I remember back in 1990 Sporting Clube de Portugal was in financial ruin. Our stadium was falling apart, we hadn't won a championship since 1982 and the team was in shambles with players forcing the transfer. Futre our academy superstar fled to Porto and Fernando Mendes also an academy player everyone said was going to be our captain fled to Benfica. With Portugal becoming U21 world champion, Sporting decided there the youth had to save the club. Figo, Peixe, Jorge Cadete, were immediately into the first team. It was this generation that prevented the club from worsening its already chaotic situation and set a tradition at the club of calling young players that showed potential. Young players must be given the chance to succeed. Its not easy and the integration must be wisely managed but it is the best way to manage. There would be no Nani or Cristiano Ronaldo without Figo, Capucho, Peixe, Luis Boa Morte, Cadete, and other players that climbed the ranks setting an example and showing young players it is possible. Its possible but ONLY if the club trully invests in the youth.
Very well said. Didn't know that about Sporting. Portuguese clubs have an excellent track record of promoting from the academy and putting faith in their youth system. Celtic have completely lost their way in that regard.
@@allanbrown8394 pretty reductive, nonsensical argument. They have produced players of the ilk of Callum McGregor and Kieran Tierney though, with both players by far and away significantly better than anyone else in the current squad. Not to mention the likes of James Forrest and Aiden McGeady. If you don't take genuine strides to promote youth players and give them significant first team chances they'll all just leave as is happening currently. We may not have a 'Luis Figo' that doesn't mean we don't have players with genuine potential to be quality footballers.
Brilliant video, when Ange didn’t play Rocco Vata at all in the final post split games last year I accepted the pathway to the first team is non existent
he got injured got taken in second half of a game with pulled hamstring when he was best player on pitch he even missed out on the youth cup final so cant blame ange
Postecoglu was a disgrace in terms of youth team promotion. Always favoured players he signed no matter how dross they were. Totally killed any possible chance of keeping Ben Doak to play Maeda every game who on a technical level is an absolute dogshit footballer.
@@Jwp67 quite frankly the talent of the players, Ronnie gave kt and Cal their starts as players and we are fortunate for that but seeing this current youth team a few times you’ve got Daniel kelly and then there’s a drop off, don’t get me wrong we should have a couple around the squads every week
Scottish boys don’t want to play in Scotland .. especially when they don’t get the opportunities. England is on our doorstep and that’s where EVERY single young boys wants to go and play
I was delighted to see you mention Afolabi, Irish people now say going to Celtic is a disaster. Afolabi went from Southampton to Celtic when doing great for their under age, got no chances bar a few loans and he's doing class with my local side Bohemians including a cup final and just shy of European football. Luca Connell doing well with Bolton as a 17 year old, went to Celtic and it set him back a few years of development.
As a Wednesday fan I was there for urhoghide and Shaws breakout season and its such a shame what happened to them. Shaw had all the makings for a class box-to-box midfielder and he just rotted at Celtic until the spark seemed to die.
Not talking down your club or the level they play at all but watching both in games for Celtic they were far off the desired level shaw looked okay at best but urhoghide looked far off the standard
Hi mate. Great work. It was a very interesting subject but beyond that it was well presented and kept my attention throughout. Looking forward to seeing more of your projects!
I personally seen Kara from a very early age at most levels fromtime to time , Celtic in my opinion didn't give him enough game time, McCourt much the same , we seem , Celtic to have come away unfortunately from giving ball playing talent a chance, we seem as well as other spl sides going for the strong athletic one touch player who happens. to be good at football instead of encouraging flare , to justify this statement and I am 71, I can't think of one player ib Scotland i would get our my bed to warcg and that's sad
Great video. Nice to see a fan be this honest and look beyond the short-term excitement of the latest big money (relatively) buy. Enjoy your work. If you ever need a hand with footage, I have a decent collection and would be happy to send stuff. 👍
as a rangers fan i feel that we are the same here, our talent barely gets a look in and when they do, they end up going for smaller fees than what they are worth imo. this hurts us as we cant have many homegrown talent in the european squad which makes the overall squad smaller and puts us at a disadvantage
Excellent video - I think one of the ways forward would be to implement a certain number of homegrown players in starting 11's because having them in squad doesn't see to have worked (they just get named in the squad and never played. However, I understand teams would not be keen as it may be deemed a 'weakening' of their team - but if all teams had to do it then it would at least give the best prospects a chance.
Rangers are needing to celtic don't but its sad to see how bad our youth system has became dembele doak ect sitting with folk like.carse and vata in the B team
The current transfer model doesn’t fit with a conveyor belt youth setup. Every foreign player we bring in with potential with a view to develop for sale (the current model since 2012-13) puts a potential youth player further down the queue for first team action. No wonder these bhoys are heading elsewhere.
The club should be reducing the amount of players they sign, spending higher fees on a smaller pool of higher quality players and promoting players from the youth system to fill out the first team squad. Players like Iwata, Taylor, Kwon, Kobayashi, bernabie and Yang are absolutely nowhere near Celtic standard. Absolute waste of money the combined fees of which could probably sign a 1 or possibly 2 higher quality player. Players from the academy really couldn't do much worse.
Ireland fans have started to notice this trend and have given celtic a bit of a reputation as a graveyard for young players. Afolabi, O'Connell and Lee O'Connor all seemed to regress during their time at Celtic. I think a lot of irish people would prefer to see Vata and Lawal leave the club. Even Scales (not academy but bought young and unproven outside of Ireland) seemed to only get his chances through circumstances. Looked like he wouldn't make it at Celtic for a while. Completely agree on Mikey Johnstone btw. I know lots of Celtic fans don't rate him at all but based purely on his international performances, that guy is extremely talented. I still think there's Mcgeady level potential in him.
Agree Celtic need to improve with youth players but guys like O’Connor, Johnston, Lawal & Afolabi just aren’t good enough. O’Connor was poor on loan at thistle, Afolabi average in the Championship, Lawal poor any time he’s played in pre-season or when I’ve seen him for B, Johnston no improved since he was about 17 (had a good game today though).
