What if France puppeted Mexico in 1861?
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- čas přidán 27. 02. 2024
- This is not the first time that France had intervened in Mexico, the war is officially called, the Second French intervention in Mexico. The first one happened in 1838 and it’s also called the Pastry War. Let me tell you what happened, as we context is needed, so we can make France win the second time. Basically, the idea is that we make France win even harder this time.
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As Maximilian had no children, he adopted the sons of the 1st Mexican Emperor. The only way there was for Karl Ludwig to be Emperor of Mexico would be that he was chosen instead of his older brother right from the start.
Maximillian easily could made children
@@Anarcho-Stupidity Era su esposa que no podía, pero fue lo mejor, ya que al adoptar nietos de los emperadores del I Imperio Mexicano daba unidad entre los Hasburgo con el II Imperio Mexicano.
Hey rewriting I was glad to help you decide on the day to publish it can’t wait to watch it
Hah yeah I bet! New video in 2 days, again! I'm on such a streak!
@@rewriting-history less go
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I’ll give it a 7 on realism. Fairly realistic scenario, no big notes but I would be interested in if France had chosen a different royal family how events would’ve shaken out (like one that could help them quell unrest in Mexico). Also with the stronger Franco-Habsburg ties, I think it’s likely that France and Austria would have a stronger relationship than in our timeline which could affect the Franco-Prussian War and the eventual WW1.
You never fail to make interesting alternative history scenarios!
Will Maximilian still be in the throne as a puppet or not?
Yes and no, you would have to wait and see
Nice video! This was very different from your other videos (because it’s in the Americas instead of Europe). I think you did very well historically, I would rate it 8/10 on the Mexican stuff, and idk much about French stuff so no rating there! Great job buddy!
second video i have seen from you, i really like it, im subscribing.
I really appreciate that! Hope you enjoy more of my future uploads! Right now I'm doing a video about every other day
@@rewriting-history i see, i dont know how you find time to make these videos
Great video, Rewriting! I really like your videos a lot, however, I always had a question in how realistically the Axis (Germany, Italy and Japan) could won WW2? I know there's like a shit ton of videos talking of the subject but their videos never satisfied me or even feel very realistic, and the only ones who could do it "realistic" is just Germany and Italy winning but Japan losing. So could be in a future video be about that? (If of course you intereseted or not)
This WWI would be drastically different, especially since the U.S. would see France as an enemy and stars to symphasize with the Central Powers more. This could lead to a massive war in North America with Canada and Mexico vs the USA.
So in this timeline the Entente would lose
We know need a video on this.
@@jaredvale
Not necessarily
@@jaredvaleheeeeeeeh arguable, well depands on how well the US would do in the war, since either way they wouldnt join it at first and their rich people would see the money in giving loans to states in total war thus delaying the entrance.
Germany would not get much support from them because of the blocade, and since they would be stuck in America on one side fighting Canada on a gigantic front and Mexico on another front even if they win both logistics is gonna sucks.
We need to remember that the US's strenght was its industrial capabilities who could support the world, its own military might was not nearly as impressive as the other great powers
Amazing video😊😊😊❤❤❤❤
Many many thanks!
@@rewriting-history np
i would say that the idea of mexico retaking central america is pretty dificult because even attacking "just guatemala" would obiusly be intentions to conquer all of central america and that is bad for britain and usa.
and mexico renaming itself to anything that isnt "empire of mexico" while having a monarch wouldnt happen, because it would imply either letting the empeor aside or downgrading the title.
and also, the whole french propaganda thing is the most unbelivable progapanda i have heard, i dont think it would have worked
If France kept Mexico, might have been the best thing for it.
