How to Rally an AWD Car

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  • čas přidán 20. 06. 2024
  • A quick look at high speed driving and car control with a specific focus on AWD cars. As all wheel drive becomes more common in performance cars and high speed scenarios on all surfaces, it's important to understand the nuances of going fast with an AWD car.
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Komentáře • 302

  • @trykozmaksym
    @trykozmaksym Před 5 lety +493

    Watched. Liked. Sighed... Went playing Dirt Rally 2.0

    • @imoffendedthatyouareoffended
      @imoffendedthatyouareoffended Před 5 lety +13

      Went and played vr dirt rally cuz I don’t have 2.0 yet!

    • @Oskier94
      @Oskier94 Před 5 lety +4

      @@imoffendedthatyouareoffended yeh let's hope they'll add vr support to 2.0

    • @Ingenuus32
      @Ingenuus32 Před 5 lety +4

      Play to Richard Burns Rally, i think it so real as gravel sim

    • @Oskier94
      @Oskier94 Před 5 lety

      @@Ingenuus32 I kind of find weird playing rbr in vr, everything looks huge and less natural

    • @wiz123ful
      @wiz123ful Před 5 lety +4

      Are there people in here that have knowledge on rally and also carries an opinion on Dirt Rally 2? From my personal experience I feel that DR2 doesn't act all that realistically mostly in terms of how wheel spin and wheel lockup affects the car. It feels like the diff is always sort of loose-ish and the car doesn't really lose grip properly when accelerating or braking hard, but always tends to do a floaty-inbetween. Anyone have an opinion on this?

  • @DashnCars
    @DashnCars Před 5 lety +437

    Wyatt do they ever let you leave the compound? Are you trapped? Blink twice if yes. Also can I join you?

  • @bobsanders9500
    @bobsanders9500 Před 5 lety +158

    I did a four-day Team O'Neil course two years ago. Traveled two days from NZ to get there. I'm trying to win Lotto so I can go there again. Even if you never go rally driving, you will learn so much you'll need a week to process it all. To all you couch captains, life is too short for video games. Get off the simulator and do it for real! I promise you won't regret it.

    • @invertedv12powerhouse77
      @invertedv12powerhouse77 Před 5 lety +3

      Im hoping to get a wrx and give it the ej207/6 speed treatement. I gave up on racing games when i got my car cause i just cannot compare the feeling of irl to a sim. Im left extremely dissatisfied

    • @neilbryson
      @neilbryson Před 5 lety +9

      I have no money though

    • @timfrolov7891
      @timfrolov7891 Před 4 lety

      I need a wrx really bad

    • @invertedv12powerhouse77
      @invertedv12powerhouse77 Před 4 lety +11

      @@neilbryson work to get money. I started as a diesel mechanic and im moving up from that soon. If you live in a ridiculously expensive city then you should probably leave

    • @91plm
      @91plm Před 4 lety +3

      I'm a big Richard Burns Rally fan. But i've done a 2 days Rally "Boot Camp" in Southern France. No regrets, totally blew my mind. There's no way to replicate that feeling that you get.

  • @paulschuldesz1118
    @paulschuldesz1118 Před 5 lety +238

    I wish i had a place & money to start practicing this sport

    • @RedneckSavant
      @RedneckSavant Před 5 lety +48

      depending on where you live, just start rallycrossing locally in the cheapest car you can find. 1000 for some beater, 200 for some old blizzaks, 30 bucks an event, and that's it! pretty cheap compared to stage rally, but a great gateway into the sport nonetheless.

    • @zevi2000
      @zevi2000 Před 5 lety +6

      @@paulschuldesz1118 My area is like that too. I just find nice dirt roads and such and learn that way

    • @paulschuldesz1118
      @paulschuldesz1118 Před 5 lety +2

      @@zevi2000 well, i'll try hard to get a car that i own and can strip

    • @wobblysauce
      @wobblysauce Před 5 lety +2

      Then do it at the monthly contests, talk to people get a ridealong/get them to ridealong with you and give pointers.

    • @RedneckSavant
      @RedneckSavant Před 5 lety +12

      @@paulschuldesz1118 For practice, the best method I've found is waiting for the biggest snow storm to hit in the winter, and going to a nice empty parking lot at night. Don't drive like a psycho, but you can easily slide around in a relatively safe area and get a feel for how the chassis responds to losing grip in the worst possible conditions. Shouldn't have to drive any faster than like 15mph to break the tires loose and toss the car around. Watch a lot of these videos and practice what Wyatt says, also check out some of the dirtfish videos. They're not as good but still can give you some insight. Remember "Lift Turn Brake" and you can really start controlling a car in ways that you didn't realize were possible. For reference, all this is done in my daily driver 83 toyota tercel. It's got 60 horsepower, and I won my class at the last rallycross (take that subawoos!). It's not about what car you have, it's about controlling it. Just drive what you have, fwd, rwd, awd, doesn't matter. Be safe and have fun with it, and you'll be a better driver before you know it! EYO, WHAT A RANT THIS WAS

