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  • Warhammer is full of real world references, to mythology, history or literature, and the Primarchs are no exception. So where did names like Perturabo or Konrad Curze come from? Let's find out!
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  • @wolfworks101
    @wolfworks101 Před rokem +669

    Apparently Angron was named after the landlord of the local pub they drank in while coming up with the concept of 40k. His name was Ron and he was always shouting and bashing things so they called him angry Ron.

    • @monkeyswithshoes308
      @monkeyswithshoes308 Před rokem +50

      Came here to make sure this got posted 😊

    • @Mugdorna
      @Mugdorna Před rokem +42

      My life is now complete.

    • @RougeHound
      @RougeHound Před rokem +25

      I hope this is absolutely true!

    • @WozWozEre
      @WozWozEre Před rokem +23

      This is hilarious. And also no way is this true, reads like a reddit meme.

    • @am17frans
      @am17frans Před rokem +8

      Cool! Do you know were you learned it? Could be cool to find the source for it.

  • @Narcissus833
    @Narcissus833 Před rokem +379

    I grew up in Nottingham, closest GW being Warhammer World. As a throne city kids, we knew the legend of ‘Angry Ron’ who was a grumpy bouncer known around the city in the 80s/90s. Apparently, that’s where Angron derives his name.

    • @samprastherabbit
      @samprastherabbit Před rokem +9

      Fantastic!

    • @dekai7992
      @dekai7992 Před rokem +18

      If this is true, it makes Angron's name so much more fun! I love it so much it makes me giggle.

    • @SusCalvin
      @SusCalvin Před rokem +31

      Early GW used a lot of bri'ish nerd culture, but without the Internet it was a lot more local. They are connected with other nerds and gamers through fanzines and magazines.

  • @simonkrummel5407
    @simonkrummel5407 Před rokem +68

    FUL in Swedish means UGLY and GRIM in danish means UGLY, so I think it would be funny if the name FULGRIM was a amalgamation between those two words. Especially since he’s known for being a beautiful Primark 😅

    • @mistformsquirrel
      @mistformsquirrel Před rokem +13

      UglyUgly the pretty boy would be hilariously on brand given some of the other names...

    • @dil09ful
      @dil09ful Před 9 měsíci +1

      But he does turn into a snake

  • @doublep1980
    @doublep1980 Před rokem +46

    Another reference about Fulgrim, the purple color of his legion´s armor and the purple dye of the ancient Phoenicians:
    The color was called also : "Imperial or Royal Purple" and was so expensive, that only the emperors of Rome and later the Byzantine Empire & the members of their imperial courts could afford to dye their clothes with it.
    It was made from a very rare species of sea snail, found in the Mediterrenean Sea.
    Makes sense that the "Emperor´s Children" are wearing "imperial purple" as their colors.

    • @cegesh1459
      @cegesh1459 Před rokem +9

      Exactly that, the Emperord children were recruted from lords houses. I was surprized he didn't mention this.

  • @theteejaygee2771
    @theteejaygee2771 Před rokem +247

    Playing the XIX legion you know the Raven Raven joke is always a heartbeat away. At least the legion doesn’t lean into it as much as the Space Wolves do, wolfing everything and everyone.

    • @seprithlicastia463
      @seprithlicastia463 Před rokem +34

      Compared to the Space Wolves now-a-days, even the Beaky helmets are subtle.

    • @greyspeight8776
      @greyspeight8776 Před rokem +10

      Wet leopard growl. Never forget.

    • @APC117
      @APC117 Před rokem +1

      @Grey Speight Oh god, Burning of Prospero flash backs intensifies.

    • @Lochtain
      @Lochtain Před rokem +4

      It's like Moon Moon, but for birds.

    • @gregrobertson5576
      @gregrobertson5576 Před rokem +4

      They lean pretty hard into it.

  • @Willqer
    @Willqer Před rokem +295

    "Lion still means lion, but forests are called johnsons?" I almost died laughing, especially due to way you said it.
    Fun fact about Rogal Dorn. "Rogal" (or diminutive "rogalik") means "croissant" in polish, though I highly doubt, it's a reference.
    16:58 personally I would absolutely love more such videos.

    • @tappajavittu
      @tappajavittu Před rokem +9

      I'm guessing the name Rogal is kinda like Angron, take a word like regal and twist it a little and you got a silly space name.

    • @pitmatix1457
      @pitmatix1457 Před rokem +3

      Well I suppose they both "have wood".

    • @XCRunningMan95
      @XCRunningMan95 Před rokem +12

      Johnson -> slang for male anatomy -> also referred to as 'wood' -> loses its slang interstep and so Johnson = wood, therefore woods is a synonym of forest!
      Still a better entomology than land raider and land speeder....

    • @thefeatherbird_
      @thefeatherbird_ Před rokem +12

      @@XCRunningMan95 land raider being named after a dude named Land was deliberately made as a joke though, rogue trader did not take itself seriously and was poking fun of its own tendency to name vehicles like the leman russ after fictional dudes.
      Astartes being named after a scientist called Astarte is not a joke though. Its just dumb

    • @XCRunningMan95
      @XCRunningMan95 Před rokem +2

      I forget the whole Astartes line, that's probably the worst one lol, "I'll name my finest warriors after you to spite you"

  • @Rosgakori
    @Rosgakori Před rokem +296

    Also Magnus is totally Odin, and I've alwas felt that there's strong nordic connection there. Magnus, while latin name, is pretty popular name in Scandinavian countries, and Magnus sacrificed his eye for knowledge/power, which is pretty dang Odin. Maybe Leman was annoyed that Magnus was coming on his turf.

