Olympiacos’ Rise, Ataman For Coach Of The Year & Did Zvezda Lose On Purpose? | URBONUS
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- Join URBONUS hosts Donatas Urbonas, Augustas Suliauskas & Gytis Blazevicius as they discuss the latest EuroLeague regular season action, including Olympiacos’ rise, Ergin Ataman’s Coach of the Year candidacy, conspiracy over the Crvena Zvezda loss, Play-In favorites, and the possibility of Josh Nebo teaming up with Luka Doncic and Slovenia.
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Topics:
- Tough decisions ahead for Olympiacos (0:00);
- First look at Fener vs. Monaco & Olympiacos vs. Barca (11:10);
- Play-In predictions (30:50);
- Is Ergin Ataman Coach of the Year? (46:02);
- Will Paris Basketball thrive in the EuroLeague? (55:14);
- Josh Nebo: Ideal match for Luka Doncic and Slovenia? (59:57).
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Ergin Ataman deserves the coach of the year award. He created a totally new team from zero and made it the second best team of the regular season. Bartzokas is a great coach, but he finished lower than Ataman , and his team is almost the same as the one he had last year.
One more thing. Nobody expected Panathinaikos to make it in the first 4 teams to finish the regular season. I remember your power ranking video.
Give me 40million and i will make you a team like ataman in 1 hour.
@@Keadas1991so bs......you didn't say even the correct amount of budget...Armani should have won 3 trophies according to your point.How old are you?
@@giorgiosmy4080 Its officially like 38,5mllions just 1 million behind REAL.. i am old enough to be your father.
@@Keadas1991so pao gots 20 players with a 2 million contract each.The amount of your stupidity is uncanny.
Your statement "his team is almost the same as the one he had last year" is contested. You seem to downplay the fact that Olympiacos lost two of its most offensively gifted players, Vezenkof and Sloukas. I do not claim that Ataman does not deserve the coach of the year award, but this parameter should not be neglected.
Who knew a GM could win coach of the year!You learn something everyday!
It's clear that there's a misconception about what coaching is.
Coaching isn't just about giving tactics per play; it's about building a winning culture and effectively managing both the team and game dynamics.
Ergin Ataman is an example of this broader understanding of coaching. Both his time in Efes and recent success with Panathinaikos, Ataman doesn't only "recruit the right players"; he build teams that succeed under pressure and adapt to the evolving challenges of European basketball.
For example, did you see the locker room videos of Pana? When Ataman walks in, unity and motivation visibly increase, players startt roaring and cheeering his leadership. His presence and strategic insights inspire confidence and a fighting spirit, crucial in a winning mentality. This isn't just about freedom on the court; it’s about setting clear objectives and ensuring every player is aligned and motivated to achieve them.
In this video, I hear that coaching is defined as improving a play for an individual player. Grigonis was going to be sold before the season started; now he is one of the major players in the starting five and has been offered a big contract. What is improving an individual player if not this?
Coaching involves managing players' egos and expectations. Watch carefully stars like Slukas and Nunn in Pana games; before a play, they look to him for cues, viewing gameplay tactics as guidance, not dictation. He doesn't micromanage every play. These players have big egos and big talent, but he smartly guides the ever-changing dynamics of a game. He undertands individual and team psychology. Ataman knows when to step back and when to step in.
Coaching involves strategically intervening in games when things are not going well. Ataman does this during games, like famous fists in the Efes-Barcelona matchup; he gets technical fauls and confronts the referees, these interventions aren't just for show-they're calculated to influence the game's momentum. He intentionally receives technical fouls to reshuffle the cards and motivate his players. Mind game against Pablo Laso in Efes-Real final in the last minute is also good coaching.
Let's please move beyond the simplistic "leaving the players free" argument, it's time to study, if not recognize, the complexity of what coaches like Ataman do.
He's a coach who's won every major European cup by mastering the art of leadership. Street basketball can not win these cups (a quote from him)
@@sarbelagamemnon my post was sarcastic my friend. it is the hosts (gytis especially) that refuse to give the man his flowers and mockingly call him a manager or a gm. Last time it was because of the huge budget that Panathinaikos is successful even though pao has maybe the 6th largest budget in the league.
I agree with almost everything in your analysis and just to add one point, if only those coaches that micromanage deserve to be called coaches then there are no basketball coaches in the NBA except maybe Popovich and a couple more. All the others should be called managers in that perspective.