  • @MedievalRally
    @MedievalRally Před rokem +3

    I have the highest respect for people who have the guts, time, skills and money to do real rally racing. As a broke aging man, I opted the sim route. But I have to say, I love the same that sims have seemingly gotten pretty close to the real thing. Especially when tackling games like Richard Burns Rally. My reasoning being that I find that the advice coming from videos this like translates very well when to driving stages in sims.
    Anyway, enough of that. I just wanted to leave a comment to thank Team O'Neil YT Channel for posting these really useful videos. And that they helped me become a better Rally Driver in Sims. I wish we ended up getting the AWD donut video! I still can't do proper donuts in a AWD car for some reason. Its embarrassing.
    Cheers!

  • @ianholmquist8492
    @ianholmquist8492 Před 5 lety +76

    Thanks Wyatt. killing it. Inspiring and yet realistic videos lately.

  • @invertedv12powerhouse77
    @invertedv12powerhouse77 Před 5 lety +17

    I miss my impreza but i need a wrx/sti for my winter fun.

  • @aspecreviews
    @aspecreviews Před 5 lety +41

    Pulling the ABS fuse can make certain (namely torque-vectoring systems such as SH-AWD) AWD systems stop working or throw error messages, because they rely on the wheel speed sensors to determine wheelslip.

    • @patrikboubin8083
      @patrikboubin8083 Před 2 lety +1

      Hi. Any idea how to pull out the brake pedal engine switch?

  • @kianhansen4177
    @kianhansen4177 Před 5 lety +88

    watching this to get better at dirt rally

    • @timfrolov7891
      @timfrolov7891 Před 4 lety +1

      Gtfo

    • @zrspangle
      @zrspangle Před 4 lety +21

      @@timfrolov7891 hey now, not everyone lives near a rally course, or can afford an extra car. People show interest in different ways. We should accept everyone who wants to try

    • @Undertaker93
      @Undertaker93 Před 3 lety +1

      @@zrspangle STFU

    • @zrspangle
      @zrspangle Před 3 lety

      @@Undertaker93 🥴

    • @sgt61
      @sgt61 Před 3 lety

      @@Undertaker93 Watch it sheesh let him do what he wants cuz it aint our problem

  • @thatguy-sx1eu
    @thatguy-sx1eu Před 5 lety +97

    can you make a video on lift off oversteer for different wheel vehicles

    • @GrexTheCrabasitor
      @GrexTheCrabasitor Před 5 lety +1

      I feel like might have already about a year ago

    • @ameraldas3641
      @ameraldas3641 Před 3 lety

      lift off, weight transfers to the front, turn where you want to go. find a car that will actually lift off oversteer and a gravel parking lot where its safe to practice and then practice. from my experience it is very hard to get a hyundai sonata to lift off oversteer.

  • @CarsandComments
    @CarsandComments Před 5 lety +19

    Would love to see a front wheel drive version of this video, excellent video as well, super informative but also highly entertaining.

  • @triplebutted
    @triplebutted Před 5 lety +19

    Wyatt, you're the man. Feel like I've become a better driver through watching many of your vids, especially the one on hand positioning.

    • @JinFX
      @JinFX Před 5 lety

      Yeah even moreso for seat position.

  • @dankata2266
    @dankata2266 Před 2 lety +4

    I've been into rally driving for about a month now. I've only driven a FWD on gravel, but me and my dad were thinking of taking our WRX to learn to drive it as well. Your videos are really helpful and they helped me enough to understand a thing or two and make me improve, thanks!

  • @mikehosken7461
    @mikehosken7461 Před 5 lety

    Good video, nice explanation of the theory of late braking thru corners. Brake balance front to rear can have a huge impact on just how fast you can corner especially when you can adjust on the fly.

  • @holdenmack1910
    @holdenmack1910 Před 4 lety +1

    Thank you for this video, I play a lot of dirt with a wheel and I love the way the games feel but no matter which one I play I just suck with awd, I can smash courses all day long with group b rwd cars but any time I step into an awd car it's just tons of going off the track from understeer. I never really left foot brake and now I realize that may be an issue. I'm going to start working on it so again, thank you!
    Update: Significant improvement after just taking 7 minutes to watch this video, I could barely stay on the track before, and now I'm ranking globally above 50%!

  • @leamigo2937
    @leamigo2937 Před 2 lety

    I'm in LOVE with your Subaru, man!

  • @pippinosborne2372
    @pippinosborne2372 Před 5 lety

    awesome video, thank you.

  • @ArgueWithTheMajority
    @ArgueWithTheMajority Před 4 lety

    I find it really hard not to favourite many of these videos and I only race cars in simulations. Great teaching material.