    • @ArbitorIan
      @ArbitorIan  Před rokem +130

      Ah, should have mentioned that. TBH, didn't know how far I should go with some of them, you could go into Cthonic spaces, Odin's Eye, the Eye of Horus, Eyes of Aversion, all this stuff. BUT THATS WHAT MORE VIDEOS ARE FOR!

    • @erickcuesta6168
      @erickcuesta6168 Před rokem +58

      Also funnily enough in the tale of Ragnarok Odin is foretold to be killed by the son of Loki the wolf Fenrir wich to me makes the rivalry between magnus and leman kinda cool, and maybe is a sign of things to come maybe? 🤔

    • @AbenZin1
      @AbenZin1 Před rokem +19

      Sure Magnus is a reference to Magnus Magunsson, longtime host of Mastermind and therefore keeper of all knowledge...

    • @changer_of_ways_999
      @changer_of_ways_999 Před rokem +1

      Yours truly is usually referred to as the Raven or Raven god as well.

    • @changer_of_ways_999
      @changer_of_ways_999 Před rokem +8

      I think it's also interesting that Magnus is partially based on the WFB Emperor Magnus the Pious that founded the Colleges of Magic while Leman Russ and the Space Wolves are somewhat similar to Wulfrik, the Wulfen, and Norsca.
      So they do a role reversal in their "transition" from WFB to 40k.

  • @Walkyrjenny
    @Walkyrjenny Před rokem +78

    In regard to Horus Lupercal: you mentioned the wolf's cave and the link to Romulus and Remus. What you didn't mention, however, is that Romulus slew his brother Remus in a fit of rage, which is fitting for the Great Heretic.

    • @matthewbarratt4935
      @matthewbarratt4935 Před rokem +15

      Also the most famous celebration of the Lupercalia was the one where Marc Antony offered a crown to Caesar. Brutus thought this meant Caesar wanted to be king, so he joined the conspiracy to murder him. All of which ended up with Augustus becoming emperor, which parallels the Horus Heresy creating the future that he was trying to prevent.

    • @kozmo7
      @kozmo7 Před rokem +3

      Yep, great comments. I came here to post this stuff too and I’m glad you guys already took care of it

    • @kozmo7
      @kozmo7 Před rokem

      @Thule Magna
      It’s a classic!

  • @vituperousrecidivist6141
    @vituperousrecidivist6141 Před rokem +18

    In relation to Konrad Cruze, there’s a line in Heart of Darkness that goes “Serve him right! Transgression-punishment- bang! Pitiless, pitiless! That’s the only way!” Sounds like Night Haunter’s philosophy to me 😂

  • @Vaultboy-ke2jj
    @Vaultboy-ke2jj Před rokem +34

    The two scientists who first developed Ultramarine synthetic pigment were called Jean-Baptiste Guimet and Christian Gmelin.
    It’s very possible that GW put their names together as the founder of the Ultramarine legion

    • @bobfunkmeiser9506
      @bobfunkmeiser9506 Před rokem +3

      the original writer was presented with this information at a panel. he said no, he just made it up because it sounded kinda foreign

    • @theOdogwu1
      @theOdogwu1 Před 10 měsíci

      This makes sense

  • @ajhatfield8934
    @ajhatfield8934 Před rokem +36

    I would love to see what you can find on the names of the chaos gods. I had accidentally stumbled on Nergal, a Mesopotamian God of death and disease.

    • @TheDeepestbluest
      @TheDeepestbluest Před rokem +1

      😮

    • @punkjay4681
      @punkjay4681 Před rokem +3

      It's also the stage name of the frontman of the Polish black metal band Behemoth :)

  • @josepholiveira2873
    @josepholiveira2873 Před rokem +6

    You know, the Dark Angels always bugged me. As you pointed out, every loyalist legion had traitor elements; the Dark Angels tying themselves into knots about hiding their 'shame' always felt weird and silly. Knowing more about Lionel Jonson's really quite tragic self-loathing, and how that ties in thematically, genuinely makes me find the legion/chapter more interesting. Great video.

    • @thefeatherbird_
      @thefeatherbird_ Před rokem

      Their mostly unfounded paranoia and shame is definitely a big part of the appeal.
      It does go a bit deeper though, deeling with their own traitors kept the DA from helping out at the siege of terra, leaving them partially to blame for what happened (Big E dieing), or at least thats how they see it from their perspective.
      The rest of the imperium wouldnt be too happy if they found out about this, but there wouldnt be any real consequences besides the DAs shame being known to everyone. They cant have that, especially after ten thousand years of covering it up. In fact, the crimes theyve committed to achieve this far outweigh the original "sin"; a la 'silencing' inquisitors and anyone else who finds out the truth.
      As a closeted gay dude this is all painfully relatable

  • @GNARical
    @GNARical Před rokem +21

    The most important parallel between lorgar and Urizen is that Urizen is almost this tragic figure for creating the "original sin" of life in a physical plane. He is then left to helplessly watch his kingdom play out into its inevitable destruction trapping him in the Mortal plane, unable to stop it from falling apart. At least that's my very basic, sm0l brain understanding of it anyway, and seems to basically mirror lorgars story to some extent.
    Also Urizen and the book he comes from serves as Blakes criticism against the dogmatism of religion.

  • @rosspalmer5171
    @rosspalmer5171 Před rokem +154

    This was one of those subjects I'd always meant to look into but never gotten around to, you know? Great content, man, keep up the good work.

