Film Theory: Saw, How A Dead Man Killed Jigsaw
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It may not be Halloween yet, but it's never too early to talk about one of the best horror series in recent years - Saw. Jigsaw is a pretty iconic horror movie villain. One shrouded in secrets that we uncover throughout the series. One thing we learn is that Jigsaw doesn't usually work alone. There are many people pulling the strings here. Who is the real puppet master? It's time to dive back into the scary world of SAW!
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week 8 of asking for a ‘which total drama challenge is the most deadly’ episode
absolutely we need this
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Don't believe the boys above.
Or the ones below (if there are any)
I will agree, but will this just be season one? Just the classic cast seasons of 1 to 3? What about the rest of the normal seasons, like revenge, all stars, and pakitu? Is ridonculous race gonna have some part in this, might it become a series sorting out these parts?
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There's also the fact that Adam kinda got screwed over without Jigsaw's knowing.
See in the first movie it's revealed that the key to Adam's shackles went down the drain as soon as he woke up in the tub, meaning there was no way he could've possibly been able to retrieve them at any point, basically dooming him.
It's revealed in Saw III that this was due to Amanda doing a half-assed job setting Adam up, literally just tossing his key into his tub without tying it down or anything.
And as we see in the Jigsaw movie, Jigsaw has intervened in games to save victims when he feels they hadn't been given a chance to survive. Shown when he rushes in to save Logan from being killed because he didn't wake up quick enough. He wants them to atleast have a chance, cause that's the whole point.
So there is a precedent.
I would love to see jigsaw looking back on the tape while Amanda's strangling Adam being like " hey I'm gonna watch this tape, that was a fun time... wait.... THE KEY WENT DOWN THE DRAIN! THAT'S UNFAIR! AMANDA STOP THE KILLING!"
Amanda: "what's wrong?"
Jigsaw: " You screwed up! You should of tied up the key to something!"
Amanda:"oh.... should I keep killing him?"
Adam:*choking*
Jigsaw: nah, let's make him an apprentice too."
Amanda"you son of a-"
As posted i would be curious what you think would have been done with the key because the point of his test was that he was relying on others and needs to rely on himself
Not to shame I want theories damm it
@Willy on Wheels No one cares.
Saw 10 Adam is still alive and make the traps and has a doppelganger taking pictures while he real Adam makes traps
@Agent 39 dude I get the premise of this one trap makes no sense but the way you explain it is basically every single jigsaw trap without the context
Like, take the "see no evil" trap from the best friend of the fake jigsaw victim
I can litterally explain the same way you did"I'm going to teach you a lesson by uh...drugging you and...putting you in this hat that makes you can't see...in uh...this weird old house....but uh...the key is ...uh right there....Infront of you....so uh...you can get out...and uh.....report everything to the police"
You aren't even accounting that ,y'know, jigsaw is right there, there's no way he would have made it that easy, it would have probably been an escape room type of thing with the key , but it ended up being the doctor (attempted) murdering adam
I can imagine a set designer watching this like “oh so I DID put the shackle on the wrong foot”
Also in Saw X after credit scene, you see Adam unconcious in the bathroom with the shackle on the LEFT foot.
Everytime that you can clearly see it's Adam his shackle is in the left foot, and everytime you see a corpse (that could be anyone with his built) it is on RIGHT Foot. So that's a strange continuity error, if it is one. It somehow feels intentional.
Lol
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Another point in favor of this was Gordon's insistence that he would come back for him. He was adamant that he wouldn't abandon him then when Gordon is saved he never mentions Adam again? Plus Adam's specialty is taking innocuous photographs and future contestants had many photos to go with their files.
Amanda killed Adam, so Gordon couldn't save him, dumbass.
Why does no one in the comment section get this?
ikr it's weird for gordon to just completely forget about him
also you made a nice pun ( ADAMant )
Finally someone who appreciates Adam! His game was so unfair, he technically did everything right which is another point to why John would save him.
Yeah, he won his game. All his goal was to live. Yep plus Gordon promised to save him and yet became jigsaw’s apprentice.
Everything right? He was suppose to saw his foot off, but he didn't
@@TraceguyRune that doesn’t matter, his game was to survive till six PM at any cost. Which he did, besides I guess he could have done that but it wouldn’t have allowed him to survive
@@sunny_moon1711 actually that would’ve been worse it would’ve led to him bleeding out
the game itself was so frustrating and unfair, Adam was tasked to find a way to live and escape but unfortunately the key that was supposed to save them fell into the bath pipe where Adam was sleeping so when he woke up it fell in, but the big problem was Amanda, she just threw the key in...what!? they could have been saved if she didn't threw the freaking key into the stupid bathtub! 😩 If she hid it properly like a normal game everything would have been fine they could have walked free or something like that...