As a Leeds fan I see what you mean about young players wanting to play in England over the border like I look at our u21 and we have loads of Scot’s and Eddie gray one of our best players we quite literally got from Celtic as a youth player who couldn’t break into their first team
We’re producing bang average Scottish premiership players. Ralston would struggle to get in any Scottish Premiership side in the country what has our youth system been teaching him with that limited ability
Summers struggled a bit at Dunfermline. He did have a recurring injury but looked worse than the excellent Otoo who we signed permanently from Celtic B. I think Otto will move onto a higher level, can play full back, centre half and in midfield.
Lets deal with Mikey Johnston. Injury has nothing to do with him not establishing himself in the first team, it's because of his inability to make the right choices. There have been so many occasions in games where moves have broken down with him, due him losing the ball carelessly or running out of ideas, running into cul de sacs. This has happened far too often! He has been given plenty of opportunities to show that he has what it takes to be a first team regular, and he has always failed! Take the recent Hibs game, here he was given a start. What did he do when he had the ball, virtually nothing! One or two flashes and then allowing moves to break down with him, as they invariably do. It is interesting to note that he has hardly been seen since, even among the subs! In short he is not good enough. He has some skill, but he is essentially, a five a side footballer.
You do understand that part of a youth development program is to help improve weaknesses in a young players game, Celtic absolutely failed to improve Mikeys decision making skills.
As a Barnsley fan, Celtic have definitely made a mistake with Luca Connell. Ill be extremely surprised if we keep him very long, especially if we don't win promotion from league one. Incredible footballer, if he doesn't have injury issues there's certainly no reason he wouldn't be able to play in the premier league.
This isn't a uniquely Celtic problem, a lot of europe's big clubs are completely unwilling to take the risk and "play the kids". Look at what happened to Barca, they got caught up in superstar signings, lost the "Barca Way", were forced to sell half a dozen financial levers, and let multiple talented youngsters leave. While recently they have given minutes to Yamal, Balde and Gavi (would also list Pedri but he is technically not a Barca academy player, he came through Las Palmas). They let players like Ezzalzoui walk, and never gave chances to Fati after his injury, instead inexplicably shelling out 50m for Ferran Torres, who is objectively worse than him in every conceivable way. And Barca, compared to other clubs, isn't doing that bad with youth. Which is sad. Teams need to be more willing to give youngsters minutes, even if it's just off the bench against weaker teams. Just to see if they have something
yep. so much shit is on the line that most clubs will not take a punt on kids unless they are performing immediately which given the age can be hard for a kid to do
This is the reason why celtic n rangers dont do well outwith scotland though, too many players who dont have a clue yet claim they love the clubs 😂 definitely time for a homegrown rule
If you're a manager of one of the biggest clubs in the world and your employment status is dependent on results, it makes sense why your mindset would be to play teams that you think gives you the best chance of getting those results. It makes less sense to become a children's charity just to pander to those fans who have a nostalgically idealistic view on how football used to be and complain because they want it to return to something it never was.
@@symptomofsouls having a few youngsters in the squad due to injuries doesn't make him the shining light of youth development. And Newcastle haven't consistently been at that level long enough yet for that to be considered. Rebuttal in summary: Crystal Palace would've been a better shout
I do feel a good solution the league can do is with 9 subs, surely a 2 of them can be homegrown under 21s. Still allows all teams 7 senior subs, then you've got 2 kids there for experience that can impress should the right scenario emerge. So many other leagues around the world have certain restrictions to protect their own.
I did my bit for Celtic on Football Manager... didn't manage them, but I signed an 18 year old from them for £40m! People called me crazy, but I brought him into the Real Madrid 1st team almost immediately and he was my captain 3 years later. He'd have gone on to break goalscoring records if it hadn't been for injuries later on. Remember the (newgen) name, Gary Burns!! 😂
The best way to develop youth is having an U23 squad that plays in a lower division, so that you have an intermediate step between academy and first team. In Italy we have a couple clubs who do it and my club is also planning it for next year. You can also call the more talented ones and give them a chance but it's not very efficient cause apart from the wonderkids like Yamal,musiala etc. For the rest its gonna be tough to get consistent playing time. Juventus for example has got so many kids out of their u23 like Huijsen,Fagioli,Iling jr, yildiz,etc. So if you want to maximise that it's the way to go, cause in the U23 it will be the perfect enviroment with lots of playing time against lower division professionals.
we buy so many project players and are now trying to fully exploit the Asian market (Korea and Japan)* and so young players have to compete against the project players too😢 I think it's for the best if Welsh goes to Italy and I'm worried about Vata as well * and I have a feeling that Dermot and co would prefer to exploit the Asian market more over developing our academy (for the marketing, branding, etc)
I agree. They definitely do want to exploit it because the players are cheap, which increases the chances of profiting from sales at minimal risk which is Celtics favourite frugal model and as you say they get to build the brand while they do it. They'll sit back and happily take the fans money and smile as the club is embarrassed year after year in whatever european competition they end up in because they're all making money which is all they care about. Wouldn't give that board a penny.
Same at Rangers. Lowry looks like our best homegrown attacking midfielder since Ian Durrant but he's being slowly pushed out the door. We're not only crap at producing players, we don't produce coaches either. Maybe a wee look at the ultimately disappointing period of youth development under Advocaat featured in the 'My Blue Heaven' TV series would make a good video. Keep up the good work.
Ben Doak wasn’t a failure at Celtic) I’m a Celtic fan and I seen the greatness in him and same with the others see if you have unreal talent in the youth team use them in a friendly and A few start games of the season and a cup games if I was the manager at Celtic
@@joshua49586 Which is ridiculous considering Celtic always win the league with very little competition and usually blow teams out by 3-5 goals every other game. So why won't they "risk" playing their young guns 10-15 times a year against shitters like Ross County where they'll just win anyway? Doesn't make much sense.
