ETS2 - 6 Speed vs 14 Speed Gearbox/Transmission Heavy Cargo Pull Scania S 2016
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- Euro Truck Simulator 2 6 Speed Allison 4500R (GA867R) versus 14 Speed Opticruise GRSO 925R Gearbox/Transmission paired with Scania S Series 2016 v8 730HP.
In this test we will compare 2 different gearboxes and see how they compare at hauling normal cargo, heavy cargo and as well very heavy cargo.
Acceleration from 0-90kmh with 14 Ton Cargo
Acceleration from 0-70kmh with 61 Ton Cargo
Acceleration from 0-50kmh with 122 Ton Cargo
Uphill Acceleration with 14 Ton Cargo
Uphill Acceleration with 61 Ton Cargo
Uphill Acceleration with 122 Ton Cargo
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Euro Truck Simulator 2 is a vehicle simulation game developed and published by SCS Software for Microsoft Windows, Linux, and macOS and was initially released as open development on 19 October 2012. The game is a direct sequel to the 2008 game Euro Truck Simulator and it is the second video game in the Truck Simulator series. The player can drive one of a choice of articulated trucks across a depiction of Europe, picking up cargo from various locations and delivering it. As the game progresses, it is possible for the player to buy more vehicles and depots, as well as hire other drivers to work for them.
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Well, its good there is no overheat simulation...
Jonas Savimbi and better sound! Man is that awful
@@welcome2myworld1.o89 there is tons of good engine sound mods.
@Jonas Savimbi Mods help a lot.
It would be cool if that happened, but im not sure is Scania or Volvo would like it if their trucks in the game overheated. Might send a bad message
Even if there are, this trucks are made for this kind of heavy cargo.
6 speed is better for 0-100
14 speed is better for max speed
6 speed are trash, period.
@@M._.l._.R._.A combine 6 speed with a 600hp engine and you're pretty much good to go for cargoes up to 40t,
6 speed because of manual 👌
@@romppa6649 I changed my Actros's gearbox to a 16 speed R since before that I had the 6 speed, the engine is a 598 hp and with the 6 speed it went up to 148 km/h, with the 16 speed it only goes up to 118 km/h, I immediately switched back to 6 speed since it also reached 100 km/h faster
6 speed better for normal cargo (realife)
16-18 speed better to heavy cargo 60-130+ ton (realife)
I-shift
For all cargo
LOL I was thinking "oh, there is a bug with the two front wheels, they're not moving anymore", then I realised there was a small gap between the road and the wheels and that they were not even touching the ground anymore because of the weight pulling hard on the tractor. Damn that was intense.
Do an engine brake down hill test would be interesting too.
Have a comment bro.
Do you think over rev??
@@iso_master no, mainly due to either exhaust brake or Jake brake, or retarder would keep it from happening.
@@madmax2069 scania has only exhaust brake (flap in exhaust manifold) but volvo had or has some kind of jake brake thing in some models at least
but you must set to engine brake option
Had alot of enjoyment testing this, thank you so much for having me! There was expectations to each haul, but we didnt know how much different but now we now 😃 Great work with all the effects and testing as well really well put together ❤
Ya should have an shout-out with an Heartpin ;P
but i only think that cuz i define it cute that ya left such an comment behind. Myes. (runs off)
Light wheigt cargo 6 speed
Heavy cargo 14 speed
Why is 14 speed better for heavy cargo?
Because the truck accelerates faster then
@@cutliss because 14 speed gives the truck more wheel torque which is necessary for heavy hauling
For light cargo there is 12° gearbox
Why not to make universal solution. First speed with tractor gear ratio, for such a heavy climb, and the rest 5 for flat terrain, sufficient in most cases.
I’m not even into trucks but I still watched the whole video. Thanks CZcams algorithm. I still knew that the 14speed would outperform on the uphill test. :D
Damn thats impressive! So much work in this!
I think the uphill test doesn't show much (especially in the first test) because the two trucks didn't have the same speed at the bottom of the climb. Maybe you should set the cruise control to 50 km/h and see which one loses the most speed at the end.