This really would have changed a lot, but with the Franco-Prussian war, they would never realize the utility of owning Mexico
Realism meter:4 this is Ubscure and love it there is no realism but it's a fun scenario non the less
Ta loco wey
True though my country the US would not happy and probably support Germany nin world war 1 against france
As someone who loves greater France and a Mexico that can function I love this
Love the vid
Pretty realistic I'd say 7/10
suggestion what if France never lost Alsace Lorraine in the Franco Prussian war basically in this timeline in return for not seizing Alsace Lorraine the Germans offer France a deal that the Hohenzollern stayed in power in Spain and in French Indochina they seized that colony and how this would either help Germany diplomatically leading to possibly just German diplomatic power increasing or the League of Three Emperors never fully disbands and then a later WW1 but more regional or it never happens and it would explore some things like what happens to French Indochina will Japan go full war mode on Europe if it includes Germany r will they stay democratic or just go after China as a three way proxy war breaks out between the Russian Empire the German Empire and the British Empire in the 2nd Sino Japanese war and also i doubt that America would really ever break its isolation except for in the Americas Ofc.
a bit long sorry 🤓
It would mean there is no Germany. The annexation of Alsace Lorraine was a condition by the southern states for joining Germany as they wanted to be sure that a French continuation war wouldn’t be fought on their soil
Nice video, always enjoy scenarios where Latin American nations do well! Anyway, I'd say is Realism 8/10, it all checks out. anyway, scenario idea: what if Portugal and Brazil Remained united, i think that'd be cool or interesting :)
This leads to the question why France did not come to Austria's aid when it comes to the German Question. After all, the Emperor of Mexico is the member of the House of Habsburg and at the very least, it will looked very suspicious from the diplomatic and political points of views that France did nothing to give Austria's support in the war against Prussia, especially after Russia just pulled out of the League of Three Emperors because the Tsar felt betrayed by Austria for supporting the Allies back in the Crimean War. And if Austria won, this will lead to Austria to be the one to unify Germany, thus having no need to annex Bosnia from the Ottoman Empire because the Austrian government at the time will be preoccupied with consolidating the administration across the newly-gained German lands while also keeping the monarchs of each German state intact. This might resulted in Prussia lost the lands in Brandenburg to Austria, which is most likely the case since this is about the unification of Germany as a whole. This will greatly upset the House of Hohenzollern and might caused the political division within what left of Prussia that located on the Baltic coasts, splintering the government into the pro-British faction due to the marriage between King Wilhelm and Queen Victoria's first daughter who is shared the same name with her, and the pro-Russian faction due to the influence of Chancellor Otto von Bismarck who really wanted to make sure France will not become more influential than it already is. As a result, another front for the Great Game is opened right in the very heart of Europe between Britain and Russia with Prussia and even the Ottoman Empire are at the center of it all. The Ottoman Empire is added here because for the time being, it will most likely be the pro-British country at the moment due to the threat of Russia and the fact that Prussia has no interest in the Balkans whatsoever. This might even led to the scenario of the Prussian Civil War eventually between the pro-British faction and the pro-Russian faction as time passed by. And it's hard to tell which side will win in this conflict. So I will leave that up to interpretation. But what I know is that one of these two factions, most likely the pro-British faction, will most likely resorted to Prussian nationalism by using the Bibles written in Old Prussian language, the Prussian poems and other survived Prussian texts to distinguish themselves from what will be remembered as the Old Kingdom of Brandenburg-Prussia. And why doing this? It's to make it clear to everyone that this new Prussian state is a Baltic country, not the German country. And assuming that it is the pro-British faction that won this war and also the one that relied heavily on the Prussian nationalism, this will led to the direct confrontation with Russia later on with the new goal of unifying the Baltic peoples under one nation by launching wars of liberation for the Baltic peoples who live under the Tsar's rule against Russia. And this will be something Britain will definitely supported because not only it will weakened Russia further but also distract the Tsar and his military from threatening the Ottoman Empire as well.
I believe the french were still recouperatinf over their losses and if they had intervened in the brothers war gb mightve joined with prussia and it couldve led to france having problems in the rhine alongside increasing the already high politcal tensions but this is just a guess
I liked this video❤❤❤
First, I would love to see the French intervention video
Second, my latest alternate alternate history video on if the Iraqi uprisings against Saddam Hussein in 1992 were successful got age restricted. And I was wondering if you have ever encountered a similar problem with your alternate history videos?