A fact that MatPat missed. Leigh Whannell - the guy who plays Adam - was the WRITER of the first three Saw films and he produced the last four. If anyone knew where the shackle was supposed to be it would be him!
Also, he forgot to mention the magic gunshot wound that jumps around in all the movies where we see Adam's corpse.
Dude thats insane dam he missed out by not adding that evidence
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@@kaiserwilhelmll8169 tf is that even supposed to mean? Sounds like a nickname for flameheart
@@owyemen9367 lol
@@futurelazarus8217 Did he though? Doesn't really seem relevant. The gunshot is just a continuity error, and the actor being the director doesn't really have anything to do with the story itself.
A lot of fans did think it was odd in the last scene of Saw 7 (not calling it "the final chapter") when Dr. Gordon saw Adam's corpse but had no visible reaction to it, which would make sense if at that point he knew it wasn't really Adam. Also in Saw 8 and Saw 9 we still don't have a Jigsaw apprentice who could have done the surveillance and photography Adam was known for, so honestly the characters and the films themselves seem to support MatPat's theory.
Matt forgot one crucial detail. Amanda failed her apprenticeship for Jigsaw because she made her traps unwinnable, a key example being Officer Kerry. She made plenty of mistakes that Jigsaw could never clean up because she killed people and didn't care about rehabilitating them.
I love this theory. He was a favorite and didn’t deserve to die. Him being the one to pull the strings that lead to Jigsaw’s death is great and a perfect fate for him.
There's a new dhmis
@@Chickennugget-- So? It's not relevant to Saw.
That's might be true.Buz SAW X Is confirmed.
Unfortunately Adam wasn’t in saw X . Wait for another movie in 2 years to see if he returns
unlike the guy in Amadas game?
Finally everything makes sense!
I've always wondered how Jigsaw had the time to track down his "victims" while also setting up the traps.
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He had followers. It's even revealed at the end of the final chapter there's a cult led by Dr Gordon to carry on his legacy. This is an interesting theory, but it really doesn't make sense and has no basis of fact.
I always hoped that Adam would return by the end of the series but all we got was an inconsistently placed corpse.
I think the problem was that the actor was also the writer and producer, a lot of people see it as self-centered or something, even his really small role in Insidious got people triggered.
How can folks be mad at creators making cameos in their stuff? Lots of directors do it
@@erikfinkel2717 I don't know but it sucks, Leigh Whannell was really cute as Adam lol
@@coldstuff9784he was VERY CUTE!!! ❤
We can only know when Saw X released
@@kirkmarcuz635Tbh I think the theory might be right, it makes sense + SAW X is in between the first and second movie and knowing the franchise, there probably will be a plot twist so maybe we can hope this is the case
Funny thing about "Teamwork." No two of Jigsaw's apprentices were ever teammates. Hoffman pretty much just hated/fought with everyone else while no two others besides him interacted with one another.
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Except at the end of Saw 3D, where Gordon and two masked people captured Hoffman to lock him away in the bathroom forever.
@@misterb3577 the producers confirmed that the 2 masked people were ryan and brad from the lovers triangle trap in the beginning of 3D!
@@queefinton Whoa, really? That's surprisingly wholesome, in a weird way. Two spurned boyfriends breaking up with a cheating ex to become best jigsaw buds.
And Amanda wanted his legacy all for herself, so she made rigged traps
An additional note is that Adam didn't fail his game, his only task was survival and he did.
Wrong, dumbass, because Amanda came back and killed him, therefore he didn't survive.
Therefore he fails his task!
I'm pretty sure he didn't free himself like 50% of his goal was. Plus we can't dismiss the poison inside of him.
@@Charlie-xu4fw was it a part of his stipulated goal? additionally John would've cured him if in his eyes he won, so if Adam succeeded his game based off jigsaws merits we can neglect the poison
@@nedia8259 it's mentioned that he had to free himself from the chain in the tape. So yeah, it was a stipulation in the game itself.
@@Charlie-xu4fwdude he didnt have poison inside of him, no one ever said that
There also was a deleted scene in Saw 3 where there's a flashback of Amanda running into Adam and having a nice conversation a while before they kidnap him. It's actually probably one of the nicest scenes of the entire franchise and could explain why Amanda wouldn't be able to go through with it.
