2020 S1000XR Stalling Issue Revisited - Motorcycling News
Vložit
- čas přidán 3. 04. 2021
- Updating the 2020 S1000XR stalling issue and covering the top motorcycling news
Link to stalling video (don't mind the poor editing...I was brand new) - • 2020 BMW S1000 XR Keep... - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Great vid 😎🤙🏼
Appreciate the support!
Thanks for sharing 👍
Thanks for watching
Mine just started stalling, but only a few times so far. Weather has been cool so hopefully a software update solves the issue. Getting new calipers and latest software update (v22_07_20) on Tuesday so fingers crossed.
I'd chuckle at the Ducati news but since I've already had my bike in the shop for almost 3 months on warranty work, it's more of a sympathetic murmur.
Man...I laughed pretty hard reading the "sympathetic murmur." I would be devastated if I bought that MTS and had to have my engine replaced. What a nightmare in so many ways. I know the stalling issue is a relatively easy fix...the harder part is getting the dealer to replicate so they can go about the flashing and addressing the ECU/mapping. Time will tell.
i had the same issue. Seems to be ok now, but will be curious to see if it comes back with warmer weather. Quick post about the TFT updates. I remember a thread on this. I recently had the TFT's updated on my R1250R and my S1000XR. Big difference. On the R1250R, i know see the sport menu screen and display. despite being led to believe you only get that on the Rally color HP bikes. Second, the bluetooth issues have disappeared. Much more stable now. It might also be because i swtiched from Sena to Cardo. Cardo has a better bluetooth stack apparently. Lastly, my dealer here in the US said that BMW advised them to do the updates for free if customers complain...
Very interesting. I will be down there this summer as soon as it starts happening and send "fresh" footage. Whether they can "replicate" the problem or not I will be more forward in requiring a solution as it shouldn't be happening.
My buddy has had his new Multi V4 in the shop for 2 weeks now waiting for the dealer to fit the new engine. Ducati already shipped the new motor to the dealer before he knew his bike had been affected. Ducati are handling this quite well but it does all come down to the dealer and their ability to get the job done quickly. In the meantime, they have given him back the 2019 GSA he traded for the new Multi as a loaner. They are the only Ducati dealer in the ATL area (consequently, we only have 1 BMW dealer in the ATL area as well. It's a sad state of affairs in ATL if you want some warranty work done on your euro bike) which is probably one of the causes to how long it's taking.
He's got about 7,500 miles on his bike and no whiff of an issue but good they've addressed it quickly.
I'm considering trading my GS for either another Multi (would be the 2nd I've owned) or an XR. 2 buddies have the new XR and love it. But it is an only bike for me so I've got to consider if it's a good enough tourer. I've ridden a new for a little bit and it was fun for that short period. I haven't seen any good videos in English comparing the new Multi to the new XR.
Good to see the sun shining again !! MotoGP was brilliant, and if I was a Multistrada owner I’d be gutted !! Ride safe
Agreed on all fronts. I can't imagine having purchased one of those bikes!
Instablaster...
You're a mellow dude. I'm so high strung with a short fuse. If I had a 2020 BMW that randomly stalled. I'd flip my lid, torch the bike and bad mouth BMW for the rest of my life. That's absolutely unacceptable and they should all be recalled instantly and fixed.
Yeah...Hasn't impacted me too much and went away quickly enough but if it does in fact resurface as I suspect it will in the summer I am going to ensure that it gets addressed and see about having BMW get at a minimum a TSB together for dealers to address.
I have 2021 BMW S1000XR and had the same issue. Took it to the Dealer for its service and after they updated all the software it seems to have corrected the problem.
Getting that sun over here now. Might be out on the bike this afternoon.
It is amazing what some sunshine and riding will do to one's mood!
I have a red 2020 S 1000 XR and I’m having the same stalling issues. I have brought it into BMW three times now and contacted corporate. I am out here in California on the West Coast and it gets a little bit hotter here and I just had three more stalls last week on the freeway in the intermittent traffic. Any update on the stalling?
I reside in Cape Town, thanks for sharing this, I got my S1000 XR 2020 in December, I had this engine cut off 2x as you describe in your early video, in Jan/Feb it hasn’t happened since, I hope it gone even though I know it wasn’t fixed so wishful thinking. Am taking a footage in today my TFT keeps rebooting randomly while riding, not as big as engine stalling though but irritating as I love my music uninterrupted.
Wow...I haven't come across this one at all but that does sound like a proper pain. Do you have the latest software version loaded?
Yes! It’s been a great annoying thing, I took it in 2 times, last time they had it for 3 days. I am now waiting for a feedback after I left them with footage. It’s a pity as this bike is the best for me, the longer it takes to resolve this issue the more negativity it creates for me on BMW brand. On a different topic, I appreciate your videos, they are not the same as other guys too so thank you and keep well and safe bro.