I need to congratulate you guys for that test. Cheers!
I'm actually quite surprised that the Allison is faster on acceleration on even ground.
But then again, As you were on Automatic you cant skip gears (Thuogh I'm not sure can you skip gears on modern trucks)
I drive a little bit older 36 ton dump truck, with only 460hp (Dont remember torque)
And my usual shift patterns are
Empty:
3high-5low-7low-8low-8high. In ETS terms it would be
6-9-13-15-16
Loaded:
2high-4low-5high-6high-7low-7high-8low-8high In ETS terms
4-7-10-12-13-14-15-16
Unless really slow speed is needed or terrain is sketchy.
Gearbox behaviour in ETS isn't that good, but yes, autos can skip gears... They do it badly and this is why most drivers hate them. Allison is faster on level ground because although it's weaker in a general sense, there's no loss of momentum in the gear changes. This is why the dual clutch ishift system is so good.
Our Auto Volvo apparently skips gears, however I haven't driven it, only our Manual Kenworths and the manual Volvo. It's still weird to think it's just an automatic manual.
I play ATS, and I drive a KW W900 with an Eaton super 18, and my shift patterns are very similar.
@@djm_7397 Same for me with the Eaton 18 speed.
Lol at the 6speed auto trying to pull 122 tonne uphill ! 😆
Damn! So glad to see this video popping up in my recommendations after 4 years.
Well the 14 speed is made for hauling heavy loads. Not for anything else.
Why do you think that, all trucks i've driven had 16 gears, 1-8 and the halfs, makes it 16... talking about MB actross mp3 450hp, mp4 480hp and Man TGX 480. In USA all big rigs, ment to drive on snow have 13 or more gears, anything less is a joke.
Jopaxx thats bullshit m8
@@Joni-bz8nj no its not. The more Gears you have the more options you have, to pull a load up a hill in the perfect gear where the engine has the most power
@@jopaxx3914 yea no shit sherlock
Well the 14 speed is made with 3 settings eco normal and power mode and hes using normal mode in this video if he did it in power mod the 14 speed would be faster
Thanks!! This was really interesting!!
I can just Imagine the smells off the last test as clutches burn
With a light load it's easier and faster to just skip gears with the 14 speed as you only need them with a heavy load
Awesome test, thats is the way to show what we need in rpm multiplier about power or torque(depending of gear ratio) its a shame that scs didnt improve inertia, grip and traction to realistic feeling yet, but i like think they are working on that
Good work 14 speed uphill 👍
When the music kick in. Love it mate.
9:12 Well, well😅
Doesn't the Allison gearbox come with a torque converter? That should permit for higher rpm at low speed by allowing the engine to run faster than the drivetrain. I have a feeling that this behaviour is not 100% realistically implemented in ETS2.
I have driven a truck with 6 speed + torque converter in real life and from that experience I would say the torque converter can make up for missing crawler gears/low range in tricky uphill situations
Even with a torque converter on a 6 speed and you were to lock or unlock it in any given gear it would still be very hard to get up a hill with 40 tons compared to a transmission that has Hi Lo and a Splitter, because it’s either slipping or the gear is too tall.
The Auto transmission will be good for different applications, but when you are hauling some weight, you’ll always have more control with your Manual/Standard Transmission.
@@jakeslay9180 Also the torque converter produces a lot of heat with a big engine drivetrain speed difference.
fuck a 6 speed, 18 speed eaton or nothing
@@mlippert I don't really thinks so.... leave the lockup on auto and you won't get the overheat issue, unless flow of oil gets abnormal
@@jakeslay9180 when you are hauling some weight, you’ll always have more control with your Manual/Standard Transmission - ONLY ON WINTER TIME maybe can be good, and offroad situations like forest and wet conditions. Otherwise - automatic transmission is best.
Man this video’s great...🤩🤩
the allisons im ATS and ETS behave so diferently its amazing they are both SCS games. its like the allison in ETS locks up the converter completely amd bogs the engine down...