  • @narutolop
    @narutolop Před 5 lety

    Thanks for the video!! So awesome!!

  • @rustler1999929
    @rustler1999929 Před 5 lety +1

    get Richard Burns Rally and complete the tests , it teaches how too lift of oversteer, how too heal toe, how to left foot brake and much more! I played it before I had driving licence and it really paid of as the hands get use to the quick moves on the wheel and the legs have a good idea of what to do :)

  • @vahnn0
    @vahnn0 Před 5 lety

    Excellent video!

  • @djmustang000
    @djmustang000 Před 4 lety

    Very interesting videos.
    I'm slowly putting money aside and hopefully in a few years start doing rally myself.

  • @dial555capone6
    @dial555capone6 Před 5 lety

    Love this channel!

  • @AutechB12
    @AutechB12 Před 5 lety +2

    Awesome vid. Do one with rear wheel!!!

  • @armesisp3201
    @armesisp3201 Před 5 lety

    I'd love a driving instructor like him.

  • @codysykes5568
    @codysykes5568 Před 2 lety +2

    One bit of safety advice if you choose to do this stuff on your own, make sure that either someone is with you or knows where you are and what you're doing in case something goes really wrong and you wreck, someone can call the appropriate responders.

  • @Strakos0
    @Strakos0 Před 5 lety +1

    So good
    I want to participiate in your school. That would make a difference in my driving...
    But I am from Europe. So I am ao thankful for your videos and great ability to explain.

    • @heikogrund1211
      @heikogrund1211 Před 5 lety

      Go to Finland. ..there are 10times better schools then this.....

  • @chrisking4515
    @chrisking4515 Před 3 lety

    I love this channel. I'm on Craigslist looking for an older Subaru Impreza.

  • @Harley831
    @Harley831 Před 5 lety

    You guys are awesome!

  • @Fortinni
    @Fortinni Před 5 lety

    Thanks for those kind of video, love to watch them! Very helpfull to ! I want more :D

  • @Federalwaywebbs
    @Federalwaywebbs Před 4 lety

    Thanks for the info. My brother used to hit me if I used my left foot to brake (that’s for the clutch!). It’s a hard habit to break, but obviously it will be worth it.

  • @xoclair3111
    @xoclair3111 Před 2 lety

    I needed this.

  • @jazung
    @jazung Před 3 lety

    Great content!!

  • @benjamminholmes
    @benjamminholmes Před 5 lety +16

    Love the content ever since I found this channel. I've been driving a forklift for work for a little while now, but during that time I discovered that they utilize rear wheel steering. Did some research and found out some cars also use rear wheel steering. It'd be cool to see a video where you explain the concepts and intricacies of that.

    • @danre64
      @danre64 Před 7 měsíci

      Hi mate, just a couple follow-up questions so we are clear on a couple of things:
      1. How long were you driving a forklift before you found out about the steering being from the rear?
      2. What are some classic examples of rear steering cars?

  • @fargknob
    @fargknob Před 4 lety

    Excellent vid

  • @ianlaw1160
    @ianlaw1160 Před 5 lety

    I loved the video!

  • @wallcouldtalk
    @wallcouldtalk Před 5 lety +2

    I started tracking my old B5 A4 this last year and this video really hit the nail on the head about some issues I'm experiencing. I can feel the ABS kicking on in some hard corners. I didn't even think about how much it was probably not helping me. Need to wire in an ABS switch and learn to brake better. Thanks!

    • @JuiceyBeverage
      @JuiceyBeverage Před rokem

      Hope your doing good man it's been 3 years

    • @joshuamandela3852
      @joshuamandela3852 Před 5 měsíci

      I have a b5 a4 as well, would love to hear how you’ve enjoyed the car

  • @MusicStudent1
    @MusicStudent1 Před 4 lety

    Awesome Alt-berg boots at 1:17!

  • @RacingChai
    @RacingChai Před 5 lety +4

    still love to see Wyatt do several laps with full throttle, even he's already done many times in the video before :)

  • @unitram
    @unitram Před 5 lety

    Thank you.

  • @user-kw2dd2jo4j
    @user-kw2dd2jo4j Před 5 lety

    I watch these videos (hope) to get better at dirt rally

  • @hertzz528
    @hertzz528 Před 5 lety

    thank you

  • @hoodrichracing3901
    @hoodrichracing3901 Před 3 měsíci

    So I have an awd converted civic 530hp, been wanting to try a little bit of rally. My question is, since it uses a viscous coupler for the awd, is it bad to pull the hand brake or lock up the front/rear brakes separately?

