Intercooler + DIY Piping Install Part 1! (Broke & Boosted Ep7)
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- Alright I know a lot of you have been waiting for this one, thanks for your patience and enjoy!
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Yes!!!! I've been waiting forever for this one
That intercooler is freakin adorable, good build keep it up !
Keep up the videos bud! I just bought the shifter rebuild kit from moss, your videos help alot.
hey man i want to ty so much for this series wow honestly ty so much, i was looking to do turbo in my 90 miata and i was overwhelm with options and shocked at the prices for turbo kits and scared of cheap turbos from ebay for i am not a millionare to afford a new motor if i blow mine, so this project as budget turbo is just what i wanted for what i see in forums online is like people are too condesendent to newbies like me when i ask question, and you answer them all spectialy drilling the oil pan, superb work, ty so much, right now im doing suspension kit koni and megasquirt, once thats done and i save more money ill do the turbe. ty from Venezuela and ill try to video what i do and ty personaly for knowlege shared here in CZcams Univerity lol. congrats on your work.
After finally deciding I wanted to run scca I researched the "easiest" and cheapest car to race successfully. I landed on the na miata. I saved for a few months and just aquired a 96na with a t28 running ms v1 with a very conservative tune. I watched most, if not all your miata videos before finally going to buy one.Your content definitely sealed the deal on what I was looking for when I purchased my first miata.
+Sgt Waffles Glad it was helpful!
You rock man.
I've been following you for a while. I already have Torsen, MS, bigger injectors, Supercharger etc. I'm working on installing an intercooler. So this video really helped.
Thanks!
+HellFireno88 Awesome man! Good luck with everything, get some vids up when it's all done!
+TheCarPassionChannel Thanks. I ran into the same issue you had with fitting the 2" from the turbo / supercharger and down to the IC. I'm going to remove my AC, so I'm thinking about just removing the fan that is in the way, and use the other one (I have two fans because of AC). What do you think about that?
HellFireno88 I'm thinking about just removing one of the fans, that should clear up enough space where I need it. I really want to keep the a/c just for the resale value.
awesome build, going to help loads of people. thank you.
nice video bro can't wait for the good weather to come here to colorado so I can start my miata, love the videos and I find them real helpful..
Very well explained Greg. Thanks for breaking down the prices at the end, very helpful. Keep it up!
instablaster.
I just ran my piping (giggty!) last weekend. Thanks for the vid!
i like you. you put a lot of work into your vids. u deserve more views and subs!
Thanks man!
I've been just sitting here going through the entire build. Finally understanding how all the parts of the turbo work together (intercooler, wastegate, blowoff valve, etc..). I really want to do a build like this some day when I got some more money lol.
I really love your series!
Thank you Greg this so helpful for the turbo build I'm about to do.Keep it up man👍
cant wait for the finished product!
Man I love how i don't even have a miata and still am so interested in these vids. Wish I lived in cali I would love to be apart of this channel and wrench
My advice is: don't come to cali, they are very strict here. Yikes!!
Sick. U just helped me with 2 things lol. This weekend Gonna be awesome.
Did you get it done?
Rab Malt considering it was 4 years ago most likely
Hey do forget your nitrous
good commentary and everything in the video i thought it was very well put together! not a miata guy but its great how you kept the video short, but didn't skip any important things at all. also, mighty car mods has a turbo miata build video somewhere if you want to check it out!
Great video. Love the outtakes.
that silicone hose all squeezed between the radiator and the subframe will get a small hole/slash and make a boost leak.
nice videos, you can make it simple to understand even for who barely understands english.
cheers
+Bv1nte I'll probably put a couple little pieces of plastic on it to protect it, but it will most likely take a long time to cause any issue. When you have a turbo Miata you always have to check out all the parts and inspect for and damage or issues, I do it on my other car every 1-2 weeks.
Seems like you're really finding your voice in these videos, man. They get better and better. Keep up the good work, bro.
+Wyatt Laser It's taken a lot more practice than I thought! You don't realize how bad you sound until you go back and watch a video of yourself talking, hahaha. Thanks!
