Whipple Stage 1 S650 Goes Back to the Dyno after KILLER Track Day - What Happened?
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- čas přidán 12. 05. 2024
- We venture to @tunedbynorm3635 and revisit our previous dyno results.
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• Whipple Stage 1 S650 M...
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Imagine how much power itll make in 10th gear!
Try it
@@MurphysLawGarage that needs to be your next video, E99 + 10th gear, really show those S550s guys. Stage 1 power.
I’m gonna unlock 11th gear and spray it.
@@stanielz😂
9:00 Not only cooling but as an alcohol it has more oxygen content which is a power adder.
That’s right, I should’ve mentioned that. Thanks
It could even be a combination of things. The air bubble in the charge air cooling system slightly reduced the cooling efficiency, the blower likely loosened up after use, questionable gas, and increased weight/friction from the drag radials, and what was the DA and Grains on each day? Without accurate data logs and DA information to review, its all just guessing.
We have data logs from the original dyno, both days had remarkably similar DA’s right around 2300 and water grain was higher dyno day2
Were you able to log any data while doing those pulls? That should explain those dips
I dont believe we logged that particular run
Gonna order the Stage 1 whipple for the my 24 GT Mustang tomorrow! Good video!
Thanks.
You’ll love it!
@@MurphysLawGarage thank you! Just ordered it! So excited
Get ready for the 8 week wait time
@@MarqJimmy 4 weeks in. 8 more to go! 😄
@pdai5426 it’s worth the wait, just be happy you didn’t have to wait as long as us pre-order guys! 8 weeks is the normal lead time.
I might pull the trigger on Lebanon Fords base GT with the stage one for $49,995. This video kinda pushed me over the edge. Thank you!
Do it!
Is the "free flowing" exhaust a new mod compared to the last time?
No, the car has had it since nearly day1 of ownership.
Can you clarify whether your horsepower numbers are SAE or STD? I'm not sure if I'm reading it correctly, but I see STD at the top right of the page.
STD
So in order to see the numbers whipped advertises you have to dyno the car wrong and hurt the transmission in the long run, Put in octance booster, and remove the cats so they dont melt.
The car made the number on 93, and has cats. Of course you’d need to go 1:1 to see the number… unless you want to guess? Don’t do it with yours.
Would rather not, the 10r trash as it is. Don't need to smoke my clutches for a dyno number. But your data is nice.
@brandonbarnett9919 good thing is has a warranty.
how is it trash? aint too many people reporting problems with them. so many haters on this post. @@brandonbarnett9919
Would the power be any different if this was the manual?
Yes, there is less drivetrain loss on a manual so the number will be higher.
@@MurphysLawGarage Great news, thank you!
One more question: Do you think the mt82 can handle the power? I know the auto can but manual has a less than optimal history.
From what I’ve seen it really depends on the driver’s ability. You can’t be too rough on those MT82’s. I’d think you’d need to be prepared immediately for a stronger clutch and to expect a transmission failure is possible.
Im so happy this all worked out for you. I am considering doing this to my new GT next spring. I only have 300miles on it right now and want to finish breaking it in before I decide. How many miles did you have on yours ? Again Congrats and best wishes
Don’t second guess, do it! The kit was installed at 5k miles
Did Whipple ask you to make this video? I'm sensing you got some heat from them. The facts are Stage 1 is less power than advertised due to their warranty tune. So skip this one and buy a Stage 2.
No, we wanted to know if it made more power after the track day considering.
Warranty still means a lot to a ton of people
It does to me.
We do not have a warranty tune, all stage 1 tunes are the same, powertrain warranty or not. And no, no one from Whipple has asked for any videos, track results etc. In fact i've told him multiple times to post whatever he feels the need to, Whipple does not manipulate any customers.
@chuckharter5954 that’s right, you wanted the transparency minute 1 just like we did and patience resulted in vindication. Everyone needs to put their tin foil hats down. It’s ironic we were once praised for that said transparency and when the script no longer fits, they flip. Tsk tsk, people wanted a narrative, not Data 🤧
Are you in contact with whipple
Yes, it’s mentioned in both videos.
Cringed so hard during that 7th gear dyno pull dont do that man🤐
I’m gonna ask Alex for a 7th gear leave tune
Only way to show the numbers everyone is so concerned about…
@@MurphysLawGarage yeah but you guys are gonna burn out the clutches sure it’s 1:1 but ford recommends not dynoing it in 7th
@MrPrime269 the car is warranted by whipple and we had permission to test in 6-7th otherwise we wouldn’t have. I’m not a dyno queen car kinda guy so chances are you wont see much if anymore of this as I use trap speed/weight to determine effective HP.
E30 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Fucking Gimmick Tunes
In our experience the calibration is the limiting factor. No matter the octane nor the exhaust scenario the car would limit the output up top.. power under the curve was great with gains shown with every change of the car, but once the revs climbed above 6000, the charts all pulled together. So in other words, if you don’t have a dyno chart that pulls to redline it’s hard to estimate the actual power made. What were your timing numbers on the various pulls??