  • @rura231
    @rura231 Před rokem

    Do you think I'd be able to do this with a 2022 Rex? A video with one would be great! Trying to make a decision on what to buy

  • @picure
    @picure Před 2 lety +1

    Gonna try this on Richard Burns Rally

  • @markthibault8579
    @markthibault8579 Před 3 lety

    Cool video. It would be cool to learn how to rally a FWD car too given that's what I have.

  • @sid-a794
    @sid-a794 Před 5 lety

    Think it will be very interested to show how to do this on a Turbo Forester, in a terms of higher weight point.

  • @Cabuuuse
    @Cabuuuse Před 5 lety +1

    Does team o'neil do give aways for their courses?

  • @bennyboyy7
    @bennyboyy7 Před 5 měsíci

    Would love to bring my wrx to the course, practice and learn what i haven't learned yet. not saying im a genius on this because i have limited experience on back roads (all the ones around me are pretty much straight farm roads) but i know how to handle a vehicle on loose surfaces. As long as i got good tires lol

  • @JuDRuNKa
    @JuDRuNKa Před 3 lety

    I need those sparco special competition boots to get that driving level. It remembers me a video of ayrton senna kicking the throttle of a nsx with sissy fancy shoes but in hardcore mode.

  • @deltaorion4826
    @deltaorion4826 Před 5 lety +2

    Could you make an upgrades sequence list to take a manual car to rally or rally cross?
    I assume you buy better tires before a roll cage, so whats the best bang for buck car mods at different budgets?

    • @codenamecordon
      @codenamecordon Před 5 lety +2

      Not that simple. It depends heavily on the class you’re racing in and the rules they have, among other things. Roll cage may or may not be a requirement. It may or may not be forbidden in some classes. A certain type of tire may be forbidden or required, etc.
      However, some tips from my own experience.
      With any car, start with it being safe and reliable. The benchmark here is passing tech all day every day with not even a worrying thought about whether or not you will pass. The benchmark for reliability is a bit more difficult to define but basically try to get your car to the point where you can complete your weekend without any issues and you’re confident it will do that every single time.
      These two things may take a while and a load of money depending on what you’re starting out with and what you’re doing with the car.
      Then, take a good look at handling, what you need to change or tweak (that includes the brakes, if applicable) and then go for power.
      Of course, weight reduction is mostly free and you can consider it if you don’t daily the car and if the rules allow. Additional lights may come in handy in some cases (rally mostly, probably) and should most likely be done before power mods, etc.
      But again, everything is subject to change (except safety and reliability) depending on the car you have and the type of sport you’re competing in.

  • @streetsnailspeedshop1896
    @streetsnailspeedshop1896 Před 5 lety +2

    Can you possibly do a video on getting started with an automatic awd? I know its not a perfect rally setup but its all some of us have for starters lol

  • @Christosan88
    @Christosan88 Před 3 lety

    For gravel and snow should I do king lifted or king stock height springs? Thank you.

  • @krasavhego
    @krasavhego Před 5 lety +1

    Спасибо, интересное видео, пойду гонять по снегу на своей WRX ловируя между медведями на моноциклах

  • @LuciusNoir
    @LuciusNoir Před 5 lety

    Can you make a video with tips to train left foot braking with manual transmission

  • @ianlarson5313
    @ianlarson5313 Před 3 lety +1

    I guess I have an advantage since I was driving over a decade before I ever had ABS. But how do you left foot brake a manual? I want to know!

  • @FullThrottleLifeClothing
    @FullThrottleLifeClothing Před 5 lety +2

    Could you guys make a video that goes over the logistics of a stage rally event? I'm currently building a car for Rallycross events and plan on refining it into a stage rally car. But I'm not sure about the size of crew I would need, how I would setup/do service (and if it's possible to do with just me and a co driver, no crew). How man tires, spare parts, ect. to bring. Just like an overview for dummies.
    I've also volunteered at a few events but still have a lot of questions

    • @Teamoneilrally
      @Teamoneilrally  Před 5 lety

      We need to do some more in-depth videos, but this is a good start if you haven't seen it yet: czcams.com/video/LuEl_MdmZT0/video.html

    • @FullThrottleLifeClothing
      @FullThrottleLifeClothing Před 5 lety

      I didn't see that video was available. Thank you! It was very helpful @@Teamoneilrally

  • @dionlembut
    @dionlembut Před 5 lety +1

    Man, I really wanna get good in driving.. Long live Wyatt!

  • @wpw4508
    @wpw4508 Před 3 lety

    Looking to get either a Mazda 3 turbo awd or a Genesis G70 awd. Which would rally better?
    Would I crazy to skip the G70's limited slip diff in favor of the lighter and nimbler Mazda?

  • @mlc116
    @mlc116 Před 5 lety +1

    Is that Impreza stock height? Would be cool to get some videos in the future about rally suspensions and snow suspensions.

