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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 21. 08. 2022
- Mark Robinson reveals the multitude of problems at Essendon, in the aftermath of Ben Rutten's unceremonious sacking.
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The comments that John Worsfold made in his final press conference back in 2020 have really rung true. Essendon arenât prepared to do the hard work and until they do will keep repeating this cycle.
Essendon is a narcissist.
Signs of narcisssm:
Sense of Entitlement.
Manipulative Behavior
Need for Admiration. ...
Lack of Empathy.
Grandiose sense of self
"full of weird people" - Robbo. Love it XD
Really testing my ability to endure the long and arduous road of being an Essendon fan.
Ben Rutten is the only coach Iâve seen get sacked yet his stocks as a coach went up through how he handled being treated. We are Essington đ Laidley or Bomber Thompson in!
Both crackheads but only one's a stalker.
Essington, is that in the UK? đfunny Ben strikes me as man with integrity, definitely not the coach for Essendon then lol
Ben rutten is a horrible coach
A good double to take the coaching job at messydon Danni and bomber Thomson.
I often take Robboâs comments/rambling with a rather large grain of salt, but being so close to his heart, the comments and passion are spot-on and voice the opinions of many. Well done Robbo! Many of the often silent majority are behind you on this. For the sake of the game Essendon, please unite as NOTHING will change until you do this.
you can't unite if people bad are there. they need to clear some people out
Additionally, as a Bombers fan, he is biased and too emotional to objectively comment on them.
Get Caroline Wilson to coach , CEO , President and a board member. She knows it all.
Iâm sure if you gave Rutten the choice he still would have preferred to coach the last game against Richmond even if he knew he was to be sacked.
Rutten was clear on his intent to continue coaching as he was invested in the list and going by the character he showed during the week I think he would have seen it through.
The media had been shitting on Rutten all year and now they feel sorry? Nah they just want a story.
It's hard to argue with anything Slobbo said there.
Yes, the timing of sacking Rutten was wrong and it was a bad look for the club, but he has been extremely poor this season and deserved to be sacked.
If you've ever played footy before, you can just imagine how bad of a coach he was this year that the players had to get him to change the game plan. It was either too difficult and confusing for the squad they had, or the game plan didn't work.
Either way, that is unheard of at AFL level and is an absolute embarrassment.
Essendon could not risk another horrific season in 2023, so they made the right decision over Rutten. It was just handled poorly.
And the board members need to remember they work for the club. They aren't the club.
If they're not going to get behind the new direction the club is going, then quit.
Those weasels resemble politicians in Canberra more than they do board members of an AFL club.
Correct on the game plan analysis,
example - the media thrashed him for not using a tagger in the first 6 games, when it was an obvious need and before mid-season the lack of defence was also highlighted and was never amended..
He needed to go and the leadership squad needs a reshuffle.
The way they sacked him sucked.
Slobbo...lol such a descriptive name
"Don't sit there and backstab!"
Umm, how did David Barham get the president's role again?
The hobart bombers
fact: the AFL doesn't exist without Essendon, look into the history of AFL before you comment.
Fact, nobody cares, your club is a joke
even as a non-Essendon fan, I really felt for Rutten in that situation. They stabbed him in the back and let the mess of their situation play out publicly. It was utterly disgraceful, and whereas I appreciate it's a ruthless industry with sackings occuring galore and power-shifts etc etc...it was abominable they way they handled it and themselves and then used Ben as the scapegoat...ALLOWED him to coach on Sat and then sacked after Clarko snubbed them for North. Shithousery at its finest, what coach watching on would want to go there at present with the club in such a pickle...?!?! Be one brave, thick-skinned mofo, that's for sure....club's a rabble
like someone said in the comments, Rutten's stocks have gone higher because of the way they treated him. We're not even Essendon fans and we feel sorry for him.
@@imalwaysright why have his stocks gone up? Hes a nice guy and yeah essendon treated him poorly, but he was a below average coach
@@Yalbou below average coach is questionable. The coach is not the only problem or reason for their results.