Always felt like Adam was one of the most likeable characters of the entire franchise and didn't deserve his supposed fate. All that he did wrong was be a voyeur, something Jigsaw ALSO was in the first movie when they didn't glorify him as much. They made it pretty clear he was a bit of a hypocrite in the first film instead of the dumb psuedo-philosophical crap the later films tried.
It's actually setup in the very first scene, very first act of the very first movie- on who the actual accomplice is.
Adam was planted.
If you watch the first movie and pay really close attention to detail, it is subtlety hinted that he is helping Jigsaw. Throughout the entire series, it's hinted. This is a storyline you have to use your eyes for, not just your ears. So the amazing psychology behind the way it's written and acted out is absolutely mind blowing. It's a beautiful film and franchise for this reason alone.
@@AmandaDixson Now I'm going to have to rewatch it. I loved Saw when I first saw it, it had that Memento vibe to it and the twist actually surprised me.
@@AmandaDixson yeah I always felt like Adam was there just to guide dr Gordon through the game kinda like Amanda was in part 2
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Yeah but that made him interesting
And technically, Adam won his game, but Zep got a toilet tank lid to the head, and was beaten to death. Giving Dr. Gordon the ability to “win” Edit: Thank you for reminding me I was wrong, I’m sorry.
Zep did show up, Adam kills Zep
Zep did show up. There was a whole scene of Adam beating him to death with a toilet lid!
@@user-db9fi8lc3w they mean for six o clock
@@mask938I mean. That’s kinda weird in my opinion cuz in the same film jigsaw basically forces amanda to cut a guy open to get a key to get outta there
I actually believe this. Adam is the only known photographer in the series. He’s like Saw’s TMZ reporter, taking stalker photos, except that he’s hired by anonymous clients to do so. So theoretically he could be hired by anyone and not know who they are, like Hoffman or Kramer.
Its a shame you didnt mention that in The Final Chapter we have two apprentices alongside Gordon in covered pig masks. Its actually a big point of debate of who exactly is under there, and having Adam be one oddly fits
It’s the two boys from the public trap from the beginning of the movie. I haven’t seen this “debated on” as I remember it was either an interview or commentary that explained it.
@@takeru91 Bc the Final Chapter never explained that, that's why a lot of people don't know about them.
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@@_somestuff it was in the dead meat video on that saw film
If this theory is correct, then it would make sense for one to be Adam and the other to be Logan
I actually love this theory, I don’t know if it fits or not but having one of his early victims be his undoing from the shadows sounds poetic.
Good news, this was confirmed to be the case in DVD commentary on Saw 7. There were plans for Saw 7 to be a massive 2 parter with both Adam and Gordon making a reappearance as Jigsaw’s loyal apprentices, with Adam’s body being swapped out (which is why there’s a dual continuity error as pointed out in the video) for Detective Tapp’s. However, due to saw 6 not performing well at the box office, they only got one movie to finish the story.
@@nathan_thorn6906it just wouldn’t work cause Amanda killed Adam in saw 3
One major detail to notice that may go over someone's head considering it happens in the very first movie at the beginning is that Adam accidentally unplugged the tub and then the key goes down the drain. The plot of the game was to have Adam able to move around Jigsaw doesn't know this happened because he was knocked out faking his death. The way he saved that one guy in "Jigsaw" because he had a bigger dose that had him knocked out and able to wake up in time to participate in the game. Or the way that the scans were accidentally mixed up it's known that if Jigsaw makes a real mistake he then fixes it or "saves" the participant. So considering Adam accidentally unplugged the tub I think Jigsaw saved him once he realized he made a mistake.
That’s what I’m hoping
Yeah, he was supposed to be given the key in a way he could use it, and it wouldn't be lost, but instead it's Amanda who messes up the game by carelessly throwing the key into the tub instead, which causes it to be lost, rigging Adam's game from the start. And Jigsaw has made it very apparent he doesn't like rigged traps, so I could see him going back for Adam if he found that out
Does make sense since Jigsaw in Saw 3 mention Amanda's weakness is 'her emotions'. Her abrupt crying at the 36 second mark was her weakness giving in, allowing Adam to live.
