Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017) - They Don't Care About Us Scene (8/10) | Movieclips
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- Spider-Man: Homecoming - Confronting the Vulture: Spider-Man (tom Holland) finally catches up to Toomes (Michael Keaton) and finds he's a little out of his league.
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Thrilled by his experience with the Avengers, young Peter Parker returns home to live with his Aunt May. Under the watchful eye of mentor Tony Stark, Parker starts to embrace his newfound identity as Spider-Man. He also tries to return to his normal daily routine -- distracted by thoughts of proving himself to be more than just a friendly neighborhood superhero. Peter must soon put his powers to the test when the evil Vulture emerges to threaten everything that he holds dear.
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Cast: Tom Holland, Michael Keaton
Screewriter: Chris McKenna, Christopher Ford, Erik Sommers, John Francis Daley, Jon Watts, Jonathan Goldstein
Director: Jon Watts
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"Yeah, but I understand that selling weapons to criminals is wrong."
"How do you think your buddy Stark paid for that tower?"
*that was an actually good comeback*
Well, Stark himself thought his company was only selling to the government, while Obadiah was the one selling to criminals, and we know how the rest played out in the first Iron Man after Stark found out about it.
Dante
The government? Because they’re so innocent right? Lol
@@MR.ICE. You do realize we're talking in the confines of the first Iron Man movie, right? I'm not talking about the real world.
@@PronounceGaming the whole Stark lineage sold weapons to the US goverment, the biggest criminals of the entire world
@@PronounceGaming wrong, remember age of ultron, stark admitted to make business with a gun smuggler, i forget his name. so yeah stark aint a saint.
That awkward moment when the villain speaks more truth than anybody.
Not awkward, more like you just realized how powerful and smart the villain really is
And even worse, we are supposed to buy that all that Vulture said is just a heap of demagogical lies. And yet, I couldnt help myself but to agree with all he said. And of course, it is easily to judge from "moral high" perspective, when you judge a person that had a choice of either becoming criminal outlaw or sentece himself and all he cared for to misserable life as homeless beggars under bridge. Peter should probably go preaching about "It is wrong..." to his beloved Tony Stark, a greedy jerk that cornered and pushed another person to path of crime just to get more income to his already gargantuan heap of wealth. Greed is good, I guess, eh Peter?
@@mausolus8466 No, what he said was true, but he’s also being a hypocrite. He transcended from a poorer class to one of power, I mean, have you seen his house? And yet, despite criticizing Stark for what he did, he continues along the same path, creating the same potential for destruction.
@@lukesewell8294 There are some distinct differences however 1) Vulture was truly forced into becoming arms dealer (it is easy to preach about morality of "greater good" when welfare of your loved ones isnt at stake) by Stark. Vulture turned from common honest working family man to criminal family men, while Stark turned from grade-A a**hole to slightly less grade-A a**hole 2) motivation. Vultures motivation to turn into arms dealing was to secure his family and protect them from becoming homeless. Stark on the other hand jus wanted a few more numbers on his already gargantuan account. Vulture is a criminal outlaw that deeply cares about those he loves and shows that theres no limit he would go to protect them. Stark is arrogant narcisst full of himself that causes so much harm and colateral damage around himself just for his vanity and ignorance, yet due to his PR team funded by his inherited gargantuan wealth and his connections in goverment, he manages to come out as noble hero. So yes, I have a bias here.
@@mausolus8466 so what your saying is that iron man saved the world for a paycheck. I completely understand your vulture point, but I don't understand your stark point at all, yes he is narcissistic, but it does not take away from the fact that he is trying to be a hero. For one, he doesn't get paid to save the world at all, all of his money comes from his inventions and tech, that's it, in fact, no superheroes in the mcu get paid at all for their superhero work. Stark has already proved himself a proper hero in endgame when he sacrificed himself to save the universe, yes iron man is heavily flawed, but that's what makes him great.
You really understood where the vulture was coming from in this movie. Great acting by Michael Keaton.
Agree. I actually felt for him in this. I usually don’t even when villains have a sad past. Was just saying how the actors in this movie couldn’t have been more perfect for the role. Love Michael Keaton. Loved him since Batman as a kid
V-Rex Please tell me you're kidding...
It ironically even fits his villain name as well. A vulture feeds on the dead and leftover scraps of food like this version tells us in order to survive. He's trying to survive in his version of a dying world (this case, those struggling as the working class) while still providing for his family.