    • @Teamoneilrally
      @Teamoneilrally  Před 5 lety

      This one is a little taller than stock on Koni shocks, check out czcams.com/video/cVzpoF3S48w/video.html

  • @0riginal835
    @0riginal835 Před 5 lety +20

    Guys, love your videos!
    I have an idea/request.
    Could You possibly maybe review a popular rally game/sim and how it compares to real life?
    Such as Dirt Rally 2, or Richard Burns Rally?
    Many of us only have the possibility to train virtually before we can afford to join your rally school someday

    • @gamingtierce4338
      @gamingtierce4338 Před 5 lety +6

      Dirt Rally 2 is a big improvement over the first one!
      Please review the rally simulators, Team O'Neil!

    • @kinggoten
      @kinggoten Před 5 lety

      @@gamingtierce4338 is there less reuse of track assets? in the first game they reuse the same corner etc a lot its like they put the track together like a puzzle reusing many parts multiple times.

    • @timfrolov7891
      @timfrolov7891 Před 4 lety +3

      Guys gtfo they won't analize your crap, dirt is not even a simulator, it's an arcade! A dirt player can learn a lot by playing beamng if he can't drive irl. But it has nothing to do with this channel. There are already ''pro'' drivers (whatever it means... ) Who tested dirt. Some girl even makes CZcams money by saying she's a pro driver and she quite enjoys dirt

    • @leamigo2937
      @leamigo2937 Před 2 lety

      @@timfrolov7891 🤡

  • @zuilok
    @zuilok Před 5 lety +3

    If you want an all analog AWD car just buy a 96-01 Subaru Justy. They are almost free, parts are cheap and they have no abs or stability control. They also lack both power and grip making them great for learning to brake/weight transfer.

  • @J27M
    @J27M Před 4 lety +1

    4:10 I have a GF8, comes analog as standard (except with abs)

  • @stephenhawkingMLG
    @stephenhawkingMLG Před 5 lety

    Please do a video on how to left foot brake and do heel-toe downshifts. Having a difficult time figuring out when/where to transition from one to the other for max speed thru a corner.

  • @johngourley5966
    @johngourley5966 Před rokem

    So can left foot breaking be a good tool for rwd and also whats the best diff I could have for a rwd rally car on a budget

  • @anguswett
    @anguswett Před 3 lety

    That's one mean bugeye. I'm normally more partial to the blob eyes, but yours doesn't look derpy. Maybe it's you pushing it like a boss!

  • @Sunpresso
    @Sunpresso Před 5 lety

    Can you guys make a video of the re

  • @fkylw
    @fkylw Před 3 lety

    god damn that's a beautiful subi

  • @teemumyyrylainen9247
    @teemumyyrylainen9247 Před 5 lety +2

    Its all about weight transfer , and throttle control with some little break to hold the grip at limit.

    • @kinggoten
      @kinggoten Před 5 lety

      well if you want the back to step out it is about exceeding the grip limit for a very brief moment

  • @c3sarin01
    @c3sarin01 Před 5 lety +1

    do you have any tips for rallying a lancer with sst transmission?

    • @cheshirecynic4524
      @cheshirecynic4524 Před 5 lety +1

      Trade it in for a GSR before that $12,000 TC-SST shells out.

  • @robertgillis2249
    @robertgillis2249 Před 11 měsíci

    Thank you.. I have a utv that I'm working with and wanted to get better at drifting with it.. I'll work on the skills you have presented and let you know how it goes

  • @monibstar
    @monibstar Před 5 lety

    Cool :)

  • @MrYlijumala
    @MrYlijumala Před 4 lety

    Audi has a rear diff which is controlled by ABS. Still worth to disconnect the ABS and lose that traction on corners and getting the car moving?

  • @nickwhite2728
    @nickwhite2728 Před 3 lety

    I'd love to do this stuff with my Impreza but I couldnt let myself do that to the paint job

  • @slackin_2423
    @slackin_2423 Před 5 lety

    Where are you guys at?
    I love my wrx but im only comfortable driving fast on dry and wet asphalt.
    Dirt i understeer alot and snow i get a little spinny sometimes. Abs dont help