Honestly, Knowing how the Saw series works and how many plot twist and undead characters show up in the movies. I'm gonna say that Mat is 80% right on this one
What about the other 20% 🤔🙄
The only problem with this is I think that the way saw directing goes unless Leigh refused to retake his part as Adam they would’ve had some giant big reveal showing that this was happening all along, unless they actually did something genuinely smart in the series for once and intentionally left in unknown in which case props to them but the way all the other movies went I’m just not so sure
yeah if leigh hadnt already confirmed he's not involved in the upcoming saw 10 i'd say this theory would have good chances of coming true
We never saw Hoffman die. Maybe it was implied he died but since we never actually saw him die on screen it can't be ruled out he's alive
@@pastaman68 you do remember that Andrew Garfield confirmed he wasn't in No Way Home, right? With NDAs, an actor's word can't be taken as gospel
This is Saw in a nutshell:
“It’s all fun and games until Jigsaw asks you if you wanna play a game.”
It’s him!
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well yes, but actually... well yes
Personally I really like this idea and not just because I’m a recent convert to Chainshipping. It sucks that Adam has apparently been confirmed dead since the second movie.
Adam & Laurence book ending the entire franchise off the back of this very theory would be PERFECTION!
I've never understood how a survivor of Jigsaw's traps would want to subject someone else to it
Perhaps due to some variation of Stockholm Syndrome. Amanda became almost codependent of Jigsaw after encountering him. Gordon became Jigsaw's most reliable apprentice after he "helped him recover". All apprentices except for maybe Hoffman think that Jigsaw was helping them by putting them in the traps.
Man People who get molested as a child usually ends up doing some molesting. Sooo subject A knows how bad it sucked having their innocent taken from them, but sometimes will end up spreading the depression.
Women be trippn Brah
@@juand.cardona2208 Hoffman was a straight up psychopath. He only wanted to hurt people
I know this is somewhat irrelevant to the subject but there’s a famous quote that says “a slave does not dream of freedom, but enslaving others”. Could explain this a little bit
Adam being alive could also help explain why Gordon joined Kramer. In "Jigsaw" its shown that Kramer will rescue someone who is not given a chance to escape. Given that Amanda haphazardly threw the key into the tub, allowing it to wash away, this would certainly be a game Adam would be unable to escape from. After being nursed by Kramer back to health, and seeing that Kramer actually cares about his victims' "rehabilitation" through his rescue of Adam, Gordon would be more likely to be sympathetic towards Kramer's ideology.
Which victim did he save?
@@DarkDodgers Logan, in Jigsaw. He made a mistake while setting up the trap and drugged Logan too heavily, as a result Logan woke up with only a few seconds to spare before his trap activated, Jigsaw rushed in and saved him because he didn't want Logan to die because of a mistake that he made.
Adam had a chance to saw his foot off.
@@TraceguyRune The saw broke tho.
@@zdervi148 no he threw it across the room in frustration
Fun fact, the pilot short film for saw that essentially made the movie get the green light has Leigh Wannel, the guy who plays adam, in the same position as Amanda. He is in the reverse bear trap.
I guess it's official, Matpat is the best fix-it-fic writer ever
Loved the 1st 2 Saw movies, really goes to show what can be done with small budgets.
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@@daniyal-syed It's genuinely getting creepy now!
@@benito23453 Don't forget Benny Loves You.
I would love to see a Jigsaw movie where Dr. Gordon and Adam work together and carry on Kramer's work. Dr. Gordon was perhaps the only apprentice who actually did everything right and was the only one that didn't go off and do things his own way. And if this theory is right, then Adam also was loyal to Kramer and followed Kramer's teachings.
There's definitely something poetic about the victims we are first introduced to being the only ones who get it right...
Did you not see pt 7?
@@Loch1210if we’re talkin about what Gordon did to Hoffman… in fairness, Gordon was listening to what jigsaw said in “if anything ever happens to my wife, I want you to act immediately “ or something
like that
Thisss was probably what jigsaw meant
And the rotten corpse we see could be Xavier from saw 2 since he also died in the bathroom, only wearing adam's clothes, or at least the shirt.
I really like this theory and hope it's true. I recently watched the first 2 saw movies and I honestly really like Adam. He's not the greatest person but he does show genuine care for Gordon and his family and even acts selflessly towards the end. Plus he can be funny at times.
He also was hiding key things though to save his own skin
But he was supposed to be killed and had no way out to survive, that’s what you do if you want to live
I've been salty about Adam's death ever since I watched the movie for the very first time so many years ago now...and this video has given me a sense of closure. So for that...I thank you. Truly. From the bottom of my heart. This is my personal head canon now.
I love how Matt is still making theories almost 2 decades after the movie has come out
He's made theories on some of the earlier Disney movies, which are at least 80 years old.
