FOUR LITTLE ENGINES (RWS vs T&F) (Spot the Differences)
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- The Railway Series #10
Thomas & Friends: A Bad Day for Sir Handel ~ Peter Sam and the Refreshment Lady ~ Four Little Engines
The soundtrack of this video are cover versions (Mavis M & Francis S) of music composed by Mike O'Donnell & Junior Campbell
Very in depth and complex video here. It's tricky looking over the Railway Series books and any book in general because of the ridgid copyright that covers books. I think of the wording 'based on' The Railway Series that's on everything Thomas & Friends. And maybe we could now say 'very slightly based on' The Railway Series. But looking at many Thomas books the ones that depict the stories with the TV series models are very charming. I like it because the books connect directly to what you see on screen. Very different once the franchise drifted to CGI at season 13. It was from then on the train wreck was starting to become very apparent.
Nice
Make a video on those ladybird books and images
Leokimvideo?! Ur in here?
@@Lily-lr3it yes
Hi leo!!
I love this series! The Skarloey Railway stories feel so different in the TVS without the coaches’ interactions with Sir Handel
Interesting facts. But what I love most is you mixing the recordings of Willie Rushton and Michael Angelis together (Rushton for the characters, and Angelis for the narrator).
This is the finest cocoa.
Mhm
I know right
Yup!
This is Good coco
In Season 4, the sheds were reflected, level to the standard lines (hence the wall), and Skarloey's open sided shed has 2 tracks; apparently the two berth shed would stack the engines 3 per line in the book.
It was stated they gained buffers at the start of #14
They said 'new coaches' as kids likely wouldn't get bogies
The railway has a separate manager (Sir Handel Brown) and controller (Mr. Peter Sam), unlike The Hatt's, (and later Peregrine Percival) The prologue claims the Owner 'too busy' to manage himself
9:05 I never imagined that Henry with Gordon's Face would be such a cursed sight...
"Purple and green"
You mean *blue* and green?
Yeah sir Handel ain’t purple!
I was thinking the same thing! I was about to mention that one! Sir Handel is not purple! He’s dark blue!
@@javielalvarez5459 he’s not dark blue it’s just the reflection makes it look like he’s dark blue
@@thirdgrade6964 but what about season 10?! They mentioned him being dark blue!
@@javielalvarez5459 bruh look at thomas merchandise in twitter his season 4 model is light blue
As cited more recently in The Unlucky Tug's retrospective video of Thomas & Friends' Season 4, the narrow-gauge characters were given individualistic colours for merchandising benefits, as well as making them easier to identify them in relation to colour. Also, the book though it doesn't properly explain it, shows Skarloey and Sir Handel always facing one direction and Peter Sam vice-versa, hence they are pulling their train backwards at times. Regards, Samuel Farris.
9:06 why does henry have Gordon's face
That's my same question every time I watch Peter Sam and the Refreshment Lady.
That’s my question yeah and why dose he have Gordon’s face?
Because they were probably too lazy to put the right face mask on him.
Because he wishes he was Gordon.
I never noticed that until I watched this. I noticed it immediately.
Congratulations for 1k on this Channel, yesterday I had a feeling it was coming out today, what a coincidence.
13:27 Willie Rushton is the best at doing these things, I swear
Another good comparison video. I read somewhere that Sir Handel and Peter Sam didn't have buffers when they were at the Mid Sodor Railway because the line's curves we so tight that their would-be buffers would have locked against the coaches' buffers. You can see in the illustration at 1:36 that they have none, so it wasn't a Dalby error.
When Sir Handel meets Gordon:
In the book he refers to his preferred choice of coaches as bogie coaches instead of smart coaches (TV series). I don't know why this is. Probably because they didn't want to confuse the young viewers by going too technical about carriage design.
This was a beautiful thing to wake up too. Fine work as usual bro!