    • @Teamoneilrally
      @Teamoneilrally  Před 5 lety

      We're in New Hampshire, check out www.teamoneil.com

  • @Xmvw2X
    @Xmvw2X Před 5 lety +4

    I can't say I've ever found a compelling need for left foot braking. I get the argument of it's value. I've just never found a need in actual driving. I find myself either modulating throttle %, moving to light taps of throttle and brake, or moving into modulating brake %. I run through the range of full throttle to full brake but only work in a region along the breadth that's appropriate for the time. In essence, the only time I personally see use in my own driving is near the zero point where I alternate between light throttle and light braking where it becomes more physical work to move one foot back and forth a pile of times. Back to the speed thing, I can't say I've found need for faster movements than one foot with a car. Even if you're making 3-5 adjustments through a corner, the process is physically lethargic enough to perform the necessary actions with one foot. Cars are big, heavy, slow things, at least the cars most people own. I even race a turboed car with an upsized turbo, and I haven't really found a need use throttle to even keep the turbo spooled. I know there's a counter argument that I'm leaving time on the table by not doing left foot braking, but when my focus is on maximizing tire use, diving line, and car rotation, I'm never really run into a place where I'm going "man, I really need to left foot brake here." I'm sure there's some dependency on the vehicle used, engine and drivetrain packaging, suspension setup, and the course that may influence some of this need.
    For awd driving, I tend to think about very different things, mainly how the awd system influences handling balance, tire grip, and application of both power and brakes. Since it's a linked system, generally variable in modern cars, and with the use or lack of use of limited slip diffs, cars can vary a TON in how they behave based on their awd system. Even the exact same chassis and suspension setup can vary wildly with a different drivetrain and/or diff package underneath, enough so where you're stuck modifying the suspension setup just to rebalance the car. And then you gotta relearn how to drive the thing. Awd systems are so varied that you don't drive two cars the same way. Much of the work in driving an awd system well is understanding the awd package being used and how it manipulates power delivery, wheel speed linking, and and how it puts down power and even braking force. It may be kind of odd to think about an awd system controlling how a car brakes, but for example a Subaru STI 6-speed with the ability to "lock" the center diff has influence on how the brakes are applied. Most cars are set front biased meaning the front locks first and promotes understeer everywhere from light to heavy braking. You either dial this out, or you can fight it some with the awd system. The Subaru center in the locked position will actually counter the bias and allow better braking in the straight and more neutral application of braking in corners specifically because it binds the front braking through the awd drivetrain and actually applies some of the front braking to the rear. Neat, I know. The same binding also promotes understeer on corner entry though, so it's a tradeoff. Awd systems vary so much from all time to on demand. It may be fwd to start and then only send power when the front slips. It may only transfer up to 50% or might be able to do more. What the awd system does on throttle may be different than what it does off throttle or changes what it does between light or heavy throttle. It may incorporate the ABS system to perform traction control and torque vectoring. The resulting effects can make the awd system heavily influential on the handling balance of the car, possibly even swinging wildly from understeer to oversteer. It can be very troublesome unless you have a very good understanding of the system and how it works. At the same time, you need to pay attention to yourself and be very aware of how you're applying inputs. You need to adapt your driving to the awd system used in the particular vehicle and then utilize it as best as possible. That's not an easy feat and generally requires a lot of hours with that awd system in race conditions to really understand it and develop a driving profile that compliments the awd system. And this is saying nothing about the suspension setup, tires, or vehicle being used.

    • @Teamoneilrally
      @Teamoneilrally  Před 5 lety +3

      The real question to ask yourself is: Is it worth taking a step backward to take two steps forward? If you start left foot braking, you'll be worse at driving than you are now for a little while until it becomes natural, then you'll start progressing and be a lot faster in the end. How long will that take? It can take quite a while if you're learning yourself by trial and error. It's more time and work than a lot of people want to commit, especially when you are solid and confident already. That's totally understandable, but don't let anyone fool you, the payoff is enormous. Check out any WRC footage and really analyze what's going on, like czcams.com/video/jpaSTIVe2p8/video.html and really watch how much precision and control you can have over the car's speed and weight transfer... Then imagine trying to do all that work with only one foot, it'd be like trying to juggle with one hand tied behind your back.

    • @Xmvw2X
      @Xmvw2X Před 5 lety +1

      @@Teamoneilrally Indeed. I've certainly considered this. The problem I run into is I've never felt a need for it. For example I heal-toe a lot and find significant need to do so lacking a third appendage that will reach that far. I can justify the idea of learning it to simply learn it just to have the tool at my disposal. However outside of go-karts, I just haven't bothered. Bad on me? I don't know. It's just never seemed like a detriment, but that may be more a byproduct of ignorance that functionality. For example, you covered left for braking in another video and talked about the ability to weight shift and line correct while on throttle. For me, it a question of if that preforms more of a function that slight throttle modulation? For drive by wire, I'm sure it offers better response and fidelity to left foot brake. For a cable throttle car, maybe not, although there is rubber banding thought the drivetrain and mounts that isn't there right at the wheels with the brakes. So yeah, technically the brakes should always yield better control and speed of function. There may be trade-offs to one method or the other. For example left foot braking is at the mercy of the braking bias and even bite and modulation characteristics, even pedal travel, deadzone, and pad kickback that need to be learned and worked with. Then there's variation based on the platform (fwd, awd, rwd) and what it actually does to brake under throttle in each. There's also the consideration of if the car even likes it, let's you, or provides boosting long enough for what you're trying to do. There's a lot of variables and learning that may not translate well across vehicles. Then again, my inexperience may have me overthinking the problem. I tend to consider reliability of function am important part of racing, and I'll adapt my driving style to operations that work well for the car, tires, course, etc. and that I can reliably count on. Sometimes you do weird things just to make the package work optimally, and I'm more inclined to pull out as many variables as I can for reliability of motion.
      Don't mind my babbling. Frankly I agree with you. Leaning the technique is important. I've toyed with it lightly, but I've just never put in any appreciable time. Actual application of it universally, I don't know. I think there's a lot of variables to consider to just say, yes do it because it's better. There may be situations where it's not due to some underlying circumstances.