More like 12 because the final chapter which ties all the movies together came out in 2010. Without the flashbacks and story in that movie, most of these theories wouldn’t make sense, a lot of evidence in these videos comes from the last few saw movies.
1:52 C'mon MatPat you missed the perfect opportunity to say "A missing piece to this JIGSAW".
For Jigsaw accomplices, you forgot Art - his business partner and lawyer. Art is who he got all the information from for the victims in Saw V (and presumably Saw II). Who, other than priests and lawyers, knows everyone's greatest sins?
To be far, Adam could be like that, just more on the field, taking photos and seeing what they’re doing physically, outside the docs and files and confessions.
Art wasn’t an accomplice, more of he had a bigger role in jigsaw’s games yet still being in a game himself, kind of like Zepp
Art was not an accomplice, it was part of his trap to facilitate the game in the movie. He had some kind of trap that would damage his spine and paralyze him.
Leigh Whannell, the actor that played Adam, was also a writer of Saw I-III, and also also the executive producer of every movie within the franchise (including Spiral and Jigsaw) except the first one. Think he would've been the one to catch some inconsistencies or notice the misplaced shackle or magical moving bullet hole.
@xrrxy vvoi Well, the point of the key not being tied down was perhaps so it could slide down the drain. It did have a glowstick attached. Makes me wonder. If Gordon were to succeed in killing Adam, where was his key? Zepp didn't have it.
Fun fact: There are several errors in the movies that made people theorize Adam was saved, and his corpse was replaced with another victim's body:
- In Saw and Saw III, Adam was chained by his left ankle, but in Saw II and Saw 3D, his corpse was chained by his right ankle.
- In Saw II, Adam's head was tilted downward, while in Saw 3D, his skull was upward and tilted.
- In Saw and Adam's death scene in Saw III, his gunshot wound was on his shoulder. However, in Saw II and the opening scene of Saw III, it was just above his chest, while in Saw 3D, it appeared to be on his stomach.
- Some theorists believe that the corpse was, in fact, David Tapp due to his gunshot wound in the stomach matching with the dead body's injury.
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Thats pretty sick all this has made me believe it more
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@@stephanieclark3506 No.
5:25 “I always come back”,William Afton
Glad to see another Saw video. Such an interesting franchise. I do wish more people had won their games. It would have made for a better story if I felt like the contestants had a real chance to live.
But think about when these movies were released. At the time, the hype/advertisement for the movie was around the creative ways people died by the traps. In the long run I agree that more people should have survived but I think audiences at the time would have been disappointed with so many making it out.
Wasn't this kind of an early precursor to Squid Game? I always fell the traps were made so that there would always be just a single "winner".
@@-._.-KRiS-._.- John Kramer's goal was to rehabilitate people in his own cruel way. Make them stare down the barrel of the gun, so they realize what they've been missing. When Detective Hoffman takes over, he kills some people for the cruelty of it, but is still mostly following Kramer's instructions.
I want more Saw film theories, I think they get a bad wrap for "turtore pr0n" and while the last few movies have been more about "how elaborate can we make the traps" the first 5 I would say actually had a pretty decent plotline throughout them. More aggressive movies I think absolutely qualify is the Hostel series. THAT is stepping into torture pr0n.
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Unfortunately Jigsaws logic kinda ruins a lot of the movies writing.
Lol, “the first 5”? How could you do this injustice to Saw 6? How could you say this? Saw 6 was amazing and the best rated Saw film since the first two… but I understand you were just giving a general statement of the earlier films were better than the later 😂
I like how there were mysteries surrounding every movie. It was a nice tradition every Halloween to go see the newest Saw movie. We all knew Gordon would show up again at some point. We knew Donnie Wahlberg's character would show up again alive at some point. I always had the theory that the pathologist who performed the autopsies was in on it with Jigsaw. Hoffman jumped out of the body bag and killed him but that doesn't mean anything. Perhaps Hoffman knew he was part of it and wanted to cover his tracks by killing him.
Yes
Another thing that could be added onto it is that jigsaw usually puts his followers into a game prior to them joining. Like a test of strength/cleansing of their sins. If they survive and see what he is doing, they would respect the work more and be more committed. Kinda like a do onto you what you are going to do onto others so you understand their pain and suffering
I would not at all be surprised if this theory ends up being true. The Saw Franchise LOVES pullings twists like this, not just to give a sense of overall continutity, but also to surprise the audience in a way that not only answers questions that weren't answered in the film but also give a sense that everything still someway ties back to any of the events from the first movie.
MatPat: Makes Saw theories.
Jigsaw: We gotta do something about this guy.