  • @mojotheaverage
    @mojotheaverage Před rokem +51

    Aurelian was also the name of the Roman emperor from 270-275 ad who, aside from being a complete badass (unlike Lorgar) established a new mono theistic religion as the primary religion of Rome during his reign. That religion worshipped Sol Invictus, the invincible sun, a warrior god who brought light to the world through warfare and also is argued to have paved the way for Christianity, the final religion of Rome, to be accepted as monotheism wasn't really a thing in Rome prior to Aurelian's reign.
    There is a LOT to unpack there in terms of the similarities with Lorgar.

    • @ProfDCoy
      @ProfDCoy Před rokem +8

      Yeah, there's even more to unpack!
      Sadly, I think Ian missed the more obvious meaning of the reference to "logos". Logos is best known today for its use in John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and Word was God," and so on. John 1 was written in ancient Greek, so the original word for "word" in the passage was "logos", which also meant "law". There have been thousands and thousands of pages written about this passage and the meaning of the word "logos" within it. For instance, Biblical scholars generally agree that in the passage "Logos" refers directly to Jesus - Jesus IS the Word. Put simply, the point of the passage is that Jesus is bringing a new word/truth/law to the people, and the metaphorical use of the word "logos" (and its surprisingly wide set of meanings even before this passage was written) tells you a lot about the relationship between concepts like "law", "writing", "bringing new truths to people", "reason", etc.
      But for the purposes of the video, that was the reference the name "Lorgar" was about: it makes a parallel between two sons of a godlike being who bring a new set of rules (law) to his father's people by writing a book (or causing a new book to be written). One was the Bible and the other was the Imperial Truth.

    • @AlexanderForsman
      @AlexanderForsman Před rokem +1

      Unlike Lorgar?
      What's more badass than forcing a god to save his brother, Orchestrating an entire rebellion with non the wiser or that he escaped it with his legion almost intact?

    • @ghostcat5303
      @ghostcat5303 Před rokem +1

      Counterpoint: Lorgar is, in fact, a badass. You can't get shot, twice, by a titan-class plasma weapon, live, and not be so.

  • @WilCornish
    @WilCornish Před rokem +83

    ooooh I can expand on Perturabo a little more! Crowley gained the moniker of Perdurabo as a member of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, an organisation which operated out of 36 Blythe Road, in West London. I have little doubt that the founders of Games Workshop would be aware of this, given that the company was founded out of a flat at 15 Bolingbroke Road, an 8 minute walk to the north, in Shepards Bush (through some very lovely terraced streets.). Why is this relevant? Well, there’s a big exhibition centre literally around the corner from the original headquarters of the HOotGD. Kensington Olympia.

    • @vaudevillian7
      @vaudevillian7 Před rokem +3

      Ah that’s interesting, I’m almost certain they would have been familiar with the Hermetic Order regardless too

    • @te9591
      @te9591 Před rokem +1

      I didn't know Crowley was in the golden dawn.

    • @theheslops439
      @theheslops439 Před rokem +3

      ​@@te9591 they kicked him out (quite literally according to some accounts) for his predatory tendencies. This apparently lead to Crowley and W.B Yeats (the man who did the kicking) directing their magical forces at one another for some time afterwards.

    • @te9591
      @te9591 Před rokem +1

      @@theheslops439 it's like Saruman vs. Gandalf.

    • @Scufflegrit
      @Scufflegrit Před rokem +1

      @@te9591 only fake

  • @johnlocke9437
    @johnlocke9437 Před rokem +41

    Also for Sanguinius the word 'sanguinary': causing bloodshed. I guess his name is a play on both sanguine and sanguinary given the duality of his character. Good natured / capable of tremendous violence.

    • @changer_of_ways_999
      @changer_of_ways_999 Před rokem +6

      Also, of course the connection to the Holy Grail that held the Blood of Christ and then Communion of drinking of Christ's blood. Like Jesus, Sanguinios is the "holy son" that gave his life to save the Imperium.
      The Black Rage would then be similar to Stigmata, but that's more of a stretch.

    • @iapetusmccool
      @iapetusmccool Před rokem +3

      Zoe: You sanguine about the kind of reception we’re apt to receive on an Alliance ship?
      Mal: Absolutely. What’s sanguine mean?
      Zoe: Sanguine. Hopeful. Plus-point of interest-it also means bloody.
      Mal: Well that pretty much covers all the options, don’t it.

    • @irishwristwatch2487
      @irishwristwatch2487 Před rokem

      I guess also "Sanguine" - as in, accepting. Which is kind of how Sangy is about his fate

  • @EllEssEm
    @EllEssEm Před rokem +43

    Ferrus Manus being "The Gorgon" could also be a reference to the classic D&D monster (the bull with metallic skin and breath attack).
    (Which a quick googling tells me may have been inspired by Edward Topsell's 1607 book 'The Historie of Foure-Footed Beastes'.)

    • @HoangMinh-pb7gd
      @HoangMinh-pb7gd Před rokem +1

      Ferrus Manus in Latin means Iron Hand, his homeworld was Medusa, and he was based on the greek mythical snake-head sisters "The Gorgons", his decapitation was based on the Myth about Medusa-one of the gorgons sisters who got beheaded by the hero Perseus

    • @HoangMinh-pb7gd
      @HoangMinh-pb7gd Před rokem +1

      Also the Gorgons in Myth have hands and claws made of Iron

  • @runomelkko
    @runomelkko Před rokem +19

    I have never wanted anything more than Arbitor Ian explaining the real world references of 40k lore. ❤

  • @larrywagner1432
    @larrywagner1432 Před rokem +61

    Yes please! More of this. It’s fun to see the inspiration of 40K lore. It really goes to show that, despite the grim dark nature of the lore, so much is rooted in, sometimes, tongue and cheek references.

