carbon always glossy raw and composite a mash with plastic as composite is almost always visually unclear?

    • @mariusreiter9493
      @mariusreiter9493 Pƙed 7 lety +1

      Carbon = Material of the fiber
      Composite = Material made of fibers embedded in a matrix. This could for example be carbon fibers with resin matrix (CFRP) or Kevlar in a ceramic matrix. The matrix is usually not a strong material itself, the fibers themselves can only carry tensile loads and are soft like a yarn. So the combination of both is used so that the matrix supports the fibers against bending and holding them in shape.

    • @GavynPendleton
      @GavynPendleton Pƙed 6 lety

      Composite is the general term. For example asphalt is a composite using concrete. Composite simply means that your material is made up of two or more materials used together to share strength characteristics. Carbon fiber is a composite of carbon fibers in a polymer matrix. It gets some of the strength characteristics of the carbon while getting some of the strain characteristics from the plastic.

  • @trialfahrer1
    @trialfahrer1 Pƙed 7 lety +1

    Got my first carbon bike. Payed for it myself. Was kinda hesitant at first but its got a great waranty by a manufacture I trust. Strength wise it's got the advantage (if you crash hard and carbon breaks then Alu will too). Advantage weight wise but I can care less. Repair is a minus since I can't weld it myself lol. And the slight dampening aspect is nice but not really that noticeable for me at least. Might be good in the long run though considering the strength aspect. Now I'm a light rider easy on my equipment usually. The recycling part sucks but if it brakes it will go up on the wall. At least with the fibers wrapped up for health reasons ;). So if you have the money why not. Still gonna shred my Aluminum rig too though.

    • @makomk
      @makomk Pƙed 7 lety

      Carbon fibre is only strong in one direction, along the length of the tubes. Under any sideways impact or pressure it's basically just a weak, brittle, and thin kind of plastic. This is pretty much inherent to the material, because it relies on the carbon fibres for its strength and they only run in flat layers. Even then, the threshold between normal flexing and catastrophic failure is rather abrupt, especially worrying for parts designed to flex in normal use.

  • @tomshuttleworth7343
    @tomshuttleworth7343 Pƙed 6 lety

    Mahalo my dudes .mtbshreddinggang

  • @tomasbenes2960
    @tomasbenes2960 Pƙed 7 lety

    Is there anything I can do with a cracked carbon fibre frame?

    • @hannahorodenska4317
      @hannahorodenska4317 Pƙed 7 lety

      Tomas Benes Repair it and it's like new

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  Pƙed 7 lety

      There are carbon repair specialist out there!

  • @JogBird
    @JogBird Pƙed 7 lety

    carbon for road bikes, aluminium for mtbs where typical bike weights 2x as much as a road bike

  • @DenisLeskovar
    @DenisLeskovar Pƙed 7 lety

    does anyone wonder where old carbon frames end? They are very hard to recycle, that is why I ride steel and aluminum, and I am ex roadie

  • @dawn-moon
    @dawn-moon Pƙed 7 lety

    Who would find a carbon repair shop in their country ? I recon there aren't that many places to go here in EU. Plus, would you trust your repaired carbon frame, handle bars after repair ? I don't... If carbon is better than ALU for MTB, why isn't KTM ( for example ) using it for offroad bikes ? ( they have perfected making ALU frames so well, that carbon seems to have no added value, it would require too much man hours to produce ) KTM does offer carbon for (MTB)bikes though... interesting...

  • @user-dn6ym5dq1p
    @user-dn6ym5dq1p Pƙed 2 lety

    What is the impact of carbon fibre on the environment?

  • @MrPoopoopants
    @MrPoopoopants Pƙed 6 lety

    Y'all with yer aluminium... STEEL IS REAL BOYZ