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"Hello Mathew Patrick. I want to play a game. All you have done is sit around in a closet, recording videos for the people on the internet to see and spreading theories. Today, your theories will be put to the test."
Before anyone can get mad at me, he has said before that he literally does recordings in a closet. I'm not sure if that's the case now but it used to be the case. So.
Honestly, I love this. Thank you Matpat and Co, for theorizing on horror movies like this, cause I love horror movie lore.
And I want this to be true, it’d be so fitting. Instead of a bunch of coincidences all at once, one person happening to find something out and things fracturing, it’s a series of manipulated dominoes being toppled, just like how Jigsaw works, but his own twisted modus operandi was used against him. And I also liked Adam (I dunno why I do, he’s not particularly likable, I just find him entertaining), so the first victim of the first game we see in Saw being the person to finally pull the trigger, and end Jigsaw’s madness? It’d be beautiful.
(Also, to everyone who may say “it’s just a leg shackle, why would they care about that detail”, it was literally pointed out by Jigsaw himself in the movie. If they wanted to recreate everything, they’d have to had watched the film, and had to have seen that detail being mentioned. If something’s pointed out like that, it wouldn’t make sense to just blow it off if you’re trying to go ALL in. Then again, maybe I’m just playing devil’s advocate.)
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The saw movies always made random plot points and made them mysteriously unanswered so they had material for future films. When Amanda found that note in 3, the writers didn't actually know what was in the note, they just added it as a seed for a future plotline. The franchise is filled with those, and some were left untouched. It's just a product of the haphazard writing method they used for the franchise. Plant a seed now, make up an explanation later.
@@captaincaptain2128 I agree. Why would they Even plant a dead body there in the first place to replace Adam. I havent seen the movies in a while, but it doesnt really make sense, unless they planted it there for the audience
*gasp*
It's like someone has been putting the pieces in to finish a jigsaw puzzle
And Adam being in a saw trap was the first corner piece
Jigsaw killings were so few it felt like he did nothing
woww i was really ready to come into this video with the mindset of “dude we saw him being suffocated” but you have made a very compelling case
I was never a big fan of Saw movies but from what I watched I always had a feeling Adam wasn't dead and ended up working with Kramer. It just seemed very suspicious for him to be just left for dead and felt more like a scare tactic to soften him up to the idea of working for Kramer. Like Kramer was planning on "rescuing him" from the brink of death to recruit him as a loyal accomplice.
Yea and I always wondered when Gordon promised to come back to save him after he becomes an apprentice did he go back? Or did John realize he followed the rules of his game
His dead body is in Saw X too
This is what I didn't understand. Adam was just supposed to survive. He didn't have a specific task to accomplish like many others who are tested by John. It didn't make sense why John would shut the door on him and leave him locked away when he should have let him go once the game was complete because he did survive until the time expired, meaning that he technically won since he was still alive after the indicated time had passed.
Beside the wife of that guy who lied about being a Jigsaw victim, I always thought Adam got the rawest deal out of anyone in the franchise. If this theory is true, that would be so awesome.
I love the Saw movies so much and Adam is my favorite character out of all of them and me and my friends, and other people online, have been talking about this theory that adam is alive and maybe working for jigsaw. I even noticed the detail about the chain on adam's corpse being on the wrong foot implying that someone freed adam and replaced him with a fake corpse.
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It's definitely the guy who killed Jigsaw, because he's also the inventor of saw and wrote the script for the first movies. Also involved in insidious franchise and the new recent invisible man movie, wich is also great fun.
This would be kind of a neat twist for Saw X.
I keep hearing theories about “Well someone was taking photos for John and therefore Adam is alive as he fits the bill.” People forget that John, Hoffman and Amanda were taking photos of victims BEFORE Adam’s game. So why would John keep Adam alive just to have someone take photos? He already has apprentices for that.
I came in thinking that this was going to be a stretch but I have to admit that this is a solid theory. Another justification could be that Jigsaw, like he did in the film 'Jigsaw', could have realised that Adam wasn't guilty enough to justify his punishment and could have offered salvation in the form of being an accomplice.
But remember Jeff’s wife she was chosen to be killed for taking anti depressants and the wife of the guy from saw 3d was killed for no real good reason
@@WSendam Fair point. It's not the most solid evidence
@@whodatboi2567 thanks man
It is a stretch - the only actual piece of evidence is the 'wrong leg chained' evidence. The rest is just conjecture of plot points based on the idea that Adam was actually alive and working with Jigsaw.
