The Problem with Superman and His Haters
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- čas přidán 9. 09. 2024
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These are my thoughts on the series My Adventures with Superman.
I actually do like the series so far. Excited to see how it goes.
She’s gonna jump or something lol. Classic Superman save.
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Show description: "Clark Kent is ready to start a normal life as a reporter for the Daily Planet, but when his new friends Lois and Jimmy are put in danger, he risks revealing his true identity to save them. Catch My Adventures With Superman Thursdays at midnight on [adult swim]. Stream next day on Max."
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One thing I've always loved about Superman is that a well-written Superman is often "a simple dish well made." He's not without complications, but he's not overly complex. His simplicity allows him to be used to breakdown complex themes. And people forget just how subversive he was back when he was first create. 80+ years of existence has made him the "standard" and I love that for him.
Ooo love that line: “a simple dish well made.”
@@detremis I love it too. Not sure where the saying comes from, but my dad told me when I was learning to cook as a kid that "A simple dish, well-made, will always bring more joy than a complex dish that's poorly made." He wanted me to remember not to do too much because I kept getting a *bit* too excited with our spice cabinet. 🤣 I grew to appreciate simple things, not just foods, thanks to him, I think... and he's the one who introduced me to Action Comics and early Superman. 😆
Then, I think a year ago, I heard OSP's Red call Superman "a simple dish, well made." during one of their diatribe videos, and it resonated with me. I was like, "If that isn't the most *_absolutely_* correct thing about Superman I've heard all year... 🤯"
@@Mai57I love that. It's a perfect description of, I think, most Superheroes. And in fact, most movies. There's nothing more tiresome than when what's supposed to be a fun action movie gets bogged down with longwinded backstory. You get the impression that the writers just kept adding more detail in the hopes that it would give a flat story some dimension.
Superman is simple, but that doesn't mean his story is simplistic. There's a lot of depth in that simplicity. Superman does great things because he's a good person. People misunderstand him when they miss the goodness because they're so captivated by the greatness. Lex Luthor sees only his power, not the importance of what he uses it for. Lois appreciates what he uses it for, but she doesn't see that his power is less important than his character. That's why she doesn't see Clark, only Superman.
And the same can be said for the audience. The villain of Kill Bill delivers a villainous monologue about how Clark is the disguise and Superman is the real person, and people actually thought that this was an insightful truth, ignoring where this "truth" is coming from. It reveals the complexity embedded in Superman's simplicity. He's like a haiku, a very simple set of premises that reveal a complex truth about power and the highest good, a truth people often fail to grasp. So they dismiss him as too simple, too boring, because they don't see how much is contained in that simplicity. He doesn't need to be complicated by doubts or inner torment. He doesn't need to be reinvented as a psychopathic villain with limitless power. That misses the point. He works just fine as a good person with the power to do great things. It's the rest of the world that makes that complicated, not him.
Fun fact: this show is only halfway through its first season and it’s already been confirmed for a season 2.
So glad!!! The writing and marketing worked 😂. Hopefully the quality keeps up for the rest of the season
@@detremis hopeful mate, hopeful.
I hope that the villains would the legion of with lex Luthor as the leader of the group
@@detremisthat’s what I’m considering the most
I hope the later episodes gets funnier because as if now the show isn’t really that funny at least for me
But so far I really like what I got
However I feel this would be a. Invincible situation where the budget mostly goes to the fights
@@ahmadmalaki8364 If they play their cards right and they execute things the right way this could rival the animated series and be one of the best superhero shows ever
It's also an annoying misconception that sadness is deep or complex, or that it's any less of a cliché than the alternative.
Really true.
Yeah the whole super gritty dark deconstructed superhero movement in both DC and Marvel has seemed cliché to me for a very long time. If it is to create a compelling story line that is one thing but just dumping dark elements into the story to have dark elements is lazy.
Absolutely, if someone ever covered the nuisances and the true inner struggles of a character that is always trying to do good to do the so called right thing and how hard that is as well as looking at the perspectives of the world they must develop to maintain the motivation and drive to keep doing good everyday without fail. Some of those perspectives may be very warped and overall very unhealthy and damaging to maintain for that character, which can lead to them giving to much to the point they can no longer give anymore and help no one ever again I think is actually way way more complex and thought provoking than simple gritty overly violent and dramatic revenge porn but hey that’s just me.
@@mal35m idk if Marvel is making things gritty or dark, unless you’re talking about the comics and not the shows/movies
@@mal35m Grit comes from subject manner and the struggle presented in the story. Yet mainly Marvel ruined it because they put bad jokes all over the place and their fear of the R rating. Also they moved too far away from grounded stories. Which is why Netflix's Marvel was so good. Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Daredevil were near perfection since it wasn't grand it was still very much a human story.
"There's nothing new under the Sun, but there's value that you are experiencing for the first time yourself." Bro that line goes hard
Fact is Lois ignoring the 6,3 good looking dude built like a Greek god was very unrealistic. Even though she saw him as competition
Honestly 😂
It doesn't matter what he looks like, it's his attitude that she doesn't notice, because he's so mousy and nondescript. She only starts noticing Clark in those other iterations because of his legitimate journalistic chops and how he keeps scooping her
@@zyaicobbruh, if you put on glasses and acted like bully miguire, people would think it’s you but being annoying- the glasses trope is really dumb. I sound a lot more aggressive than I actually am but it bothers me so much
Superman has never been complicated. The problem comes from trying to complicate Supes. I like how this series takes what works and just runs with it with minor tweeks. I hope this studio gets more work for other DC series.
“What works… with minor tweaks.” Agreed!