Bottom line, the man is super successful. his style works. whatever anyone says, he deserves COTY for the best turnaround in a single season the league has ever seen.
everything else is just noise, clickbait and personal preference or dislike.
good day to you!
@@crocodylusrey8396You're not funny lil bro they're right, ataman is a good recruiter if he has the budget, his coaching is mediocre at best
Fenerbahçe was not playing bad with Itoudis. They lost 7 games in a row with the main parts of the team was injured such as Calathes, Guduric, Pierre and Sanli. At that time the team played 6 games away in a row with the main parts of the team missing.
yeah but I think it was mostly that he lost the control of the changing room a bit, he was not rotating players at all, it really looked like it wasn't going forward.
How to rotate players when there are so many injured ones? 🫤
@@giorgiosmy4080 he didn't rotate when there wasn't injured players as well, did you watch Turkish league games or you're just commenting here?
@@milensinan just commenting here 😎
I really have to find why PAO has so much hate in this podcast
Zero interesting plays, 90% of gameplay is give the ball to nuun and pray to God.
They have zero chance in the playoffs
@@ElliottPianoI can see the other comments that you did about Olympiacos and it’s really stupid that you didn’t hide them… I didn’t hope that you know about basketball as olympiacos fan so your opinion is trash. I don’t even know why you want to go to final4 anymore with so much losses 😂 bye 👋
@@ElliottPianoYou are olympiacos fan your opinion is irrelevant, I hope you reach one more final 4 so we could see you cry again with one more loss 😅
@@Dennisstol_ I hope you'll reach one one day also.
10 years and counting.
I understand why you're crying 😇
@@ElliottPiano when I go I don't lose it, so pray that I don't go this year either, because you won't reach me in the trophies even in a century ☘️
Taking a team that is second to last and in a few months finishing second? There is no doubt about the coach of the year.
There are many teams with huge budget that underperform for years(Armani, Barca, Monaco, Fener, zvezda, efes this year) and many coaches that can't do anything with huge budgets (messina most notably, even Bartzokas in his disastrous seasons with barca and Khimki) so no budget is not the answer.
It's the second time he does this kind of turnaround in just a season after he did it with Efes. Let's give him the respect he deserves
zvezda this year was the first time they reached over 10 mil budget for players salaries. Before they were always below that margin.
He has the budget and everything else he needs by their owners. In the techical game is average. But he has Class players who make the difference.
@@kostasflr what do you mean average by technical game? He builds a team with peaces that link together perfectly, he gives freedom to players who are good decision makers (micic,sloukas) and let the scorers do their thing (Larkin, Nunn). His teams have perfect spacing and play defence above their individual defensive talent. Pablo laso is pretty much like that. And it seems that in the recent years that is the most effective way judging by the results.
The only one that can control the game, make the perfect game plan for every opponent and build a roster is obradovic. Everyone else has something in the game they are not good at. Ataman is not that good at in-game coaching. Saras is too controlling and doesn't give enough freedom to his players. Bartzokas doesn't adjust in the game and sticks to the playing time and formations he decided beforehand. Sasa obradovic can't control his players and in the locker room there is chaos.
This season and some other seasons ataman has done the best work and deserves to be coach of the year
@@kosk442 I want to write it in fewer words. There are some big coaches ( Zeliko , Dusko, Bartzwkas , Maljkovic etc ) in which with few fundings can create great things . And there are those good coaches that shine with huge help of money like Ataman , Itoudis , Blatt . I hope you can understand what I try to say .
@@kostasflrsearch what budget Bartzokas has now … and see the players that olympiacos has when he lost another one Euroleague … Bartzokas maybe is the best final4 loser of all time. Zeliko in PAO has always big budgets, now where is he with small? Bro you say nonsense. Just stop it
Whatever, even if zvezda desired to win they wouldn't be able. Efes much better team .
Howard is instant offense , both sides of the floor.
Hes a major liability on defense , if his shots not falling he is a pure damage to the team , thats why 35% of the games he plays 20 minutes or LESS !
thats why hes not top 5 guards.
Is the Coach of the Year now sold to the highest bidder ? I want to buy myself one
Come on guys last year a team was 17 and this year second and you guys telling Ergin atman is the best manager and who was dominated last 5 years in euroleague manager ataman I really don’t t understand this Ergin atman hate in ur program
Because he is Turkish not in their religion
Ignas can go home. Or return to Zalgiris. And let Evans come to Oly.