The wrong leg chained evidence isn't enough to support the theory on its own, as continuity errors are a thing in almost every film (let alone across a series of films), so while it would be very bad luck for production to make the same mistake twice in two different movies, it's definitely not impossible.
It's actually the storyline; not a theory.
Adam has always been the accomplice. It's made clear in the first movie. You have to pay extra close attention to notice.
I want a SAW movie were the victims has common sense, knows about the ways of Jigsaw, and are not easily manipulated...
Would be interesting to watch...
Like a game of chess...
How many steps would the killer take so the survivors makes their mistake make sense...
No keys going down the drain while unconscious...
No death sentence traps...
No McGuffins or plot devices...
Just a pure match between intellectual individuals...
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@@bobz1782 That's would be quite interesting...
They should also make the gore at the same level as The Boys or Ash vs EvilDead
@@bobz1782 Well, have you seen any of the Evil Dead movies?
@@bobz1782 Everything Evil Dead is amazing, Evil Dead 1 and 2, Army Of Darkness, and Ash Vs. Evil Dead. If you haven't seen 1, 2, and 3 I'd recommend watching those before the show.
@@bobz1782 Not sure if you watch anime, but squid games kind of reminds me of the anime "Gyakkyō Burai Kaiji: Ultimate Survivor"
I just finished binging 1-9 and I’m amazed by what you came up with. I literally thought the first photo I saw in iv was weird and I was like “who you go taking pics for you?” But I never even thought it could be Adam cuz of the corpse in the bathroom. You blew my mind with this video lol
I will never get over the weird fandom around Adam.
If Adam is still alive, it might be a genius maneuver to have a way to revive the series in case they ever want to
Theyll totally recast Adam tho, Leigh along w James exited the franchise at 3 or 4. Unless those two themselves are the ones that decide to do a revival. Even then who knows if Leigh would still want to revive Adam.
Funny enough in the Jigsaw film, Jigsaw let's a guy go because he messed up and nearly killed him while he was unconscious.
That film presents Jigsaw as shockingly fair and reasonable.
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I would believe this if only they didnt show Amanda suffocating him with a plastic bag.
After Saw X it might be safe to assume Adam is actually still alive. (It also helps build saw 11 and may tell who the Two other pig heads may be that we’re helping Dr.gordan at the end of saw 8.)
First it was confirmed it was brad and Ryan as the pig heads, second its saw 7 saw 8 is jigsaw which the only returning character is John kramer
3:10 the real jigsaw was the dismemberment we made along the way
As a DIE hard fan of the Saw series, and ALWAYS been digging deeper and deeper into the storyline.
I think your right about this theory Mattpat. If Chris makes another saw...THIS might save the series. But then again, if we ALL know the ending...then the entire movie is blown.
My guess, this is true, and Adam will die off mid way through the movie in a trap to keep us aways from this theory
I also kinda hope that Hoffmann is still alive somehow. That would be a few twists, if they revealed Adam and Hoffman being alive in a new movie
@@night31869 saw x is happening. There is speculation that it is a prequel based on John Kramer. Hopefully revealing more on his earlier traps and accomplices
@@kabir.goyal0072I prefer that!
Well Saw X which takes place between Saw 1 & Saw 2 could semi make this theory true, which I am so hoping for, since I love Adam's character, it's a shame what they seemingly did to him in this series in Saw 3, which is not realistic for a person to die of suffocation for 36 seconds.
Dr Gordon, Adam , and Hoffman should return for a final saw movie
Also the last line that was said in the montage right before the infamous “game over” was “some people are so ungrateful to be alive, not you, not anymore.” The line that comes when you survive a trap. That seems like an odd line to play right before someone gets sealed away to die. Alls I’m sayin hoss.
Im glad the saw franchise is finally getting the attention it deserves again
@bo rick never really lacked it-
@bo rick When it comes to the SAW fan base and the theories that people had for it. SAW never really had much attention and was simply remembered as that gory horror film with gory traps but never recognized for its ingenious psychological thriller elements.
Yes! I watched the entire series in 2020 and I’ve noticed a lot of other people picking it up around then as well. It’s one of my favorite series now :)
I love the Saw movies so much, I'm happy to see it get a theory, and it does make a lot of sense Saw loves to bring back supposedly Dead characters.
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same, the saw franchise is great
As a saw fan I remember at one point, I liked the idea that Dr Gordon some how saved Adam and became allies or something...but this theory is awesome to so✌️ am content 🙃
Also I hated how the key that was going to save them fell into the pipe being lost forever. so the way the game ends with Adam being stuck was frustrating am I the only one who felt this way?