Superman has always been a complex character actually. The problem is that people who tried to adapt him in animation like STAS or in live action like Returns and MOS weren’t really skillful enough to do it justice.
@@shamsunnahar4335 STAS was amazing
@@autobotproductions1244 not really, it wasn’t. The show didn’t have show much drama in Clark's life. He didn’t have much complications in his life. It had only great villains. Having great villains is not good enough if the main hero is kinda lame. Not only this, there wasn’t even any difference between Clark and Superman's personalities. One cannot deny that STAS is not a solid Superman show. If you still like it then it’s your choice.
@@shamsunnahar4335 ok then
The reasons for his disguise working are, that nobody thinks of Superman having a secret identity, due to him seemingly not hiding it, Kent not seeming like the person who could be Superman and hypnosis glasses.
Good point. Some people can just coincidentally look alike.
Yet IRL some people losing/adding glasses or having a different hairdo does change them to point they look different.
Also the fact that in comic lore he slouches and wears baggy clothes to hide his muscles
It's also his posture, Superman stands up straight and has a strong demanding yet pleasant and kind voice, while Clark hunches and is shy and kind of introverted it's the PERFECT disguise
...Don't forget that Clark isn't the disguise, Superman is. He was born and raised a normal boy, but has fantastic powers he wants to help out with when he can. (Don't let the analysis of the character in Kill Bill fool you, since Bill has a Lex Luther type personality that can't comprehend Superman's humanity in the face of absolute power.) By contrast, Batman sees himself as Batman and Bruce is the role he plays when needed. It's why they play off each other so well.
Superman's weakness is that someone always needs him. We rarely get to see how hard it is for him to spend 8-12 hours a day as Clark, knowing that there are people in distress *somewhere.*
Yeah, that’s something that has always been interesting to me. I hope the show explores it. There are so many people that need to be saved. Depending on the iteration, with super hearing, Supes can constantly hear distress across the world. It’s like work-life balance lol. He’s gotta save people, but he can also take time to just be Clark.
There's actually was a comic that had Superman talk about that his invulnerability doesn't negates him from feeling pain but that he simply processes it differently. So while he may not take any physical damage he still feels the effects of it, which is actuality is something that has been showcased numerous times and if you read the comics or just Google images of Superman getting hurt would negate any misconception of this.
Makes sense! Yah, I always saw it as him as getting disoriented rather than hurt. The comics do flesh it out better, but I’m hoping for more “mainstream” Supes media to really emphasize the mental barrier that comes with pain: to keep fighting even though it hurts so much.
Seems like a lot of people (who aren’t Superman fans but watch mainstream) just see Supes as an OP being that doesn’t get hurt.
Good video. Storytelling wise it makes sense but from a realistic perspective it doesn't most people don't know how fighting, muscle to brain connection and pain works so they won't notice it or care; but getting a small sting like pain repeatedly becomes dull after a while with endorphins kicking in and simply you getting used to it mentally. Its all nitpick but superpowers and writing are always inconsistent and pain is supposed to be a body reaction to a treat if you're pushed or hit slowly or and lightly no pain but you still feel it same should apply to superman getting hit by attacks that do zero damage, it's not like he's taking damage then regenerating like wolverine and others
threat not Treat 😂 wow so many grammatical errors
As someone who never really grew up watching superman or has seen the owl house, this show's aesthetic really hooked me in because anime was my childhood. It felt like a unique blend of western & eastern animation & story telling meshed together. So I had to check it out ! It felt interesting & unique.
Now, I'm so happy to be watching the show. This version of superman will bring new fans & audiences like me and that in itself should be good news for the whole franchise, right ? Sometimes simple isn't bad. Especially at the start of a new show. I'm interested to see if the story will develop and grow more complex with time. But for now, I'll enjoy the show as it is & excitingly wait to watch every episode that gets released. 💞
You are not the viewer the world deserves… but the viewer the world needs.
I agree. I’m really happy seeing works that blend eastern and western animation. Also excited to see where this show goes!
Just like me fr
If you want Western directors speaking a narrative over cheap asian labor, there's alrady Batman TAS, Owl House and Velma. It's not particularly unique, and I never had a problem with any of those shows. Mystery Inc was the one starting this absolute trash, and Velma didn't make it any worse, fan fiction is still fan fiction.
Goes to show that it's utterly pointless to be happy for people who got their Luz lesbian fix. They WILL just go back to ruining old IP ANYWAY. Because hate for the old things is what you have to offer, with a helping of ignorance over the people you get bored of hating, like all the money that helpedmake Superman INTO a valuable property, for this show to ruin.
@@sboinkthelegday3892mystery incorporated was a good show thought and how did this show ruin Superman exactly
I think the thing is about how the mass media seem to frown on the simplicity and stereotypical stuff because it was all done before in the past for many decades and than we all tried going full wish fulfillment mode of expecting everything to be complex and deep.... and than a certain number of people got tired of that too and wish to go back to simple things again.
The never ending seesaw
The problem is too many shows are narrow, they think they're deep, simple, complex, etc. Since often times they jump the shark too soon or treat the viewers as stupid
I always felt that the key to making a compelling superman story is to have the world push back on him. He’s a positive man trying to do positive things in a cynical world.
It’s a contest of influence. You can then show how his inspiration helped put someone in the position to return the favor when he’s feeling particularly beaten down.
People get way too caught up in physical advantages of Superman and forget that the key to conflict is often internal.
That is the very reason I like Man of Steel and his Story in BVS.
But most people usually just see the physical spectacle in those.
And some people basically don't like Superman in those movies since they say "he barely smiles in those iteration", but the thing is those movies put Superman in situation he is internally struggling.