    • @Mugdorna
      @Mugdorna Před rokem +3

      The “grim dark” developed over the years (decades?) But the original creators were a bunch of lads. Look at the Orks, “red ones go fasta”, “dakka” and the colours schemes they had.

    • @SusCalvin
      @SusCalvin Před rokem +2

      @@Mugdorna It's early 80's nerd culture, the GW lads are watching Blade Runner and reading Judge Dredd in 2000AD and playing the new D&D, Traveller and Call of Cthulhu games. But it's also nerd culture without the internet, so they are relying on magazines and physical conventions a lot more. And a lot of purely local stuff, like metal bands who happened to be around the area.

    • @Mugdorna
      @Mugdorna Před rokem

      @@SusCalvin I fully agree. I was only a couple of years behind those lads.

    • @theautisticguitarist7560
      @theautisticguitarist7560 Před rokem +1

      Even the "grim dark" elements are ripe for tongue and cheek fun. It's an eternally failing fascist empire whose biggest threats are sex demons, green alien football fans, and undead robot skeletons.

  • @crimcrusader8459
    @crimcrusader8459 Před rokem +3

    While the name Angron is an obvious play on 'Anger', it is also possible that his name is also derived from the Greek word Agrion, which translates to 'Wild', or even Agron, the Gallic word for 'Slaughter'. Perfectly fitting terms for Angron and especially his overall disposition.

  • @Dzidius
    @Dzidius Před rokem +4

    Interesting fact about Lorgar. His other name, Aurelian, is a reference to a Roman emperor of the same name who proliferated the cult of Sol/Sun, or Sol Invictus as he was styled in later days of the Empire. Now I don't think its a stretch to connect the Emperor in 40k with this diety since in the book Saturnine of the Siege of Terra series he was described by Erda as having many names throughout the history, one of those being Mithras (another Perso-Roman diety which was closely associated and integrated to some extent with the worship of Sol). Hence, Lorgar resembles his real life counterpart in that he was pious, try to deify the Emperor or the Sun and make a cult around him, plus the whole Lectitio Diviniatus thing. Some may disagree with these paralels but I see what writers intended when they gave Lorgar this name. Plus Aurelian means golden so another reference to the Big E?

  • @Retrosicotte
    @Retrosicotte Před rokem +21

    I would love to see one of these on the inspirations of the famous Gaurd regiments.

    • @nekrataali
      @nekrataali Před rokem

      Ye was about to suggest this. Hell, I'd love to see a series like Ian did for Horus Heresy and each Legion done for the famous regiments of the Imperial Guard.

  • @mawhis
    @mawhis Před rokem +2

    Magnus, perhaps ironically, has always reminded me of Odin. The one-eyed god of magic

    • @xgzav3488
      @xgzav3488 Před rokem +1

      Like someone else remarked, they also both got defeated by a wolf.

  • @Blacknight8850
    @Blacknight8850 Před rokem +41

    You gotta wonder if *Sanguinius,* *Perturabo* and *Alpharion* ever felt a bit sheepish introducing themselves alongside *Lionel, Conrad* and *Robert.*

    • @lauriepenner350
      @lauriepenner350 Před rokem +14

      Warhammer is what TV Tropes would call an "Aerith and Bob" universe.

    • @thomasjoychild4962
      @thomasjoychild4962 Před rokem +5

      Technically it's just Lion, but yes :P I snort a bit at every reference to "Lord El'Jonson"

    • @nouhorni3229
      @nouhorni3229 Před rokem +6

      and the two forgotten primarks, Kyle and Lyle.

    • @samb.8134
      @samb.8134 Před rokem +6

      @@lauriepenner350 Sometimes, somehow, managing to be both in the same name : John Grammaticus.

    • @DerBomster
      @DerBomster Před rokem +4

      @@samb.8134 This dude (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_VII_of_Constantinople) might want to have a word with you, and "John was renowned for his learning (hence the nickname Grammatikos), and for his persuasive rhetoric [...] " would fit the bill for the 30k character as well.

  • @bragoen
    @bragoen Před rokem +2

    for Mortarion, -arion in ancient greek is a diminutive suffix. I had always thought that beside the obvious images of death the the reaper they were also throwing a wrench in it or an easter egg by naming him "little death" which is a reference to weakening of consciousness and losing a part of yourself but at the same time a reference to post-orgasm sensation, which idk, nurglites might get from disease ?

  • @Armaaz
    @Armaaz Před rokem +7

    This is exactly the sort of 40k content I want to see.

  • @CannonLongshot
    @CannonLongshot Před rokem +2

    I suppose “the Gorgon of Medusa” also works out as a name for a guy who gets beheaded

  • @nekomancer9817
    @nekomancer9817 Před rokem +7

    I've been into Warhammer and its lore since the late 90s when I got my first box set as a kid and I actually never even thought about the Primarch naming conventions/origins. Several of them are pretty easy connections to make, but I had no idea about the Dark Angel poem or the origin of the Urizen title. Thank you for this Warhammer-adjacent history lesson, really enjoyed it.