So in conclusion
The 6 speed is for acceleration and speed and the 14 speed is for pulling
Nice info man👍
Thx bro! We want more videos in this theme/subject!😁
Great effort. Great video
That is probably the most informative piece of content for ETS that I've seen. Are there any other videos like that about chasses and engines?
Automatic transmissions? I usually use manual shifting so I can skip gears. Skipping gears allows you to turn a 12 speed into a 6 speed or a 14 speed into a 7 speed.
Automatic also skips gears if they're not needed...
@@RyoTheTiger Depending on the programming. Have been in some that dont skip
In automatic, you can see that It skips even when It'd be better don't skip
I do the same.
Automatic transmission always works on the lower RPM.
I didn't like the 6 speed. It's not bad if you have no load, but if you have at least some load, the 12-18 speeds are ideal. You also get that nice downshift at wide open throttle once going at speed, and it gives a nice push. When climbing up ramps, it always keeps the truck in the powerband. The 6 speed is very bad for those purposes, and the driving dynamics on the highway.
I drive with 8 speed manual gearbox and its nice to shift… 6 speed is a shit. Yes
Darm. That road map🔥with the hill
Dankeschön. das ist sehr aufschlussreich cool idee
i understand why Turkish use 6 speed in automatic now, thank's !
I use it in manual since it makes you gain a lil bit more acceleration control.
Its also easier with H-shifter to use 6 vs 12 or 14
14 is better for heavy haul
And 6 speed Allison have no torque loss gap during gear shifting.
@@Erazerek that's the main reason why I use the 6 speed. I don't have one of those fancy $200 shifters that have the switches for 12+ speed trans
Using trucks with more gears in automatic mode is useless. Take manual control and 14 speed will destroy 6 speed.
so true
How would a manual transmission with 14 speeds even look
@@milesromanus7041 if on the game just double or triple tap the gear shifting switch(usually shift or control button)... In real life most trucks are manual with 12+2, 14 ,16 and even 18 gears... Its hard to explain through text, basically a stick shift with switches and more direction to move around.. there are somany videos available
@@milesromanus7041 on here search for 18 speed eaton. That's kinda how it works but with less gears
I agree
great film! thanks
PERFECT!
New Scania(S) VS Old Scania(R)
R 2016 vs R 2009*
Fuel consumption is also interesting for the decision making. More gears allow you to drive the engine at a very efficient RPM at any speed(even some cars with automatic transmission have up to 9 gears). However, I expect that even the 6speed allows efficient driving for the speeds in typical scenarios (highway and country roads).
Nope.
The less number of gears you have - the less flexibility for everything you do have.
Also, the author not showed a D4-start method, or switch UP to 3 gears in one moment.
No side-by-side video, so, well, overrev could produce better results for 14-gear box.
Very shady video, saying this as a usual car-driver.
@@nikostalk5730 It's not that it's shady, it's that ETS doesn't have transmissions that work 100% true to life. They're oversimplified for the sake of keyboard players.
in ETS2 the Allison does burn quite a bit of fuel on uphills, even if it has decent performance on flats.
That was interesting and definitely not what i was expecting to happen
Nice Epic Very Very Epic. Next Challenge Please :')
With the results of this test, I understand more. If the convoy is required to use a 6 speed gerabox because it is faster in accelerating. During this time always use 14 speed gear box ..
This doesn't show you that the Allison has split gears on gear one and two
But when you're with light cargo and straight road, in manual mode, you can skip through gears and it will save you time shifting, effectively having 6-speed box. Same as in real life.
If you were shifting the gears manually, the 14 speed would be better as in real life, there is no reason you cant just shift through the pattern and only split the last gear
Guys remember the 6 gearbox speed in ets 2 isnt like the real life ones , as you can see in the 6 allison speed gearbox under the specs got something saying x2.40 binary , like SCS said one it was maded on purpose to those who dont have controller/ steering wheel , allowing to be more easy to play with keyboard , for myself i always stay stick with 16 gears !