It might just be also that some people enjoys just a plain simple positive Superman story.
You just described perfectly how the battle of Smallville in Man of Steel feels like. If you can remember in that sequence we see Superman actually feel the pressure of the Kryptonians hits and at a certain point he's starting to look tired and hurt. Because obvioulsy that was his first encounter with someone with his powers.
As well as with the battle against the Kryptonian engine and Zod. Also with Batman in BVS, he literally gets his ass whooped by Batman and then by Doomsday.
Good recall! I wanna rewatch Man of Steel now lol. Yah, I want to see more of that pressure but with weaker villains/enemies. I sort of want Supes to start with a much lower pain tolerance that he has to build up and overcome.
Makes sense that Bats, Doomsday, and other Kryptonians can hurt him, but I want even human tech (w/o kryptonite) to make him want to scurry away. Muhahaha
The thing that's great about Superman and his powerset is something OSP identified in one of their Detail Diatribes: Superman's powerset is great for *saving people* and only secondarily for making entertaining fights with bad guys. Sure, *Superman* is invulnerable, but the people in a collapsing building aren't. Crucially, Lois Lane isn't either. This sets him up for degrees of success in those rescues, and Superman is a good enough person that any degree of failure will weigh on him.
Agree with the saving people. I remember reading an iteration of Supes where his hearing is so amplified that he can hear all the pain and suffering going on across the world. Imagine the mental fortitude needed to hear constant suffering and having superpowers but still being limited in how many you can save.
Should Supes save his love Lois? Or should he constantly be saving other people 24/7. Can Supes live his life or should he always go and save others. Of course the answer is balance, but I loved that iteration for the questions it posed.
I was surprised by how much I liked My Adventures with Superman. We dont need another Boys or Watchmen. I want some good ol wholesome wish fulfillment with ridiculously attractive people. Although I do hope in future seasons they can go a little depper like Teen Titans or Young Justice did.
Ooo yes, I agree with taking inspiration from Teen Titans.
Speaking of the boys, Hugie's actor Jack Quaid, voices Superman in this series
I like their approach to Superman’s powers. To me it’s entirely believable that Clark doesn’t have 100% control of his power, nor is he always as powerful as he needs to be. I just think about him taking energy from the sun and how well, your not always gonna have energy from the sun.
So, old Lois never discovered Superman was Clark Kent because she never saw superman in Clark Kent while current Lois was able to recognise Clark in Superman ? it's honnestly a very cool way for it to happen. She didn't saw a hero in her friend, but saw her friend in the hero
Such a good friend (of not even a year) that she tried to commit self-deletion to force him to “admit it” to her? Oh yeah, bosom besties right there! Hell even this new version of Jimmy Olsen was hurt that Clark didn’t tell him _but understood why he didn’t_ 😒😒😒
@@LadyLeomon yeah
Jimmy W
Everyone got upset at the one scene not realizing that's how Lois has reacted so many damn times with anger toward learning Kent is supes.
Superman fans eating good. Superman and Lois. My Adventures with Superman. A supergirl with rage issues closer to the comics unlike Melissa Benoist. Tommorowverse Superman. David Corenswet in Superman Legacy. ❤
We really are! Really happy to see more Superman now
Like how they think making Spider-Man or Batman miserable is their only character trait.
Flashbacks to all the times the writers did Spidey dirty 😭
Yeah stas did a great job beating up superman. Ive only seen the first two episodes so far. I was just waiting for more enemies to judge his power but he does seem a little too strong so far/ fights are too easy for him.
The show is really simple. Stas gave a lot more backstory to the villains.
I gotta catch up and give it a chance.
Agreed. I did want Superman to get beat up a lil more, but I’m hoping the next episodes do that!
STAS was only good when it comes to the villains. This is better in terms of characterization of the main hero and his supporting cast, the drama, the romance between Clark and Lois etc. The last episode was the best so far. I hope you enjoy the show.
"Of course, it's difficult to write superman, since he's nigh invincible, save for his one weakness, the Kryptonite"
And Magic... oh, and mind control... AND atomic radiation... And lead. And the fact that he's a softie with a lot of loved ones that can be used against him. And electricity. And Red solar radiation... And Kryptonite again, because tbh, it's not that rare, Luthor probably has a K-dildo.
Yeah, is Araki Hirohiko the only person who still writes intelligent plots that don't involve finding out how to beat the opponent to a pulp?
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"But lets be honest here, every Superhero is essentially"
* Title card splash *
Lmao good catch!! Honestly, that was sort of unintended, but I should have put that in lol.
In the Donner cut, Lois sussed him out by taking out a newspaper photo of Superman and drawing glasses on him with a magic marker.
Then she immediately jumps out a window, and Clark outsmarts her. So she later just fucking pulled out her gun and shot him.
Old Lois has no chill 😂
(She also asked his dick size. How weird is it that the 78 movie is more violent and raunchy than an "Adult Swim” show??)
Haha. Old Lois supremacy lol. But honestly, her way of finding out was so clever. Also yah, you’re right. It’s noticeable how restricted the show is despite being on Adult Swim.
Another similarity is Clark and Lois look like Guts and Casca.
You are so right!! Oh no bro.
Oh nononon non nein
Oh no! Don’t tell me Jimmy
Bro don’t give them ideas 😂. I think it might be Lex. Imagine if young Lex and Supes start friends and become enemies
Lois and Superman is like a batter version of Videl and Gohan from DBZ
Right, I was thinking the same thing.
Just because Superman can't be hurt doesn't mean he can't "lose". The risk of failure has to be put on losing something other than his own life, like hole in some canons he can't save his father fromdying😢
True true.
since when can superman not be hurt?