@@calvinbaII I know right but every time we play ever team they play like there life’s depended on it and the refs are always against us) But aye we should be playing them in low games like Ross county Motherwell but not like sevco or hearts bec that’s just a big match up
Tranmere Fan here, What did you guys think of Ross Doohan and Lee O'Connor? Both did well on loan at our club and didn't get any chances upon returning to Celtic. Now we have had O'Connor for over 3 years and he has become one of our better players, whilst Dohan made over 50 appearances as our first choice.
Going to sound crazy but I feel teams who made their bread and butter off developing talent is now falling apart. A lot of youth talent is being snatched by bigger clubs. It’s not possible for clubs like a Celtics or Ajax to even get a chance at young player so it leads to them having to develop local talent. Which is now limits their talent pool hugely. A young Suarez likely skips Ajax and goes to Liverpool. Not like Celtics and pay high wages. They might as well combine Scottish Prem with EPL
I would agree with you. With the amount of money in the game now, the gulf between medium and giant clubs is enormous. I'm a Dortmund fan and our record signing cost €35m... Such is the competition for young players were either priced out (Kotchap, Viega, Simons) or can only keep them for 2 or 3 seasons max (Haaland, Jude, Pulisic). I firmly believe the downfall of clubs like Ajax, BVB to an extent, and the struggles Celtic are facing here are due to financial imbalances in the game. Clubs with billions now dwarf clubs with millions who have very fixed budgets.
going to the most well known club for youth development on earth and going to celtic are hardly the same prospect for a young player lol lets not lump them together like that
Dunfermline fan here, apart from Lewis McCann. Ewan Otoo and Owen Moffat, both former Celtic youth prospects have been our best and most consistent performers this season. Also Ben Summers, before injury, was excellent is well.
9:50 The SPL is regarded as one of the lowest standard of football, the old firm should be playing more youth players as the 2 biggest clubs in Scotland evan with youth players Celtic rangers would still be the only teams winning that league. Let's be honest the SPL is a non competitive league! That's fact, no team outside the old firm have won that league in 40yrs
Just worry about young lads like Vata who have alot of potential, really he needs to be loaned to another SPFL side then be let into the 1st team, but the problem is rhe board spends on wingers from abroad who sometimes work like Jota abada and meida but then it stunts youngsters
Dembele ripped young xavi simmons when they faced Barcelona he was the stand out player, no game time, leaves shows his strength of his character by going to france noe he is wowing the blackpool fans with his skill and trickery
Scottish young lads don’t get the chance to develope ready made foreign players have been coming in over 30 years now in my day every top club in England had at least 3 Scots in the first side.
Scotlands' best youth players are in English academies. The SPL is losing ground, and Celtic's become a farming club for relatively obscure nationalities prospects.
@@HiiB3RNI4N Ah right, thought it would have been something like that. They still got him young though didn't they? I could definitely just Google this but fuck it haha.
So true man wasting talent too often n signing foreign projects which are a hit and a miss look at robertson n hickey they were on celtics books n we lost them they have turned out to be great players Need to sign proper first team players instead of projects and use out own academy players as the project players for the first team only way to give these boys a chance to show what they can do
I would have let every player you highlighted leave ahead of the players in the first team apart from Doak. Doak leaving was a no brainer for him personally, there was no way Celtic could offer what Liverpool could. I would take 1st team winning over picking youth every time, those guys were all significantly poorer than Postecoglu's first team. We need proper reserve leagues back over B teams in lower divisions
I'm not suggesting the young players should just waltz into the starting 11. But when it becomes apparent that they have outgrown the Lowland League, as is he case with Rocco Vata now, then they need to be put on the bench and brought on for minutes at a decent level, otherwise they will never realise their potential.
@@flashbackfootball1367you cant claim that the lowland league us too low quality fornthe players in one sentence, then say that they figures they put up in that league should be enough to force their way into the first team. B team should be 16-19, with any stand outs getting offered out to championship, lower premier league teams
@@jordanb5254 It's too low quality for the players who are good enough or have high potential to be playing in week in week out. Like Ben Doak or Dylan Reid who felt that would have been too low a level for him. I think more sensible use of loans would be a good solution as this has worked well in the past.
You answered your own question by saying that these players are playing lower levels than celtic and are only OK players in the championship. I'd love more academy bhoys but not at the expense of them winning the league.
Glad to see him make his debut! Hope he is given a proper run in the first team and not just forgotten about as has happened too often in the recent past.
Ralston seen nothing more than a back up to Johnston. That's because, he has proved himself to be nothing other than that. Defensively is very suspect, particularly when facing opponents in Europe. He may be an option against the likes of St Johnstone and the like, but that is as far it gets.
we would be as well scrapping the youth set up. we dont use it, its just a waste of money currently, and additional heartbreak everytime you see a morrison or doak go to bayern or liverpool.
Some generally are not good enough , coaches have never been great either , Celtic can’t afford to put a 16 year old on during league games as they always want to win, it’s not worth the risk, over recent years there’s been about 20 have moved abroad or to English clubs
You know your academy is bad when Ben Doak has had more first team minutes for my club Liverpool than he ever did at Celtic when we have salah who plays in his position that to me should be Celtics biggest wake up that a player they had is currently getting game time at Liverpool he should be starting for you lot every week
We need a reserve league. At celtic if you ain't in the team or on the bench you get zero action that week, no chance to test some youngsters or bring others back from injury
Rangers have tried to start this for years, yet the corrupt celtic minded spfl board always go against it, effectively screwing every scottish team and the national team
Too much money between the league. Celtic n rangers buy players to win the league and compete in europe. Compare to motherwell Dundee utd etc who HAVE no other choice to play youth
Scotland shouls be full of Scottish talent , outwith the old firm , there's no money ! Young boys shouldn't be leaving to sign for city and liverpool , to be sent out on loan to lower leagues . They arent given enough opportunities. Then again the amount of young players, youd think had it all , disappear - harry cochrane at hearts looked gifted, wheres he now ? The national team are the same though , boys like ben doak should be in the squad atleast ( when fit) another example - calvin ramsey , flying at Aberdeen playing first team football, out on loan at preston amd another young english player has taken his opportunity and impressed at liverpool at right back ! We have a good national squad just now, whos coming through though ?