Same
Given just how hard they insist on making those sequels, and as they run out of ways to excuse their existence, at this point they MIGHT actually go with this theory
I love how much he puts into all his theories and makes it actually make sense. Keep up the good work matpat!!!
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Why are there so many bots, lol
Am I the only normal person here?
Only the film theories tho
And MAYBE food theories
Make sense? Ok lmao
This has honestly been a personal headcannon of mine ever since I finished the series. These movies love bringing things full circle and I think bringing Adam back like this would be perfect. Honestly makes me wonder if an idea like this would be enough to bring Leigh Whannell back to the series (if they end up making more).
This entire theory is built around the idea that no one else can take pictures
why would he need Adam when hes got a detective and a doctor , between them both they have access to all the information jig would need....
I’m so happy you’ve posted, I just sprained my ankle and it’s the worst thing ever, and this video just made me so happy
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Hey Matt. I just wanted to say that you and the team are doing a good job. I feel like so many people make fun of you and the channel and not enough people recognise that there is effort put into the channel and your videos. Thanks for sticking around and trying your best.
i think its because of of the batshit insanity in the conclusions they make. instead of it being lazy
@@rasheedyoufreealrajhi6022 oh no I definitely agree. I’m not saying every theory he has made is gospel. I do think the same sort of thing but at the same time i can’t hate the guy…although he might need to get some sleep or take a short break…
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@Ba Doai what does this have to do with anything?
He literally copies most of his theories from reddit, such hard work huh? And who needs proof anyways?
even before this video was made, i always thought Adam survived and aligned with John. which explains photos of previous/upcoming jigsaw victims that only Adam could've pulled off
I guess this may become true for the next saw movie
jigsaw could have also saved adam because, in saw 2 or 3 it's shown that amanda threw the key to their shackles into the tub where it was then sucked down the drain basically screwing them . jigsaw could have looked at the cameras after the ending and saw the potential of having adam on his side and unfairness in adam "death"
I always thought he was too cute to be just killed and forgotten
I hope that adam is revealed to be alive in saw x, even though people are tired of the more secret Helper thing I still hope he is alive
I'm definitely going to have to rewatch all the Saws now
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The corpse in the bathroom could be Zeps corpse.
it's insane how much sense this makes 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
I love the Saw series, its one of my favourite horror franchises! I'm glad MatPat is doing another theory on it! ✨
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Pls someone tell me am I the only real person here?
I totally agree lol. There are so many bots here that I can't tell who are the real people lmao. Still think saw is one of the best series made.
The bots outshine the people
The shackle on different ankles is the tipping point for me. You're absolutely right that it's a huge studio mistake if it happened not once, but twice. Especially after John does specifically say to put it on his left ankle, great theory man 👍
I kinda like the idea that a secret villain gets away and it's never truly revealed, only through hints and clues left for us to figure out. I wish films and shows would have something like that for us to figure out.
Its cool that Adam from the first movie was also the writer.
This would have being an interesting thing to add to the movies.
Matt Pat I swear to God stay out of my search history I have been looking up homemade table saws trying to make a design and here you are making a video of Saw I'm so proud of you.
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@@futurelazarus8217 Wait what is it. I'm interested.
@@God-gf6ye no
Now THIS is the ammo I needed to fill my 'Adam is still alive' cup for the day thank you
I won't be surprised if we see Adam in Saw X🤷♂️
Never thought you'd upload another video about Saw!! I'm glad you did!!
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Depending on how long he was still chained alive in the bathroom weak from hunger or thirst could of been a factor when hes suffocated by amanda. Also he still had poison coursing through him. So 36 sec isnt entirely impossible
Zep was the one poisoned. Adam's task was to just survive. John wouldn't have given him the chance to walk around freely (if Amanda hadn't rigged the game) and leave as soon as Zep opens the door.
He won his game, so why would John leave him to die? It isn't John's morals to let people die that won their games.
He murses them back to health or gives them the things they need to survive.
Didn't realize this was from a year ago. MatPat's voice after the cold open literally jumpscared me.
Y'know, there's one more piece of evidence that helps this theory. The movie "Jigsaw" shows John saving someone who was about to die because they were asleep and then took him as his apprentice. Was kinda hoping that Matt would've pointed this out, tbh
@@MBG.426 Well, yeah, but this doesn't disprove that he couldn't have saved someone else.
Never considered the photographs being Adam's work. That makes a lot of sense. Now people don't need to be angry that Gordon didn't go back for Adam.