The fact that in 2023 Lowis lane can't figure out that Clark is Superman and the only disguise is a slight hair Style change and glasses is unrealistic. This has been the one thing I've always had a problem with with Superman as a superhero with a secret identity. I don't understand with all the different remakes of Superman and the story behind him we have the constantly use this unbelievable thing that all the people who work with him don't know who he is. I personally had a woman recognized me even though I was wearing a surgical mask during COVID just because of my eyes and my hair and I barely see her maybe Once every 2 or 3 years.
Yeah agreed. Doesn’t really make sense for people (especially his coworkers) to not recognize
By portraying Superman as both powerful and relatable, this show effectively highlights the importance of showcasing his everyday struggles. Rather than solely relying on a Jesus metaphor, the character's true essence shines through his challenges.
Hopefully, this shows changes the bad rep the character had gotten over the years from the general populous.
I’m hoping too!
I've never been a fan of Superman, because he rarely felt like a human, Even if he's an alien, he was raised since he was a baby on earth, My adv. With supes is the first time they nailed this
True! He is and should be human to the core! Not someone that looks down on humanity
Thank you for making this video, the drama on socials is nuts!!
There is definitely something to wanting balance between simple and melodrama/angst. I'm still hoping others will like it but i wrote a comic character and universe built around a Superman clone of sorts. One who caused a lot of destruction, but not by choice. And afterwards he does all he can to make things right. Even doing the whole saving cats and the like from trees.
I actually really like this. You should keep writing it. Reminds me of this Skyrim quote: is it better to be a person born good doing good or a person born evil trying their best to be good? (That’s not the exact quote but the gist of it.)
@detremis well if you really want to read some of it, I've got a fanfic page. The author name is HanBaron. Though it's a lot of MHA mixed with various ideas I've had. But my main one that follows my Superman, sort of, is Justice Across Space and Time. I actually started a sequel for that one.
I am writing this before I watch the video.
Lois has figured out that Clark is Superman multiple times but through random events where the universe ends, a body double in the room, or Superman straight up wiping her mind she becomes unaware again.
Honestly, with the hole disguise thing, I don’t mind, because Clark got found out in like, 3 episodes. Had they carried it out for longer, then I would’ve been annoyed.
If Superman had to be simplified to one word, it's "perseverence." And it's such an important characteristic of his that it's literally been passed on to every single iconic superhero you know and love. He's a simple nice guy, who PERSEVERES in his decency, despite and especially when, the world around isn't.
Superman is the pinacle of heroism because his strength doesn't comes from his powers, but his resolve to do the right thing from a very stable and mature perspective. Now: what's the right thing to do? That is the conflict of Superman. He has to make decisions using his limited worldview that is the same that you and me have and that is what makes him relatable.
That's why Lex Luthor is his perfect antagonist, someone devious that seek to control and manipulate normal people to achieve his goals.
I haven't seen this series, looks for a more younger audience, and personally as long Superman is not breaking necks and causing 911 levels of destruction then I'm ok with that.
My favourite modern day Superman quote is. "See now, If the bullets don't work. Why the punching? I never understand that."
for me it was MHA that started it - the stories have started going from the early "honest" stories of good guy heroes to anti-heroes or regular people being heroic.
but seeing Midoriya simply WANT to do good and how his situation made that impossible but he was given a chance. it was "JUST" a hero story of an honest hero doing good but the emotions of that anime was giving me something that was lost over a decade when every pop culture thing had to be Dark or had to subvert your expectations... no, this was straight up just good and while it was within expectations, the show made it clear the stakes and the weights against the expected to happen.
Yeah the beginning of MHA was stunning for the reason you described! The robot punch scene was so good
I haven’t followed as much recently, but I heard the series has taken a darker turn. Interesting to see where it goes tho!
The CZcams channel Overly Sarcastic Productions put forward the argument that Superman works best when his rescue efforts are front and centre to the story instead of some supervillain fight. For instance, in the classic Superman: the Movie (the grand-daddy of all modern superhero movies), the cataclysmic final act isn't a cinematic final fight against Zod or whatever; it's Superman struggling against....the damage and danger caused by a massive earthquake. He's racing across the West Coast, faster than a speeding bullet, trying to save as many people as (super-)humanly possible, and using the full extent of his considerable powers to do so.
Absolutely agree. I think for My Adventures w Superman specifically, since it is a young Supes, battles against villains may have more weight since Superman is inexperienced. Rescue missions are sort of like the consistent or endgame content 😂. The writers can really leverage this to break the conception of Superman being boring.
Also I read an iteration of Supes where his hearing is so good that he can hear tragedies across the world. Even with his powers he can’t save them all. Imagine the mental fortitude needed. Crazy
Never realised how much this Lois looks like Luz LOL
I am generally okay with people not thinking Clark is Superman. Why would anyone expect that Superman spends half his time living as an ordinary joe? I saw a waitress at Denny's who looks like Jennifer Aniston; should I assume that the waitress is really Jennifer Aniston under a secret identity? See how crazy that sounds?
All Clark has to do is carry himself differently than Superman, and I'm good with, Lois notices that Clark looks like Superman, but simply sees no reason to think they're the same person.
I like that idea better when Superman's physique doesn't stand out so much. When he looks more jacked than nearly every human, and then you have a Clark who looks just as big, I find it harder to believe.
Really good point. People can coincidentally look the same.
Why would Supes work at a desk job lol
But Zippy’s point is also right, it’s true that he does tower over everyone else. It’s also not great that he says that he didn’t do sports but chess in HS 😂
@@detremis True, this particular Clark has no shot of disguising his physique through bad posture. I figure regular comics Clark walks like a farm hand, not a supermodel or hero.