The problem is you dont get the right experience being brought on with 20-30 minutes to go... We should be starting the developing players and subbing them off when we are desperate. Imagine a fresh kyogo and hatate coming on at 70 minutes, what game isnt recoverable this way?
Unless you’re playing in a game involving the top two clubs in Scotland, the atmosphere, crowds and financial rewards are far better even in a top L2 club in England. If you can’t talk English, have got dreadlocks or an X or a V or a Z in your name, my recommendation would be to get out of the top few clubs in Scotland.
I agree such hysteria over young players rarely ends well but I also still think Lennon has to take some blame for him not reaching his potential - he needed minutes and Lenny didn't give them. And I don't buy this that he was way below the standard, at the end of the season he came on and scored against st Johnstone in 11 minutes. Of course there are other factors, like his injury. He's only 20 mate, and is currently impressing at Blackpool so he has plenty of time to develop into a good player which I personally believe he will.
It's no coincedence that Celtic stopped relying on youth again once Rangers got back into contention. They are so scared to lose a single title to Rangers that they are losing young talented players. What a shame.
Yesterday Olivia Mcstay made her debut from the Academy for Celtic Women, age 15 1/2. Alongside players from USA, China, Spain, France, and Morocco. So it’s not all doom and gloom and there is room for breakthroughs.
yeve not spoke about the fact theres a massive jump between youth team. there is no longer a proper reserve league in the SPL as most other first teams will have those players in their first team squad. you havent even offered a solution or reason here. The managers n coaches will decide if they are good enough for our first team or not and give them game time but not ahead of first team players who deserve/need game time or when matches are important which is pretty much all games now. Youve pointed out the obvious once the player gets to the point they need game time against stronger opposition they will leave for a top team elsewhere and play in their reserve league but am not sure what your point is 🤷🏽
I made the point several time, give them more of a chance in the matchday squad coming off the bench rather than always signing squad depth options. That in my opinion could be the solution. You get five subs nowadays plenty of opportunity to give the young lads who deserve it the chance to develop. Better use of loans would also be an option. As I mentioned Adam Montgomery who did well at St Johnstone last season and doesn't look any worse than bernabei but was sent off to Fleetwood this year to rot. To me it doesn't make any sense. And, I think it wouldn't be as much of an issue in my opinion if we were still signing Scottish talent from other SPFL teams.
thats not a solution. theres too big a jump from development stage to first without a reserve league, other league or stronger opposition. the first team is the first team for a reason. we have 25 players that are all good enough to start in SPL and hopefully for european games. Thats why we buy older players from other acadmies now. yeve not spoke about anything like.
I disagree, I think if they're good enough they could make the jump in time. And how does buying older players from foreign academies help us to have homegrown players with a connection to the club?
it doesnt but its the model of the club to make money because we dont have thay middle ground for young players to develop. so you think you know better than the manager/coach about the quality of our youth players?
Lol obviously not. I just refuse to believe that they are all complete mince and would just shite themselves in fear and forget how to kick a ball in the face of the might of Livingston, Ross County or st Johnstone as you are suggesting.
IMO we need to stop offering “jobs for the boys” and employ actual academy coaches, rather than just giving ex players the chance to do their badges.
you are so so right..these have been my own thoughts for many years,well spoken..hail hail..
I remember back in 1990 Sporting Clube de Portugal was in financial ruin. Our stadium was falling apart, we hadn't won a championship since 1982 and the team was in shambles with players forcing the transfer. Futre our academy superstar fled to Porto and Fernando Mendes also an academy player everyone said was going to be our captain fled to Benfica. With Portugal becoming U21 world champion, Sporting decided there the youth had to save the club. Figo, Peixe, Jorge Cadete, were immediately into the first team. It was this generation that prevented the club from worsening its already chaotic situation and set a tradition at the club of calling young players that showed potential. Young players must be given the chance to succeed. Its not easy and the integration must be wisely managed but it is the best way to manage. There would be no Nani or Cristiano Ronaldo without Figo, Capucho, Peixe, Luis Boa Morte, Cadete, and other players that climbed the ranks setting an example and showing young players it is possible. Its possible but ONLY if the club trully invests in the youth.
Very well said. Didn't know that about Sporting. Portuguese clubs have an excellent track record of promoting from the academy and putting faith in their youth system. Celtic have completely lost their way in that regard.
Only issue is the club doesn’t have players of the quality of Figo, Ronaldo etc.
@@allanbrown8394 pretty reductive, nonsensical argument. They have produced players of the ilk of Callum McGregor and Kieran Tierney though, with both players by far and away significantly better than anyone else in the current squad. Not to mention the likes of James Forrest and Aiden McGeady. If you don't take genuine strides to promote youth players and give them significant first team chances they'll all just leave as is happening currently. We may not have a 'Luis Figo' that doesn't mean we don't have players with genuine potential to be quality footballers.
Brilliant video, when Ange didn’t play Rocco Vata at all in the final post split games last year I accepted the pathway to the first team is non existent
he got injured got taken in second half of a game with pulled hamstring when he was best player on pitch he even missed out on the youth cup final so cant blame ange
Postecoglu was a disgrace in terms of youth team promotion. Always favoured players he signed no matter how dross they were. Totally killed any possible chance of keeping Ben Doak to play Maeda every game who on a technical level is an absolute dogshit footballer.
One thing we cant knock Ronnie Deilla for...is his faith in youth.
Easier to do so with no proper competition in the league we really should’ve used that time to give more boys a chance
@@WhyAlwaysMe1888Barcelona do it every year why can’t we?
@@Jwp67 quite frankly the talent of the players, Ronnie gave kt and Cal their starts as players and we are fortunate for that but seeing this current youth team a few times you’ve got Daniel kelly and then there’s a drop off, don’t get me wrong we should have a couple around the squads every week
@@WhyAlwaysMe1888Ben Doak is starting European games for on of the best teams in the world but still never get into our SPFL squad.