    • @TristanMorrow
      @TristanMorrow Před 5 lety

      If you can *heel+toe* downshift, you probably _don't_ need left-footed braking. (I've only ever used it when I was recovering from breaking my right ankle (left foot: gas+clutch+brake!) or when I'm feeling lazy.)

    • @Xmvw2X
      @Xmvw2X Před 5 lety

      @@TristanMorrow They're different things. Left foot braking is mainly an on-throttle idea where you get to independently modulate throttle and braking while driving. My argument is mainly towards awd since both are pretty heavily linked through a spectrum, both affecting all 4 tires, and generating some level of accel/decel of the wheels relative to the ground. My experience has me not caring enough to perform this function and instead opt to operate through the spectrum with one foot rather than two, a technically slower operation. There's good arguments towards left foot braking like speed of the ability to transition between throttle and brake or being able to brake while on the throttle (a potential advantage with turbo engines). In practical use, I've personally seldom felt enough deficiency not doing left foot braking to feel I'm leaving much of anything on the table. My list of priorities and influence on time tends to place many other things far above the idea of implementing left foot braking. Contrarily, I've found significant value in heel-toe and a reasonable need to do so in order to accomplish the numerous driving inputs transitioning through a corner. Not heel-toeing tends to generate a moderate loss of time compromising braking into a corner or shifting during or out of a corner. Heel-toe is specifically a tool to overlap two driving functions and perform them at the same and desirable time. Left foot braking is only slightly this, less so trying to perform two functions and more so increasing input changeover speed.
      Left foot braking changes when applied to a fwd or rwd car since throttle only affects two tires while braking still affects all four. In the case of fwd left foot braking, I think this is a FAR more common and a highly valuable function since it's basically providing a good e-brake without needing to remove your hands from the wheel. It lets you modulate weight balance and tire grip in ways you can't achieve without left foot braking, with the closest simile being using the e-brake, which people also do. It's also inherently stable to to perform since you're pulling at the front and dragging at the back. There's a strong desire to be throttle heavy in a fwd car, but you also need a tool to control handling balance, and left foot braking helps. Left foot braking in a rwd would operate a bit different but may serve use with a car of a particular suspension setup and brake biasing. You could make it perform unique tasks to handling and how the car shifts its driving line when used. I'm not sure how much value it offers though beyond application speed.

    • @waynes.2983
      @waynes.2983 Před 4 lety

      @@Xmvw2X sure buddy. How many titles have you won?

  • @warrendurbin8514
    @warrendurbin8514 Před 3 lety +6

    "You can't build a house on a swamp"
    (Shrek has entered the chat)

  • @CyberCreeper22
    @CyberCreeper22 Před 5 měsíci

    fwd or rwd or anything else? what else is there? as an enby Im intrigued

  • @jordanbell4420
    @jordanbell4420 Před 5 lety +6

    Will there be future videos like this for FWD and RWD?
    Also, how do I disable ABS?

    • @n0z4a243
      @n0z4a243 Před 5 lety +14

      Under your hood there is a fuse box, open it up and look under the lid. Find the fuse that says abs and pull it. Done.

    • @kinggoten
      @kinggoten Před 5 lety

      @@n0z4a243 some cars it is under the dash but same idea :P
      **edit also you'll get an ABS light on your dash don't worry about that its just telling you the abs is not working(becuase you pulled the fuse duh).

    • @iCutWaffles
      @iCutWaffles Před 5 lety

      @@n0z4a243 doesnt work for every model... for subarus 2011+ it gives you a check engine, no traction control no abs and less throttle whe you remove that fuse

    • @n0z4a243
      @n0z4a243 Před 5 lety

      90% of cars its under the hood
      No one is going to to use a 2011+ for rally unless it's a built rally car, and then in either the WRX or STI you push the button under the dash. My 2013 STI always has it's track mode on

    • @waynes.2983
      @waynes.2983 Před 4 lety

      @@n0z4a243 pretty stupid & irresponsible to always drive with your car in track mode.

  • @alhx.0
    @alhx.0 Před 4 lety

    I have a 2014 expedition, can I rally with it??