I think since the New 52, Lois has told Clark that she never knew, but Clark strongly suspects she really did and she just tells him that to make him look good. Within the New 52, she thought it was rather cute that he thought his "disguise" was clever. In this rendition, they're all so much younger, and Clark really doesn't have much experience with maintaining a secret identity, so it's very believable that she figures it out. I wonder if Jimmy will?
Good point. I think Jimmy will be told. His hunch about aliens though. Could say he technically (somewhat) figured it out before Lois 😂
N52 versions weren't real. Copies created by Doctor Manhattan
@@cheapfinish6224 Actually, they should be real because they exist as part of the multiverse. Remember that Doc M. discovered that the universe continually recreates itself, pushing Superman later and later into the timeline, preserving as part of the multiverse each iteration, including the one Doc M. fiddled with.
In the Incredibles, they made sure to show supers feel pain, even the invincible Mr. Incredible felt pain, (when he stopped the train he knew it would hurt and it did) so points for them.
The villains in this show could be better but all the villains have to wear suits parasite silver Banshee
Superman's not difficult to write; just put him up against threats that can't be punched into submission. And that implies a deeper error writers make: they act like Superman's deal should be punching supervillains. While that should probably happen sometimes, Superman's main deal is saving people. He fights supervillains because they threaten people, not because punching supervillains is his life's purpose. If you read old Silver Age Superman comics, he contends with all sorts of issues that have nothing to do with supervillains, from convincing a blind girl that he isn't a fraud (spoilers: he cures her blindness) to finding a lost infant.
Agreed!
@@Superlad945You are not wrong, we don't need a Superman with Mort Weisinger sensibilities. But for all the Weisingerian superdickery, it still showed that it's possible to write Superman up against challenges that aren't solved by lifting heavy things.
They are inserting Complex in the form of Lois Dad. The first was her hanging up on him and the second he with Waller and that sword guy.
I’m officially your 334th subscriber 😌. Great video!
Thank you 🥹
I think the reveal was done way to soon and poorly executed. Lois Lane is smart but the audience that says she's dumb for not realizing it sooner, probably don't know that most people wouldn't imagine Superman living a mundane life as a reporter since he's got powers most men would dream of. And Tas did give Superman hardships like Parasite kidnapping him and discovering his secrets, Darkseid killing his friend Dan Turpin, being sent to a dystopian future, and having the world turn against him. Some people like to be subverted but most people that are into something want to see their heroes retain the qualities they like about them.
I like this dissenting opinion. Yeah, I think in the series, the subversion was to gather more popularity. But you’re right that they have to be careful to not trade off too many qualities that makes Superman Superman.
It was a bad look for both Lois and Clark since they really didn't know each other that long. Also it didn't click they had Lois do that stunt in the middle of the city, they BETTER show somebody saw that.
@@ExeErdna Yeah they made Clark look dumb when there's a number of ways he could've avoided this. And Lois looks manipulative and selfish in every way possible.
Amen and the STAS did such a marvelous job at it, that this shows quality to me, will never be close to the of TAS.
@@keenestfox6376 THANK YOU!
The one thing I can't really forgive this show for is it's tumbr dialogue, like seriously, so much of it sounds like someone who was so into writing fanfics on tumblr they need to desperately touch grass
Admittedly, the fanfic vibe is strong with this one.
personally I am thankful that we are getting lighter DC stories, sure I love some angst, but the endless progression of torturous angst of the hero and reality for the sake of complexity is a HUGE turn off because I am here to escape reality. If I want tragic reality I can just turn on the news. I want to laugh at silly jokes or hyperfixate on a character who is adorable and want good things for them, because that's how I cope with reality. If the writer wants the hero to fall into an endless pit of darkness then put it in the tragedy genre section
My biggest problem was what they did with the villains; Intergang is now a group of three petty thieves? It's INTER-gang, as in *international.* Or making Livewire tech-based, or making Ivo into a Lex Luthor clone, rather than an android designer. It's not necessarily the quality of these villains, but rather, that they're taking the names of comic book top villains and attaching them to entirely different characters.
And yes, I know that there is some liberty in adaptation, but cohesion is also important. Darkseid can't be an anarchist, for example, because that's not Darkseid. Darkseid is anti-life, the hollow shells that people become without their free will.
I also disagree that Superman should feel more pain. I think he feels too much pain, because even if Superman is discovering his powers, invulnerability is a not something that has to be discovered, it's an innate property of Superman's being.
Bro hit the nail on the head with the spoiler prediction.
What’s nice about superman is that even tho he is nearly invincible, physically and mentally his vulnerable i like how human this interpretation of superman is he is not physically overpowered neither is he mentally he still messes up and shows he is still learning and trying to grow as a person and he is awkward even as superman because it shows he doesn’t change who he is even if he tries to put on the brave front.
Actually there are other romantic avenues, specifically canon Lana Lang.
True true!
I SAW ALL 5 EPISODES OF MY ADVENTURES WITH SUPERMAN I LOVE IT ALL
LOI LANE DID FIND OUT CLARK IS SUPERMAN IN THE END OF EPISODE 4 FROM TABLOIDS
AND IN EPISODE 5 CLARK COMES BACK FROM A BATTLE WITH DEATHSTROKE AND BATTLESCARED AS CLARK GOES 9. THE ROOF TO FIND LOOS LOIS SEES CLARK INJERED AND C LO ARK LIES TOO HER ABOUT WHERE HE WAS AND WHAT HAPPED TO HIM
AND LOIS IS FEDUP AND FORESES CLAR KI TO REVIEL THAT HES SUPERMAN BY JUMPING OF THE ROOF OF THE BUILDING CLARK FLIES DOWN TO CHECH GER AND LOIS IS UPSET AT CLARK BUT I THEN WHEN JIMMY FOT CAPSHED COARK AND LOIS PUT THERE D8FFRENTES ASIDE TO SAVE JIMMY
Superman's disguise is 100% ridiculous.