Keep going mate you're doing well
yes ive been waiting for this. fuck yeah bring the videos the more the better
I've got AC and PS.. Seeing your video it should be a lot of "fun" to fit haha
very informative, with humor throw in!
good video. I plan on my first gen sc2 soon. getting all the parts first
Nice videos bud! Can't wait to turbo my car (: I got almost everything to turbo it. NO A/C lol I live in Arizona
Thank yoy for the so much nice information. please tell me is it better to use more metal tube-pipes than silicon connections? i mean, at a silicon elbow is it better to use a metal pipe?
First off love your videos, nice to see someone trying to do everything the best way they can. My question is, since you're still running a MAF, why did you decide against recirculating the blow off valve?
+Matthew Ammerman If I have difficulties with it, I'll have to recirc it. For now it's just the easiest solution. Good question though, I'll try to remember to cover that in the part 2 video.
Love your channel, wish you lived in Chicago to further guide me on mine. I have a 1.6L no power steering or ac so from the sound of its very good. I also love your first Miata awesome piece of art sir!
+Ricardo Montana Now P/S and no A/C makes the piping sooooooooooooo easy. Protip - you can replace the crazy stock lower radiator hoses/hardpipe setup with a single 1985 Buick Electra radiator hose to make even more room. (99% sure it's an upper radiator hose but if you go to a parts store and look at one you'll see which one you need. You just cut it to fit.)
great job! that coupler between the frame and fan shroud will eventually rub through though.
+rehlek In a long time yeah. I'm okay with spending $12 to replace it when the time comes.
4:33 hahahaha I frickin love you man
A suggestion for saving room, might ad $30-$40 to the budget, but used that coolant reroute video for inspiration. If you want to still use the stock radiator, you can buy those thin 10”-12” fans. Stock fans (mainly the supports) are quite big and cause issues as this video presented
I take it you live on a busy street? Keep up the videos man, good stuff!
my mx5 came factoory with no ac or power steering, makes my life so easy for my turbo build haha :P
8:55 you should be careful cutting the support of yous fans :p
Love this broke and boosted series! Subscribed
also apropriatley sozed intercoolers with give you far less pressure drop due to the interior volume of the intercooler. cant wait to see some dyno results from ur build
Good Job on that!
Please never stop making videos...
if the turbo intake is say 2 inches and can only flow "X amount" of air is it still worth it to have the intercooler pipe larger, as the air will condense after passing through?
Hey Greg, can you do the COP install video for standart ecu and ms2?
I wonder if heating plastic pipe, balloon it with air pressure, then flatten an shape to better snake through tight spots. Thinking of it as same air flow capable just friendlier dimensions. Eample, 2 1/2 inch pipe formed to 1/2 inch by 6 inch wide (guessing) to sweep over radiator under hood then forms back to the 2 1/2. Point of this question is can the pipe dimensions be altered to equal or greater and still have same result?
Hello! Excellent video ... I would like to know what dimensions has that intercooler?
YAY!! Thank You.
What down pipe did you use? Do I need one specific for each individual turbo?
I will have a citroen c2 with a 1.4 turbo diesel and it does not have an intercooler, do you think I should fit one as a first mod? (it makes 1,1 bar of boost)
I don't know if someone asked this question already but what about Smog, will it pass it or not when you turbo the Miata.
broke and boosted make me laugh and cry in the same time because i'm in same situation :))
I still dont see how you only have 18k subs :/ you should be at least need to be @ 180k!!
+Coda5610 Agreed. Best car channel in youtube right now.
+yossi126 agreed
+Coda5610 For real! It's so informational and straightforward
Haha I said this exact thing a few months back and it's happening he's already doubled in size from 9k!
+patrick valentine I used to say weekly videos, months ago. Until I realized it's not possible yet to do one every single week. When I skip a week I try my best to do 2 the next week; sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I refuse to upload sub-par (to my standard) content just to get more videos up or get more subscribers.
Ohh man i remember cutting my IC pipes, but i made a bead roller out of a pair of old vise grips !! just had to use a grinder to grind out a notch on the top half of the teeth of it and then weld a little bead on the bottom half and when you clamp it on the welded bead on the vise grip pushes into the notch you cut in the top half and creates actually a pretty decent bead roll. And it didn't cost me a dime !