  • @methodandmadness1
    @methodandmadness1 Před 5 lety +2

    How about going a little further into how to hone in threshold braking on loose surfaces. As a driver, you cannot see the wheels lock of course. Just wondering what indicators you use that you are at the limit of braking.

    • @mattslams-windows7918
      @mattslams-windows7918 Před 5 lety

      From my rather limited driving experience and physics knowledge, I may at least tell you that wheels locking up when car is in motion will result in at least one if not usually more wheels skidding, as ur going beyond the traction circle of at least one of said wheels. "Laggy input" from throttle/brakes/steering, vehicle sliding around in unexpected ways, and even loud sounds of screeching or grinding dirt/gravel (depending on driving surface) are all possible indicators that at least one of your wheels has locked up. Hope this helps :)

    • @mattslams-windows7918
      @mattslams-windows7918 Před 5 lety

      Honestly probably one of the easiest ways to find out is to go drive out into an big enough open area with gravel, dirt, or something similar, and just keep alternating between accelerating to a decent speed and then slamming the brakes, and observe how the car reacts. Make sure to be *very* careful with the steering tho; don't want you to roll over in your car lol. Similarly, I would strongly advise against doing such maneuvers in vehicles with higher centers of gravity like SUVs and trucks, as they are more prone to rollover accidents

  • @NotAZombieDontShoot
    @NotAZombieDontShoot Před 4 lety

    Building your house on Ground Zero will nicely blasted ;)

  • @Spiritual_DriverAE101
    @Spiritual_DriverAE101 Před 4 lety

    How do you downshift before a turn while using left foot braking? Do you downshift and engine brake before or while the corner?

    • @Teamoneilrally
      @Teamoneilrally  Před 4 lety +1

      In a race car, there's very little engine braking used, because the actual brakes slow you down so much better. Typically you would come in hot, get on the brakes to scrub speed and rotate, then shift in the corner so you have power for the apex.

  • @backfire9563
    @backfire9563 Před 5 lety

    Is it the stock motor?

  • @hunterhomeservicesracing6453

    What fuses should I pull ,I’ve done abs already

  • @Gandulo123
    @Gandulo123 Před 2 lety

    Rally school?!? Where do I sign up?

  • @rowland.
    @rowland. Před 2 lety

    Is there anyway to get a discount? 😅 All I wanna do is rally but I dont have that much money lol

  • @Coloradoaudits
    @Coloradoaudits Před rokem

    Where are you at and what dose the school charge

    • @Teamoneilrally
      @Teamoneilrally  Před rokem

      We are based in Dalton, NH. Check out, teamoneil.com for more information.

  • @andrewboschmann9880
    @andrewboschmann9880 Před 4 lety +1

    How do I disable the automatic transmission? Any suggestions?..

    • @brandon4391
      @brandon4391 Před 4 lety

      Sorry it’s not patched yet it still stalls your engine occasionally

  • @TheTothtamas
    @TheTothtamas Před 5 lety

    Please make a video why the old wrc-s has a unike turbo flutter. and how to make our street cars sound like a bugeye subaru wrc when off thorthle.(if it possible)

    • @americanball_2841
      @americanball_2841 Před 5 lety

      You don't want that on a street car. Those pops you here are anti lag systems that burn fuel in the turbo to keep them spooled when you let off the gas. These destroy turbos though so don't.

  • @annoythedonkey
    @annoythedonkey Před 4 lety

    Do a video with a dodge magnum AWD.

  • @chiwiitube
    @chiwiitube Před 5 lety

    How do I prepare my VA WRX?

  • @gammalight1312
    @gammalight1312 Před 5 lety

    Neat

  • @taylorforster9256
    @taylorforster9256 Před 3 lety

    The only helper my subaru has is abs for daily driving. I find i can still brake hard without it kicking on. It only likes to kick on when im on ice which is odd

  • @nicoparra1990
    @nicoparra1990 Před 4 lety

    How much is a week at the school?

  • @misi2752
    @misi2752 Před 4 lety

    Do (same size and weight) awd cars need more power compared to a fwd or rwd ones to rally?

    • @Teamoneilrally
      @Teamoneilrally  Před 4 lety

      If you had the same size, weight, and power... The AWD would feel a little slower, just because of the driveline. More moving pieces, CV shafts, differentials, etc.

  • @myo13b
    @myo13b Před rokem

    Finally a vid that explains AWD control well. Thank you

  • @tokkiyoki724
    @tokkiyoki724 Před 4 lety

    yEEt im goin to this school next year

  • @einar5367
    @einar5367 Před 4 lety

    Can you rally a 3000gt?

  • @aHydrasa
    @aHydrasa Před 4 lety

    Is it bad to practice left foot braking in my automatic daily driver?

    • @Teamoneilrally
      @Teamoneilrally  Před 4 lety

      In an automatic car, there's no reason not to LFB all the time. Two pedals, two feet, too easy.