I also stick with more gears, gives me more Range
It makes sense to have more gears in a big truck anyway because you need to keep the engine revs in the right spots to haul anything (torque/power band)
@@ZeldaACFan17 true
Does a a 6 speed provide sufficient torque multiplication. How does it manage to haul cargo that size when previous generations needed at least 12 speeds
@@walternyakwaka5481 ingame the 6 speed was alterated to those who play with keyboard so it doesnt represent the 6 speed of real life , the real ones are designed for city and for carry around 10 to 15 tons max , not what u see in this video , players use them for speed but only works well with cargos around 1 to 15 tons
Great work
Nice bro👍🏻💪🏻
14 speed more flexible
high start ability & high top speed
Mantap mbah
It allows you to reach maximum torque more quickly which imroves acceleration and climbing, but because of its shorter ratios it has a much slower top speed than a 6 speed, but why would you look for top speed in a big truck anyway??
@@hakimHAKIM-uc7kq high top speed means the truck is good for cruising, high speed with lower engine rev
Great video. Now, of course, the 14 speed can pull heavy cargo because it's designed to do that the 6 speed doesn't have C1 so that's why it's useless at pulling heavy cargo plus the 14 speed has more great although the 14 speed is a bit slower at accelerating so yeah.
Its beacouse THE Allison is limited tog 2200 nm thats wy in a Long climd THE 730 can use all its 3500 nm in THE higher gears om THE opticruise its also limited in low gears otherwise it Will distroy THE axels and differential .so if this would be done with a 480 then it would be more acurate to compare gearboxes.i Have a 470 with Allison cearbox in reallife..
Very nice vid. Thxx
this simulation is perfect
That last one pulled the front wheels going up that hill.
If You had a shifter for the 6 speed it would be another story
It's the coughing at the end for me😂😂😂
When I saw the video image I thought it was real life comparison
Thank you for a clear and understandable test even without translation!
I actually preffered the Zf's compared to the others.
firstly mad respect for chroming up the 14 speed bro. youd be so surprised how many actually underestimate that box.
secondly this is the reason why even with a crap engine take the 12/14 speed if possible.
also with the 6 speed, next time you do something similar stick on the diff pull the axle up and feather it. sometimes that works. best way is to back down the hill and pull up your axle. gives the unit that extra kick when on the road.
so this is really a great video. thank you very much for creating it. now I can configure my trucks better accordingly. it helped me a lot. I immediately subscribed
Those Scania looks nice
Was always curious.. Still not much consequence in game to using wrong engine, trans, tires, axles.. Etcc
Would love to see more use of the scales requiring proper axle counts. I remember a game years ago used to penalize you if you picked the wrong load.
I hope you could test the 14 speed in manual, I mean in manual mode you could keep the 14 speed transmission closer to the engine peak power for much longer.
@Kondzikqqq Or you can switch the gearbox into performance mode... Which it wasn't in in the video.
Actually, he loose time waiting for the transmission to check which gear is next
Manual mode is faster
@@jondasekHow to do it?
@@wojo6135 It's in the game settings :)
@@jondasek Thanks for answer :) it's working only for manual transmissions or automatic too, like Alisson 4500?
Wow great 👍
👏👏 good job.
Try doing a version with the Adaptive auto transmission
More speeds = more efficient engine usage
I've driven a 9 speed and it just couldn't handle hills like my current 13 speed can, even with the exact same engine and engine power level in both.
BTW I'm a truck driver IRL lol. I'm talking real world.
My favorite game ets buddy ..nice video🎮🎮🎮
The fact that the 14 gearbox wins, is no surprise really.. What really surprises me the most, is the fact that the 6 gearbox, is even able to pull 60t into motion, from a stillstand(without exploding)?!? ..and then, THAT fast???!
On paper, the 6 gearbox looks weak in every aspect (except from topspeed, with no-, or light-load), so it's a total surprise, that it's even usable for 30T+ ?!?
So that's why freightliner has an advantage uphill ..cos of 18 speed gearbox
eaton fuller makes 18 speed gearboxes for any truck you want. in general EF 13's are for normal trucking and 18's are for heavy. 18's can do normal stuff but waste fuel, even with gear skipping (driving like its a 13 where you skip the splits one through four, sometimes 5 and 6 as well).