Originally I always thought it was a Bugs Bunny disguise: one that is obvious to the audience, but in-universe is supposed to be really good. You know, like when Bugs would dress in drag and fool Elmer. In other words, they made it obvious so the reader could easily tell.
And, to be fair, the right kind of glasses and hair change could work if Supes was not supposed to actually be all that big. See, for example, how Katy Perry is nigh unrecognizable without her bangs.
Dude you hit Lois on the nose. Just had this same conversation with my mother. 👍😁
I love this version of super man because for me the super man i know is a chill and down to earth man who loves earth and the people who lives in it and he would do anything to protect them and give them a chance to change
Not a some deity with god complex who sees humans as weak creatures in need of him
And this show delivers us this kind of super man
True true. He’s human to the core.
For me it brings back good memories of those old cartoons like adventure time gumball and all the other amazing ones and plus I actually like this version of lois lane
Great video! I ADORE THIS SHOW!!! New sub here from Sweden :)
Thank you!!! I’m glad you enjoy the show! I really enjoy it too!
4:51, *looks at Down To Earth*
Lmao
Why does Lois Lane look so much like Lucifer- opps.. sorry, I mean Luz from The Owl House?
Spoiler:
Not everyone treating Lois like Lucifer after epi 5 😭
Really good video! Heres a tip while doing these types of videos, try to cut out your breaths so then it feels fluid and not interrupted (I use audacity but whichever works fine). Hope you get more subs!
This is a great comment!!! Yeah, the audio is something I wanted tips on. Will implement this in future vids.
Damn. This is your newest video and it became your most popular one. You must be proud :)
I’m so happy and grateful 🥹. Was really a shock.
I personally am not the biggest fan of the mental pain angle as to me it just feels like a way to say that pain itself is the worst factor to endure.
To me, the biggest factor is to showcase that Superman just can't save everyone. This to me is one of the main takeaways of his character as a person and as a superhero. He's still deep down is unable to save everyone from factors that if he could would in some way make the world truly a better place for everyone.
But at the same time, he comes to know that it is irresponsible of him to truly be that absolute savior because it would take away what he's trying to stand for, in that everyone can be Superman like him. Everyone deep down can overcome what they truly fear, hate, and are challenged by, and through their own means.
Superman is a person that doesn't mind pain, cause pain is superficial to him, just a thing that everyone has. What he can't mind is a person being unable to overcome obstacles in their way. Superman is a very reactionary person.
Big Superman fan and I’ve been loving the show
It’s providing the good things we like or want to see more of, while also mixing things up with its story building to provide something new. And while some of that new can be hit or miss, it’s at least interesting enough to keep me invested (such as the villain origins being more tech based)
And one really big but also really small change I’ve noticed, is that Clark still doesn’t know about Krypton and Jor El because the hologram speaks Krptonian. Anywhere else it’s pretty much always English and we all understand it, but here Clark doesn’t and with a new interpretation we also don’t understand it either. It’s a simple change, but also a pretty big one for Clark’s story, and it’s something new and old fans can be interested in because of what it might lead to in the future and how that changes and develops from what we’ve known in the past
@@Superlad945 when compared to the previous Movies and STAS, which is what I’m referring to, it is kind of new. Almost all of them have Clark be told he’s an alien, and when he does meet his father, they talk about him being from krypton and stuff
@@Superlad945 the jor-el not speaking English is what I’m talking about. That’s new for a lot of this. Idk if it’s the first time and if it’s happened before in some comics, but in the movies and shows he’s always spoken English so there isn’t really a mystery about Clark’s alien past when he first makes contact with Jor-el. That is really interesting and is a refreshing change
Great vid my friend keep up the great work.👍
This means a lot. Thank you!
Along with the whole "other Loises saw Clark as competition" part, the other Loises were also already established reporters before their respective Clarks showed up at the Daily Planet. She is Clark's SENIOR in those versions; she has to show him the ropes of being a reporter in the big city. In particular, '90s animated Lois went out of her way to treat Clark as a clueless Kansas hayseed as opposed to her streetwise city slicker-ness, constantly deriding him by calling him by the name of his hometown, "Smallville".
Whereas the new version of Lois starts off at the same "know-nothing intern with something to prove" level as Clark. Here, they are EQUALS. Along with what was mentioned in the video, this equailty in their relationship from the moment they met also allows this Lois to quickly see Clark as someone who could be amazing like Superman... and someone she could fall in love with.
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I love this comment more than I should 😂
All star Batman will adopt you... 😂
The final episodes of Season 1 were pretty intense.
The thing that feels missing from the show is the original dynamic that Lois is in love with the grandiose male wish-fulfillment fantasy of Superman, and that's not a basis for a real relationship. Because Superman is the persona placed on his acts of greatness, while the real person is Clark. Superman's acts of greatness come from Clark Kent's basic goodness. And if you only see value in one and not the other, you're missing the point of greatness. You love the super, but not the hero.
So Lois already taking an immediate interest in Clark sacrifices that dynamic, and makes everything too easy for their relationship. It bypasses the traditional love triangle between Clark, Lois, and Superman. Why would they do that? I think this is an interesting question, and the show is set up to try and answer it. I assume the upcoming James Gunn film, Superman: Legacy, will return to the more traditional Lois/Clark/Superman dynamic. So the whole point of this show is to explore an alternate dynamic for the characters. We'll see where it goes.