Oly needs both Evans and Isaiah.
Shaq is getting old but still gold.
So
Walkup Goss(?) Long
Evans Isaiah Larentzakis
Pap + X/Pitters
Sasha/Petrusev/Pitters
Milu Mus Wright.
A super team.
Some could just play in EL.
Euroleague at this moment is a huge tournament. More players are needed.
Guys .. you are asking if you are Real or PAO which team would they prefer. But ask it the other way round. As Maccabi, which team do you prefer? Heck. Even if you could chose from all other play off teams - as Maccabi, I would chose PAO. Hopefully Maccabi will be extra motivated against Baskonia because against PAO they have a fair chance to progress. Its a good match for Maccabi. Maccabi did the double against PAO in regular season. Also, I hope the Israeli players in Maccabi remember the disgusting behaviour of the Baskonia fans a couple rounds ago. Imagine this Maccabi if they actually had real home games. They'd be top 4 for sure.
4:30 Plus a crazy non call for a foul on mckissik which ended up with 2 points for fener in the fast break
Guys you are not getting the point with Olympiacos. Players want to please Bartzokas and play for the team put back their own pursuits aside. I am pleased to hear you talking about the refs but if I remember correctly inn the previous game fender Olympiacos you said that Olympiacos overreacted about the refs. Mmmm. Objectivity guys....
Olympiacos played every week with different injury problems. Some weeks with no guards some with one big. How is Bartzokas not a shout for coach of the year with 22 wins (2 less than last season)?
Ataman got given a super roster. What has he done that's against the odds? He did what was expected. No one expected Olympiacos to finish in top 6 , except Olympiacos fans that know better
Ti les gamw to kefali soy
Huge disrespect to Ataman. As if we see this happening every year. A totally new team finding chemistry so quickly and rising to the top, with clear roles, amazing defence and clear identity. It’s not a coincidence that some players play the best basketball of their careers under Ataman. GM? You say what people would say in a barber shop. I didn’t expect that from you to be honest.
P.S. I have to exclude Augustas. He never disappoints as a basketball analyst.
I am a Virtus tifoso living in Indiana. Bologna's backcourt is not dynamic enough. I think they were hoping to get that with Smith , but it didn't workout. Hackett is very good but older and has been injured. Belinelli is older but can still shoot in streaks. They need someone like Evans next year. But overall, they have gone from Eurocup, to Eurocup champs, to Eurolegue, to Euroleague play-in, so there has been steady improvement over the last 4 seasons. But yeah, losing 7 in a row is never good.
I have a suggestion ,best court in Euroleague. I want to see something..
2022 Oly win monaco in playoffs .
2023 oly win monaco in final4.
2024 Oly win monaco in final.
Great story
Nice fairytale but.. naahh
Μακάρι! My prophesy is not all red: Oly went to the F4 in '94&'95, PAO won the title in 96 and Olympiacos came back to win in in '97. Again, Oly made it to the F4 in '09&'10, PAO won it in '11 and Olympiacos came back to win it in '12. If You are a betting man, put 10 E on PAO for this season and for Thrylos for the next. Talk about history rhyming...
Want a blanket with that dream?
@@DimShamrock Όχι ρε συ, πιάνουν ζέστες. Αλλά τέτοια αλληλουχία 3η φορά θα είχε πολλή πλάκα
😂😂😂
patizan if they are in the league should honestly go for milutinov if olympiacos is willing to sell him or whatever. Such elite player, but as Donatas said , question is does olympiacos need him
Yes we need Milutinov. We need 3 centers because we have a lot of games. Milutinov will take Greek passport this year or next year so will play as Greek at the local league.We have a limitation to have only 6 foreigners players at local league games.And Milutinov has 3 years contract with Olympiakos
Brazdegis-Sikma-Gos is Gone.....Evans is 90% here but the Thing is Bartzokas is the Best by Far to Discover Talent(8 Non Greek in the Team Fall-Wright-Milutinov-Petrouchev-Peters-Canaan-Makisick and One More...Evans??)...but Reporters here Gos is always the Player Bartzokas Like....will see
Dont give the title to madrid that fast. 5 games ago efes had to win 5/5 for the playin. Now efes needs 7 wins for the title. Bologna》baskonia》madrid》madrid》madrid》barcelona》panathinaikos wait for shane larkin to woop your ass.
