Bruce Prichard shoots on Jim Cornette getting fired from Ohio Valley Wrestling
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OVW didn't have any problem with the WWE when Jim Ross was in charge of talent relations, the problems began with John "If you don't got it, get it. If you don't get it, figure it out" Lauranitus.
To be fair, I think that was probably at least in part due to the fact that JR may have been more conciliatory towards Cornette/OVW than they WWE office would have preferred (which may have lead in part to JR's own issues with the office) Lauranitus may well have just been adopting more of the company line.
@@timf7413 lol!!!!!!! I disagree. I think JR had a better relationship with Jr verses Johnny Ace.
Johnny Ace look him up in a dictionary, you find his picture under multiple entries such as idiot, moron, and others 🤬
@@timf7413 Corny and JR are old school. Hawk should have rammed Johnny Ace into the ring post more often
Thanks to mister jim cornette we had talents like beth phoenix, mickie james, Shelton Benjamin, John cena, Randy orton, brock lesnar, and Batista !! Jim does not get the credit he deserves for being responsible for wwe’s success in the mid 2000’s.
Great comment
@J Crash Have some respect for the industry
Mohammad hassan
You mean the death of WWE? Mid 2000s?.. that mid 2000s?
His class of Cena, Batista, Lesnar and Orton is the greatest draft class ever!!!!!
New Rule: Anytime Cornette is mentioned there should be an impersonation done by Prichard. Those are so extremely funny!
Jim’s WWE Contract was terminated, But, They couldn’t fire a Co-Owner of OVW.
Per Jim's own account though he did have to step down as booker to keep WWE from ending the relationship and WWE did eventually front the money to buy out Jim's share.
Love how he falls to mention he couldn't be "fired" per say because he was part owner.
With outer giving them money and talent ovw didn’t have to pay he was part owner of nothing. After wwe stopped supporting ovw they fell apart
FWIW Cornette himself has said he actually had 2 jobs at that point. One with OVW directly (where he was part owner), but also as a consultant for WWE to run their developmental program. They could and did fire him from the latter.
@@timf7413 fire him as a wwe consultant. Not part owner. He couldve fought WWE and won but he was okay with getting "fired" because wwe wanted to micromanage everything and didnt really help keep it going money wise. Cornette promoted OVW and made sure people paid to see it. Quit spreading lies
@MemphoWrasslin1 Exactly!!!
@@kenjiniru1 They're still running so how did it fall apart??
Jim Cornette knows more about wrestling than all of the front office
@J Crash there is no debate, Cornette is a walking encyclopedia of wrestling knowledge.
Ya hillbilly backwoods 70s wrasslin
@@shattaredentertainment4782 exactly
Not if you want anything relevant after 1982
I don't understand how Johnny Ace can suspend Cornette from a company Jim owns that Johnny and WWE don't own any share of. I think it was probably an agreement. He was suspending for yelling at someone?
*_IT'S BECAUSE HE SLAPPED THE SHIT OUT OF SANTINO MARELLA FOR NOT HAVING AN APPROPRIATE REACTION TO THE BOOGEYMAN._*
@@wauliepalnuts6134 people slapping Santino Marrellino are the blessed
@@srktv5457 the blessed lol
He suspended him from WWE, but couldn’t from OVW itself. It becomes murky because the work Corny was doing in OVW was largely related to WWE since he was developing WWE talents. But at the same time you could always write it in the affiliation agreement but I don’t think it was here.
Johnny Ace was trying to get himself over, and used Cornette to do it.
Ace is a suck up
Look at all the talent Jim developed in OVW and Smokey Mountain. The man knows how to build and develope wrestlers. Not near as much quality talent has come from a development since. I truly believe if Jim stayed at OVW and the wwe stayed off his back we' d seen alot more polished guys in
wwe today
Cornette was right to slap Santino, breaking character when you are training. He was a scourge of WWE TV for years.
@Tim Correct. Unprofessional behavior from a superior. And he wouldn't pull that on someone who he knows would've gotten up and kicked his fat ass.
@@Y2JLionHeart actually Santino dare to slap him again years later and Cornette called for security.
Using REAL violence over something that ISN'T REAL is unjustified and pathetic!
The Jim Cornette epidsode of this show. Is comedy gold.
Link?
@@donbrewer3904 Just search for it. It's on CZcams.
Don Brewer3
czcams.com/video/lL2XUo_KBVI/video.html
my favorite one by far
Anytime I see the names Bruce Pritchard and Jim Cornette together, automatic Like!
Same
As in Bruce's impression "That's God damn right, mother fuck!"
Yep
@Kev Dawg I'm sure you'll find someone
He had the OVW roster take the Stacey Express.