Well put! Yah the romance happening too easily was noticeable. But it certainly is interesting to see the alternate dynamic.
That dynamic was dumb and the show was right to get rid of it. And I say this as a massive Superman fan.
Lios and Clark the New Adventure of Superman did it better
Will need to watch that!
7:21 I mean one of the first reviews for the first episode was a shoujo anime fan who loved it for appealing to her lol
The nervous laughter around All-Star Batman 😅
@@Superlad945 Frank Miller is now comparable to Lombard... oh dear 🤣
I’ve been on both sides of the superman opinion spectrum, and I think some people don’t like superman is because they prefer when their characters are put through the ringer and half to push through. That’s probably why sometimes superman detractors bring up man of steel or injustice as media where they liked superman. As for me I don’t mind a simple character or a complex one just as long as the writing’s enjoyable (which sometimes can vary from person to person) and I’m able to have fun with the story.
The thing I love about this Superman show is that it actually makes sense of its character development. Ranging from the way it makes Supes vulnerable to his relationships with Lois and others is done quite well. In fact, it all feels revolutionary.
This is a good video to watch while u eat and relax
Part of what made Buffy The Vampire Slayer such a hit show was her support group. A hero can't do it alone. Even Batman has his Bat Family. Clark Kent had a friend group to support him in the "Smallville tv series". It was such a wining formula that Arrow and Flash both got large support teams in their respective tv series. Same goes for most of the CW Arrowverse tv shows, including Supergirl. It just works for the narrative if the hero is not constantly lying to his closest friends and they can help him out.
“A hero can’t do it alone.” Really love that. Yah, also like that this is a trio. Supes can’t hide forever!
0:38 well nah man. In the Christopher Reeve movies, she figures it out
I guess she does need 100% proof, but she likely doesn't get it the way you thought she would.
I enjoyed it. This Clark is too inexperienced to pull off the types of tricks the older Superman would do to keep Lois from proving it. He can still hopefully do them later with someone else.
This Clark has little experience hiding his identity, and is quite clumsy at withholding his powers. It makes sense that anyone he hangs out with all the time could catch on.
Pause: I don’t hate Superman, can’t ever recall a time when I did … it’s *Lois* I hate in this instance. Lois Lane has always been an important part of (mainline) Superman’s story, she lifts him up and consoles him when he needs her … but I can totally see this Lois setting Clark on fire and getting mad he dared to burn 😒😒😒
I much prefer this and Supermsn & Lois versions. Making Lois fall for Clark, not Superman makes her much less shallow
10:22 i hate this solution
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I like this commentary, it's a vibe
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Thank you!!!
This idea that this show is simple or wish-fulfillment is one I can't abide either.
SIMPLE
I wouldn't even say the characters are simple- what they are is uncomplicated. Superman is a guy who sees someone in trouble and wants to help them, Lois is a gal who sees someone hiding something and wants to make the truth known to the people who have a right to know it, Jimmy is a guy that sees things he can't explain and chooses to believe in unconventional explanations and find his own answers. The motivations are simple, but they make for consistent and strong characters, who still have a lot of complexity- Clark is struggling with the fact that he doesn't understand his identity and a lot of the problems he's found himself facing recently are bigger than he's currently equipped to deal with. Lois is grappling with how to trust Clark after finding out he was keeping his identity from her and she constantly finds herself in trouble trying to do the job she believes in, she doesn't fully know what her role should be yet, and her journey to find that is her story arc. Jimmy is struggling with how to reconcile his conspiracy theory loving brain with the mainstream world he lives in and the mainstream job he has, and is contemplating his friendship with Lois and Clark as they get closer and drift away from him.
The plot isn't simple either, so far we have Deathstroke as an agent of Cadmus, Cadmus having beef with Superman but Eiling being conflicted seeing the good he's doing, Intergang is starting to pick up steam and while Cadmus is onto them, they don't quite have a handle on them, plus Intergang means Apokolips is gonna get involved, all the mystery box Krypton stuff means Braniac is probably gonna get involved, it's all building up a lot of intriguing storylines.
WISH FULFILLMENT
I don't even know where to start with this one- is it wish fulfillment that two sensible mature good looking adults like each other and discuss their feelings in a mature way that doesn't unnecessarily complicate their lives? If so that's a really sad wish and I hope your life gets better. Is it wish fulfillment that Superman gets to do good and his efforts to help people are actually successful? Because again, super pessimistic worldview man, very dark. This is just a normal story about normal people doing normal superhero shenanigans
glad that you were...kinda wrong mostly right. glad they didin't drag it out.
I think the main reason i dont get into superhero type stories often is that they dont have much besides the origin story or face offs to consider. The plots of most superhero media is often not that good and mainly consists of schemeing from the villains. For stories to hold my attention in the genre it always needed something else, this is why Spider Man was and still is my favorite superhero, second to Iron Man. Because they are majorly faceted and human characters. Superman never appelaed to me but that was also cause i dont like DC and its extreme edgy universe where everyone just makes shitty decisions, and Superman was just not as interesting vs the other options. Spider Man was more relateable and had a younger angle which was closer to my age, and showed more of the actual person side of the superhero besides just the whole hero stuff. Iron Man was a man who created his own abilities but was never a powered being and in that was he was much more interesting especially with his amazing personality and being not the usual good intentioned citizen who wants to help those in need. He is many allegories on his own
This is why i actually tried to make a superhero type story a long time ago that broke out of that rut where Heros and Villains were just good and bad, and people couldn't die or usually didnt have much in yerms of complicated relationships and issues outside of their alter ego, or having serious conflicts with their enemies and allies that isnt just punch first ask questions later. It made me also realize that superhero stories almost never have an overarching plot in general. That missing element is usually overshadowed by the grandeur of the action or other things, but i think we finally got some movies who evplved past this and those are the spiderverse movies. I have only seen the 1st one but the 2nd looks a lot like its even better and boasts a lot of things that havent been able to shine in supehero genre media in a long time. Yes i dont include comics in this discussion, i have not read them and only know a few vague things about them so im mainly talking about films and tv shows.