@@imalwaysright Well below average coach. Fact is, non Essendon people are never going to care what outsiders think of that club.
Robbo sounding like a Wellness coach!
I love it, Get upset get upset, that's it
Rutten was only in his second year as the senior coach after his apprenticeship with Worsfold. Hardly what you would call an experienced coach. If the Essendon board is to be consistent, they will be expecting a new coach to be having a team into the finals after 2 years if that is, the new coach is relatively a newcomer to the game.
An experienced coach who has coached at the level previously and served an apprenticeship should be expected to have the side in the finals this time next year.
With the rabble directing the Club at Board level, I can't see this happening.
The President sets a selfish example when he states " my daughters 21 and hasn't seen the Club win a grand final" ( or words to that effect). Well sport, quite a few other Clubs haven't won one in the same time.
Perhaps the old ground "Windy Hill" was aptly named, the Club is still windy and now fos !!
Has this Robbo guy won a competition? Surely he isnât a regular on TV?!
Way too regular unfortunately. Maybe he has some dirt on the management as I doubt he's ever won anything.
Footy clubs just need to treat people at the club with respect,it really shouldn't be that hard. As a Freo fan I think the club was right to get Ross Lyon,but Mark Harvey was not treated with the respect he deserved. Mark Harvey was as passionate about Freo while he was coaching as I am so I still feel a pang of guilt every time I see him pop up on TV. Treat people with respect,it's not that hard.
Integrity is everything
ha i'm passionate on this subject cos was traumatised when Freo did it twice in a row. Sure a change of coach is acceptable, but it could wait until off season and players should be consulted.
People forgot Hird did come back in 2015 and was sacked as coach bc of performance. Probs shouldnât bring him back, the circus that would come with the story would absolutely not be worth it, backwards step.
Such a touchy-feely and caring group commenting! So sweet. The sudden moral outrage warms the cockles of our hearts.
a week ago they were bashing him lol
I want a whole new board.. I mean everyone involved needs to walk. In the best interests of the club..and I then want that board to get Ross Lyon and Williams as assistant.. I want both of them
He had to go.Did you watch the Richmond match?They used their only foward, who is capable of taking a big mark, as the second ruckman, which meant they had no target in attack.
They don't have a defensive game.They don't pressure their opponents.They are not competitve.In the last three weeks, Richmond, Port Adelaide and G.W.S. thrashed them.None of which are top six sides.Somebody has to take responsibility.The Bombers need a new coach.What is the big deal?He saw the season out.He had a chance to save his job.Some clubs don't give their coach that chance.They sack them mid season.All year the media have speculated Essendon was in the running for Clarko's services and when they finally made a move (all be it too late) the same journalists are attacking them.Give me a break.Essendon did not finish on the bottom.They have a good list.They just a decent coach.
I would argue Richmond are a top 6 side atm if youâre looking at form.. agree with the rest though
I donât think you couldnât have said this any better. I agree đŻ %
Robbo is correct. For once!
I generally donât like what he has to say, but heâs spot here spot on here.
I don't know why Essendon think it's a coaching issue when they seem to have primarily invested in the draft the last couple of years and failed to bring in major trade targets like josh dunkley due to not paying up on demands of the other club. If your not bringing in the talent then you need to wait for the current talent to develop which requires both a coach and time.
if you actually watch them play they have no clear structure or game style. its the coach as well.
@@SonyCamry and yet made finals last year in his first year as coach đ
@@SonyCamry those are what i'd expect to come with talent development though
@@imalwaysright Really taken the team somewhere after getting thrashed in that final and proving to everyone that he got lucky just falling into 8th and didn't belong there.
@@dansharp2860 maybe the players failed đ€·ââ
Players definitely partly responsible in that performance, they shoulda played for Ben, yeah they verbally disagreed to the board, but if had won that game, how good would of that been in showing board that the coach is going alright, just need to do some tweaking.