3:31 How can you transport two locomotives?
Yes, why?
@@Alexander_701 because he already written in the video (sec 3:29)
@@HudsonMesquita. i didn't see that thanks
czcams.com/video/5hFcaHYz66A/video.html
rather meet the bridge builders...244 tons yeesh
Thanks
NICE
Well tbh during my early day at ets2 I usually double shift to go faster
I still do that lol
@@bearthunder7831 and still to this day ,double shft
Well I tripple shift sometimes
you shoud've compared the fuel consupmtion on long trips,
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The frequent shifting from the 14 speed made the truck lose some time. Imagine if the 14 speed has seamless shifts then it would outperform the 6 speed.
But think about it if it was the 12 gearbox instead of 14..?!
in real life you'll just skip gears, i do it all the time on ets, from 1 to 3 to 5 to 7, only when i want a more defined gear i use the between (midle gear, the 2,4,6,8) the 12 ofc for max speed.
True, the 14 speed is much better at keeping the engine at optimal torque, if only the shifts were seamless
Allison can be just as good as the 14 speeder, but the default final gear ratio is waaaay too small. I've done heavy hauls with it, but changed final drive to a shorter 4.8 instead of defalut 3.91. I like the allision because i have to shift less from the paddles, and engine braking is smoother, but bigger gear gaps make it hard to accelerate uphills. However i've modified it to have 8 gears and the ratios of ZF8HP gearboxes used in cars and now it has the best of both 14 and 6 speed
Bigger Gear gaps. The Allison has a hydraulik torque converter. The translation between the 6 gears is again 2.3-1.2 infinitely variable (instead of a split gear) until the converter lockup clutch closes. Of course I don't know if this is simulated in the game.
We had similar 4-speed ZF transmissions in the Army 100t tank transporter.
🥳🥳 wow good comparison.. never thouth of it... I alaways used 14 and 12 speed gear box.. that feels me better
Well. Very good
I'm using Allison, because I usually haul the lightest trailer possible ;p
What’s the game called?
@@jackdyer8405 American Truck simulator
@@marcosrafaelfleitascohene8788 European truck sim 2
@@agentscott96 ite just Euro btw
@@randomwatermelon1 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
6 Speed: Speed boi
14 Speed: The simulation boi
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@@caneru19 Technopat 😁
It a well interesting video for sure
very good ✌
750hp new Volvo VS 750hp old Volvo! :)
Have not seen the New volvo yet. Well i have, though that was on the news,. but not on ets.
@@DranweRagetotemHe might be referring to FH vs. FH Classic.
You need to adjust the game setting so the gearbox will shift at max rev and not 1500rpm
There is no need for a diesel engine to hit max rpm, they produce max torque at medium revs not at high revs
@@RS81556 it's power that matters, not torque...
Having a lot of low end torque means that this engine produces 500hp at 1000rpm.
But the 730hp are produced at 1900rpm. By up-shifting at 1500rpm you never even reach 700hp.
@@dufonrafal no no, since diesel engine works on compression to create power rather than a spark, due to the high compression in the cylinder the materials are in constant high stress levels, if you rev it up then they experience very high stress levelss.. And diesel burns slowly as compared to petrol so yeah
@@RS81556 I know that, so what?
The maximum power still is at 1900rpm on this engine, not 1500rpm. I don't know of any truck driver that upshift at 1500rpm with such a heavy load.
@@dufonrafal dude
Even in race cars torque drop at most setting is halfway near the top, usually 1-2k rpm gaps
You haul heavy loads, power aint means, you need torque
When you hits redline, you use more fuel (if you turn on the fuel consumption) and risk of overheating (in real life) for basically slight to none advantages
If its power matters, why trucks have thousands of torque ?
Next video with manual and 12st gearbox pls :D
I would like to see the manual transmission in 6 speed Scania with L and H gears turned on. She could probably drive up from 122t and faster from 61
If this game had proper physics.. the torque converter or clutch would have been on fire right now🤣
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В этом видео чётко видно враньё. На 14 ступенчатой коробке передач, намеренно не давали газ. Это видно по видео. На 6 ступенчатой коробке передач хорошо перевозить малотоннажные грузы, чем тяжолые. 14 ступенчатая коробка мощьнее, чем 6 ступенчатая коробка.