@@lefuntho1252 Really appreciate the feedback. I hear you on that leaving a bad taste in your mouth so to speak when it comes to BMW. Hoping they get that sorted real soon!
Great news, BMW is has taken a step to replace my TFT display, Hopefully this will eliminate the random rebooting.
Did bmw ever diagnose the stalling issue as mine has just done it 5 times over the last 2 rides in exactly the same manner as yours,so its obviously an issue which needs addressing
TFP.....good question if the weather will bring back the stalling issue. Last time I brought my bike in they re-mapped the ecu and it hasn't happened since. Let's see what happens when it 90 degrees. On another note, have you ever heard a clunking sound from the rear end when going over bumps? My chain is within spec but when I hit some bumps or do a 90 degree turn there is some kind of clunking sound...others have heard the same thing but no resolution. Definitely glad MotoGP is back!!!!
I am really interested in seeing how it performs when it gets hot again...I suspect it will start up and I will get it down and have it addressed. I know I could get it tuned but not sure I want to go that route and owners shouldn't have to on any bike, especially ones that cost this much. I haven't heard any clunking sound but the chains on these bikes are absolute crap. Mine was so far off after about 600 miles it was sad. Is your center stand tight? Assuming yes...if yes do you have a top case of any kind? Some times if there is stuff in there I think I hear the load shift (not the actual stuff in the case but the case itself) as it is set up to move with the bike. The whole plate moves. Got to love MotoGP!
@@ThrottleBackRubberDown I've also heard the stock chains are no good and require constant checking...I've tried pushing the center stand down with my heal while moving but it doesn't sound the same. No top case yet. I thought the chain might be hitting the center stand but there are no wear marks. Very strange. Some kind of chain slap. Getting a new chain may come sooner than later.
@@789peoples Yeah...I had this issue on my MTS and I chalked it up to chain slap...I figure with the crap chain on the S1000XR that would be were my suspicions were directed
Kind of sad that you spent big money for the bike and have to deal with the nuisance of stalling!🤦 Hope that it is just during the "break-in period"!
Totally agree. If it resurfaces, I am going to get a decent loaner and make sure it is addressed properly.
Look like BMW would find out why bike stallings if it happening on others too
For sure...Going to make sure this happens if my issue resurfaces. I have a great dealer and will work with them and BMW to get something done.
So if the problem continues, I think the best way is to try to flash the latest firmware to your XR. It is free in terms of costs, but takes a lot of time, like 3-4 hours on dealership. Perhaps there is already a new firmware availible that can solve that issue.
I believe that is the route that I will end up following first and then I will do a Brentune if need be assuming the issue resurfaces and lingers.
My stalling issue never went away, I found it would occur after coasting on decel for some distance before pulling the clutch lever, regardless of what gear I was in. It would happen in 6th gear when slowing from 100kmh or even 3rd gear from 40kmh. My resolution for the issue is to not downshift using the clutch on decel.
Yeah...I can definitely work around it and still love the bike...no regrets...but they need to get it sorted. Happening to too many folks. I am going to work with my dealer this summer if it comes up and see about having BMW get a TSB together. They should address for sure.
Yep I noticed it doesn't happen on mine when using the shifter to down shift (no clutch) I have also had it happen in winter in Australia roughly 10 degrees Celsius..
I have to say if I was one of those Ducati owners I’d want a brand new machine. Not one that’s on its second engine. Not a good thing when you come to sell it and the prospective new owner finds out it’s not the original engine in it.
Absolutely...there are so many potential issues and headaches aside from the ones that are very real due to the recall. I would be devastated if I bought one of those and this happened.
The other thing i'm going to do if update the ECU with my Brentune kit i just received. Folks rave about it. It basically gets rid of all the terrible stuff EU emission standards do to the engine. i'll report back...
I am interested in going this route potentially but don't want to feel like I was required to...don't know if that makes any sense. I am really interested in how it turns out for you and would love to reach out to you directly based on your experience some time later potentially. Cheers.
@@ThrottleBackRubberDown I'll let you know as soon as I have done it. Folks on the S1000XR Gen2 Facebook group all rave about how transformational it has been for their XR's
Ok, so I did the stage 1 Brentune. Totally worth it! And easy to do. Worth every cent. The bike runs like it should have run from the factory before all the emissions rules effective castrated it :-) It feels like a different bike. Yes, its a still a revy inline 4, but so much more manageable as a daily rider. Have had a stalling issue yet, but we shall see.
As I already mentioned in your previous video, but I have never ever had this stalling issue on my S1000XR model 2020, not even when we had temperatures well in excess of 30°C here in Belgium of summer 2020.
Could there be a fuel purity issue instead, i.e. some sort of dirt in the fuel or even too much water in the fuel?