Avoiding Ataman as obvious coach of the year just reaffirms your pre-existing biases! :P
Completely new roster which in hindsight isn't even as expensive as some of the other top teams in the Euroleague (overspent on Sloukas and Villdoza).
Turning a losing culture around (last 3 years) is a major feat, particularly considering the fact that PAO also possesses a top defense which no one really expected out of Ataman (myself included).
[Gytis] I love it, anytime we talk Panathinaikos, Olympiacos, Crvena Zvezda or Partizan, it’s always “pre-existing biases” 😅 I guess it’s difficult to believe we just don’t care for one side or the other, but I get it, hardcore fans will always interpret everything that’s not 100% positive as biases. 😝
Basketnews dont worry about this haters
@@BasketNews_comhas anyone ever accused you of bias against Olympiakos or in favor of Pao??😂😂😂😂
@@kosk442NO!
[Gytis] Let me surprise you, yes and many times 🙃
Of course, Zvezdana lost on purpose.
Yes, but probably lost control and the differential went to 45.
as a red star fan im so ashamed by what my team did vs efes , and if president had any coincience , he would step down. Cuz lets be clear here , none expected red star to win vs efes in away game while efes was in form of their lifes and red star had nothing to lose , so the loss itself was fine. They didnt want to play for partizan and risc injuries etc , also fine. But lets take a brief look here. Red star lost 22 games prior to efes match. In those 22 loses , they lost 5 games , only 5 games with more than 10 point difference. So it says that they were competitive in all their games basically and now they come to instanbul and lose 45????? And someone tells me , that this wasnt statement loss just to make partizan feel bad? ahah. Story for little kids. Everyone who watched tat game saw that players were randoml throwing passes, they had 5 turnovers in first 3 minutes lol. Definitely they lost on purpose and i wouldnt even debate over it. If they played the game they played all season long , efes wouldnt win with more than 10 points. Im pretty sure
Since you disregard Ataman from coach of the year, he will probably win the league now.
All of you partizan fans that shout to red star losing intentionally, please have in mind that you have lost way too many games. It’s not one game. It’s a series of 30+ games.
And compared to last year you were not at the same level.
Of course Zvezda went into the game with the intent to lose. But you cant play so uninterested against a better team who needs to play their best and not be embarrassed.
Why so much hate for Pao 😅😅🤣🤣
Takk!
Καθίστε μην βιάζεστε για Αταμαν.Εαν το παρει ο ολυμπιακος ποιος θα ειναι παλι;
Your anti-PAO altitude is on another level guys
they are telling the truth
Is luka banchi still clearly COTY? or is he even top contender for it?
Bruh he is nowhere near
You 're right to joke with the so called PAO hate, but how can you say that Ataman is a Gm and not a coach, are Panathinaikos players playing alone? Thank god there are other channels , even with less man power and production than you, that actually make very detailed and knowledgable videos on PAOs and OLYs and others plays and tactics.
Nobody knows what ataman needs to do see as a good coach lol even if he won 2 more titles these dude still says sarunas is better or smt lol ataman hate and pao hate is on the top
lol, see ya
@@Berethoris r u talking to me? did you have a stroke?
@@christosbardas84 are you still here? generating traffic by commenting? learn how the internet works boomer
@@Berethoris So you did have a stroke. Im so sorry.
No way
Panathinaikos is also 9-1. Why are you ignoring the Greens? 😂
easier program and mad more expensive team with less injuries
@@georgekilias1336 PAO had full roster in last 3-4 games of the regular season what less injuries? Pao has the 8th most expensive roster in EL and finished 2nd. In the last 10 games of the regular season he had more away games and he beat 3/4 top 6 teams in that span (he didn't play with Monaco in the last 10 games). What are you on? Give me some too.
@@Fridas13 3-4 games full healthy making it sound too dramatic when others don't have 2 or 3 important players in every game. And 3/4 top 6 teams??????????????? That's funny. The only really big W was with real which of course was a huge game. But don't overreach
@@georgekilias1336 easier program? We won real, barca and fener... Are you high or something??
@@kosk442 go watch cricket. Obviously i talked about Real 🤦♂️. Ok you won barca and fener. So what. Talking about having one of the best teams but then acting like every match is an excess for your team. Grow up
The problem is that Nigel Williams-Goss has a closed 2-year deal.
If Olympiacos could wiggle their way out of that deal, Canaan is a better scorer, better defender and less fragile player than Goss.
