Are You Making This Reverb Mistake? | PreSonus
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- čas přidán 14. 07. 2024
- Reverb can be great tool to add depth to your audio tracks, but it can also cause problems and cloud up your mix. While there's never a "right" or "wrong" way to use reverb, learning a few tips can help keep your mixes sounding clean.
In this brief tutorial, Joe Gilder shares his take on getting better sounding reverb.
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A low cut option on the plug-in itself would be a nice addition.
Agreed. That's How Lexicon won the market back in the day.
Like almost every other reverb on the market!
In studio one + or whatever it’s called, there’s another reverb plugin that has a low cut. I don’t remember what it’s called tho lol
@@thehappybaptist5468 Mixverb. Though, it's not nearly as versatile as the Room Reverb.
@@gregshmkr bless
I noticed the raw reverb had some dynamics issues too as well as the boominess. I always add EQ and compression to my reverb track and it cleans up very nicely. Thanks for validating me Joe!
Did you ever noticed the Population parameter?
Great suggestion. I did this for a live setup, and 𝙞𝙢𝙢𝙚𝙙𝙞𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙡𝙮 cleaned up the guitars and vocals. This gives them more definition, less muddiness, and a much more pleasant listening experience for an audience. Plus, it has the added benefit of being easier to hear the instruments for a vocalist singing. Additionally, it reduces the added muddiness of room reflections that can kill the clarity of a mix where there are hard floors, walls and odd bounce backs. Thanks.
As always, great tips and coaching Joe!
Hope this helps!
Joe, I am extremely grateful to you. I know this is your job, but you deserve gratitude anyway. thank you.
awesome info. thank you so much. this method of eq in the verb channel makes a big difference in my mixes.
Old but gold! I'm using this trick for a while it's in some moments best solution! Also thank you for your time and effort.
Great advice, Joe! This is something I learned from one of your great courses - either the recording or mixing course.
This is a great way to mix, i do it all the time. but i enjoy watching joe teach! i still learn a lot. Thanks JOE
Even though I know this… Sometimes in the heat of creating and mixing, I forget. Thanks for this important reminder Joe. Saved to my list. ✌️
It's easy to forget things in the moment! Hope this helps as a reminder!
Agreed. There's only a few "always" things I do when mixing. Sending the reverb and delay to their own channel is one. There's more control over the effect, and you're now open to send other channels into that reverb.
I will EQ the reverb much like this as well. I also pseudo automate my reverb with a sidechain compressor.
Mind Blown, period! I had zero idea that this was even a thing. Thanks Joe. God Bless
Just what I was needing, Joe. Thanks.
We hope it helps clean up your mixes!
Thanks again Joe!
THANK YOU JOE!
Great tip, will try that.....
Great advice! I need to go check all my templates and make sure I'm doing this consistently.
Another thing to mention regarding reverbs on sends vs tracks is that it's far less CPU intensive to have 3 or 4 reverb sends than a reverb plugin on every single channel.
That's a pro tip! Do you have a favorite reverb setting you use most often?
It's always really great to put major effects on busses like this so you can experiment with other effects on the bus to create a really unique sound to your reverb/delay. One of my personal favourite things to do is remove prominent frequencies using a VST like Soothe and cutting out the lows and mids on a reverb to just get reverb on the breath. You should try it out.
In the music I mix, that big bottom end is critical to a good mix: think of an organ or ensemble (double bass, tuba) in a cathedral - in that environment, not only does the sound bloom, but the bass end of the spectrum cascades longer. Think of a space with the organ in the triforium (high above), the brass ensemble near the back wall of the chancel, and an antiphonal choir left, right, and forward of those instruments (but still inboard of the organ; that area raised a few steps above the pavement). To add another ring to this circus, the string ensemble is often on the pavement (floor level) forward of the choir. These would be normal deployment in a 'typical' long aisle space of this kind.
I would like to see a series on mixing for classical instruments and in creating the ideal (and realistic) audition spaces - concert hall, recital hall, and my use case, cathedral or large church. Many of use are using a mishmash of libraries, and insights there would be helpful too - especially as it would be preferable to use one reverb environment for the entire kit, not the separate ones that come with each library.
This is a very good video. Thank you so much really good one of my favorites.❤
Great sounding reverb.
Awesome Joe, Thank you!
Joe...
Sweet - Been doing this both live and in studio for years...
By removing that low end of the reverb we allow the shimmer to appear without the "rumble" that appears
This is really beneficial in live work - where you are often fighting room reflections.
Thanks for showing others this "trick" - :)
Thank you, useful tips
Thanks Joe
Hope this helps!
Parallel processing with spliter on a track realy helps)))
That's very good, maybe that's why my solo guitars sound strange in my car! As I go for solo guitar I will try to let enough low end to have it sound rich but without that distortion.
Excellent video
in addition, put a imager plugin on reverb channel and space it apart carving space for the main guitar channel giving it a more fuller and wider sound
Tag teaming with Joe, I've recently learned the trick of putting the EQ between the primary signal and the reverb, so those low frequencies never even get there. The difference between the two sounds is subtle but notable.