One recommendation when mountain bov's is preferably you want it closest to the throttle body ( like how Car Passion did ) because that is the first point where surge begins. So the closest you can get the bov to the throttle body the less likely you are to experience surge at the compressor wheel.
+Review Guy Haha genius idea on the bead roller.
+TheCarPassionChannel thanks !
I don't even have a driver's license but I love to see how it's done.
@TheCarPassionChannel - Have you seen a driverside fender route for the 2.5" piping, if so what are your thoughts? PITA? can you keep the Fender liners?
Love your STREET CRED!
+Troy Sebo Yeah I've seen it, I just didn't want to hack any holes in the car. On part 2 of this video, I have a slight revision for the piping routing.
Quality keeps getting better. Great use of inexpensive parts. Since we are in the southwest where temps are often 90's (or in my case 110-120's) and intercooler really is mandatory. I am seriously considering doing an air to water setup for mine. I have had good luck with A/W setups back in my RSW days.
+NickelNDiminIt Yeah you definitely want an IC if your temps are 90+... It makes a ridiculous difference in air intake temps.
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Do you think an air to water charge cooler would fit? Most are ~4" deep and vary in width and height. But I think a 4"x4" charge cooler could be fit with slim electric fans. That would shorten the plumbing runs a LOT and maybe preserve throttle response? What do you think?
NickelNDiminIt I've always thought about a water-to-air unit. Air-to-air is just so simple, no water lines or anything external to worry about.
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I have been an engineer too long, lol. I fixed the miata cupholder buy building an entirely custom console from scratch. I'm not very good at simple. :)
NickelNDiminIt I know others of your type, lol. The ATW intercooler is actually seeming like a really good idea now that I think about the fact that you would free up so much airflow to the radiator... got me thinking now!
might be an idea to stick within your budget and make a home brew water sprayer to cool the charged air :P
Can you get some footage of what the inside of the intercooler looks like? I'm curious how the CX Racing fins are organized on the inside, their ads don't show this.
May I know if the 19"x16" is the core size or includes both inlet and outlets?
Hey man I've noticed throughout your videos you have some serious lifter tick. there's an easy fix for this. next time you change your oil put some dex 3 in there and the ratio is simple. here's an example approx 3 quarts of oil in the miata put 2 quarts of oil and 1 quart of dex 3. another thing that is just absolutely amazing to run in your miata is Rotella T6 oil. I've owned quite a few miatas and run them all with that na and boosted all year around and I live in Ohio so it can get cold here and it keeps the engine clean and running amazing.
thoughts on the cx racing diy kits? i read that there turbo kits are not so great, but haven't read anything on their inter-coolers. On one of your videos you had a cs racing inter cooler. so what are your thoughts?
+Classified Recon I would totally run their intercooler kit. IC's and piping are so simple they're hard to mess up, plus it's not like they're exposed to a lot of heat like a manifold.
I was wondering if most of the parts youve used will work on a 1.8 obviously with some variations on where the engines are differnet but is size and fitmit will most things fit?
Yeah turbocharging the 1.8 and 1.6 are almost identical. The main differences are the manifold and oil feed line.
what do i do with the hose next to the throttle body if i dont have stock ecu ?
when i put my hand over it while running it kills the car
Perfect broke video for me😊😊
How should I route the vacuum line for the iscv? I have an ms3, would you block off the line, make a bung? I can't find any other info, thanks
Bigger piping is also more volume to have to compress and can increase lag, if it's big enough, not going to be an issue with that cute little cooler but with something like my RB25 running 600 x 300 x 80 intercooler large piping can start to cause an issue.
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Greg, what do you think about Watercooled Intercoolers on a setup with a GT 2560R: Worth the effort or waste of time and money?
Can you recommend a special one?
+Bla Blupp From what I know about them, they are super efficient and can save space, but they're more complicated and more expensive since you have to have a separate water pump and lines, etc. In my opinion it's best to just go with the good old air to air intercooler with the Miata.
recently sold my NA but im coming back to the country and i want to buy another NA but good ones are hard to find so im thinking about getting an NB.. do u know of a channel like yours but works on NB's instead?
btw love your channel
+s Haha not really sure of another channel like mine for NB's, but quite a bit of what I cover will work for NB's as well. OR at least serve as a good guideline.