I do find this scenario rather fun and interesting to see if this happened. And I think Maximilian still has descants alive, I don’t know for sure.
Man you all come in the right time
I hope this is something good!
OMG! This video is better than I thought. Yeah, the French Mexico will be awesome and better than the original Mexico of our timeline. :)
I'm glad you ended up liking the scenario I made!
In your 1838 map you didn't have Texas independent. We won our independence in 1836
Bruh you're right... Well there goes my perfect scenario. I really thought I had this one in the bag
Really just depends on who u ask cus mexico, latin America, and spain never recognized it. Not sure abt France. It never settled it or had control over it borders. But there was a solid chance it would be independent today. The mexican never got the chance but a proposal for tx independence would come with conditions to set Tx at its original and de facto border at the nueces and agree to remain neutral and never join the US. Tyler pushed for annexation near the end of 1845 when he knew it pass through Congress, although very narrowly. Its also why after the US invasion, more Republicans were preseant in congress to change the TX borders to what it is today, instead of the borders TX claimed de jure. This in someways a tasit admitance that the disputed territory really wasn't the USs to dispute and a flimsy claim at best. But its was too late for that not to late to fuck over the south.
"This in someways a tasit admitance that the disputed territory really wasn't the USs to dispute and a flimsy claim at best. Its also why after the US invasion, more Republicans were preseant in congress to change the TX borders to what it is today, instead of the borders TX claimed de jure." You're so wrong, Texas couldn't enforce its claimed territory and fell pray to numerous Mexican Raids that reached up to San Antonio, one of the reasons for Texas joining the US was to retake their land and claims from the Mexicans which the US gladly did after Polk was elected. The US gave Texas it's claimed borders and took half to clear its debt they had incurred as a republic. So no, the US didn't take away claimed territory from Texas to spite the south, it won the land for Texas and basically bought some of the territory to give back to the other state that now had the same claims as Texas did, e.i, Colorado, New Mexico/Arizona, Kansas, Oklahoma and Wyoming.
@chrisriverata1917 your not completely wrong nessarily. Watch the video History Matters did on it.
I'm surprised you didn't mention how French aspirations in Mexico were related to French pan-Latinism, they tried to expand their influence in Panama (they were the first to try to create the canal until the Americans replaced them) as well. They saw themselves as the successor of the Roman Empire and the champions of both the Latin nations and Catholic church, which is why they helped Italy in its unification process or created the term "Latin America"
The dead of Monroe doctrine
Suggested: what if the iroquois confederacy survived to the modern day?
Liked the end
Realism meter about 3.5
But the more unrealistic the more fun
Suggestion: What if Brazil and the United Kingdom went to War (Question Christie)
can you make a video about our home country next
Maybe all endings, but I will see
I was thinking if u could do a video on my country jamaica what if we took it over before 1962 like back in the 1800s like hati
I assume it's not going to do well view-wise, but I can always poll it!
@rewriting-history ok that would be lovely
Day 6 of asking you to do "What if Skanderberg's crusade succeseded"
WHAT IF FRANCE IS FRANCE
France
Hey rewriting do you remember me from discord earlier this morning
I remember you ofc, you have been leaving many comments in the past months, appreciate all that!
@@rewriting-history no problem your one of my favourite youtubers
17:08 fun fact i jokingly said in my mind itd gonna be franz ferdinand right? And its kinda funny i got it right
I think it be cool if Napoleon the third got excited to Mexico instead of Britain in this timeLine
What if Crassus and Publius conquered Parthia by going through Armenia like Trajan, leading to a 3 way civil way alongside Caesar and Pompey
napolon is the best name ive heard for napoleon in my entire life!!
Suggestion! What if the first mexican empire endured? 🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽
Great suggestion, if this video does well I can consider it
@@rewriting-history sweet
I feel like that can be two scenarios with the american settler's in Texas and without any Americans
Why did I hear "Napoleon the turd" here? 0:05 😂😭
As a Mexican I would give it a 6-7 we definitely have some wierd stuff in our history
Part 2?