Agree the board & management are a incompetent disgrace
Sustainable defence based Game plans & coaching systems are critical
Clarkson won the 2008 flag with an average inexperienced side because of his game plan
It took another 4 years after that before hawthorn became a great list & team
Rutten was given 2 years total making the finals in his first year ?
Seeing Robbo squealing just makes my day
Theatre at its best! đđ§
The President should walk ,
Waiting until 4days before end of season to talk to Clark is unforgiven ,
You will never be the club you were,
Until you get rid of the president down,
You are an embarrassment,
They should bring Hird back.
To do more drugs đ
He only won 5 games in his last season (Rutten won 7) and only made the finals once in his four years as coach.
Bringing hird back to essendon is literally, and I'm using literally correctly, the most idiot idea in AFL history, let alone essendons. It's such a stupid idea you can't believe anybody would be stupid enough to think it. There isn't the right word yet invented in the English language to describe how farkin stupid bringing hird back is.
@@falconmclenny7284 Hird returning will take Essendon where they need to go.
@@seanlynch1185 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Sorry I shouldn't laugh, your delusion is sad.
What mental gymnastics have you done to convince yourself that's the case? You all convinced yourself he was innocent and now you are living in delusion. The man that destroyed your club, and you want him back? Absolute insanity.
Freo did the same, now i'm a staunch, loyal supporter of Freo for 21years, but what they did to Ross and coach before him, nearly pushed me way from the club. I saw the paying members, the entitled, disgruntled, impatient supporters say they would not pay to be a member unless coach sacked, Saw a lot of that. I don't like that either.
Thats the pressure I believe the Bombers were under. Coach for 1 year!!! and he's gone, but didnt he get you to finals last year Bombers? WTF!!!! And how you outed him was shameful. Disgusting that it was so public, and mid season, and underhand.
People keep saying "he got you to finals last year". No. We fell into 8th spot and got gifted a final. 8th means almost nothing. It would have meant something for say Carlton if they had made it this year but only because it's been so long. Hopping in and out of 8th and piss poor elim finals is nothing. No team has ever done anything from 8th, it exists to give the all mighty broadcaster an extra final not as a reward for being just ok. All it got them was a harder draw and the chance for Rutten to prove we hadn't improved one little bit in the 3 years, not 1, 3 years he's been in charge. Maybe that was too short a time but the club has been on this road now for nearly 20 years. I too thought he was treated shamefully in that last week but it was time to go.
Robbo my best buddy.
Freefall was losing 16 games in 2022. This is fixing the problem.
How uncompetitive was Richmond in 2016 (13th with a percentage of 78%)? Or Melbourne in 2019 (5 wins with a percentage of 78%)?
Richmond lost by 120 points in the last round of 2016.
BOTH those clubs could have used the old "we were uncompetitive in several games" excuse but they didn't. They realized that there is more to a football club than just the coach and they backed the coach.
And when Barham settles on a fix (relying on an external review ... no wait, get in Clarko ... ah, let's go back to the external review ... no wait, we have to concurrently look for a coach while the review takes place) maybe he'll get the benefit of the doubt.
Slur work to do. Robbo is a human mess. Hird? The drug cheat? Why not, can't get any lower.
Ben can come to North Melbourne he is a smart guy!
Looks more of the Robbo show. I thought this was supposed to be about Essendon
What a drama queen my god
Hope they get Malthouse
When does the board get sacked ?
What a ahambles
Hird in based on coaching ability, but the off field stuff could creep back on to the field with the weak mentality of this team.
Shifty as fk if you ask me
@@zed4225 not as shifty as being sucked into thinking Ben could coach.
@@MrWhitmen1981 Like you gave him a chance, weren't you in finals last year?
@@MrWhitmen1981 anyway Ben has integrity so he's not on same level as Essendon board is he.
@@zed4225 whatâs last year got to do with now? Coaching should expect a level of progression. Your first season as coach should have a defined game plan where improvement is shown. 2nd season 8-7th place . 3rd season top 6. 4th challenging
Totally the boards fault. First off there are too many people on the board, should be max 7 not 10 to avoid the board being split. They should of moved of Rutten when they were 2-9, and started a search for the new coach then and there.