Well played, Marvel
That's all true, which helped make the film so gripping. For me though I was taken out of it when Vulture activated his wings. I was hoping for a 'join me and feel the power of the dark side' moment.
It’s Keaton, he never turns in a bad performance.
I love how the modern Vulture outfit is a realistic take on the suit while still referencing the original costume with the shoulder plumage
This is his ultimate universe costume that has been improved
@The King of the Penguins - As do I.
In the ultimate comics, Toomes wore a feathered collar jacket just like that. He never wore his trademark vulture suit. But it is a nice reference to the classic outfit
@@puffpuffpassmako I said ultimate suit that has been improvised
It makes sense, too. Those bomber jackets are made to be warm when flying high in the cold, and Adrian certainly needs that.
Villain or not, Vulture makes a valid point, his gripe with Tony Stark for putting him out of business and his anger over the fact that he was brushed aside by the authorities who didn't care are understandable and the fact that his reasons for being a criminal are justified.
The bit where he said "how do you think your buddy stark paid for that tower". Made me really think that tony start wasn't all that heroic selling weapons for decades getting rich off war
The movie does a horrible job of making this stark's fault cause tony didn't know about this
@@connordowning216 Tony was selling weapons to the US government, not the Ten Rings in Iron Man 1. That was Obadiah Stane. You can argue it's not much better, but it's not a literal radical terrorist organization.
@@SEliteGuitarist Weapons is made for killing no matter which side you are in. US Government make ton of profit from war. Greed of Government is what creating Vulture after all.
@@SEliteGuitarist Even if he didn't directly know he must have profited from it. So to say that the tower was built by Stark Industries selling to criminals is probably correct.
Micheal Keaton and Tom Holland have excellent chemistry
@SJ RANKS - They really do.
SJ RANKS they have really good chemistry in what in my opinion is a mediocre Marvel movie
Vsatyk definitely. But I do think the movie is still forgettable though.
Supahstar Warrior what does that mean?
@@nathanslay6342 He tells you to commit suicide.
What a stupid guy.
I love how toomes not only has distinctly vulture-like qualities to his suit, but it totally fits his character motivations as well. he started as an independent contractor “cleaning up after the avengers”, salvaging the remains like a vulture. “we have to eat their table scraps” …it’s done perfectly
I really liked his jacket it's a really good and comfortable jacket
His whole life is revolves around “vulture”. He had a scrap business that basically what a vulture does, surviving off scraps. Also his whole vulture suit was basically built by scraps he found.
Facts I feel Keaton makes a better villian than superhero
The vulture was just a dad trying to support his family. What I loved about this movie was the vulture. He's just ahard core criminal. The car scene was so good. This movie finally delivered us a villain in the MCU that I can relate to and really understand and get behind.
Car scene is chilling
I thought Zemo in Civil War was also pretty sympathetic: a family man who lost his family and blamed the Avengers.
@@thomasgray8488 Zemo's motivation was fine, but the execution was ridiculous. Really? This one guy did all this crap? This random guy who lost his family pulled off a Joker level scheme? No one knew what the doctor looked like, or did any meaningful checking on the guy you let walk into the room with the crazy super soldier?
Well I mean he did just willingly kill a teenager...
Though he is a boss villain with cool motivations
That car scene had me frozen in fear. Absolutely chilling.
I like how Adrian referenced how Tony was "selling" the Ten Rings his Jericho missiles in Iron Man 1 when Spider-Man confronted him.
He could also be referring to Klaue
Huh? Tony didn't sell to the 10 Rings.
@@starwarsnerd100 he said "selling"
It was Obadiah giving them to the Ten Rings
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That was Obadiah.
Finally Marvel made a villain that makes us take care about him.
I wouldn't just say care, I was honestly kind of siding with Adrian! Trully well written character.And when he refferenced Tony getting his fortune off of selling guns to terrorists. Damn, he had a lot of points.
ehm Loki?
Loki and Yondu were sympathetic too. I honestly can't name any others.
Mateusz Małolepszy I thought it was Stane’s decision to sell to both sides
Yes! Vulture defenitely making sense here. Peter is so naive
Why is this by far a villain that you can relate to lol
Because he is right, 1% of the world probably has more money than the remaining 99% does, not saying it´s wrong but the richest often act like they have a divine right to do as they please because society in a way that benefits them
because the hero itself is meant to be the most relatable, I guess
@@flingstrike8893 Well, I'll say it for you: It is wrong.