Wait for the play offs, he did a bad year with Madrid and was key in the final four
Canan won't renew his contract not becaue of Evans or Goss. Because Tyler Dorsey will join Olympiakos.He has Greek passport and he is 28 years old. Canan will be 34. The Greek passport is the reason than coach decided not to renew the contract of Canan but to take Dorsey,Evans and to keep Goss as second play maker
I love your channel but the PAO hate is real and pisses me really off!!
Anyone argueing that Zvezdana did not lose on purpose is simply delusional
If Efes could make the F4 and Pana can't, then my #1 candidate for coach of the year would be Tomislav
53:18 "Call me in June, when they (Real Madrid) have another title."
Oh we will keep that in mind Augustas. Don't worry about that. Keep that Larentzakis shirt warm at night.
You better be talking about ACB.
You guys never learned your lessons, did you? ☘⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐☘
So if person pick Real to win euroleage he is oly fan damn pao fans are delusional nobody in Lithuania cares about oly or pao and we are not fans or haters of these teams
@@nesakysiu12 Oh trust me, I have my reasons to believe that.
You should also talk about Bodiroga and the officiating in favor of pao this year.
You don't know this but former pao player Bodiroga was part of the team that controlled the greek mafia in basketball stealing so many trophies from OLY.
Dejan is dirty.
Oh my God.......like you are blind..do you even watch this tournament?
Not tought at all, 1)Walkup,Goss,Long 2)Evans,Canaan 3)Pap,Lare,Shaq 4)Peters,Petrusev(pap can play here too) 5)Fall, Milu, Wright.... Brazdeikis,Sikma out... If someone have to go it should be Goss because of his many injuries... But dont forget that we wouldve bought James this year as an addition without anyone leaving... The plan was to replace $loucash with 2 players one scorer and Goss so we dont really need to let anyone go
Ataman coach of the year🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Clown of the year for sure.
Can't believe this basketball lie with so much luck finished in 2nd place.. If Maccabi or Baskonia are serious they will qualify to F4...
Υou are so in pain.....and I love it ❤
@@giorgiosmy4080 12years u are in pain and u still.POA
@@NoSkillsBro. the pain will be endless for the next 50 years 😘
@@NoSkillsBro.
Φίλε μιλάμε για ψυχασθένεια, δεν αξίζει να ασχολείσαι με αυτά τα δίποδα. Τόσες φάπες και ακόμα έπαρση.
Have you started taking the German legalisation literally? 🚬 How about a subcategory of "The Turkish Coach of the Year who is working in Greece"? Or "The Turkish guy of the year, who formed the best EuroLeague team in Greece out of nothing". I am growing tired of these boneless conversations - when words fail, it is as stupid as it gets.
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Just because stupid Okombo hit the glass and lost the game against pao, resulting in them finishing 2nd place instead of 5th, having to play against OLY, doesn't mean clown Ataman is candidate for coach of the year.
I feel your pain. It hurts doesnt it. But that game shouldnt even have come down to that with the ridiculous 3 free throws James was awarded a few seconds ago.
@@getonthetrain2909
Μιλάνε οι ψυχασθενείς για πόνο...Χαχαχα τι ζούμε ρε.
Ecactly.Some teams just lost the game at the end because of ridiculous mistakes and some team lost the games at the end against pao like valencia because of referees wrong call.Don't forget that pao is the first team in free throws in the league and the last team on fouls against.Without referees pushing them i am sure that the would be at 8th place
@@sakistsilarxos2149 🤣 exactly same thing happened vs Valencia, it should not even come down to that either. Few seconds before,Jerian Grant clearly blocks Valencia player in the fast break but it is called a ridiculous goal foul. Go check it. It is funny when you try to find sth when Pao is actually getting screwed by the refs in those games.
@@RedDefender77 ye ye no pain 🤣. Its obvious. Calling Ataman a clown? You? With your coach who acts like a psycho every possession and curses the Lords name 200 times every game?
But i feel for you. All 3 teams Real, Barca, Monaco got the homecourt advantage same as last year and only one, Oly was kicked out. And by who? By Pana. PAO KICKED YOU OUT OF TOP 4.So i feel your pain man. Stay strong.
Ataman coach of the year with 40million BUDGET ARE YOU SERIOUS?
Where the hell did you count 40 millions.Show me the contracts.I am waiting.
Milano got those budgets in long years
@@ericozt932 You are forgeting the fact that euroleague is not called Italiano mafiozo airlines but TURKISH airlines.