Whipple says on the stage1 kits they throttle back to meet the safe HP target, there is more there. 19-20*
@@MurphysLawGarage
What we saw as well
Well done.
Thanks
Now I know you don't believe the tire thing, however it is a thing depending on the dyno. Tim Barth, the #1 tuner for Hellcats, his dyno runs ~40HP lower with drag radials on it due to the sticky tire. How do I know? I had my car done by him at his shop and he said he did testing to prove this. He has his dyno variances locked in and knows what to expect depending on the tire. Strangely enough, I had some other shops chime in and agree with it as well. Good video!
I’ve seen quite a few videos on this topic, and I agree with those results on an aired down Hoosier DBR, ET Street R etc etc, but the handful of results I’ve seen of these stiffer radials like the SS aired up resulted in negligible loss. Thanks for the watch!
I thought I heard that Tim was getting back in the Mustang scene. He did my cams years ago when he had Modular Powerhouse. He knows his shit.
I’m leaning more towards not as good of fuel on the install day vs today
Either way it rips
100% agree brother.
3950 is lighter than my gen1 by 10 lbs!
With me in it - Super base spec special ordered
Fantastic Analysis JB! Ppl will still nitpick about both Stages. Facts/Math are a stubborn thing. Fact of the matter is that Whipple did get it right. (Albeit with quite a few speed bumps and sometimes frustrating mix messaging)
Conclusion = No octane boosting on S1! (Unless crappy fuel) 93/E30 much better
S2 Total beast with 93/E30 and pulley.
Thanks, good wrap up on your part. I love it when people actually listen to the video fully through. Sometimes my analysis develops through the video finally landing on a conclusion, so I can tell when commenters skip around. I leave that in there so people understand my thought process.
@@MurphysLawGarage Indeed! 🙏
Just here for all my mustang information.
Thanks for the view/comment
It's all just theories until you data log
We have data logs from the first dyno session we discuss.
czcams.com/video/Uchto9CC4c0/video.htmlsi=tN8sboWQmmbiq-nw
@@MurphysLawGarage I meant datalog comparison between both dyno days. It just sounds like the car is doing what it is commanded to do this time vs last time. Better air, better fuel, etc.
*to bad even with warranty ford will deny the warranty like they did with a dude in the f150 forum with his Shelby the cats blew his motor and they said he was driving it too hard 😂*
That vehicle threw catalyst codes and the owner continued to beat on it. Tell the whole story.
I agree with the mph yes the air lock to the whipple is good quality and make power it gone get better.👏😎🇨🇦👍💪
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Wait people on line said BOOSTANE was equivalent to stealing the election 😂
Makes no real power on a stage1, but it could definitely help a pulleyed stage2 at higher boost.
I'm going with: you ran it out to 7th gear. If I remember correctly you wouldn't run it out to 7th and did your first pulls to 6th only. Also, I think that fellows Dyno is a DOG not the car. Running it out to 7th would equate to approximately 30hp more which would be what your numbers are in these runs, approximately. Honestly, when you have to juggle four balls, standing on one foot while balancing an umbrella on your head to get good numbers - to me is just ludicrous...🤷♂ Especially, when I'm watching Palm Beach Dyno do stock cars after whipple installs and hitting 720+ HP ... Take it to another Dyno and run it.
We dyno’ed in 7th gear the first time as well. Mitch’s dyno is a newer unit than PBD’s. PBD has only dyno’ed stage2 cars. We went to the track after this and ran a 10.2 @ 134mph at 1800DA on e30 which suggests ~750whp. 705whp on 93 was correct.
@@MurphysLawGarage Oh - now that’s surely better - but like you I’m shocked at the difference… with no REAL PHYSICAL fix that has taken place 👍🏻
I do genuinely think the gas was bad.
I hope that Whipple 💰 gets y'all something nice. 👍
You must mean that $10k hole in my bank acct.
wtf are you talking about?
The computer needed time to learn.
And the tires.
Now get your carbon fiber drive shaft, and take out the other seats and hit those 9s
Nick at whipple said no to the adaptive argument.
@@MurphysLawGarage maybe not but it makes since. Unless the supercharger has a break in period. There could be multiple things.
@@MurphysLawGarage either way it is time to start dropping weight, and making videos showing gains from dropping weight.
We will progress the car, just want to get passed summer.
So Whipple sent you the better tune so that you would give them a thumbs up? Alex was right. Research what a 7th gear pull could do to your car, no bueno..
Some people have morals, no - it’s the original tune and I explain what we believe happened at the end after the car made a number at the track. Alex is a little too deep in you, ask him to pull out.
Whipple has not sent any tune revisions. Infact its quite complicated to do so given our relationship with Ford and the unlock process on this calibration.
@@MurphysLawGarage Another keyboard warrior I see.
You came here with an accusation that flies in the face of my morals, expect a response.
Super fasttttttttt 😮😮😮😮😮
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