He owned OVW so how could he get fired from it
*_GREAT POINT, ANDREW. LET'S SEE WHAT THE EXPERTS SAY._*
Big Richard They didn’t, they fired him from his consultant position in WWE, not exactly OVW. He instead took a year off from the wrestling business. Hope this helps
OVW was partnered with WWE and WWE didnt have any real pull in the company. and as By Jim's words Danny and he put alot of resistance to WWE's desires like "putting their talent on tv" while Corny and Davis wouldnt do that if the said "future star" wasnt ready/suitable for it. One of the many reasons OVW was ditched and FCW was formed. (FCW just became a joke tho). and yeah Cornette was a Co-owner and stood down so that Davis wouldnt get blowback for his actions.
@@_NutcasE_ They might not have had pull in the strictest sense, but they could have absolutely yeanked all their talent from OVW (which they ultimately did arguably in part because of issues like this). Cornette didn't understand that, for better or worse, that when you're in business with a company the size of WWE, you don't tell them, they tell you.
@@timf7413 well if you followed ovw at its strongest it was solid promotion and only had few specific people sent in by WWE and according to cornette most of the people WWE sent were not suitable for the business. OVW did make better stars from people than laurenitas's FCW that was just a flop mostly until Triple H came along with NXT but even most of NXT are already established indie stars
OVW was what NXT is today
It was even better.
Actually the "new" ECW was what NXT is today. Literally.
OVW made much bigger stars. Cena, Lesnar and Batista made the mainstream. They're not Stone Cold but your average person may know who they are even casually. Nobody who came from NXT has really done that.
JM NYC
Thank the suits and their awful booking for that.
Wow, a 10-min clip about Jim Cornette and no awful Corny impression from Bruce. Impressive.
You misspelled awesome
Even bruce admits his impression is paul bearers voice and Jim's words
maybe Corny had trouble assimilating to watching pro wrestling turn into a dumb joke that destroyed a thriving industry so Vince could sell toys and shirts
We'll said Emily
The story of Lairanitus having a wrestlers head shaved to see what it looked like is all you need to know.
OVW (Cornette and Co.) made the best wrestling stars for wwe's ruthless aggression era. Also, it was the only developmental organisation wwe had, that actually developed anything.
NxT just called.
@@kelman727 OVW under Cornette brought us the likes of Lesnar, Cena, Orton, Batista. Who in NXT has drawn as close to any of them ? Those are legit stars. Quit playing yourself
Exactly 😂
@@wu-tangwizard9993 You are partially right but you're also acting like OVW recruited those guys and are solely responsible for them. Jim Ross and Briscoe found those talents and sent them to OVW. So yes OVW plays a big part but wouldn't be accurate to act like they only existed because of OVW.
Any body else notice that the fusion on the thumbnail of Prichard and Cena looks like modern day Al snow
Love you guys but 6 ad interruptions for a 10 minute video?
🤷♂️🤦♂️
Bruce prichard is such a weasel...
Interesting to hear cornette and jim ross comments on johnny ace being totally out of his depth
Look let's be real. I like Johnny Ace,I always have. I think he gets way too much flack. That said they needled Jim Cornette to make him explode because they wanted to take over OVW and he wouldn't let them. Telling a guy Wednesday morning to use a guy Wednesday night for tv,that whole Randy Orton situation. Nobody is that unprofessional,nobody is that much of a bumpkin. He had a job given to him and Santino Marella ended up helping him get it done.
Is that John Bru-Nette in the pictue??
If anything wrestling needs Jim cornette these days not guys who have literally joined the vinces Real KISS MY ASS CLUB like most others if you know who I'm talking about.
Not playing politics with the suits is unlikely to strike most people as a bad thing.
Cornette >>>>>>Bruce Prichard by a mile
Jon Ace was a See you next Tuesday, and ties are for fops.
To me that looks like jacked Alex Marvez than a mash up of Bruce N Cena
It’s kinda funny nowadays to hear about Johnny Ace being a good corporate citizen. He may have been in a ton of ways but knowing he got fired for fucking around with an employee, got brought back years later and within a year or two was back doing it again is hilariously stupid.
2:42 if Ohio Valley Wrestling was an excellent territory to develop Wrestlers then why the hell would you change it? Sounds like Cornette knew how to build a star to me. Also if you are removing quote "Negative Nuggets" then you are just getting rid of what made that Wrestler get over. At 6:45 yes because Cornette knew what a good match was. It's amazing that since Jims run in Ohio Valley Wrestling came to an end we don't see any stars that much today unfortunately. 7:59 yes that's what made wrestling gritty and edgy. It's way too polished and clean now. Wrestling shouldn't be like that!