Lore of What if France puppeted Mexico in 1861? Momentum 100
What if Russia colonised the western coast of north america through alaska?
video idea: what if after the Austro-Prussian war, a confederation was formed between Prussia, south Germany, Austria and Hungary
Suggestion what if India gained independence in 1857
Or
What if india never partitioned 😅
7:27 😅 it's Mexico City, not New Mexico
I didn’t guess franz ferdinand but I did guess Austria so I’ll take a half point for that
What if the original New England in Crimea survived?
7/10 realism, pretty good but a lot of things have to go right for this to happen
Mexico fell into debt from their 1857 civil war betweenliberals and coservatives indirectly caused by the US invasion, not the pastry war. Britain and Spain backed out bc realised france always intended to invade it wasn't just for the debt.
I don´t know man..........VIVA MÉXICO 10/10
This scenario sounds like a scenario where america declares war on some third world country because their army raided a mcdonalds
Lol
6.5/10 the concept is possible, but unlikely
5:30 bro mentioned California but not the Texas Revolution smh
13:56They WERE called the united mexican states. That is the it has the country on OUR time line.
I have a coin from the UK, $1 USA coin, Costa rica coin and Canada coin and more
Nice, share them on the discord!
@@rewriting-history done
9/10 it’s very realistic
Video idea what if Czechoslovakia never deported its Germans and then the communist coup failed.
600,000 pesos for a pastry shop? Wtf
i'd say an 8 i just feel like its unrealistic there wasn't a rebellion against the g e r m a n monarch at any point
a francophone-spanish mexico?
5
did anyone notice that he said the capital of Mexico was new mexico
10
Let's goo, this is good
Realism: 8/10
Let's go, that's good
@@rewriting-history yeah I think your scenarios are much more realistic than you actually give them credit for, the point of divergence is logical, and the rest of the video follows in the most predictable way. Still, I'm not someone who really minds realism, as long as the scenario has at least some internal logical consistency and is interesting
7 out of ten
I that is an improvement on my part!
Long live the Mexican Empire 🇲🇽
Hello
8.5/10
Your Bulgarian?
Unfortunately, yes
@@rewriting-history happiest bulgarian.
IAM just in time😊
Hope you liked the video!
@@rewriting-history yep 👍 I liked the video I also learned something so thx
9 real
It still kills me how the MOMENT the US slips into the Civil War, Europeans IMMEDIATELY begin invading countries in the western hemisphere.
8
6-8
i will rate this scenario a 6 in realisim.
Realism: 7.5
Realism 8.5 >.<
On realism, I rate 6 or 7-10
5.5/10
i stopped paying attention to the video for a few minutes and the first thing i hear when i start paying attention again is either way franz ferdinand will rule mexico
Viva la Francois
9
Yes France will annex Berlin ofcourse!
Damn right!
Realism 7
Realism is probably 6 - 7
7
Nah I think your joke was right except Mexico would annex Berlin instead. Mexican Berlin, What a HOI4 thought.
Franz Ferdirnard as Emperor of Mexico would been a better alternate timeline for Mexico, and Mexico would have thrived under a Mexcian Imperial Dynasty who would succeed Ferdinard as Emperor of Mexico would be his son Maximillian, Duke of Hohenberg ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian,_Duke_of_Hohenberg) as the third Emperor of Mexico. But so far, this is a great video, Mr. Rewritting History. I love the scenario so far; it is very realistic but straightforward. Excellent work; no matter what happens and what anybody says, you make the best alternate history videos out there with your abilities, and we appreciate you for putting in the effort. I really mean it! And I would love to see a part two where Mexico becomes a significant power in South America.
:)
I think mexico perserves more territory since veracruz int taken by the us since in the tl france owns it
your italian french border is atrocious
6-7 in the realism scale
What a strange accent.
You’re only problem with France, owning Mexico would be that the United States would have took in most of Mexico in their war, and not just the parts that they did take in our timeline. You have to remember Americans did not want Europeans to own land in North America that’s the big problem with your alternate universe. There’s a great chance that the United States would have paid France for the territory that they own of Mexico in your alternate universe
10
5