@@flingstrike8893 And because of the exceedingly high beurocracy and government control over the masses without enough consideration for the civilians and too much decision making and enforcement of rules and acts without democratically consulting the population. Also,political greed is a major factor here
@@dasik84 so getting successful by starting your own company and chasing your dream is wrong? bruh. the richest people right now are all self made and came from scrap.
Michael Keaton's Vulture is by far one of the best MCU villains, his story was really well written and his acting was amazing..
Pluss he is batman
But this Peter was A childish idiot. Couldn't think himself out of A room. Got tired climbing the Monument. Couldn't break its window. He's supposed to be A genius with super powers.
He's the MCU version of Heisenberg.
Facts one of Keaton's best performances also Beetlejuice,Jack Frost , birdman and batman
This was really an interesting take for the vulture and hell even J. Jonah Jameson himself proved that Spiderman truly was not a hero enough.
Notice how it's always the villain that speaks the truth... A little tactic that Hollywood likes to play.
Peter speaks the truth as much as, if not more so than, Toomes in this scene.
"Its over, I've got you"❌ "Selling weapons to criminals is wrong,"⭕ "that thing hasn't even touched me"❌
Its been that way since the day of stage plays
You never hear this regarding past presidential administrations.
Nearly all of them have screwed america out of it's history.
"History is written by the victors." - Winston Churchill.
I like how, in some ways, that speech has so much influence to Peter's perpective of the world to the point to refuse to join the Avengers because he knows that there some people, like him, who needs Spider-Man.
Maybe Spider-Man Homecoming is not a perfect movie, but it has some good points like this scene.
0:38 he sounded so much like Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man
Tom Archer yeah
“You’re the one who’s out, Vulture! Out of your mind!”
This whole thing made me think of "Misery Misery Misery. I offered you friendship and you spat in my face"
Toomes was spot on in his assessment of how the world works. A movie where the villian has critcial thinking capability and uses it is worth of my time. This is like the comment that Nick Fury made in 'Avengers',....."Remind me again how you made your fortune, Stark."
@Starscream91 If people knew the real truth about these mass shootings today and who's really behind it, I believe they would continue to remain willfully ignorant.
@Starscream91 ....practically all of them since 2007,........take your pick. The over-whelming evidence is there in the media's own footage of these staged events.
Starscream91 it ain’t a theory, it’s a conspiracy. I think he has it all twisted backwards. The media doesn’t create these events, they sensationalize them to push an agenda. And in he end, it only benefits them.
@Starscream91 Most of rich and powerful people don't care at all. They will ruin your life without blinking their eyes and if you try to get justice, they have army of lawyers and just won't even get a chance to make your point.
They see normal people not more than just insect or cheap tools to make their money.
Mike Dasik word ^^^
I love how the monologue outlines how he is forced to live off Starks scraps.. he truly embodies a vulture
That backflip at 2:05 looks too familiar. Like how he did flipping over the Glider in the first Spider-Man movie with Toby Macguire!
Microphone Jacket! Imagine if that killed him lol
Willem Dafoe: "Oh."
@@nicknguyen1632
*Don't tell Harry about this*
Microphone Jacket! Yea from a far-superior movie haha
Do you think Toby invented back flips or something?
Awesome vulture jacket
kingofgames93 Right?
Comic accurate too lol
Not too accurate, but real thing adaptation.
It would look even better on Kraven.
Rick Grimes but Kraven wears a Loin suit
His conversation about "rich people and and the people that fighting for the rich people" is just giving me goosebumps right there!!!
Michael Keaton made this movie so great, his chemistry with Tom and his completely justifiable motives. Christ, Keaton is an effortlessly brilliant actor in any project he signs onto, like boy, let me sweat out some of my prodigious acting talent in every scene I'm in.
Facts the dad talk scene scars me even to this day 😯
Vulture talking about having to pickup the scraps from guys like Stark, like a real vulture. great writing
I really like the fact that Michael Keaton and Tom Holland play their roles with depth to it, its not just a superhero/villain conversation, they add the age, experience, status and background of every person we watch in this movie, sometimes the heroes are blinded by their own justice, act on what was right but they never knew what the outcome will become, the best example of this is Iron man movie trilogies, and sometimes the villain just had enough to take the path that makes them look bad with a great reason by doing it and when confronted by heroes they cannot go back and continue doing so, even the great Capt America is willing to take the criminal path just for Bucky, im not saying Capt is a villain but atleast Capt have the understanding of where some villains come from and why they're doing it which makes Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr great by portrying their roles like it was them, Iron man is a rich and spoiled kid with everything in plate, unlike Capt A with nothing even a body, 2 different paths that lead the same way and see what the others cannot see, which leads to Civil War, i mean even the small detail Marvel does if you think about it, its what they do with the big details and make it to greater heights which leads them to Thanos, Thanos may be a villain in comics but in MCU, if you think how Thanos thinks, his right, the universe is over populated and the resources are limited, the first thing i think when i heard this line was my country, the goverment cannot feed all its people coz of over population and it makes a solid impact when pandemic hits in global scale, its the dark truth we dont wanna see even though we knew it all along, Marvel is doing a great job at portraying a dark truth behind a Disney friendly movie
That moment when you start to root for the villain a little bit...