  • @jordanesmith111
    @jordanesmith111 Před rokem +2

    One more interesting bit about the Alpha Legion. In WWII, the British and Americans decided early on that they wanted the D-Day invasion to hit the Germans as a surprise. The man they relied on to accomplish this was Juan Garcia, a Spanish double-agent who went by the codename Garbo. Garbo did such a thorough job misleading and confusing the Nazi command that even after soldiers were setting up bases on the beaches of Normandy, some German generals still thought the "real" invasion was about to arrive as far away as Calais. Garbo's team of spies went by the codename "The Twenty Committee."
    The inside joke here is that 20 in roman numerals is XX, or in other words, "double cross." The Alpha Legion are Legion XX. They're double-crossers.

  • @DerBomster
    @DerBomster Před rokem +16

    I have this idea that Magnus might be a reference to Hermes Trismegistus, the Greek-Egyptian god of magic (Egyption because Trismesgistos was a byname of Thoth). Trismegistus means "thrice great" - so there is an element of "Magnus" from an egyptian source, if you squint your eyes a bit.

    • @worldeater2414
      @worldeater2414 Před rokem +2

      As I recall, Magnus is also a Icelandic name

  • @hrafnmichelson9424
    @hrafnmichelson9424 Před rokem +2

    Here's a little personnal theory with Magnus the Red. His real world reference is Odin. Magnus is a somewhat popular name in Scandinavia after it was introduced there in reference to Charlemagne, Carolus Magnus. The epithet "the Red" also is somewhat common in the sagas if you think about Eric the Red and one or two more i think. The Red usually was a reference to hair color which fits old Magnus lore. Plus, both Magnus and Odin are known for being powerful sorcerers, both giving an eye in exchange of the knowledge. I wouldn't be surprised if that was common theory, i just haven't looked around to see if other people thought the same.
    For Prospero being space Egypt, it works well with the fact that it ended up burning with all its knowledge, just like the Library of Alexandria.

  • @MrPooleish
    @MrPooleish Před rokem +24

    It's a shame more of them weren't careful allusions with lots of detail. Would love to see a similar breakdown for other references.

    • @HydraulicDesign
      @HydraulicDesign Před rokem +10

      Nah that's the fun.
      -Heart of Darkness Reference
      -tortured gay poet
      -Mr. Raven of the Ravens!

    • @nekrataali
      @nekrataali Před rokem +5

      @@HydraulicDesign You can tell the Rogue Trader designers were pen and paper role players because those are the types of names you'd come up with in your D&D group as you descend into Monty Python references while your GM tries to get the campaign back on track.

    • @shaunmorrison6448
      @shaunmorrison6448 Před rokem +1

      I sort of agree, but I don't think when this was first written they imagined 40K would become what it is today, so it probably wasn't as important to have as detailed fluff as we do now. It's all been haphazardly cobbled together over the years

    • @vituperousrecidivist6141
      @vituperousrecidivist6141 Před rokem +3

      Can you guess from the name what Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau’s faction is?! 😂

    • @nouhorni3229
      @nouhorni3229 Před rokem +1

      @@HydraulicDesignThat's Iron Hand. He has iron hands. He leads the Iron Hands. They also have iron hands.

  • @linhle8294
    @linhle8294 Před rokem +2

    I can't imagine Perturabo name origin is this complex. Make me like the bastard even more

  • @Fordddyyy
    @Fordddyyy Před rokem +13

    As someone who knew about half of these already (either from 40k or already knowing about the name) and having presumably the same education/ cultural frame of reference/interests as the people writing 40k XD This was deeply satisfying to me, thank you

  • @MarkKirwan
    @MarkKirwan Před rokem +13

    Loved this and would very much like to see more like it

  • @noexpensespentstudios
    @noexpensespentstudios Před rokem +12

    Be interesting to see your take on Eldar along these lines. The big Craftworlds are definitely named after pagan festivals - Samhain, Beltane, etc. - so there's probably more interesting stuff lurking waiting to be uncovered, especially with their heavy leaning towards 70s science-fantasy space elves.

  • @larsickenroth7169
    @larsickenroth7169 Před rokem +1

    Some additions:
    - The Dark Angels & Thousand Sons: especially relevant to the recent return of the Lion, and his ‘forestwalking ability’, is the core of Shakespeare’s ‘The Tempest’, in which they tell the story of the Wizard Prospero (yup) who - after an assassination attempt by his brother (Russ) - flees to a very small island (hello new planet of the 1k sons). There he learns magic and uses his wizard-skills to manipulate the people that live there. On the island he is the master of Caliban (yes) and Ariel. Here comes the cool part: he finds Caliban as a sort of ‘wild child’ in the forest. (origin story of the Lion). Caliban also is a descendant of the witch Sycorax (the Emperor), who happens to be the rightful ruler of the island (again: the Emperor) where ‘The Tempest’ (ruinstorm/warp) takes place. The most interesting part for the new novel is that Shakespeare names Caliban as the ‘only one who grows in the storm’, eventually becoming literate, yet still disagreeing with his fate on a very instinctive and primal level. (so: he is the only one who actually is able to benefit from the warp, without it turning on him, because his 'wild child-origin' makes him the opposite of the wizard, who can be tempted by knowledge). Lastly: the wizard Prospero’s favorite saying is: ‘I’ll be wiser hereafter’ - which is a direct connection to the 1k sons and Magnus’ obsession with acquiring knowledge, as well as the ‘Changer of Ways’.
    In turn, the character of Prospero is rumored to have been inspired by John Dee, astronomer / astrologian and wizard to the court of Elizabeth the Ist of England. (similar to the role of Magnus towards the Emperor).
    - For Rogal Dorn, have a look at: Major General Earl van Dorn (historic commander, confederate cavalry). What gave it away? Well, this ‘Dorn’ was shot in his wrist (of all places) by Native Americans and was subsequently given command of the garrisons of two forts below New Orleans on the Missisipi River, as well as the Departement of Texas to capture and secure resources that belonged to the US Army.
    - The story of (Egyptian) Horus actually features a pretty strange part that is quite similar to the ‘geneseed’ used for the Space Marines. Also: have a look at both Horus’s, because you have ‘Horus the younger’ and ‘the elder’, who are quite different characters. (similar to Horus’s change).
    - Lorgar: about Urizen is written ‘ He believes himself holy (yep) and he sets about establishing various sins in a book (hello book of Lorgar) of brass (yep) that serves as a combination of various laws as discovered by Newton, given to Moses, and the general concept of deism, which force uniformity upon mankind. The rest of the Eternals in turn become indignant at Urizen turning against eternity, and they instill these essences of sin within Urizen's creation. (…) also: Urizen features the figure of ‘Orc’, a fallen entity. About which: Symbolically, the Orc cycle describes how Urizen and Orc are part of one unified whole with Urizen representing the destructive and older essence while Orc is the young and creative essence.’ (essentially: order and chaos)