PLEASE HELP!
that big hose on the throttle body what do i do with it if i have a adaptations ecu and a map sensor to go with it ?
do i still tap it in ?
cause if i cover the hole up while the car is one it kills the motor but no problems with the build just dont know what to do? PLEASE help
So what coupler would fit the throttle body ? A 2,2.25, or 2.5 ?
If i have a standalone ECU dont i need to connect the pipe from the IAC to the intercooler?
Hey Greg, does the length of 19" include the end tanks or just the core? Thanks man.
+Cory B I'm fairly certain when you see the size details online they are talking about the core only.
Could you possibly link the items you used for this? I am pricing a turbo build and I can't find a kit that has all of the piping you used.
hey im doing my miata project and im boosting it and i was wondering if i really needed a newer miata lsd. i have the older lsd (viscous) or whatever its called. im always hearing how i will really need a newer one but they are really expensive. and i was thinking of just welding my diff to make it a little bit stronger but i really need your thoughts on this. I'm not sure if you are running newer miata lsd's
+Johnny Quinones Most people say if you get up to the 200whp level, you need to upgrade to the 94+ diff. I have a 2002 Torsen in mine, 3.9.
Funny outtakes, Greg!😂 Did you see the Turbo Miata build at the Carthrottle- Channel?
+Fuelfoxx I'll have to check it out
hey greg, B&B is using stock injectors with the rising rate fuel reg correct?
+Nick Racicot Yep
hey man quick question if you're not going to run and ECU how are you going to prevent the mass air flow sensor from sensing boost... I might be a bit confused on this topic
+luis moreno I don't really have to worry about the AFM, I think it pretty much maxes out and then you control the fueling with rising fuel pressure in boost. You do need to trick the o2 sensor though, it needs to shut off as soon as it goes into boost. I'll cover that!
greg if one were to do this build identical and not run an intercooler, and that person were to track day their car at autocross events...would we be adding too much stress to the motor or anything? or just be running too rich? or be fine with no intercooler?
You just want to keep the boost low and the ignition conservative. Even at 5psi, the intake temps can get pretty high. Too much boost + no intercooler = detonation.
you really should leave more of a gap between two peices of pipe connected by a silicone joiner. They need space to move about and flex and it also prevents the ends of the pipe from grinding against each other
I know that it's going to be a low boost build but are you going to do any sort of oil catch can?
+Kykle Nah I don't even have one on my 250whp car. I will set on up when I swap the head in a few weeks though. On a lower power build I'd just recommend a 323 GTX PCV valve from Fab9Tuning.
as Regular car reviews would say "air goes in one turbo and air goes in another turbo and makes BIGGER AIRRRR"
Wow!!! You are using the stock air box on this turbo build??? I'm getting really curious on what ECU and tuning method you are going to use. This is some great stuff.
+boaz ovilma Stock AFM, but not the stock airbox. It's my first time tuning thing was so it will be a learning experience.
What is the best size of the silicone hose for the intake monifold
I have a question here and I would like opinions on my topic... I have a 90 miata fully stock besides coilovers and clutch, I drive 74 miles a day 5days a week for work, would it be a bad idea to run boosted? I was already adding everything to my cart and thought I would get opinions first before setting an order for everything. thank you in advance!
+Fabio Henriques A boosted Miata can be just as reliable AND get the same mpg as a stock Miata, when built correctly. When you're just cruising on the freeway and in the city, you'll barely even notice the turbo is there, and there is no extra strain on the engine. I'd recommend sticking around the 200whp range for maximum longevity (and even at that power level you will want to upgrade to a 1.8L diff).
how did you get your tire and wheel combo to work with your fenders without flares.... after reading through all the forums, they make it seem like its impossible, im about to order some 15x8 et0 but scared it wont work
+Colman Au Bmx Media 15x8 +0 are more aggressive than my 15x9 +16 setup. I used to run with 15x8 +0, if you want to run a 205/50R15 get ready to spend an entire day on fender work.
aha, i was going for 195/50/r15 , but yea, ill be ready aha
Where did you get your couplers? Those things are expensive and I'm looking for some cheap(er) silicon ones.