I know nice and calm
One thing you did miss that was worth noting is that in (A Bad Day for) Sir Handel, in the RWS, the events of the story take place over the course of several days whereas in the TV series, it all happens the day Sir Handel and Peter Sam arrive.
The way the story is laid out in the adaptation somewhat justifies Sir Handel's attitude as he wasn't given the rest that he and Peter Sam were provided in the book. Also, before Sir Handel derails himself in the book, it is stated that it was Peter Sam's turn to work but the Thin Controller made Sir Handel go instead which makes his anger in that situation much more understandable.
I missed seeing these on the original broadcasts - a little thing called working for a living got in the way! Thank you for putting them on - some of the scenes, such as running along the valley, with the lake and hills in the background, are some of the loveliest scenes in the series. As to the buffers - the real 'Peter Sam' and 'Sir Handel' came to the Talyllyn from the then closed Corris railway, where they never had buffers at all. The change, "the owner gave them buffers" is mentioned in the first story in 'Little Old Engine'. The Corris was primarily a slate line (with some passenger services) whereas the Talyllyn is very much a passenger line. Many of the incidents are based, fairly faithfully, on genuine occurrences in the early Talyllyn days - 'Sir Handel's alter ego, 'Sir Hayden' had slightly narrower wheel tyres that proved too sensitive for the TR's utterly worn out track, resulting his being 'shed bound' until the permanent way was brought up to a better standard. In fact, the TR film 'Railway with a heart of gold' includes film of this actually happening, filmed from the leading coach as Sir Hayden goes ballast hunting. Like the books, the films employ a little 'artistic licence' - but who's caring?
I like how TRS kept the continuity in "Duke the Lost Engine" regarding Sir Handel and Peter Sam joining the Skarloey without buffers. Since the book shows that the other engines and rolling stock on the Mid-Sodor didn't have buffers, it made sense that Stuart and Falcon didn't have them, either.
A detail in Old Faithful left out of the adaptation was that Sir Handel was pulling passengers cause Peter Sam needed repairs.
TV: Red red blue green orange yellow red brown
RWS: RED RED RED RED black RED RED brown
Sir Handel and Peter Sam and the Refreshment Lady are set before Four Little Engines hence Rheneas appearing
I love your spot the difference videos!🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃
4:34 Peter Sam And Sir Handel From Thomas The Tank Engine And Friends The Original Series Are A Both Like Bert And Ernie From Sesame Street. Thanks Mate. X
The Thin Controller in the Railway Series was known as Mr Peter Sam, not Mr Percival in the TV Series. And the owner is Sir Handel Brown, the Browns built and own the land of the railway, but they leave Mr Sam to run it. Also, Sir Handel Brown is an in-law to the Fat Controller.
Fun fact: The paddle-steamer at the Lakeside station is the repurposed model of OJ from TUGS.
Oh my God you have no idea how much I love these videos and I can't wait to see the next one
@dave dude there's a reason why this channel is made that's Jeffrey kistch this is his second CZcams channel that's why these videos for re-uploaded to hear instead of his original one
You know when I first saw sir Handel and Peter Sam and Duncan in red I thought those were completely different characters
I thought Talyllyn was pronounced "tally-thin."
Lol
I legit just tried pronouncing it like that and...you're half right?
I'm pretty sure it is
@@russellgxy2905 I know, I couldn't figure out to spell out the nunciation correctly
I thought it was talli-flynn
It took long enough but the wait was worth it.
TIme for a very long comment, regarding the events which inspired some of the goings-on in this book.
Sir Handel's self-inflicted accident (06:38) was partly based on some occurrences involving Sir Haydn (his basis) when it and Edward Thomas (Peter Sam's basis) arrived on the Talyllyn in 1951. As Talyllyn (the engine - Skarloey's basis) originally had a fixed 8ft wheelbase (the rear two wheels weren't on a swiveling bogie), the line had to be laid at a slightly wider gauge than the 2'3'' it is now (something like 2'3.5") to allow Talyllyn to get round the corners.