Liberating feeling, isn’t it?
@@guardsmengunner yep
Me with thanos
U took that long!?
I start rooting for him, since stark fire him and his cleaning crew
I do
Marvel villain: Person who accurately points out how evil the heroes are, but then randomly starts murdering people to stop fans from rooting for them.
If that wasn't the case the wouldn't be villains. The rule you see it goes something like this: You can't make a villain too sympathetic because you can ruined the journey of the hero.
So, the best OG Batman just became one of the best New Marvel villains? Sold.
Christian bale is next by the way, in Thor love and thunder
@@martinlopez2816 it doesn’t really count since he wasn’t in the MCU and wasn’t a villain but Ben Affleck was also Daredevil, that’s 3 Batmen in a row playing marvel characters too. Now all we need is Robert Pattinson😂
@@ZacV47 he is going to be in the new thor
@@Saltystreamer89 I knew my wording was going to confuse some people
I’m saying Ben affleck was in daredevil
So it doesn’t count since it’s not in the MCU and he’s not a villain
I just thought it was a fun fact
I know a lot of people have said this, but I just can't resist the temptation.
He lived long enough to see himself become the villain.
when a villain speaks the truth you know we live in a fucked up world.
2:04 "Godspeed, Spider-Man!"
Oh
this is a top 3 scene in the MCU.. the message Vulture gives Pete is so powerful. resonates really well with society and how we perceive "right" and "wrong"..
"those people Pete, those people up there, the rich and the powerful, they do whatever they want. Guys like us, like you and me.. they dont care about us."
he forgot to say: ''...until they need us''.
Could be talking about most of the dumbass politicians in Washington too 😅
@@flanagamer You mean tha ones that are actually ruining Blue states right now?
Hardly powerful since Vulture is being a hypocrite, given that he is rich, has money, and is selling weapons that are more powerful than what Tony was selling to the government
@@ericstorm6582 But remember the real lesson in the movie:
He wanted to take a risk with a lot of savings with some other workers on order to give his family a better life THE GOOD WAY. But suddenly, Tony crashed that possibility.
He kinda got no other option than doing bad stuff to get a better life for his family since the good way was showed to be worthless.
I’m surprised Peter didn’t say “But Mr. Stark stopped making weapons.”
But then Adrian would have retorted with something like “Only after getting kidnapped and seeing his toys in terrorist hands. Yeah, he had a real epiphany.”
Vulture has really great points, but I've noticed a flaw in his philosophy: He's selling weapons that endanger the "Normal guys". He says the rich people only care about themselves, yet he doesn't care about the people who died because of him. He may care about his family, but he can't use them as an excuse to engage in illegal actions.
Has he not even considered the possibility that his own family may end up victims of one of his customers?
His philosophy is: If rich people don't care, why should I?
@733Rafael Agreed.
Where's the quote from?
He did say earlier to one of his henchmen that he didn't want him trading too close to his family. Another thing is a lot of times in certain situations a man will disregard the safety and wellbeing of others including his friends if it means his family is taken care of.
@@StuckonStupid84
This is as close to the DnD/Pathfinder alignment system as you can get. A Good person does right by others before herself. A Evil person does right by themselves before others. A Neutral person does right by them and their immediate concerns - friends, family and what have you - but is largely apathetic to those outside of that circle.
Very few people are truly altruistic to the extreme or selfish to the extreme. Everyone else has variously different sized "circles" that their attention and care extends to. It could be as small as one other person, as large as a whole nation and more, but it varies from person to person.
With Adrian, we get a sense of how big his circle is and when it is at time larger and smaller than the hero'(e)s circle(s).