90% of them from an Ebay kit that was around $80 for all the piping, couplers, and clamps. Some individual ones can be found on Ebay for pretty cheap, and if you need a specialty sized one hit up siliconeintakes dot com.
So if you are running a megasquirt you can just straight up delete the afm and the idle speed control valve?
+AMC Casares Yes. Highly recommend deleting the AFM, but if you delete the ISCV and AV the idle is harder to tune, especially on cold start.
where did you get the BOV & piping?
Hey Greg! How is the Freddy Blow-Off Valve working with Broke and Boosted? Are you happy with its operation?
I ended up not using it, it leaked so bad right out of the box. I talked about it in ep14 I think. No problems thus far running no BOV though.
Hey Man! When is episode 8 coming???? Keep It Up!
Do you have the bolt sizes/thread types by any chance? Mine didn't come with bolts, and I would feel silly walking around the hardware store with an intercooler under my arm!
+Phillip Glass-Hess (Wingman703) LOL before I read your comment I was going to recommend just bringing the IC to the hardware store. Don't feel silly haha. They're probably M5 or M6 bolts.
how if na car install front mount ?? is there any bad effect for engine ?
Is it possible to run 3" piping? Thanks.
Can you put a link or brand for all the parts you are using? Thanks, I love the videos by the way!
+mason soileau Thanks! For the piping and BOV, you literally just search ebay for "intercooler piping" or "blow off valve" and you'll see the exact parts I'm using in the first couple pages.
hey question that fitting you use is the exact size you needed for the hose because Ima about to order one but not sure . ALSO WHERE DO YOU ORDER YOUR FITTINGS FROM STILL LOOKING FOR THE ONE FOR THE OIL PAN PLEASE LET ME KNOW THANKS
+Anthony Diaz I get pretty much all of the fittings from eBay and Amazon. What's your first question again?
+TheCarPassionChannel my question is the fitting you used for the intercooler next to the throttle body where did you get it from . Also where did you get the one for the oil pan to been looking for it can't find if you really want can you please email me the links of each fitting I only need this for my turbo set up my email is diazanthony300ex@gmail.com please email me them thanks
So glad I don’t have power steering. In fact why did Mazda bother with PS especially on the earlier models?
I thought the blow off valve also determined the boost level, like if you have a 10psi spring the bov would open the valve to release some boost if it exceeds that. If thats not the case how do you control boost? sorry if this is a stupid question.
+mason soileau No such thing as a stupid question, people get that confused all the time. The boost level is actually controlled by the wastegate inside the exhaust housing of the turbocharger. When the boost gets to a certain level, the gate opens up and lets the extra exhaust gasses around the turbine wheel so it doesn't spin too fast. The blow off valve is designed to release the extra boost pressure from the intake piping when you let off the throttle and it has nowhere to go (you don't want it to get forced back into the turbocharger). If you check out Ep. 4.1: Internal Wastegate Porting it might give you a better understanding of how the wastegate works.
thanks for the awesome explanation im gona go watch 4.1! i got my first miata to get good gas mileage for college and i am so in love with it.
What size intercooler are you running on your fast miata?
27x7.5x2.5
When you disconnected the power steering and AC was that permanent? or did you reconnect them after you fit the Intercooler pipes?
+Ethan Griffeth Music I didn't disconnect anything with the p/s or a/c here. What time in the video? maybe I can clear it up.
+TheCarPassionChannel 8:32, I get it now you just moved the p/c feed line out of the way to fit the piping. Cleared it up thanks
Does it matter where the blow off valve goes as I want to keep mine on turbo side of inter-cooler?
+OMGWTFFYA On my other car I run it on the turbo side, can't really say I've had any problems related to it.
the best video help soooooooooooooooooo much like foreal thanks
quick question how much psi do you think would be safe to run in a stock internal civic with no tune?
Clint Christensen keep it between 5-10 psi. Then up it after ECU change or Pro-Formance chip
what piping kit did you use?
LOL +1 on the Black Widows!