Scottish boys don’t want to play in Scotland .. especially when they don’t get the opportunities. England is on our doorstep and that’s where EVERY single young boys wants to go and play
Feel like from an English academy Scotland looks a bigger dream than young Scotsman themselves
Pish
@@John-gx2rythere are loads of examples of Scottish kids going to England to play, can you name many English that go up to Scotland in comparison
Only Irish/NI players go to play in Scotland ahaha
Don't even support Celtic, but this is a great piece of work
I was delighted to see you mention Afolabi, Irish people now say going to Celtic is a disaster. Afolabi went from Southampton to Celtic when doing great for their under age, got no chances bar a few loans and he's doing class with my local side Bohemians including a cup final and just shy of European football. Luca Connell doing well with Bolton as a 17 year old, went to Celtic and it set him back a few years of development.
Great video! Do one on Vladimir Romanov's insane stint as Hearts owner, those were our banter years 😂
Fancy seeing you here Trunter!
Hertz fans walking about wae wee russian hats and Craig Thomson molesting children in the stands...the gorgie way 💀
@@LailandiAdventuresSame goes to you!
As a Wednesday fan I was there for urhoghide and Shaws breakout season and its such a shame what happened to them. Shaw had all the makings for a class box-to-box midfielder and he just rotted at Celtic until the spark seemed to die.
Not talking down your club or the level they play at all but watching both in games for Celtic they were far off the desired level shaw looked okay at best but urhoghide looked far off the standard
Celtic should never have signed them, they were panic board signings as we didn’t have a manager and needed a rebuild
Nonsense he was never at the level needed for us
Loving the content. Just found this channel today. You just don’t see this much professionalism and quality on Scottish football usually. Hats off sir
Hi mate. Great work. It was a very interesting subject but beyond that it was well presented and kept my attention throughout. Looking forward to seeing more of your projects!
I remember karamoko destroying hickey on his debut.... Amazing how different their careers have gone since then
I personally seen Kara from a very early age at most levels fromtime to time , Celtic in my opinion didn't give him enough game time, McCourt much the same , we seem , Celtic to have come away unfortunately from giving ball playing talent a chance, we seem as well as other spl sides going for the strong athletic one touch player who happens. to be good at football instead of encouraging flare , to justify this statement and I am 71, I can't think of one player ib Scotland i would get our my bed to warcg and that's sad
Great video. Nice to see a fan be this honest and look beyond the short-term excitement of the latest big money (relatively) buy. Enjoy your work. If you ever need a hand with footage, I have a decent collection and would be happy to send stuff. 👍
The way Celtic handled Karamoko Dembélé was an absolute travesty
Not in the slightest, the boys attitude stinks
Mickey Johnson ,we have been hearing how amazing he is for about 15 years now
as a rangers fan i feel that we are the same here, our talent barely gets a look in and when they do, they end up going for smaller fees than what they are worth imo. this hurts us as we cant have many homegrown talent in the european squad which makes the overall squad smaller and puts us at a disadvantage
At least youve produced mccausland recently
Excellent video - I think one of the ways forward would be to implement a certain number of homegrown players in starting 11's because having them in squad doesn't see to have worked (they just get named in the squad and never played. However, I understand teams would not be keen as it may be deemed a 'weakening' of their team - but if all teams had to do it then it would at least give the best prospects a chance.
Rangers are fielding a non Scottish starting 11 in some games now and Celtic no one seems to be coming through really is hurtful to see this happen 💔
Not anymore bud new manager like playing young Scott’s
Rangers are needing to celtic don't but its sad to see how bad our youth system has became dembele doak ect sitting with folk like.carse and vata in the B team
@@davidcraig9538yeah because players like Mcausland or however you spell it are hungrier than the awful players that the new manager has to work with
@@davidcraig9538 yes a youth player but he isn’t Scottish
There are about 8 youth players recently plying their trade in engerlund soooooooooooo .........dts
The current transfer model doesn’t fit with a conveyor belt youth setup.
Every foreign player we bring in with potential with a view to develop for sale (the current model since 2012-13) puts a potential youth player further down the queue for first team action.
No wonder these bhoys are heading elsewhere.
The club should be reducing the amount of players they sign, spending higher fees on a smaller pool of higher quality players and promoting players from the youth system to fill out the first team squad. Players like Iwata, Taylor, Kwon, Kobayashi, bernabie and Yang are absolutely nowhere near Celtic standard. Absolute waste of money the combined fees of which could probably sign a 1 or possibly 2 higher quality player. Players from the academy really couldn't do much worse.
@@lancevance585 Totally agree but I do feel Iwata is probably a good signing.
Interesting video mate. Can you do one on the disaster at Motherwell
Hopefully rocco vata gets a shout soon, fantastic player
By the sounds of things he's not renewing his deal so he'll be gone in January. He would've been loaned out if he re-signed
Enjoying the Scottish content 👍🏻
Ireland fans have started to notice this trend and have given celtic a bit of a reputation as a graveyard for young players. Afolabi, O'Connell and Lee O'Connor all seemed to regress during their time at Celtic. I think a lot of irish people would prefer to see Vata and Lawal leave the club.
Even Scales (not academy but bought young and unproven outside of Ireland) seemed to only get his chances through circumstances. Looked like he wouldn't make it at Celtic for a while.
Completely agree on Mikey Johnstone btw. I know lots of Celtic fans don't rate him at all but based purely on his international performances, that guy is extremely talented. I still think there's Mcgeady level potential in him.
Spot on I really hope bosun lawal leaves, the lads got spades of potential but won't get a sniff next season
Agree Celtic need to improve with youth players but guys like O’Connor, Johnston, Lawal & Afolabi just aren’t good enough. O’Connor was poor on loan at thistle, Afolabi average in the Championship, Lawal poor any time he’s played in pre-season or when I’ve seen him for B, Johnston no improved since he was about 17 (had a good game today though).
