Rally Wheels Explained
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- čas přidán 20. 08. 2017
- A quick look at rally wheels and how they are different from normal production wheels and other racing wheels.
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Team O'Neil Rally School do you have a facebook page?
We sure do: facebook.com/teamoneilrally/
Can you give me the Audi/VW OEM part numbers of those wheels?
Hi, is possible to get more info on the steel lug inserts for the wheels?
Any Supplier in MA? Looking for a classic OZ but anything would be cool. Preferably Steel. 16" prefered or 17" with 40-50 offset.
This guy could sell me a cat in a bag, and i'd be bragging about how much grip it has before even seeing it.
I like how you guys don't say that you have to go buy the most expensive/best stuff, you guys keep it realistic.
Can you guys do a video on underbody protection please?
I agree that's where I'm at with my 2018 wrx
@@jack8407 🤣🤣🤣
Great point made about how a steel wheel will take most of a hit and save the suspension. I was already leaning towards rally-like alloy wheels for snow tires on my daily, but now I'm much more open to using steelies instead.
For snow tires on a normal daily drive I would go steel. If you do kerb it the wheel will buckle, but you will still be able to get home. An alloy, especially a lower end one will much more likely break and collapse especially in the colder weather.
I don't know how did I get to this video but it's interesting and very informative... thumbs up, I guess.
Zarrick we all go down a rabbit hole at some point. Looking at buying a rally car knowing damn well I can't afford one see the price and say well I'll book mark that shit for later. Lmfao.
Yea I don’t know where it popped up from, but I saw the vw snowflake wheel in the trailer pic.
Steel rim used as a crumple zone. Brilliant.
sammy wright - cheaper than replacing expansion suspension components
Wow...I didn't expect you guys to upload this video so soon after you responded to one of the CZcamsr's comments. Thanks! :D
Agreed.
wheely good info guys
Damn
Glad to see you aren't tired of it. Gotta stop it with the puns or I'll need to lug someone in the nuts
Husspower enthusiast I'm glad someone finally spoke up about it.
Gazerz Garage damn I missed that one. But hey, don't tread on me buddy alright?
Think you slick don't you?
Starter low budget rally car for next video?. One of my goals is rally on a low budget, i'm only 19 years and i saving to buy some kinda wagon or station wagon for traying to rally and thing as that.
Starter low budget car = used rally car. It's always cheaper to buy a used one than building from scratch.
Buy a used logbooked rally car that has easy to find spares. All those hondas, vw's and subarus. Let someone else spend their hard earned money.
Sportyish subies are great starters seeing that most come with awd and at least 140 hp. A Honda Civic hatchback is also a great fwd car, perfect for entry racing cheap. The first thing you always have to do is get some suspension and wheels/tires, see if you can find some cheap old enkei rally rims, I've always used them and I'd trust them with my life
Yossa Ruiz the real question is where do you rally in north texas?? :/
Brian Colorado
Back in the 80s and early 90s, Audi offered its Fuchs rally wheels as an option on all the Quattro models, from the Coupe to the 5000/200. They even color-matched them to the pearl white paintjob.
Every OZ street wheel I've bought have always been great. Little higher price tag but worth every penny.
Dunno why this popped up on my suggestions but I really enjoyed it. You threw fistfuls of knowledge at me at just the right pace.
just because you took a viewers comment a few days ago about doing this video, and actually do it so fast, I'm subscribing
Good God man! That's a lot of info, but it;s well presented, and waaaaay more info than most presenters give laymen such as myself. This reminded me of weekends sent with my uncle when I was 12, and the welding/mechanical/technical info came shooting at me a mile a minute. Thanks and well done!
Could you guys go over suspension setups? For example ride height; higher vs lower ride height or having it offset (higher front lower rear or vice versa) or if soft vs stiff is better for bumps/cornering at certain speeds or if an offset would be better (such as stiffer front/softer rear or vice versa). Obviously softer would be better for bump absorption but when does soft/stiff or high/low affect cornering, body roll, bump absorption, and stability negatively? Things like that. Thanks for the great info btw!