Under normal circumstances this water in the fuel poses no problem.
Lane filtering or lane splitting during traffic jams is perfectly legal here in Belgium.
The rules are simple, only the space between the leftmost lane and the one to its right must be used, maximum speed is 50 km/h, the difference in speed to the other vehicles should not be more than 20 km/h and the hazards must be turned on.
Unfortunately some bikers are going very much faster than 50 km/h in between those two lanes, but not yours truly.
Great info on the filtering. I don't think there is a fuel purity issue based on the scope of the problem being reported by others. I think for sure they need to reflash the ECUs on these bikes that are having the issue. When all is said and done if my issue resurfaces I will be working with the dealer and BMW North America to get a TSB for dealers on the issue. If for some reason they can't sort I will order a Brentune. Appreicate the info and support!
@@ThrottleBackRubberDown This stalling issue seems to occur only in North America, and that is why I thought of an external influence to the bike, like a possible fuel problem.
Do you add anything to the fuel that you fill into the tank of your BMW?
@@marcos.1771 Negative...The bike gets a steady diet of 93 Octane. The summer blended fuels usually has something like 10% ethanol in the states so there could be something to that but my money is still on a tuning/mapping correcting the issue once and for all.
@@ThrottleBackRubberDown 93 octane fuel is by far not enough for the S1000XR. It needs 98 octane gasoline, but could also run on 95 octane, if 98 is not available.
@@marcos.1771 Well keep in mind the difference of octane ratings from Europe to the US. Pasted a quick explanation below
In Europe the rating on the pump is simply the RON figure. America, by contrast, uses the average of the RON and the MON figures, called the AKI (anti-knock index). Thus, 97 “super unleaded” in Britain is roughly equivalent to 91 premium in the United States.
Ducati motors built in Japan?? LOL Sounds bizarre! Seems odd that Ducati would replace the entire motor if the trouble was isolated to the valve train? Thinking it HAS to be more than just the heads....Or maybe they just dont want anyone even SEEING the defects??
225 MPH is rediculeslly fast for any vehicle on the ground.
Aye. Crazy fast be it a car or bike...but on a bike...wow, scary fast!
I cant imagine any legitimate top speed over 175ish? Okay MAYBE 200 but that is IT! (really EVEN on racetracks how fast should they be even be ALLOWED to go??) I mean on on two wheels? Seriously Only justification for going insanely fast if you ask me? Would have to involve life and death...like either escaping where going insanely fast was my only hope? OR (LOL) if I was electing to use my motorcycle to exit this world....220mph into a concrete bridge abutment woud be a pretty classy exit if one has untreatable advanced cancer.for example ..hopefully such a one would set up a few go pros to record it all....and make sure loved ones got the video with instruction "milk this for all the $ you possibly CAN! Since it was my final work of art and a wonderful motorcycle utterly DESTROYED I DO want EVERYONE that wishes to see it! Also instruct them to have an entirely separate video made documenting the damage to the motorcycle ....prolly be a bit messy with blood/guts so not sure how that might work out lol
stage 1 brentune it bam problem solved
I have seriously considered this but don't feel like spending the money...something about this being a stock issue and it shouldn't be happening. I am curious to see if it returns. If so, I am going to get BMW to address the ECU and take a rental for the day. If I get that far and there is still an issue then Brentune it will be!
@@ThrottleBackRubberDown fueling on mine was definitely kind of wonky especially low rpms. never had the stalling issue though but then again it might be temperature related? stage 1 was a massive difference you can tell when it idles how much better it is. runs way better and actually pulls below 6500 rpm lol. now im on stage 2 with headers / iat / flapper delete and on dynamic mode its a legit race bike. pulls extremely hard all through the powerband. it runs super healthy and i think the iat relocation has a lot to do with it. bikes are heavily restricted from euro 5 emissions. read my review on s1000xr gen 2 facebook page
Not good about the stalling issue as that could be many things from mapping through to idle servo so good luck tracking it. Here BMW are not interested in dealing with problems on there newer bikes to the point sales are dropping like a stone.
I would be very interested knowing where you got this information?
@@marcos.1771 I got it from chatting to my local dealership as they are getting more and more service work on them bikes
@@rolandkeith5322 Service because of recalls?
Strange enough those recalls concern North America only, although all BMW motorbikes are manufactured in Berlin, Germany.
My S1000XR model 2020 (bought in Belgium) has not been recalled for service yet.
I think it is definitely a mapping issue and is actually pretty easy to solve based on what it is doing but if it resurfaces I am going to be working through the dealer and BMW of North America to get a TSB to dealers.
@@ThrottleBackRubberDown If it is mapping then it might be easy if the EUC is re-mappable however many factory ECU's have very limited adjustment parameters to alter. Either way what a pain in the ass