  • @crimcrusader8459
    @crimcrusader8459 Před rokem +1

    The way Konrad Curze ruled Nostramo is also an unsubtle parallel to the historical figure Vlad the Impaler.

  • @DoomsToys
    @DoomsToys Před rokem +1

    Dont mean to offend anyone here but you and bricky are genuinely the only 40k content creators i can watch. You guys are superb and for someone who has only been into 40k for a month ive learned too much from yall! Keep it up!

  • @jeanvonestling7408
    @jeanvonestling7408 Před rokem +2

    I really like the parts where you say when particular name or concept appeared in the lore for the frst time. Usually wikis show just the current canon. Considering how some of the names show to be more thought out than other, it would be interesting to check when each of them appeared.

  • @mzjalic324
    @mzjalic324 Před rokem +4

    I would love a video like this about some of the more well-know IG regiments. It could probably double as a bit of an introduction to each in-universe too, two vids with one stone!

  • @BluJean6692
    @BluJean6692 Před rokem +2

    I always figured Lorgar was just “Lore”+”gar” (Gar has an old English root meaning “spear”, you still see it in names like Edgar…)

  • @adammotter
    @adammotter Před rokem +1

    Videos like this add a level of enrichment to the 40k experience not much else can. Thanks for dedicating the time and effort to this sort of content!

  • @gordlarson3917
    @gordlarson3917 Před rokem +3

    More Historical lore of 40k please. Really just more, your work here is truly amazing. Slow clap to you sir, Slow clap to you.

  • @ludvigschroll338
    @ludvigschroll338 Před rokem +1

    I heard somewhere that Angron name has a little story. The writers apparently frequented a bar with a doorman named Jon. They found home kinda short tempered and so referred to him as "Angry Jon".
    They felt kind of bad for representing a person they knew in the real world as a pretty evil functional character but they where beyond the point of no return on the characters and their names

  • @michaelsblyth
    @michaelsblyth Před rokem +1

    Maybe Magnus the Red, is just "The Big Red Button", which can be pressed in an emergency.
    Might hint to him being able to reset the narrative re: golden throne etc

  • @thunbergmartin
    @thunbergmartin Před rokem +2

    Wow I'm truly amazed,, as you pointed out, the distance in depth between Lion El and Angron. Im all for it, Love an arena of art where both silly and deep coexist, It feels welcoming imo. Also Really great video, Im thankful for your channel and work friend!

  • @LukasBradley
    @LukasBradley Před rokem +1

    Absolutely fantastic, Ian. Extremely well done!

  • @seprithlicastia463
    @seprithlicastia463 Před rokem +8

    I thought this was going to be about the in-lore reason they got their names, but this is so much better! I am especially thrown by Lion El Johnson; it makes some serious subtext to the Lion's relationship with Luthor I now wonder might have been more intentional.
    I would definitely love to see more videos like this! Great work!

    • @Powoga
      @Powoga Před rokem +7

      Well, _subtext_ is an anagram of _buttsex_

    • @lilpretzel5629
      @lilpretzel5629 Před rokem

      Wasnt he his adoptive father tho💀

    • @nekrataali
      @nekrataali Před rokem +1

      @@lilpretzel5629 Spartan system of team building?

    • @seprithlicastia463
      @seprithlicastia463 Před rokem

      @@lilpretzel5629 For like all of a year or two, I think. Primarchs age very fast, and the Lion was noted as being quick to mature. Luthor's scenes portray the relationship as one of very close brothers more than anything. I doubt there is any intended romance in the text anyway. It just makes me wonder about the fact the only Primarch whose story is deeply tied to one particular mortal also happens to be based on a gay man allegory.

    • @imanuelofthelions5518
      @imanuelofthelions5518 Před rokem +1

      That's quite unlikely. The real theme of the Dark Angel is not homosexuality by itself, but hypocrisy, being driven by it and be consumed by it, the burning secrets that go against what you preach around. Besides, we have a whole novel on Luther and this was definetely not mentioned once.
      I wonder, did Primarchs have primal urges or romantic ones? We have bonds of family displayed by all of them, or almost everyone. But romantic relationships? That's actually a pretty interesting topic.