How in hell Essendon does not listen to someone like Jobe Watson &/or Michael Hurley who never criticise the club but are now because it is just beyond a joke is staggering...
Watson is right...The board operate as Silo's ...Just looking after themselves & not trying to make the club better... AS a supporter it is heartbreaking... Blind Freddy can see what's going on but the board won't listen...
Until they do this club will remain the rabble it is... Open your bloody eyes
And I thought the crows were a joke
Essendon are not patient enough to back a new coach in and allow them to build anything. And they've experimented with experienced coaches like Worsfold and Thompson and that hasn't worked either. So it's clearly not just a coaching issue it's a culture issue it always has been that's why players like Daniher, Fantasia and Saad leave.
Don't get me started on this subject lmao, like the drafts, the changing of coaches should only happen end of season, not publicly, mid season, without any consultation of the players.
Only 4 experienced coaches who possibly might. Who would want to with Hird and Barham on the board.
Don't like them, and they seem to lack integrity, with a strong liklihood of backstabbing traits. Like i keep saying, culture starts at the top. Respect, trust and being united is crucial for any club, business, family etc.
At the end of the day the board at Essendon doesnât set the week to week game plan, tactics and player selection that lead to all those spankings and poor finish on the ladder. At what point do you say enough is enough as a fan?
@@MrWhitmen1981 It's a team effort and all have to be on the same page. The Senior coach, like the PM is a scapegoat for appeasing disgruntled fans. The team said don't like game plan and changed it. What does that say. No respect there, but is Ben to blame, bet many people factor into it, the club is fractured, until united you won't see a flag. To be honest, for the way they went about this coach saga they deserve wooden spoon next year. Called karma
@@zed4225 iâm okay firing the coach mid season if itâs the right decision, but honestly this wasnât one of those times.
David Can coach and if you donât succeed , F off! đ
Ross Lyon would be a fool if if went to Essendon! Moral compass? đ©đ§
Mark Harvey would like a word
James Hird would be a good step but its gonna take more then him the top need to change
You are joking aren't you? Hird? He hasn't coached a team in 7 years. Stop trying to wind the clock back and pretending the scandal didn't happen. Believe me I understand the appeal but just no.
@@dansharp2860 yes I'm deadly seriously hird wasn't the person to blame doctor Ceo were in charge of that hird was there fall guy and if he killed himself essendon would be no longer they would of been sued to all fuckery James Hird as a coach could definitely coach there were times in that saga he out coach the great Ross Lyon in fact James hird as coach never lost a game to Ross he was a good coach people just wanted a fall guy
@@dansharp2860 if he wants to coach he should get his change to prove everyone wrong and remind who the greatest player possible to ever enter essendon is
@@keatesy_ That being said, I wont be too surprised when those knuckleheads down there do appoint him.
Hird only made a finals appearance once in his four years as coach.
In his last year, he only won 5 games. Rutten, by contrast, won 7.
Hird was a complete failure.
Sad.
may Essendon remain dysfunctional and mediocre for many more years to come!
The worst club morally in the AFL and in sporting business! đ©đ©đ©đ©đ©đđ§
This is nothing new messydon has always been ruthless and arrogant. It hurts them not being competitive for at least 20 years. The suffering continues.
16 Premierships for Essendon...the most successful footy team (with Carlton) ever.
When its time to show leadership they have always faced up..and won.
Only the voice vultures are picking...but they haven't won 16 premierships.
stuck in the past like all the commentators are saying đđđđđ
"If you don't believe what they're doing, get out and they'll get people in who are on the same page."
What exactly is that plan again?
Doing an external review. Oh wait, that doesn't matter because we can get Clarkson. Oh wait, that's idiotic, let's do the external review. Oh wait, we can't wait for the review to be complete so we have to do an external review simultaneously.
When Barham sticks to a plan for more than five minutes, then others could maybe follow.