See "Racing suspension Explained"
Nope. Fuck off
Jk ❤
Fantastic, I finally find a channel which has lots of knowledge about driving. Thank you
I love the OZ wheel. What a timeless design where form follows function
Excellent vid, I troll around the net and try to learn something new each day. Your vid has explained more about rims then I thought I needed to know, and none of it was useless. Thank you for adding a bit to my bank of info.
Thanks so much!!! I love all your videos your the only CZcams channel I have post notifications on for
That was super cool, I could've guessed about the material being different but I would've never considered a difference in diameters on the same wheel. Fascinating stuff
love those oz wheels
I wish school was this compelling?
"If the colleges were better, if they really had it, you would need to get the police at the gates to keep order in the inrushing multitude. See in college how we thwart the natural love of learning by leaving the natural method of teaching what each wishes to learn, and insisting that you shall learn what you have no taste or capacity for. The college, which should be a place of delightful labor, is made odious and unhealthy, and the young men are tempted to frivolous amusements to rally their jaded spirits. I would have the studies elective. Scholarship is to be created not by compulsion, but by awakening a pure interest in knowledge. The wise instructor accomplishes this by opening to his pupils precisely the attractions the study has for himself. The marking is a system for schools, not for the college; for boys, not for men; and it is an ungracious work to put on a professor."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson
Never let school get in the way of your education. "Mark Twain"
Awesome info. I had no idea there were construction differences between rims other than possible grades of aluminum and spoke shape Thanks guys!
I have a question, how much extra offset will affect wheel bearing lifespan ? Like if you add 10mm more offset ? (lower the number)
Thanks for the in depth video!! Really learned something from this
In WRC, I always see cars run with this set of wheels 12:09 on gravel events, and then they change to this one 11:28 for tarmac events
I was pretty set on buying Steelies on my ride, this helped alleviate some of my concerns in buying them.
Now I wanna see a series of just taking different styled rims and seeing how much abuse they can take. Everything from big fancy pickup rims, to old beater rims. Ire would be interesting to see how spoke sizes and numbers affect the wheel along with the quality of the metal that makes it.
The best part of rally wheels is how cool they look
Love this video thanks for the explination guys. Just subbed.
would you guys consider selling second hand rims you've got sitting around collecting dust? (assuming there are some sitting around ... most car guys have a plethora of random stuff sitting around taking up space) i would be very interested to know if you would be open to something like that! doesn't hurt to ask!
excellent vid with important info. thank you
This videos are very helpful! thanks.
A good thing with steelies besides being cheap to buy and taking the hit for suspension components is that it bends but often keeps the tire seated and air in the tire. An alloy will often break and thus deflate the tire instantly. I’d much rather wobble my way to the finish line with air still in the tire instead of a broken wheel and deflated tire.
Maybe I will buy some Rally Wheels to drive in Brazil.
Marcelo Henrique fala aí mano !
Germany 7 - 1 Brasil
Great video, super helpful!
Thanks man! Very helpful!!
I'm looking at getting a set of wheels for my rally car. I am looking at Konig Dial-Ins and Revolution GR14 and I was wondering what Team O'Neil had to say about those 2 options?
Terrific video. Thank you!!
Most excellent indeed. Thank you sirs!!!
Any rims you recommend for a Suzuki Swift SPORT?
Would you recommend the OZ Rally Racing (2017 New Edition) as a winter wheel for a daily driven GT86? I'm running Sparco Assetto Gara for the summer and want something nicer than OEM wheels for the winter soon. Thought you might have enough experience to give a clue :-D
This channel is awsome!
I love you guys, thanks for the info!
Love the mentioning of inserts for larger hubs. In a factory where I work we have cord weaving machines. Very high RPM high performance stuff. Motors in there are made of aluminium and after a while shaft bearings beat those aluminium walls so that they don't fit anymore. So the company attempted to put a steel ring between the shaft bearing and the motor body and boy was it a failure.