  • @biornr.4031
    @biornr.4031 Před rokem +1

    Fun fact, Lupa is not only the word for she-wolf, but also Latin slang for a prostitute. So, purely linguistically, an alternate interpretation of the story is that some random lady of the night found two babies by the Tiber and brought them up
    As for Korax, his name is not just scientific for raven, but also just the Latin (Corvus) and Ancient Greek (κοράξ) words for raven. His name is literally Raven Raven of the Raven Guard

  • @Williambjarn1
    @Williambjarn1 Před rokem

    Letting you know that I would like more videos like this indeed 😁
    Thanks a lot for everything so far - Your channel is a must watch for me.

  • @brianbowers2318
    @brianbowers2318 Před rokem

    Phenomenal video, Ian. I'd love to watch more along these lines. Keep up the great work!

  • @wobblytide
    @wobblytide Před rokem

    Equal parts hilarious and instructive as always, your videos are a delight, especially lore-related. Thank you!

  • @colewhite9290
    @colewhite9290 Před rokem

    Love your lore videos and deep dives like this one. Keep up the excellent content!

  • @Davidmoire96
    @Davidmoire96 Před rokem

    This was really good, I knew some of the references and easter eggs for for the Primarchs, but you really fleshed them out, great vid!

  • @georgwilliamfriedrichhegel5744

    My favorite fact about the irl Lionel Johnson comes from Alberto Manguel's "The Library at Night," "The English poet Lionel Johnson was so pressed for room [to store his book collection] that he devised shelves suspended from the ceiling like chandeliers."

  • @duncanhamlin8638
    @duncanhamlin8638 Před rokem +1

    I would love to see more videos about the real life history behind a lot of the warhammer themes and stories! This was a great video!

  • @davidadams9624
    @davidadams9624 Před rokem

    absolutely loved this video, it'd be great to see another video like this looking at all of the historical references embedded in the 40k mythos. thanks again for a great video, keep up the good work!

  • @nakenmil
    @nakenmil Před rokem +2

    Man, watching this video gave me such a big nostalgia hit for my formative days learning about 40 back in the early aughts. We would sit and endlessly geek out on message boards over references in Primarch names and shit like the Star Child and what not. Anyways, one thing we kept mentioning about Fulgrim back then, was how the name is composed of two Scandi words for 'ugly': "Ful" (Swedish) and "Grim" more generally. It was kinda funny to imagine that the name of the prettiest and most vain Primarch was somehow intended to mean "Ugly-ugly" (even if that probably never was the intention).

  • @Rockhound1943
    @Rockhound1943 Před rokem

    Always been intrigued by the miniatures and the game but never knew the lore. Your channel has been great fun and I now have a tremendous respect for the authors and game builders so much going. Thanks for taking the time to make these videos.

  • @hoptoadfx
    @hoptoadfx Před rokem

    I think this is your best video yet. Keep them up!

  • @roland9189
    @roland9189 Před rokem +1

    Good Stuff - I always like to see these easter eggs, and you seem to know your stuff, so yeah, I'd lover to see more like this!

  • @jmmllr
    @jmmllr Před rokem +1

    Thank you! I didn't need another reason to love hobby fluff, but now it turns out there are layers on layers that only multiplied my appreciation for decades of lore. This is quickly becoming the premiere lore channel on CZcams. Keep it up, and thank you as always!

  • @scotty7671
    @scotty7671 Před rokem

    Nice one loved that video. Not heard or seen most of that covered anywhere else

  • @fnurglegurgle8554
    @fnurglegurgle8554 Před rokem

    Yes please. More videos like this one. Realllllyyy fun to watch! Great work!

  • @Imeran
    @Imeran Před rokem

    Small tidbit about salamanders (the real world ones, not the Space Marines) that I learned recently: The belief that they are immune to - or made from - fire stems from the fact, that they like to spend the winter months in damp, dark places to hibernate, essentially. The winter months are also where people used to warm their homes with fire... by burning logs... which were stored outside and were damp and dark due to getting wet and being stacked. So from time to time a poor little salamander would be woken up by their winter home going up in flames, scurry out of the fire in fear of their life and people would go "Oooh, see! Another one born from the flames. This year will be a good harvest..." or something along those lines.

  • @halcyondaze2535
    @halcyondaze2535 Před rokem

    I'd love to see more videos like this! I always find it interesting seeing things pulled from other settings and mashed into 40k and turned up to 11.

  • @Gruntcakes69
    @Gruntcakes69 Před rokem

    What a wonderfully informative and well put together video - the best one yet 👌🏼

  • @W0JT3K-r3v
    @W0JT3K-r3v Před rokem +1

    I really enjoy these well reaserched videos and love your retrospectives auswell.

  • @chaosisbaeos
    @chaosisbaeos Před rokem

    Great video, I have always wondered why no one has made a video likes this before.
    I would 100% love to see more videos like this that link 40k to real life mythology and history etc.

  • @TheMrFishnDucks
    @TheMrFishnDucks Před rokem +2

    Awesome video. Had no idea about all the literature and occult stuff. Very informative video. Keep up the good work.

  • @mikeg.1863
    @mikeg.1863 Před rokem +1

    I just wanted to tell Ian "thank you" for being concise, interesting and down to earth in your descriptions of the universe and facets of Warhammer 40k. Longtime fame of the setting (although sadly never played the tabletop game), I had lost touch with this years ago. I rediscovered it a few years ago with the video game Inquisitor, but that felt more like a Diablo clone than I had hoped for.
    When I found your channel I subscribed after the 2nd video I watched! This was directly due to your friendly, detailed discussions showing both the good and not so good sides of the universe as well as your deep dives into the lore. Watching all the lore videos will be a great way to start my New Year!