I think its finally time we got superhero and villain stories that arent just origin stories too. While Marvel has made a few good ones they're definitely floundering and have been for a while. The recent Spiderman was one of the best in a while and its not a spectacular movie even though its good, which is worrying.
Superman is NOT ' weak to magic'. I'm tired of people saying this. He is VULNERABLE to magic & has good resistance to it. If he was weak to magic, he wouldn't be able to tank powerful magic he does a lot (Shazam, Black Adam, Dr. Fate, Zatanna, etc), at all. Lost or not... He wouldn't be able to take little of the magic from DCs character tied for the 2nd strongest, aka Lucifer Morningstar (with his brother Michael Demiurgos being the other tied for 2nd). 1st is obviously The Presence (DCs god).
He’s not weak to magic
Good catch. Yah, he’s just not invulnerable.
@@detremis yeah wasnt tryna be rude btw
He actually is.
@@tylerleach8796 no he’s not goofy
@@blickyjester Except yes, he is vulnerable to magic attacks.
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Nah, I really disagree with the first point. Superman is already feeling a lot of pain in this one and it should really just be toned down as his powers develop and he gets more control of them, along with experience in fighting, and then come back when a major villain shows up with a level of power we haven't seen before. Depending on how stronger the villain is, or if kryptonite is employed, *maybe* he should feel the level of pain you're looking for. They could also make his development really slow but keep making the enemies stronger, justifying all the pain without breaking the "power scaling" (using that term leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Please, I'm no internet power scaler, typing this from my mother's basement lol).
In any case, making him howl in pain and cry around from every weak sauce that shows up is absolutely a no-go since it will be, at least a far as I'm concerned, just annoying and undermining to his character. Right now, the only one that I'd see really hurting him would be the Krypton-tech-enhanced Deathstroke and maybe an army of those giant robots, but this growth has been pretty fast and that can change soon, if it doesn't slow down. I'd honestly only save the really major displays of hurt for kryptonite, unless something crazy shows up while he's still a newbie, like a bad kryptonian...
I agree that episode 5 made Supes get hurt in the way I wanted 😈. I also agree that the pain should be toned down as he gains experience.
But I still do think that within his first fights (the robots and against intergang), he was getting disoriented, but I still wanted a little more emphasis on the fear and shock of combat. I wanted the reality and pain of fighting to scare him more rather than him just getting back and immediately catching a punch (intergang). The dude starts as a gentle giant, so hurting and getting hurt should be new. He might be invincible, but fighting and the mentality of combat is still new to him. Those were his first fights in the series, so there was more leeway to make him much weaker to show his struggle into becoming a pro hero.
But still overall, I think the series has done a good job with the pain.
@@detremis I see, I guess what I feared is true -- you were mostly just being humorous in the way you expressed yourself in the video, but I took it too seriously and though you wanted something like, say, what we see with DBZ characters, who seem to take a punch and then scream for 10 seconds as if somebody is cutting their limbs off with a hacksaw lol. We're on the same page, after all haha.
@@emmanuel1337 Haha DBZ screaming. Your comment was good for pointing out the trap of making Supes too weak against less powerful villains, which would only take away from the character and his specific powers.
Also “power scaler in my mother’s basement” 😂 love that line
Were can i watch it i really need to watch it
3:39 nah we have seen this alot of times bruh its getting old
Most versions of Lois I never liked because of the fact that she almost never wants anything to do with Clark and only likes Superman, made her come off as a gold digger.
Don't golddiggers like men's money and not the man? In this case Lois was just delusional
@@extoyshred2957 in this case it was because he was exciting as Superman because of the powers.
You also have great Superman comics like What's so funny about Truth,Justice,and the American way(action comics 775)
Superman: Red and blue
Superman: Smashes the Klan
Superman: American alien
Man of Steel vol. 1
The show is for 36 yr old weeb like me
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I could not disagree more about the whole "let Superman feel pain" thing. Superman is a story about how having immense power and being, in that power, separated from humanity, he doesn't feel their pain, he doesn't share their weaknesses, and that gives him a responsibility to them. The fact that he can be above it all puts him in the unique position to take on problems that seem above it all. Superman needs to be able to relate to human suffering without experiencing most of it himself, that's one of the most consistently interesting aspects of the Superman character. The more pain you make him feel the less interesting his character is.
I really like this dissenting opinion.
Though the only issue is that Supes is “human first” then alien.
A core part of his character is that he relates to humans since he was human first.
He was raised human and might have already experienced some human physical pain when he was young. Usually he develops powers during his teen years. That’s another wrinkle I/we should consider.
But yeah, the idea of being able to relate to human suffering despite not always experiencing it is relatively unique to Supes. I like your take!
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I still like the idea of making his first fights more of a reality shock that he has to get used to. I wanted the choice for him to be a hero a much harder one where his pain and instinct tell him to run away. Then when he’s older, more experienced, and no longer really experiences pain (except against other heavy hitters), he has to make sure he can still relate to human limitation.
Have we finally discovered good millennial writing
LMAO. I loved this comment more than I should have.