I am a big Studio One fan but use a lot of 3rd party plugins because the stock ones lack the basic functions that other plugins have. Some suggestions for stock plugin improvements are; low and high cut EQ filters on all Reverb and Delay plugins, mid/side option on the ProEQ plugin.
We always appreciate hearing feedback! We'd love for you to submit feature requests on answers.presonus.com
Nice tip, only thing I'd add is that if the song section doesn't have many instruments competing (for example if there's no bass or drums yet), it can be nice to have the more full reverb sound
Great lesson.
You should mention the Abbey Road reverb trick used on Beatles and other albums.
Basically, hi pass AND low pass the reverb return. Cuts mud and harshness together 😊
Absolutely! Love that technique. Do you use it often?
@@presonus yes all the time, for the “build up” reasons you noted.
What’s good for The Beatles is GREAT for me 😊
nice one, joe. got a damn good idea for you guys: in the "files" tab - which should be used to feed samples and prelisten (like a sample browser) - a small waveform to click into would be a BOMB - on top of that a "autoplay" button would be the second killer feature :P i thank you and maybe lots of other guys will thank you and me if that happens. i got 25 years cubase on the back and DAMN - is S1 a good DAW. keep it up - keep it good - rock on! (thumbs up on this comment if you want this too)
Great ❤
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You also could've used the channel spillter tool in frequency mode to send only the frequency content you want to a reverb. I always use reverbs on sends though. I think the splitter tool is highly underrated and I WISH Presonus would make the controls in the splitter tool midi mappable!
Same here. Love the splitter. Not only for only sending the wanted freq to a send but also for mid/side stuff. But I always wonder if this could have more features though I am unsure which specifically
@@binarysun_ Being able to map the controls to midi for splitter channel mutes, volumes, frequency balance and so on would be HUGE. Being able to bypass a split chain (with a mappable control) would be great. Being able to route audio through sidechaining inside the same channel would also be awesome.
While we're at it, make the channel macro controls (buttons for instance) be able to be mapped to more than one parameter and then give us polarity control for each parameter if a control is mapped (one button push turns on one parameter and turns off the other for instance).
I've been trying to create a comprehensive guitar rig setup (NAM with other plugins) and a lot of the issues I'm running into could be fixed with these changes.
Sometimes I also cut some of the highs if the attacks are too accentuated. I believe that's an old Abbey Road trick.
YES! That's correct! What do you typically find yourself using that method on?
@@presonus mostly vocals! Also piano, guitars.
You can also automate reverb more effectively when its separate. Instant better production and more interesting sounding songs
Pure GOLD!! I was literally just hours away from uploading a song for release when I saw this vid listed on the Studio One news feed. I'd long ago accepted that I'll never get a decent reverb on my virtual guitars without compromising the integrity of the raw sound, and reluctantly had learnt to live with muddy guitars. But now....WOAH YEAH BABY!! My guitars suddenly sound twice as loud without actually being any louder! Like some wierd compression trick or something. And now my song sounds like it's just been given a shot of adrenaline in both arms! Look out world, I'm about to release a MONSTER!!!
Joe have you tested the new Studio Monitors from Presonus?
Just a quick question - I have started to do Reverb as described in this video (not just for the improvement in sound - though my ears are still learning this stuff - but also from an organisation POV). My query is if the same error and fix as per this video are applicable to Chorus and Flanger effects - if this is applicable perhaps there could be a video dealing with them as well?
Hi Joe -- great video. One question though: I think I saw you put the EQ after the verb. Is it best there or what if we remove the low end before the EQ? Wouldn't that clean up the signal more efficiently? Or will the verb just add low-end artifacts even though the input signal was high-passed?
It makes no difference at all, unless you add some non-linear processing in there too, like compression or saturation.
When you add two linear processes, it's like X + Y = Y + X. Mathematically, they're commutative, but that's probably more information than you wanted.
@presonus Audio Electronics #Joe Gilder I am just curious here. Sometimes I've read in groups that they like to print the reverb, delays etc onto another track and leave vocals or guitar dry. 1st question...
If you can do that How?
2nd question....
Why would you do that?
Thanks for entertainimg my questions!
Great content as always
So EQ the reverb gotcha. I need to adjust my mix . Does that work on Mix Effects as well??
One noob question. When going this way, at what moment of your effect channel do you apply the reverb? For example I have a voice bus channel. In this bus I have some eq, deesser, limit, compress, echo, disto, reverb, delay, multiband eq
How do I do with the send method to apply the reverb at the right moment in the channel?
How do you get a Plate reverb with stock plugins in presonus?
Room Reverb has a plate (Joe demonstrates it)
Wow! Again.
PLEASE: add a low pass filter to fat channel
There is
@@rubenn7212 where my friend?
@@marsrivers I just looked and there is not realy a low pass filter but you can put the eq unit in the front of the chain and use the eq to cut some of the highs out.
A straight low pass filter would be nice on fat channel with different slopes
@@mixprofmix fat channel is an amazing tool. If they add that low pass filter next to the high pass one would be completed