  • @liquiduso
    @liquiduso Před rokem +1

    This is the first video of yours I've seen and it was a lot of fun! Immediate sub :)

  • @strigoi_guhlqueen8355
    @strigoi_guhlqueen8355 Před rokem +4

    I love these style of videos.
    Studying roman archeology it is a delight to see all the latin and other references to Ancient rome.

  • @davidstark2481
    @davidstark2481 Před rokem

    Great video would love to hear more about the historical references.
    Thanks Ian!😊

  • @Tsarg
    @Tsarg Před rokem

    As always your videos are not only entertaining but also rich with amazing information. Keep em coming Arbitor!

  • @re1v3r
    @re1v3r Před rokem

    I love character names and historical or linguistic efforts behind them. Earned a sub mister ian

  • @chrisc1719
    @chrisc1719 Před rokem

    This is an amazing video. So well researched. Thank you!

  • @drhapi5308
    @drhapi5308 Před rokem +2

    You missed the iron hands Gorgon reference. They’re all turning to iron.

  • @user-jq1mg2mz7o
    @user-jq1mg2mz7o Před 9 měsíci +2

    another fulgrim connection: chemos(h) was the name of a canaanite deity, and the phoenicians were canaanites

  • @tylerelkins4376
    @tylerelkins4376 Před rokem

    I absolutely love all of your content but yes, more videos like this please!

  • @octavius32a64
    @octavius32a64 Před rokem

    I have always loved that Agron is basically because he is angry and possibly called ron :)

  • @patman123ist
    @patman123ist Před rokem

    I for one would love to see more videos from you about the thematic and literary aspects of 40k, especially since I can't readily think of another youtuber that has attempted or even suggested that. More videos like this, absolutely.

  • @badasbob4761
    @badasbob4761 Před rokem

    Would love to see more of these. I love the little reference in 40K, and I'm sure I've missed a load of them. Great video, mate.

  • @adriltythorin6702
    @adriltythorin6702 Před rokem

    Would love to see more of these, very amusing and informative!

  • @beany0077
    @beany0077 Před rokem +1

    I'd love a video on the historical inspirations for necron societal names and practices, this is lovely to watch!

  • @justsomedude3762
    @justsomedude3762 Před rokem +1

    I had heard somewhere that lion means other things instead of just lion. One that I heard was lion can translates to son so lion el’jonsons name would translate to “son of the forest”

  • @neiladams3042
    @neiladams3042 Před rokem +5

    I don't know if many (or any) of the Eldar names (Khaine, Eldanesh, Isha etc.) are based on real-world references, if so it would be great to see a video with a breakdown of them!
    Great video as always :)

    • @nekrataali
      @nekrataali Před rokem

      AFAIK the Eldar names all came from Warhammer Fantasy and were ported over just like the Chaos Gods or the Orc/Orks.

    • @Mugdorna
      @Mugdorna Před rokem +3

      Isha was a Babylonian (maybe Elamite) goddess

    • @hewkii7157
      @hewkii7157 Před rokem +3

      Kurnous is named after the Celtic hunter god Cernunnos
      Khaine I'm pretty sure is named after the biblical Cain (son of Adam, who killed his brother Abel)

  • @CrimsonTemplar2
    @CrimsonTemplar2 Před rokem

    Once again you’ve outdone yourself. Some of these I knew already or had caught onto (mainly the word association ones & especially Conrad Kurze), but a fair few were totally new info.
    One thing that always jumped out at me about Magnus was the obvious Odin symbolism while he’s very much Egyptian themed in iconography, legionary names, etc.

  • @bobartsmith236
    @bobartsmith236 Před rokem

    I'm pretty sure this is the first time I've come across a video or article that covers the subject. Knew about the obvious ones, but it's interesting to see how some of the others came from. Really great video idea!

  • @gigaflynn_
    @gigaflynn_ Před rokem

    This is great, thanks Ian.
    Yes please to more content like this! 🥰

  • @Uncle_Zach
    @Uncle_Zach Před rokem

    Fantastic video! Love learning about the real world references to history and literature in 40k. Get to learn more about the fiction and non-fiction.

  • @samprastherabbit
    @samprastherabbit Před rokem +1

    That was such a great video- I'm also a massive history nerd so seeing the cheeky references & Easter eggs in 40k and especially in Warhammer Fantasy is part of the fun. Would love to see more like these!
    Nearly died at the 'forests are now... johnsons?' bit XD
    Leads to some wonderfully silly joke potential lol

  • @DaddyWarCrimes78
    @DaddyWarCrimes78 Před rokem +1

    To muddy the waters a bit, the Dark Angels use a ton of imagery from Thelema, most notably the unicursal hexagram.

  • @davebowman9000
    @davebowman9000 Před rokem

    Love realing of the story behind the setting! Please do more of this!!

  • @amosb1452
    @amosb1452 Před rokem

    Very interesting. You always bring something new to table .

  • @LinkiePup
    @LinkiePup Před 10 měsíci +1

    My favorite is Ferrus Manus the Iron Handed, who rules his legion the Iron Hands, with Iron Hands, from his ship the Iron Hand.

  • @andyconnell7432
    @andyconnell7432 Před rokem

    Absolutely storming video, damn near choked up a lung at the 'Johnson/Forest' section and so brutally accurate about deadlines and naming conventions.

  • @Geisti
    @Geisti Před rokem +1

    Absolutely more videos about references to all things in 40k!