Both Talyllyn and Dolgoch (Rheneas' basis) had wide wheel rims to counter the slightly wider gauge, but Sir Haydn and Edward Thomas, having come from the Corris Railway (which was gauged at an actual 2'3'') didn't. Thanks to this, and the poor condition of the track at the time, Sir Haydn constantly derailed, including in one instance famously captured on film and featured in "Railway with a Heart of Gold".
As a result, the engine was confined to the sheds for the best part of two years as it could not be operated safely, leaving Dolgoch, and later Edward Thomas (which I believe was lighter than Sir Haydn) to run the line - hence why Peter Sam is running the line all by himself.
By 1953, the line had been re-gauged to a true 2'3" and the track condition improved, which allowed Sir Haydn to run without derailing. When it was next overhauled, Talyllyn's rear wheels were modified to swivel, shortening its fixed wheelbase to just the driving wheels and allowing it to run on the re-gauged track. It was around this time that Awdry visited the railway - his time volunteering there and subsequently including it in The Railway Series (as the SR and as itself) brought a boost in patronage to the line. The incident in "Peter Sam and the Refreshment Lady" is famously based directly on one when Awdry was a volunteer guard on the TR and a train departed before a refreshment lady (likely from Abergynolwyn's tea room) had time to board, although Awdry, who has the guard, admitted that was his fault rather than the engine's!
I volunteered on the TR for a month in 2019 - it was a fantastic time and I picked up a lot of stories from people whilst there, including the ones about Sir Haydn and Awdry. The actual Sir Haydn nowadays is much better behaved than Sir Handel was (at least, now).
The reason that line of dialogue was not included is because is sounded two more romantic which wouldn't make sense since Thomas and Friends is a kids show
You forgot to mention another error Duncan is in the episode but he’s not supposed to be because the story takes place before Home at last
Peter Sam and the refreshment lady
9:06 Henry has Gordon's face
Well welcome back. I love this!
I love that your channel is named after one line of dialogue
The coaches with Peter-Sam and the refreshment lady
Skarloey remembers all the gates and stiles
There are 4 little engines
I'm glad you have made a new video because I was thinking that you would never make a new video but, you prooved me wrong. Yay! 😄
Sir Topham Hatt: I'm banishing you to the shadow realm.
Sir Handel: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sir Topham Hatt: Much better! >:)
Yes! Another one
You keep saying Sir Handel is purple? I always see dark blue
The continuity of rheneas being see is just like the Marclen engine.. they needed extra engines to make the scenes interesting
I personally like to think that engine is Jennings, a Mid-Sodor Railway engine that looks a lot like Rheneas, and that he was brought to work on the Skarloey Railway, but was privately owned, which meant that he mostly worked by himself.
Your channel is awesome and keep up the good work and I very enjoy your videos
Everyone's talking about the purple and green but no one is saying how it was MENTIONED T W I C E
"unlike his *purple* colligue"
Brilliant as always, a much needed pick me up 👍👍
Here we go for the skr and talyflyn railway
Season 4 would flow a lot better if "Four Little Engines" and "A Bad Day for Sir Handel" were switched. Also, my DVD puts "Rock 'n' Roll" before "Home at Last" for some reason.
Nice
All the Skarloey Railway steam engines were painted red with blue lining in the Railway Series. However, in order to make it easier for the viewer to identify each engine from one another, they were all given different colors.
9:05 oh look, it's gor- you know what? Nevermind
He has got Gordon's face
@@hulksterish I know, that was a joke you know...
Can you please do a spot the Difference on Percy the small engine
He’s back
9:52 that’s the one tug from Tugs!
Rip Oj
I found a Goof. When Peter Sam arrives at the station where Henry is at he had Gordon’s face.
This sounds like the Thomas and Friends narrator's voice of Rev. Wilbert Awdry or Christopher Awdry
Great ur back
4:32 That was unexpected!