Turns out if there is precise fit of steel to aluminium it works decently. But once there is a fit of steel to steel to aluminium that motor just eats shit and dies. My guess is that the steel ring in between is just easier to hammer to different proportions and then it transfers that distortion in to the motor wall.
Opinions on centerlock wheels?
Great video!
Where do you guys buy your team dynamics wheels stateside? I've looked around and many websites are trash.
Amazing lesson
How about a video on shifting techniques? Would really help me out a lot to get some tips on how to shift while rallying.
I love how OZ rally racing wheels
Especially those with gloss white finish and red lettering
Getting a good workout lifting those wheels! 😁 thanks for the video!
The white wheel from the audi/vw is Ronal R8s, I have them on my civic wagonrt4wd
Dillan Christie as wide as ur ego
Can you still put regular tiers on those ? Or only like those spec. rally ?
If I was doing rallycross/khanacross and using like, used/second hand rally tyres, would steel wheels be able to run them or would they bend with the stiffness of the tyre
This guy is great on video!
Hey, man... That white "Team Dynamics" rim you were holding... Can that rim fit on Golf MK2 GTI with 4 bolts?
What size rim would you suggest for rally racing? I saw o.z starts at 17” but dynamic only has 15”. I was thinking about making my 02 civic hatchback a rally car.
For gravel, 15" is the only way to go. Those are BY FAR the most common tires.
Most teams use 17s for tarmac (but there is very little tarmac in the US and Canada).
So 15s.
Very good video!
Any recommendations on rally wheels for my Honda 4x100 bolt pattern??
Very good info sir thank you
Great one! Really 👌🏾👌🏾🙏🏾
I mostly jumped a ditch in my 68 Rolla at about 95 mph. The front tires hit the far side first, bounced, almost did an end over...landed with the front tires pointing away from each other. Centerlink was bowed pretty badly but the steelies were fine.
Very informative. Thanks for the upload. What are the drawbacks of putting the cheaper rally wheels displayed in the video onto a daily driver?
reliability!
Heavier wheels makes the brakes work harder as well as your motor. Slower acceleration also.lighter wheel is able to rotate easier which also saves fuel milage so its better when its a smooth road
Where can I buy these rims ? Also I need snow tires for rallying too?
Thank you a lot!!!!
My Grandma had a Passat Pointet with these black wheels, was a great car!
What do you think about the bbs rims that come stock on sti's?
Felipe Castaneda they're street wheels, contrary to what many 17 year olds believe, a stock Subaru of any trim is not a rally car.
Are motegi MR141 be a safe bet to use over my steel wheels?
Can you remove the steel inserts in the lug bolt area? If yes how do they come out?
The wheels that came on my car are Speedline Chrono's. I heard Speedline is a really good wheel brand and they make rally wheels but does anyone know if the Chrono model is okay for rally? Mine are 17 inch though which I doubt is ideal for rally tires on a first gen impreza.
Those are great wheels BUT you're going to find almost all gravel rally tires are 15". You can get tarmac rally tires in 17" which are like really strong track tires... Check out www.demon-tweeks.com/us/motorsport/wheels-tyres/competition-tyres/rally/#/
Where did you get that 4 stud Method wheel? Looks like it would fit on my 2005 Focus ZX3. I have been looking everywhere. Sturdy wheels and tires have been a big problem.
We ordered a special batch directly from Method, they weren't sure if there was enough of a market to justify offering the 4x108 wheels as a normal product... Looking at their site now, apparently not. Check out: www.demon-tweeks.com/us/motorsport/wheels-tyres/competition-wheels/shop-by/pcd/4x108/
@@Teamoneilrally Thanks. They do have something I can use. Funny name. Never ran across it. How about brake and suspension parts? Used rally tires in Maine, NH, Vermont area?
some rally wheels have different fitments, group "A" . "1" . "4" . etc . does anyone know what this means and what the difference is?