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This video clearly shows lies. On a 14-speed gearbox, intentionally did not give gas. This is visible in the video. On a 6-speed gearbox, it is good to carry light tonnage than heavy ones. A 14-speed gearbox is more powerful than a 6-speed gearbox.
Ну ее просто не выкручивали как надо. Можно идти через передачу, и все будет нормально.
Eso pasa cuando no saben usar la caja de cambio, en cualquiera de los dos casos para las cuestas arriba se debe hacer la reducción de velocidad para que el motor no pierda revoluciones por minutos y mantener la fuerza de torque.
Hey bro.. It's awesome you've 1.5million views
14 speed gearboxes are designed for heavier cargo, that’s also another reason why it takes a while for it to get up to speed then the 6 speed gearbox, the 6 speed only has 6 gears while the 14 speed has 14 gears, with lighter cargo the 6 speed can easily get up to speed very quickly because it has less gears, to go through but with heavier cargo the 6 speed is very slow and can’t really handle it as much as the 14 speed can. Because the 14 speed kicks a bit more power to the engine then the 6 speed.
I may be wrong to some extent and correct to some extent.
I think the main Problem is that the games automatic transmission doesn't skip gears like a real person would. (With light load you would maybe start in 3rd gear, then go 5-7-9-11-13-14) The engine has a useable RPM-Range, and an optimal power RPM. With 14 gears you are more likely to find a gear that is close to that optimal RPM at a given speed.
There is problem in gearbox software. 14 speed gearbox is shisfting up in "economy mod" at 1500 rpm. 6 speed gearbox allows to go to 2000 rpm and at this rpm the engine has higher power. You should try manual mod of 14 speed and go to the limiter. I think, we could see different results.
If you want speed use the 6, if you own a gearbox and want to have fun passing gears 14, the 14 is also more versatil at engine braking and when going uphill when you want an "inbetween" gear
Thx
where the location of uphill?
9:42 - 9:53 did the front wheels come off the ground? all haul, no stall + no steering? 😂
Yup, thats torque at its best :D
Steering is for loooooosers
GodzUnit01 with 8x4 you can still steer with your 2nd axle
@@ganggenius i wonder if the second axle was made for this excact reason
@@darkwolfcz434 no, tration on it to have more grip in uphills and steering for make tighter turns ;)
top video
with a 360 you need all the 14 gears haha. nice video
test is completely done wrong: in a gearbox with splitted gears as the 14 speed is, you don't shift through every gear (what would be half a gear in fact). at older trucks, you had a lever or button on the shifter, if you wanted to use the splitted gears.
you used them only if your truck struggled.
in your test, you shift the 14speed through every (half) gear, what is absolutely unnecessary... if you shifted with the wheel, it is no problem to shift 2 or 3 times "in one go" before the truck takes on gas (did that in the simulator, too, to get a somehow realistic driving experience)... try it with this next time. the least thing you should do, is using the ingame autoshift... it is horrible.
61 tons would kill the Allison gearbox uphill after a few minutes...overheating has to be added to ETS.
we are talking about 750 hp not 260 hp, in real life a truck with 400 hp 14 gear can pull 70 ton without overheating so that doesn't make much sense and by the way, before u asking, i work with a mercedes actros 440 hp 16 manual gears 6x4, if u say 122 ton now i believe u
@@kaparone21 the 6 speed allison gearbox is not built for climbing or fuel efficieny, it does not even have a clutch. The ATF oil in an automatic transmission heats up, when the torque converter can't close between gears or especially on first gear. Its built for fast and seemless shifting in citys with smaller trucks.
You are right, i did'n't know the name of the transmission i thought that u're talking about de 14 gear manual sorry
Have you tried switching manually? i feel like the shifts on the straights were a bit early, i bet you could've pushed those times down with sequential
Great game