"Those people up these, the rich and the powerful, they do whatever they want , guys like us, u and me. they don' t care about us/ we build their roads and we fight all of their wars and everything/ They don't care about us, we have to pick up, we have to eat their table scraps, thats how it is"
The character's so well written, and Micheal Keaton acting just delivers it home
Villain Has a Point: When the government agency "Damage Control" took over Toomes' contract and forced him off the cleanup site, they inflicted financial hardship on him and jeopardized his ability to support his family. Toomes points out to Peter that he's young and doesn't understand that the "rich and powerful, they do whatever they want" and just don't care about "guys like us". He even points out that Tony Stark himself first made his fortune as a weapons manufacturer and ultimately claims that everything he has done has been to secure his family's future. Peter, driven by his high moral standards points that selling weapons to criminals is still wrong and while he doesn't relent in stopping Toomes' plans, it does appear some part of what he said resonated with Peter as reflected in his decision to turn down Stark's offer to join the Avengers and remain someone "to look out for the little guy".
That is honestly what I think the Nostalgia Critic didn't understand in this movie during his review of it during Disneycember, and I also think that a lot of people completely missed the lesson that was being told in this movie. The Small Things Matter. Small crimes are still crimes, the reason the vulture was able to operate was because he operated under the radar, the avengers get so caught in trying to stop global level threats, they forget the problems that are right in their own backyard *Cough Daredevil universe* also what makes Spider-Man so great wasn't because he wasn't fighting off intergalactic villains, or trying to save the world. He was just going after mugger and criminals who didn't want to destroy the planet, most of them were either just trying to get rich, or become powerful crime figures. Plus what made him relatable in the '60s was that he was a teenager, it wasn't just about the suit and trying to save the day, it was about the school problems, the girl problems. To quote Green Arrow from Justice League Unlimited
"I don't belong here fighting monsters and supervillains, I just help the little guy, and in a club like this you tend to forget about them."
@@K1ng1995 Meanwhile Read Richards is in another dimention.
It's even more ironic coming from Micheal Keaton considering he played Batman who always upheld his moral standards no matter how bad a criminal's life made them who they are.
It doesn’t excuse him.
Reddit: "Oh wow omg Killmonger wow he makes so much sense or whatever"
Vulture: "Sit down."
They were both right. Difference is T'challa learned from Killmonger and adapted his views into ones that helped the world, whereas Pete just went right back to licking Tony's boots.
@@TheSeptet peter isn’t a king dumbass he doesn’t have any power to do what T’Challa did, calling tony a bad guy means nothing to Peter cuz he knows that he’s changed
I'm not even remotely surprised that someone like you would try and downplay Kilmonger. They're both amazing villians that you can get behind.
@@muertolamento lmao you know nothing
@@TheSeptet well, since stark didn't sell weapons anymore and worked for the people, there's not much he could do
At least vulture understands the ways of the world.. unlike Peter
Vulture is in his mid 60's, unlike Peter...
i love how every time vulture talks to peter, he's very affable (excluding the "dad talk" to an extent) like he's seriously trying to teach peter a lesson, because he clearly likes him as a person
I remember watching this movie and feeling really bad because vulture is straight up right. Vulture isn’t killing anybody, selling illegal fire arms is legit what stark used to do too
he's not killing anyone but his weapons definitely will
in earlier scenes we see several instances of his weapons causing massive damage, both in use by his guys and by his customers
the bank heist, which probably put someone in the hospital and could've easily killed someone, and the boat sinking, which could've VERY EASILY killed several people, especially those who can't swim
also sure tony used to sell weapons but he at least learned from his mistakes, he was basically born into the business and found his way out of it
@@connortg5 yeah. I'm genuinely curious if he meant it when he said it would be his last heist. And keep in mind, that was before he knew Peter found out his identity. He said to his wife he wouldn't be taking "business trips" anymore. Scott Lang said he'd only do one more heist in his 1st movie, and he's the hero.
And to be fair, when the weapons were set to low for just burglary tools for breaking into vaults & ATMs, there was less chance of hurting people. If Spider-Man had trained more to have better tactics, he could've taken them down with less collateral damage.
It's sympathetic in motive but definitely not right, he became the very same thing he loath
MCU Villains are so well written.
Loki - An adopted son just trying to win some love from his adopted father
Zemo - A dad lost his family during the Avengers Ultron conflict
Toomes - A dad who lost his job because of a corporate monger and tries to feed his family the best he can
Killmonger - A royalty outcasted by his own relatives because his dad has different idealogies from their king
Ghost - A kid trying to survive because of a science accident because her dad was trying to restore his name after being kicked out by a bigger scientist
Mysterio - a idealogist that was just trying to get some recognition got his ideas stolen and wasnt even recognized for his works.