I was so interested in this
Then he said sir handel was purple
Yay!! A knew video of TV series vs railway series!!!
...why did Stuart and Falcon get renamed to Sir Handel and Peter Sam?
It's based on their Talyllyn counterparts Sir Hadyn and Edward Thomas. They were originally Corris Railway 3 and 4, but had no names, so when Sir Handel and Peter Sam were given backstories to match with a history at the Mid Sodor Railway (as a counterpart of the Corris Railway), they were given fitting names Stuart and Falcon, based on their builders Kerr Stuart and Falcon Works, respectively.
As for why they're named Sir Handel and Peter Sam, that's in honor of Sir Handel Brown, the Skarloey Railway's Owner, and Mr. Peter Sam, the Thin Controller.
How did you arrive at Sir Handel being purple? He isn't owned by Cadbury's, he's certainly blue.
He made a mistake read his comment,
@@adamtheblueberry Ah alright. No such comment was there when I first watched this. Oh well.
Does this mean Charlie, Billy's brother, is owned by Cadbury?
@@evanclarke5561 Probably. They owned at least 2 smaller engines that look like they came from the same builder as Percy.
What are the real events for old faithful?
I thought Sir Handel was blue...?
Why is the sound panned to one side when Willy Rushton starts talking?
Great Percy the small engine next please when your ready also the book did feature thanks to the Talyllan railway
3:39 large scale angry sir Handel’s face
8:06 I'm banishing you to the shadow realm
Are people from England color blind?? Sir Handel is clearly blue!
Not to be direspectful, but Sir Handel is not purple. Instead, he's sapphire blue, which remained unaltered in the TV series so that it was easier for children to tell the narrow gauge engines apart. This principle was also applied to Peter Sam (forest green), Duncan (yellow ochre), Rusty (orange), Duke (russet brown), Rheanas (vermillion) and Skarloey (scarlet).
4:32 nice censor.
Sir handle in the the shed reminds me of the I’m banishing you to the shadow realm meme lol
I didn't know Terence The Tractor was on Four Little Engines on the Thomas and Friends TV series instead of the book
10:39
Sir Handel is blue, not purple
I agree with you that sir handle is blue not purple, because he looks blue to me as well. But I'm not upset with The Finest Cocoa. The Finest Cocoa probably just misunderstood, so he might have just made a accidental mistake.
“Purple and Green” 3:43
SO COOL
Sir Handel: I'M BLUE NOT PURPLE beside mighty mac is purple
Mighty Mac are blue as well 😂
I think sir Handel is dark blue not purple
Will it take 4 months to do Percy the small engine
Winter is coming and feel like meatballs and the finest batch of tart cherry juice
5:29 bogey coaches
3:46 care to explain
do book 15 please
Out Gordons Gordon ☺
Small railway engines
Any UK or British Rail references in this book?
Talyllyn railway in Wales
Duncan made a cameo.
Sir Handel's blue, not purple.
Sir handel is blue
Do the little old engine book 14 please
Sir Handel is blue, not purple man grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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8:30 he’s blue not purple 😂
and why he ourple 😂
Sir Handell is BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!
13:27 XD
I'm guessing you will skip the nineteen and twentieth book and head to main line engines book due to the stories not being adapted in the show. Correct?
Do really usefull enginesbook
*engines book
How is Talyllyn pronounced? I hear it pronounced either Ta-lee-lin or Ta-lee-thlin but now I hear Ta-lee-clin. Does anyone know?
Talachlyn - 'll' in Welsh is pronounced 'chl'
Sir Handel is blue not purple lol
Why are you going to do three little engines
Color of engines station is different and Peter sam and henry look different Henry is in the actual shape of the black 5
sir handel is blue not purple
I remember this channel it had 500 subs back then and now it has 1k
The original video was made by Jeffrey Kitsch btw
The finest cocoa sir handel is not purple!! He is blue!!!!
sir handels not purple he’s a dark blue