Luca Connell is the mad one to me. He was as good for Barnsley last year as O'Riley was for MK & they wasted him
As a Leeds fan I see what you mean about young players wanting to play in England over the border like I look at our u21 and we have loads of Scot’s and Eddie gray one of our best players we quite literally got from Celtic as a youth player who couldn’t break into their first team
great video, as a fellow Celtic fan i fully agree with you
Great vid future success for this channel incoming
We’re producing bang average Scottish premiership players. Ralston would struggle to get in any Scottish Premiership side in the country what has our youth system been teaching him with that limited ability
Love you Celtic video, so good
Summers struggled a bit at Dunfermline. He did have a recurring injury but looked worse than the excellent Otoo who we signed permanently from Celtic B. I think Otto will move onto a higher level, can play full back, centre half and in midfield.
Lets deal with Mikey Johnston. Injury has nothing to do with him not establishing himself in the first team, it's because of his inability to make the right choices. There have been so many occasions in games where moves have broken down with him, due him losing the ball carelessly or running out of ideas, running into cul de sacs. This has happened far too often! He has been given plenty of opportunities to show that he has what it takes to be a first team regular, and he has always failed! Take the recent Hibs game, here he was given a start. What did he do when he had the ball, virtually nothing! One or two flashes and then allowing moves to break down with him, as they invariably do. It is interesting to note that he has hardly been seen since, even among the subs! In short he is not good enough. He has some skill, but he is essentially, a five a side footballer.
Totally agree. Not good enough.
You do understand that part of a youth development program is to help improve weaknesses in a young players game, Celtic absolutely failed to improve Mikeys decision making skills.
As a Barnsley fan, Celtic have definitely made a mistake with Luca Connell. Ill be extremely surprised if we keep him very long, especially if we don't win promotion from league one. Incredible footballer, if he doesn't have injury issues there's certainly no reason he wouldn't be able to play in the premier league.
This isn't a uniquely Celtic problem, a lot of europe's big clubs are completely unwilling to take the risk and "play the kids". Look at what happened to Barca, they got caught up in superstar signings, lost the "Barca Way", were forced to sell half a dozen financial levers, and let multiple talented youngsters leave. While recently they have given minutes to Yamal, Balde and Gavi (would also list Pedri but he is technically not a Barca academy player, he came through Las Palmas). They let players like Ezzalzoui walk, and never gave chances to Fati after his injury, instead inexplicably shelling out 50m for Ferran Torres, who is objectively worse than him in every conceivable way. And Barca, compared to other clubs, isn't doing that bad with youth. Which is sad. Teams need to be more willing to give youngsters minutes, even if it's just off the bench against weaker teams. Just to see if they have something
yep. so much shit is on the line that most clubs will not take a punt on kids unless they are performing immediately which given the age can be hard for a kid to do
This is the reason why celtic n rangers dont do well outwith scotland though, too many players who dont have a clue yet claim they love the clubs 😂 definitely time for a homegrown rule
If you're a manager of one of the biggest clubs in the world and your employment status is dependent on results, it makes sense why your mindset would be to play teams that you think gives you the best chance of getting those results.
It makes less sense to become a children's charity just to pander to those fans who have a nostalgically idealistic view on how football used to be and complain because they want it to return to something it never was.
@@benjammin9471 rebuttal: Eddie Howe
@@symptomofsouls having a few youngsters in the squad due to injuries doesn't make him the shining light of youth development. And Newcastle haven't consistently been at that level long enough yet for that to be considered.
Rebuttal in summary: Crystal Palace would've been a better shout
Great video mate
I do feel a good solution the league can do is with 9 subs, surely a 2 of them can be homegrown under 21s. Still allows all teams 7 senior subs, then you've got 2 kids there for experience that can impress should the right scenario emerge. So many other leagues around the world have certain restrictions to protect their own.
Daniel Kelly is probably the next big hope but again with his position it’s not as likely he makes it through
Great vid mate
I did my bit for Celtic on Football Manager... didn't manage them, but I signed an 18 year old from them for £40m!
People called me crazy, but I brought him into the Real Madrid 1st team almost immediately and he was my captain 3 years later. He'd have gone on to break goalscoring records if it hadn't been for injuries later on.
Remember the (newgen) name, Gary Burns!! 😂
The best way to develop youth is having an U23 squad that plays in a lower division, so that you have an intermediate step between academy and first team.
In Italy we have a couple clubs who do it and my club is also planning it for next year.
You can also call the more talented ones and give them a chance but it's not very efficient cause apart from the wonderkids like Yamal,musiala etc. For the rest its gonna be tough to get consistent playing time.
Juventus for example has got so many kids out of their u23 like Huijsen,Fagioli,Iling jr, yildiz,etc.
So if you want to maximise that it's the way to go, cause in the U23 it will be the perfect enviroment with lots of playing time against lower division professionals.
Welsh meets the homegrown quota, that’s it.
I went to see one of the youth games when karamoko was playing Warra player shame Lennon didn't fancy him
youth program must be implemented in all the club for this to be a success.
we buy so many project players and are now trying to fully exploit the Asian market (Korea and Japan)*
and so young players have to compete against the project players too😢
I think it's for the best if Welsh goes to Italy and I'm worried about Vata as well
* and I have a feeling that Dermot and co would prefer to exploit the Asian market more over developing our academy (for the marketing, branding, etc)
I agree. They definitely do want to exploit it because the players are cheap, which increases the chances of profiting from sales at minimal risk which is Celtics favourite frugal model and as you say they get to build the brand while they do it.
They'll sit back and happily take the fans money and smile as the club is embarrassed year after year in whatever european competition they end up in because they're all making money which is all they care about. Wouldn't give that board a penny.
Same at Rangers. Lowry looks like our best homegrown attacking midfielder since Ian Durrant but he's being slowly pushed out the door. We're not only crap at producing players, we don't produce coaches either. Maybe a wee look at the ultimately disappointing period of youth development under Advocaat featured in the 'My Blue Heaven' TV series would make a good video. Keep up the good work.