Yes to everything except the last one about Mysterio. Beck (if that's even his real name) really was unstable. His flashback to Tony in Civil War is self-serving memory.
Villains who can utilize and stand within the moral right are some of the most compelling, and difficult to defeat.
Toomes was just a normal man wanting to support his family. His normality is well portrayed throughout the show. Another thing you get from this, in conjunction to the "Dad Talk", is that he genuinely *didn't* want Peter to be his enemy. He knew Pete would be a great boyfriend for his daughter and he admired him. I really get the sense that right until Toomes realized Peter would never give up, he would have spared him. Even in the final battle of the film, Toomes still has a moment when he chooses to spare Peter's life.
Plus, the line about Stark was priceless.
Yup. No cackling and twirling a mustache. Just a normal guy put in a desperate situation. He even says indirectly, he's going to stop stealing soon. He told his wife he won't be taking anymore business trips after the one last job.
2:04 Godspeed Spider-Man
Peter.... Don't tell Liz
I love Michael Keaton in this scene. I missed out on his acting in the early days. I see why he’s a veteran in Hollywood. Acting is solid. One of the best! An Acting Gem!
The perfect Vulture, such good casting.
for real, he's pretty underrated
The first time I walked out of a Marvel film saying I want the bad guy to win. One of the best Villains in my opinion hope they bring him back.
If you think about it, Peter’s spidey-sense would prevent him from every getting hit. So collapsing the ceiling on him was probably the only way for Vulture to actually beat him.
I really really love how this interaction went down. It's such a good exchange. Michael Keaton really was a great villain. I loved him in this.
Micheal Keaton did such a good job in this role, cant wait to see more of the vulture
That speech from Vulture is deep though
The best thing they did for Vulture was making him a blue collar family man, excellent, relatable.
Facts
Tbh, Marvel needs to cast more serious actors like Keaton more often. As a Spiderman movie and as friendly he is, this movie has the darkest twist and intense dialogues out of all.
this is why I think MCU Vulture makes such a good villain. If you really want a good villain, you have to be able to understand him, and see the reasoning behind his actions
“They don’t care about us”
All I want to say is that,
*They don’t even care about us.*
I love how this really symbolizes the way kids view life versus the way their parents know it is
Michael Keaton: don’t mess with me kid
Peter: why?
Michael Keaton: Because I’m Batman!!!!
He'll be saying that very soon. 🙂
@@2013venjix he already was
@@TupocalypseShakur He will be again.
Nice Hishe reference.
Peter: WHHHHAAAAAA-!
what vulture said is the truth, and the reality sadly, it's depressing
2:00-2:06 Godspeed, Spider-Man.
🤣👍🕸🕷
Nice reference!
@@austinbaldini5292thanks 😂
2:28 "Awww man! Tell me I did not just fall for a gag I once used on Shocker!"
I got the reference
RDJ is the bomb, no mistaking that but I really could have used more Micheal and less Robert in this film.
Like Robert was even in the movie much lol
He was in it for 15 minutes.
@@kawaki4441 Actually, 7:30 to be exact.
Jesse Holroyd Iron man wasn’t even in the movie for that long
I think they should have gone down a path of Peter really questioning whether Vulture was right. And put more into Vulture trying to recruit Peter to join his operation.
Im addicted to that " guys like us , like you and me, they dont care about us"
Its going to be 6 years since this movie was released, and this interpretation of Vulture is still my favorite villain in the entirety of superhero media.
Vulture doesn’t have some God Complex, trying to erase half of all life, starts genocide, or or thinks he would be better at being God. Vulture isn't out for petty revenge, he doesn't even want fame, fortune, or even a legacy for historians to live forever.
All he wants is enough income so that his family will be alright. He's very thorough to not get any unwarranted attention. He stayed under the radar because he is not some Avengers threat because he doesn’t want to. He does the dirty work and makes the hard choices so that his family sleeps soundly at night.
Heavy who holds the crown.
He got screwed by life like the rest of us. But he didn't go punk mode like Joker or Thanos.
Amazing performance from both Michael Keaton and Tom Holland also love the home made suit
Vulture is more honourable than Mysterio. Vulture kept peters identity a secret when he could’ve easily gone to the press with it. Mysterio gave away his identity as he was dying and made him look like the villain.
Vulture just wanted to provide for his family. Mysterio wanted power and fame.
Vulture gives in when his plan fails. Mysterio spites Spider-Man as he dies.
Fascinating contrast to his villains.