Jim didn't produce the stars...those guys already had the it factor that they needed to succeed..all they needed was the right gimmick to connect to the fans and the exposure. Jim didn't come up with cena's gimmick or batista's gimmick..they did that on their own. The protoype would have never got over, but once Cena became Cena and dropped that gimmick, he connected. Jim didn't have anything to do with that. Jim was good in terms of building up house show revenue and building an audience in the small towns they performed in, but as far as building stars, no..they built themselves. Jim was integral in giving them exposure because he was good at promoting shows and getting people to see these guys wrestler, thus giving them in-ring experience. He was awesome on the business end of things because he knew how to expand and operate without creating huge debts. Plus he had relationships with famous stars like Stone Cold who could lend a hand in helping to sell-out shows. Jim is better on the business end because he knows how to go from nothing to something, and he's humble enough to value a small town's fanbase because he knows success is gradual inch by inch
10:05 - Kevin Kelley knows a shit ton about wrestling, but he is pale, pudgy and doesn’t look good on TV, I think that’s why his run came to an end in a nutshell.
Kevin Kelley sure did alright commentating for ROH. Didn't matter if they put Nigel McGuinness or Steve Corino or BJ Whitmer beside him on commentary, Kevin Kelley still did good. I even remember when he used to be employed by WWF and back then I had no idea who he was, a new guy to me on WWF commentary but he did alright while he was there too so I thought. WWF probably just had to let Kevin Kelley go, just business, since WWF already had all the commentators they wanted and/or needed at the time. I'd try to hire him, if I owned a wrestling company and needed a good commentator.
Well it's no secret that Cornette didn't respect Johnny Ace Since the NWA/WCW days when Ace was part of a tag team with Shane Douglas
Going along to get along is what is killing WWE. Congratulations.
Hard to say WWE is being killed when they just reported their most profitable year ever.
John, was better only because he is a straight up yes man for Vince. Jr fought to bring in Austin and Foley and others. If Vince says he doesn’t see it once Johnny agrees no matter what. That’s why he’s back in that position because he respects Vince’s track record(which is bullshit).
If only Vince could go back to being a promoter. Providing the stage for professionals to get over.
Old school vs new school....plain & simple
Jim Cornette is a legend
From what Jim cornette said it seemed like the main problem was John Laurinaitis so if he doesn't get involved and I suspect Jim cornette probably would have stayed in ovw probably a couple more years since he co owner aswell
Because the front offices of wwe were often so WRONG is so many of their decisions, and what their “creative” did to OVW is a great example, Johnny Ace should never been giving decision making duties.
Well Cornette didn't like people doing things behind his back or his talent getting buried
Bruce should've been fired for lying too much.
Wrestling was better, Vince is clueless
Understanding the truth break it down Bruce
What is the deal with the bad blood between Corny and Bruce?
No clue. I'm trying to find out.
I'm not sure there is. Bruce is an ass kisser so he tries to say whatever he thinks Vince would want him to say.
I THINK... Bruce was getting fed up with Dave Meltzers horseshit and complained to Corny over a course of several months, and Bruce wasn’t aware that Jim was actually taking DAVE’S side and lost his shit with him in the end. It’s sad, because I adore both of them.
@@DBonaldi Funny, considering Cornette seems to DESPISE Meltzer these days....At least according to things he's said about some of Meltzer's narratives of late.
Leman Kurtz I said the exact same thing on a post in this video earlier today. Corny defended Meltzer over Bruce, and now he is shitting over Meltzer on Twitter and his podcasts. I’d prefer a good hearted soul like Bruce over a fucking worm like Meltzer any day.
Cornette is an oldhead to a fault but you can't deny that the majority of the last seriously big superstars WWE had were all developed under him at OVW. John Cena, Brock Lesnar, Randy Orton, and Batista all grew under Cornette.
They had better talent coming from ovw than they do nxt. Not to mention that mysterious factor when wwe brought in these guys from ovw. We all know who the talent is coming from nxt. Not saying nxt doesn't have good talent but nxt signs everyone to go to raw or smackdown and only to have a few of them get a push while the rest just stay in the wwe to be jobbed forgotten and released eventually
yeah the biggest problem wwe had was they didnt fuckin own ovw and they couldnt stand being told what to do
Jim Cornette is the best the impersonations aren’t funny, corny is way more funny but hey we all need to be relevant right
How a company is able to enforce a dress code on their 'independent contractors' is beyond me
I think it is well known that WWE terming their performers as independent contractors is a farce. They are independent contractors in name only. In every other aspect possible they're employees. And sadly that'll probably never change. It's entrenched in the wrestling business.
How can Jim Cornette be fired from OVW? He owned half or part of it.
When you look at the big picture Cornette must have left such a terrible impression upon the WWE not to be invited to work within the Performance Center in Orlando.