First time I found your vids and have watched Everyone 1after another and subscribed could you go over engines as in v8 vs inline4 turbo which is best I do know turbo is better for higher altitude but other than that
What's a good weight for a 17' diameter rally wheel, I'm trying to look at 24lbs or less.
really good stuff man!! can you talk about antilag on entry level cars and enthusiasts.
You don't run antilag systems on entry-level cars. You run them when you can afford to frequently replace your turbo, parts of your exhaust, and your engine every once in a while.
Can any normal tire shop mount tires on a rim like that?
I had steel wheels on my car, first outing at Rallycross they handled it alright, but last run of the day I seriously broke a wheel, the whole center of it broke away from the rest. It may hold up better to sharp impacts because it's less rigid but I don't see an aluminum wheel tearing like that under heavy strain
What are the wheel dimensions restrictions so I can buy a set that follows the rules
Orderd some new wheel and realized they have oval shaped holes. Like perfectly machined oval shaped holes I was wondering if this was done on purpose so they could sell to 4x100 have room to acomodate other stud types.
At 6:00 you talked about the actual design of that particular wheel. So looking at the M-Sport wheels they don't have large open spokes, are they designed that way to keep most of the debris out? I always wondered if that was the purpose.
I'm also wondering about that and why do they uses different shapes depending on the surface of the road
I believe the M-sport wheels are also able to have several spokes damaged or missing & they'll still hold the wheel in place.
Compomotive TH wheels are a very similar design too.
TeamONeilRally style 37 are wide open wheels tho.
Zerofightervi You make m sport sound like a good of wheels. When its only really just a nicer looking wheel
the design also has to do with brake venting. Check out turbo wheels they were designed to keep brakes cool and lower wind resistance.
Would rally wheels be good for a winter set in -40c?
Not too sure about the more specific ones that pull the tire extra tight but the cheaper ones are in its essence standard heavy duty wheels.
Thank you
7:21 what vw model used those?
Different Mk2 Golfs and Golf GTIs. The 16 spoke white ones came on 2WD Audis from that era... The Audi Coupe GT and 2WD Audi 4000s
What are those oz rally wheels called? What’s the part number? Help
well what if i rly like the rally wheels but i wanna put them on a daily? how does that work out?
Then you have a better wheel than you need. Its not gonna make the sky turn purple
Thanks man
Is there a set rim size for rally?
Are the Sparco Terra good Rally Wheels?
@4:27
@4:27
10:46 - you said lug bolts are garbage, but you are using some German cars in your fleet that came with the lug bolts from the factory. Did you convert those cars to lug nuts? If so, which conversion kits did you use? Thanks!
Hi Alex! We have retired all the VWs and almost all of the Audis at this point, but yes they have wheel bolts and yes they are a pain in the butt. We had not converted them. Actually the BMWs are wheel bolts still probably too? They work OK unless you're in a hurry, and the brake rotor turns slightly as you're putting the wheel on... You've probably played this game before...
Thanks for your prompt reply, Team O'Neil!
Aloominum what about 5 spoke steelies?
@HaggardGarage Orion needs to watch this.
Most of them have spokes but the OZ ones are bit different with the wide plate design. How would their design affect the performance. Are they better for keeping debris out? How would they affect the cooling? Are they better suited for some kind of application? ect
Lauri L They're intended to keep more junk out from inside the wheel. Might make the brakes a little hotter, but I doubt it.
Those are old design, called turbo wheels, not much info about the concept, but I was reading some time ago, that those were designed to keep the brakes cool and to reduce wind resistance.
Amazing video. Thanks! Wyde! (i think thats what you said)
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that oz rim is my favourite
Okay so a set of those Sparcos that you mention are "okay" should be more than enough for driving on winter mountain roads with a winter/snow tire.
cool
nice vid.
Are there any benefits of bronze wheels?