It’s because Mysterio has no reason to keep Peter’s identity a secret. Mysterio is insane while Vulture’s just desperate
I was really dissapointed when they announced Vulture as the villain in Homecoming. But Keaton outdid himself! I loved this movie and I love how Vulture was potrayed on screen!
One of those moments where you can't be more agreed with the villain.
He wanted to give his daughter Liz a better life THE GOOD WAY at the beginning, but he learned the bad way that sometimes society makes fun of good guys.
The "bad" guy with the honest truth.
He sure has a point there.
Vulture wasnt wrong though, Tony really didnt care about Peter at this point, sure he liked him and had respect for him but when Tony was taking the suit away he proved it by saying if Peter died it would be on tony since he brought Pete into a world where he knew he could do more. Obviousily after this movie Tony started to care about Peter.
People say Mysterio's motivations are a repeat of Vultures, but this shows us the difference. Vulture's reasons are justified for being a criminal. He's represents the working class that the higher society doesn't care for. He became a criminal to revolt against the high class. Mysterio, on the other hand, was an unstable genius, who believed the world was out to get him. He may have created great technology, but he was dangerous, and he only cared about using his tech for himself as a way of getting him more popular and more attention.
TLDR; They may have both been screwed by Stark, but Vulture wanted what was best for rhe world, while Mysterio wanted what was best for himself.
Also, how they handled defeat-
Vulture: accepts his loss and stays quiet on Peter's secret.
Mysterio: lashes out, blaming others, and in his last moments sets Peter's ID to go public out of spite.
Vulture: Walter White
Mysterio: Syndrome
I love how Vulture is not even intimidated by Spider-Man despite aware his punch can shatter skull with ease.. the same goes to Doctor Octopus
Really the heart of the movie, on so many levels. We got the classic comic book trope of the villain monologuing, but here he is doing it for a smart reason, to buy time. Adrian has time to explain himself to Peter. Yes, he is doing “evil”, but for reasons that he feels are justifiable; and he is only doing it to people he considers to be evil. He really did not want to kill Peter, but if Peter obstructs Toomes’ plans to provide for his family. He will squash him like a bug.
Vulture has a point
I found it hilarious that Michael Keaton is once again taking up a role as a bird man type individual 😂😂😂
Toomes is a hypocrite, but he's by no means trying to be the hero. He's a cynic who knows the rich and powerful can do anything and so long as they do the bare minimum of good they'll never be questioned. But he is no different. He is helping his family by putting weapons that can wipe out cities in the hands of petty criminals. He's the typical family man villain. He'll do whatever it takes to benefit his family, but that includes being a complete monster.
Toomes is like a selfless version of Walter White. Unlike Walter, Toomes knows when to stop his activities when Spiderman, Iron Man, and the FBI get involved. He even allows his fellow workers to keep a low profile, hide, and quit while he does the final heist all by himself while Tinkerer and Shocker have a safe distance.
Michael Keaten is one of the best actors in my lifetime. It's too bad his roles really went down over the past 20 years. He is awesome in everything he does.
Facts can't wait for Beetlejuice 2 along with Jenna Ortega
I really admire this scene for multiple reasons, one of them being that this was pretty much exactly what Spider-Man does to Shocker in Spectacular Spider-Man! When Spidey fights shocker, he uses shocker's own blasts against him tearing down the support of the building collapsing it on himself.
It was a chandelier I think
Michael Keaton:
*”I played the hero, now… i wanna play the villain.”*
Godlike acting by Michael Keaton
1:26 good point.
From the start the writers of the film said they wanted viewers to think that Vulture "made a good point" in his views. Did a good job too. He's not evil, he's just doing the same as the powers that be, and its to support his family, not world domination.
0:38 It’s a really nice detail how Adrian ignores everything Peter says at first, until Peter mentions Liz. His priority really is on his family and providing for them, which wouldn’t be a bad thing if he didn’t resort to dealing weapons to accomplish it.
You makin a video on the Vulture's theme or smn?
I like this Heisenberg-esque route they took this villain in. Ordinary guy who runs into money troubles and falls into the life of crime to survive, slowly losing his humanity in his business, at which point the hero of the story runs into him.
Am I weird for actually preferring this suit? There's something appealing about how simple it is. It just feels right for the character opposed to the overly technical suit with needless enhancements. It feels like it was designed for Terry McGinnis, not Spider-man.
I wouldn't mind this suit with the other's classic Spider-man eyes.
Yeah, you're kind of weird.
That's kind of the point of the movie and the suit(s), but I understand.
The Iron Man tech Spiderman suit is blasphemous to OG fans!