Cornette has many stories and insight but cannot apply them anywhere because he's a loose cannon, always negative, and unprofessional.
Oh yeah and also he's from the South.
It's not necessarily that he left a bad impression. Look at his reputation. People can love and praise him all they want but he has a legendary temper and can be extremely difficult to work with. It doesn't help he hasn't tried to better himself, admit his mistakes, and try better to control himself. He hasn't lasted long in many promotions since then and has been hired and fired by just about everybody. I always say Cornette is like someone like Scott Hall or Jake Roberts without the drugs: he keeps getting brought back cause he has talent and everyone hopes for the best but you know sooner or later, he'll screw up badly or enough to the point where you have to cut him. It doesn't also help the times have passed Cornette by.
Kevin Kelly never really impressed me. Michael Cole is a much better talent... survival of the fittest. I hope Corny goes to AEW - WHAT THE WORLD IS WATCHING
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At this point, Jim Cornette may be the only person who can help save wrestling! 🏸
I have never met Bruce or JC, but I think Bruce is towing a WWE line here and not giving us the entire truth, which is why people do not believe his answers in this podcast. 1. Jim Cornette created, and co owned OVW, so the promotion was his to do with what he wanted. Bruce is parroting the Laurenitis line that OVW was an extension of WWE, which is bulls##t. 2. OVW did business with the WWE, only because the WWE could not afford all the insurance and liability costs to run a developmental promotion ( which has changed with NXT, as they now have so much money they do not know what to do with it).3. If someone who had nothing to do with the business, came and continued, on numerous occasions to tell me how to run my business, then I would tell them to f#@k off, and mind their own business as well, such as using the type of ropes WWE used, which is okay for a tv show once a week, but when you are using them three times a day, everyday, can cause issues for the wrestlers. 4. The term a corporate employee, is just another term for kissing the bosses arse, and Jim had no need to do that at this time, so he did not. 5. The number of talent that went through this developmental promotion, and which then made so much money for the WWE, is so astronomical that it has to be the most successful developmental promotion this century, no matter what the son-in-law says. 6. I have a problem with Bruce's objectivity when discussing this issue. 7. While Jim Cornette is not always the best communicator, or always does the socially accepted thing, people still like him because he tells you what happened. His story on Santino Marella which is what got him relieved of his duties was a good story, and from the vision I saw Corny overreacted, as he himself has agreed to, but at least he owns his mistake, and to be honest his opinion on Santino is correct, he was a comedy act, one I liked, but still in the WWE, his wrestling was scheizenhaussen. 8. The standards became more corporate or PG, when the company listed on the stock exchange because when you list on the stock exchange you have to abide and do business by a set of standards and regulations, and if you do not you can be deregistered. 9. Bruce says that WWE valued the OVW development system. If this is true then why did they send Paul Heyman down to oversee things when Cornette left, as he wanted to stay up north, and why did the WWE give a guarantee for two years so the OVW management signed contracts and leases, only for WWE to change their mind six months later and leave them in the lurch, having to fulfil contracts.
Jim Cornette: *slaps Santino*
Bruce Prichard: You can't do that!
Bob Holly: Deliberately stomps and assaults man dying from cancer on tough enough
Bruce Prichard: That's just how he learned in his day!
Ok, the kid didn't have cancer when Holly beat him, let's be clear about that. Not excusing Holly by any means but jeez you make it sound much worse than it was.
You can't fire a guy from the promotion he owns. He sold his share to keep the OVW agreement with WWE.
I would take Kevin Kelly over Michael Cole anyday.
That pick of Bruce 👆🏻legit is how Vince looks on all those steroids, like his head and face don’t fit his jacked body! Looks weird as hell! Vince’s face looks like he should be chubby but normal like Bruce! 😂
The worst thing to happen in wrestling history!!!!!!!!!!!!
is Pritchard calling Cornball a "negative nugget" LMFAO
Cornette hasn't evolved since the 80's, safe to say he cannot add new insight for 2020 and beyond!
Psychology is psychology it's the same as it ever was. If you're a wrestling fan today you should just watch gymnastics.
@@charlesburge3074 So we are supposed to watch the same matches from 30 years ago? I understand using more psychology (Cody Rhodes is big on that style) But can there be ZERO evolution? BTW, gymnastics isn't a bad sport.
I like cornette and everyone has their opinions
But when did using psychology or "more psychology" as you put it became a style that's fundamental
@@tn4u23 It doesn't matter. They remind you it's fake every 15 minutes. It's probably because I'm not 14 anymore. I remember men fighting. Not boys on a trampoline
Maybe he hasn't evolved since the 80s... but he evolved Cena, Brock, Batista and many others into who they became. The man's got a mind for the business whether it's old school or not and that's a fact