Ben Doak wasn’t a failure at Celtic) I’m a Celtic fan and I seen the greatness in him and same with the others see if you have unreal talent in the youth team use them in a friendly and A few start games of the season and a cup games if I was the manager at Celtic
If you're referring to the use of failure in the thumbnail, that's aimed at the club's handling of the players and not the players themselves!
@@flashbackfootball1367 all I’m saying is that look at some clubs they take there chances but Celtic don’t take chances in there youth team
seen the greatness in him 🤣🤣🤣 shut up man
@@joshua49586 Which is ridiculous considering Celtic always win the league with very little competition and usually blow teams out by 3-5 goals every other game. So why won't they "risk" playing their young guns 10-15 times a year against shitters like Ross County where they'll just win anyway? Doesn't make much sense.
@@calvinbaII I know right but every time we play ever team they play like there life’s depended on it and the refs are always against us) But aye we should be playing them in low games like Ross county Motherwell but not like sevco or hearts bec that’s just a big match up
Tranmere Fan here, What did you guys think of Ross Doohan and Lee O'Connor? Both did well on loan at our club and didn't get any chances upon returning to Celtic. Now we have had O'Connor for over 3 years and he has become one of our better players, whilst Dohan made over 50 appearances as our first choice.
Going to sound crazy but I feel teams who made their bread and butter off developing talent is now falling apart. A lot of youth talent is being snatched by bigger clubs. It’s not possible for clubs like a Celtics or Ajax to even get a chance at young player so it leads to them having to develop local talent. Which is now limits their talent pool hugely. A young Suarez likely skips Ajax and goes to Liverpool. Not like Celtics and pay high wages. They might as well combine Scottish Prem with EPL
I would agree with you. With the amount of money in the game now, the gulf between medium and giant clubs is enormous. I'm a Dortmund fan and our record signing cost €35m... Such is the competition for young players were either priced out (Kotchap, Viega, Simons) or can only keep them for 2 or 3 seasons max (Haaland, Jude, Pulisic). I firmly believe the downfall of clubs like Ajax, BVB to an extent, and the struggles Celtic are facing here are due to financial imbalances in the game. Clubs with billions now dwarf clubs with millions who have very fixed budgets.
going to the most well known club for youth development on earth and going to celtic are hardly the same prospect for a young player lol lets not lump them together like that
As a Pars fan thanks for Ewan Otoo
Dunfermline fan here, apart from Lewis McCann. Ewan Otoo and Owen Moffat, both former Celtic youth prospects have been our best and most consistent performers this season. Also Ben Summers, before injury, was excellent is well.
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The SPL is regarded as one of the lowest standard of football, the old firm should be playing more youth players as the 2 biggest clubs in Scotland evan with youth players Celtic rangers would still be the only teams winning that league.
Let's be honest the SPL is a non competitive league! That's fact, no team outside the old firm have won that league in 40yrs
there was something that the youth coaches of the 60s & 70s at celtic inserted in the young lads maybe thats whats missing at celtic now
Dembele was dreadful in a reserve match against rangers at Parkhead. Not the player he looked at 16.
Great video from a Rangers fan
Just worry about young lads like Vata who have alot of potential, really he needs to be loaned to another SPFL side then be let into the 1st team, but the problem is rhe board spends on wingers from abroad who sometimes work like Jota abada and meida but then it stunts youngsters
great video...hail hail..
Welsh is being used. Great video. The club are broken Lawell out!
Are the b teams still bsnned from being promoted??
Need to: "Fundraise, for":
"7 a side:_ pitches" etc.!?!!??
-M.K.S. (For: "Youth_Development!!"!!)!!??
You'd need the league to set caps on Foreign players before Celtic, or Rangers, look at Youth as a genuine option.
Dembele ripped young xavi simmons when they faced Barcelona he was the stand out player, no game time, leaves shows his strength of his character by going to france noe he is wowing the blackpool fans with his skill and trickery
TOMMY BURNS BE TURNING IN HIS GRAVE WHATS HAPPENING WITH THE YOUTH SET UP
Liverpool are playing Young Doak hes just injured just now.
This has been known amongst Ireland fans for a while since Celtic have had a good few Irish players & they'd no clue what to do with any of them
They look a lot better than what they have now
Ben Doak was always going to leave - but that's because, much like Dylan Reid, it was clear he might not get a game for Celtic.
Scottish young lads don’t get the chance to develope ready made foreign players have been coming in over 30 years now in my day every top club in England had at least 3 Scots in the first side.
They look alright to me
He choose England over Scotland that’s the problem why he was let go and abundant (karamoko)
UNFORTUNATELY TOO TRUE...TO LOSE THE LAD TO LIVERPOOL AND HIM TO GO STRAIGHT INTO THERE 1ST TEAM..BEN DOAKES
How was he not into our team ...unbelievable
Scotlands' best youth players are in English academies. The SPL is losing ground, and Celtic's become a farming club for relatively obscure nationalities prospects.
Welsh Ralston McGregor Forrest Johnstone. Please tell me how many other too European clubs have 5 youth team products in their first team lol
Let’s be fair both old firm clubs are producing no Scot’s whatsoever.It’s a joke when they keep buying cheap foreign crap on top of it
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its not about play time or "bigger clubs"
its about the money 🤑🤑💰💰
Liam Morrison too.
Burt as well
Did Evander Sno come through the Celtic academy or did they sign him? He was a beast for me in Footy Manager 2008 haha.
Was signed from Feyenoord
@@HiiB3RNI4N Ah right, thought it would have been something like that. They still got him young though didn't they? I could definitely just Google this but fuck it haha.