I love that the wings remind me so much of Sam Rami’s Green Goblin Glider and Doc Ock Arms fused into one really cool tech.
Honestly Tooms is right, the rich don't care about the middle or lower class of the working world. I get they don't have to, but they definitely should. Just because you have money and power doesn't mean you can want with it. As Uncle Ben said "with great power, comes great responsibility"
Totally true, if you are rich, which is relatively rare, you shouldn't let the money go to waste by using it for yourself but do something great with it.
@@wafflemanofficial3130 But the thing is the order to become rich is just become an horrible person
Adrian Toomes/Vulture had a grudge against Tony Stark so did Quentin Beck/Mysterio
The only rich person who actually cares about the middle and lower class is MrBeast. He actually uses his wealth and resources to help people. A lot of online haters constantly try to discredit his actions and label him a clout chaser out of pure jealousy. Even if he was doing it all for the views who cares, he has done more to help the world than any billionaire ever has.
Don't mess with an ex-batman. He is always one step ahead.
In a way vulture has a Point.
I know. I think about that everyday
0:24 I never noticed that they took apart the old wings to use the same parts to put on the bigger ones.
For me, Vulture is the best villain in the MCU. The most relatable one, and with actually right, logical motives.
This is what I hope the Sinister Six roster will be for Spider-Man 3:
1. Scorpion
2. Vulture
3. Mysterio
4. Electro
5. Kraven the Hunter
6. Sandman
Other villains I wouldn’t mind: Green Goblin, Venom, or Doctor Octopus
doc ock supposed to be here cause he is the leader of sinister six
Well dis didnt age well
SCORPION
ELECTRO
DOC OCK
GREEN GOBLIN
SANDMAN
LIZARD
@@yungchildsupport4445 If Sandman shows up at all I think it will be as a good guy, leading to Vulture taking his place
Vulture is an awesome character. A man has to take care of his family.
I like it when you can sympathize with the villain in these marvel movies.
Facts even with Brolin's Thanos and Dafoe's Goblin
As Kids We liked the Heroes
As Adults We understand the Villains
I do that's for sure.
Homecoming: got smash by concrete
Ffh: got hit by train
Nwh: got beat up by goblin
😥
You have to love when villains are very confident at what they do and keep their cool, despite getting found out. This scene is a good example of keeping your composure in these kind of situations when the hero finds the villain.
I feel like most of the bad guys in these movies always had a realistic point on their actions.
I do too
He is right tho stark did make a fortune selling weapons to all of the other countries including the ten rings whether he knew it or not.
People who justify Stark by saying "he didnt know".....what many dont understand, is that as the face of the company he should have been more involved/had more oversight....otherwise Stane likely gets caught trying to double deal much sooner.
@@RealHipHopSince1980 the difference is tony stopped the second he experienced the trauma. Vulture and other villains felt the trauma and now want others to feel lit.... that’s what separates them
@@RealHipHopSince1980 but now you justifying Vulture. Vulture is also doing same thing many peoples will lost their life if he sell the weapons to Criminals
The fact they made him pass as a 15 year old amazes me, and I'm 15. Amazing how the movie industry works lol
I think Michael Keaton's Vulture is the best villain in any superhero movie. Normally they're either psychos or megalomaniacs but you completely understand Vulture and even sympathise with him to a point, without them making him soft. Plus Keaton is just such a brilliant actor. It's also well worth seeing him in The Founder.
Facts along with Michael B as killmonger and Josh Brolin's Thanos
Also his role in the drama series dopesick is underrated af
Is it wrong that i kinda agree with vulture
No. That's how good antagonists are written.
@@Raptorman0205 Doesn't make his actions right, but proves his point nonetheless.
Am i the only one who thinks :
Home made suit Spider-Man action scenes>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi-tech suit Spider-Man action scenes ?
Because you're one of the few who remember it was about his heart not the toys that made Spider-Man a good hero and fighter.
Pedro Alves Reis for me CGI for homemade suit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>CGI for stark tech suit
Pedro Alves Reis I thought the Homemade suit looked cooler! :)
Howling Burd19 Same here, gives me vibes of the wrestling costume.
Z-REX and this is going to be a personal and kinda knit-picky opinion, but I highly prefer it when Peter makes his suit. And I think Peter’s homemade suit kinda mixes the normal suit, and the wrestling suit. I had to get a Pop Figure for it ;)
He's not a villain, he's an anti-hero, who are way better than villains because they're more realistic than heroes or villains.
2:01 best part