@@roryslaine7896yeah I think he was 19 or 20 years old when we signed him
So true man wasting talent too often n signing foreign projects which are a hit and a miss look at robertson n hickey they were on celtics books n we lost them they have turned out to be great players
Need to sign proper first team players instead of projects and use out own academy players as the project players for the first team only way to give these boys a chance to show what they can do
Have to agree on Dembele, thats a massive dropped ball by Celtic
I would have let every player you highlighted leave ahead of the players in the first team apart from Doak. Doak leaving was a no brainer for him personally, there was no way Celtic could offer what Liverpool could. I would take 1st team winning over picking youth every time, those guys were all significantly poorer than Postecoglu's first team. We need proper reserve leagues back over B teams in lower divisions
I'm not suggesting the young players should just waltz into the starting 11. But when it becomes apparent that they have outgrown the Lowland League, as is he case with Rocco Vata now, then they need to be put on the bench and brought on for minutes at a decent level, otherwise they will never realise their potential.
@@flashbackfootball1367you cant claim that the lowland league us too low quality fornthe players in one sentence, then say that they figures they put up in that league should be enough to force their way into the first team. B team should be 16-19, with any stand outs getting offered out to championship, lower premier league teams
@@jordanb5254 It's too low quality for the players who are good enough or have high potential to be playing in week in week out. Like Ben Doak or Dylan Reid who felt that would have been too low a level for him. I think more sensible use of loans would be a good solution as this has worked well in the past.
You answered your own question by saying that these players are playing lower levels than celtic and are only OK players in the championship. I'd love more academy bhoys but not at the expense of them winning the league.
Can see the same happening with MacKenzie Carse
McCausland at Rangers clearly going to be a top player. A McGeady type we don't have.
Same thing happening at Rangers. They have lost players to clubs in England.
Mitchel Frame now another name to add to the list
Glad to see him make his debut! Hope he is given a proper run in the first team and not just forgotten about as has happened too often in the recent past.
Ralston seen nothing more than a back up to Johnston. That's because, he has proved himself to be nothing other than that. Defensively is very suspect, particularly when facing opponents in Europe. He may be an option against the likes of St Johnstone and the like, but that is as far it gets.
we would be as well scrapping the youth set up. we dont use it, its just a waste of money currently, and additional heartbreak everytime you see a morrison or doak go to bayern or liverpool.
main thumbnail guy looks like Josip Ilicic
WAIT THAT IS DOAK!?
All let go and not one sell-on clause. Sad to think the academy’s roots go back to the Lisbon Lions.
We produce a player every decade if we are lucky.
Some generally are not good enough , coaches have never been great either , Celtic can’t afford to put a 16 year old on during league games as they always want to win, it’s not worth the risk, over recent years there’s been about 20 have moved abroad or to English clubs
You know your academy is bad when Ben Doak has had more first team minutes for my club Liverpool than he ever did at Celtic when we have salah who plays in his position that to me should be Celtics biggest wake up that a player they had is currently getting game time at Liverpool he should be starting for you lot every week
We need a reserve league. At celtic if you ain't in the team or on the bench you get zero action that week, no chance to test some youngsters or bring others back from injury
Rangers have tried to start this for years, yet the corrupt celtic minded spfl board always go against it, effectively screwing every scottish team and the national team
Too much money between the league. Celtic n rangers buy players to win the league and compete in europe. Compare to motherwell Dundee utd etc who HAVE no other choice to play youth
Don't worry, J-League is their real youth academy
The reserve league needs brought back, youth I'm with pros will learn quicker
Scotland shouls be full of Scottish talent , outwith the old firm , there's no money ! Young boys shouldn't be leaving to sign for city and liverpool , to be sent out on loan to lower leagues . They arent given enough opportunities. Then again the amount of young players, youd think had it all , disappear - harry cochrane at hearts looked gifted, wheres he now ? The national team are the same though , boys like ben doak should be in the squad atleast ( when fit) another example - calvin ramsey , flying at Aberdeen playing first team football, out on loan at preston amd another young english player has taken his opportunity and impressed at liverpool at right back ! We have a good national squad just now, whos coming through though ?
The problem is you dont get the right experience being brought on with 20-30 minutes to go...
We should be starting the developing players and subbing them off when we are desperate. Imagine a fresh kyogo and hatate coming on at 70 minutes, what game isnt recoverable this way?
Unless you’re playing in a game involving the top two clubs in Scotland, the atmosphere, crowds and financial rewards are far better even in a top L2 club in England.
If you can’t talk English, have got dreadlocks or an X or a V or a Z in your name, my recommendation would be to get out of the top few clubs in Scotland.
Mate Karamoko Dembele hasnt lived up to expectations. You cant blame Lennon for that. Blame the media for hyping him so much at such a young age.
I agree such hysteria over young players rarely ends well but I also still think Lennon has to take some blame for him not reaching his potential - he needed minutes and Lenny didn't give them. And I don't buy this that he was way below the standard, at the end of the season he came on and scored against st Johnstone in 11 minutes. Of course there are other factors, like his injury. He's only 20 mate, and is currently impressing at Blackpool so he has plenty of time to develop into a good player which I personally believe he will.
It's no coincedence that Celtic stopped relying on youth again once Rangers got back into contention. They are so scared to lose a single title to Rangers that they are losing young talented players. What a shame.
Just as well the 1st team are motoring. 🙃
Yesterday Olivia Mcstay made her debut from the Academy for Celtic Women, age 15 1/2. Alongside players from USA, China, Spain, France, and Morocco. So it’s not all doom and gloom and there is room for breakthroughs.
Why are most Rangers and Celtic coaches fans of the Club?
Is that a coincidence or are they the best coaches for kids
yeve not spoke about the fact theres a massive jump between youth team. there is no longer a proper reserve league in the SPL as most other first teams will have those players in their first team squad.
you havent even offered a solution or reason here. The managers n coaches will decide if they are good enough for our first team or not and give them game time but not ahead of first team players who deserve/need game time or when matches are important which is pretty much all games now.
Youve pointed out the obvious once the player gets to the point they need game time against stronger opposition they will leave for a top team elsewhere and play in their reserve league but am not sure what your point is 🤷🏽
I made the point several time, give them more of a chance in the matchday squad coming off the bench rather than always signing squad depth options. That in my opinion could be the solution. You get five subs nowadays plenty of opportunity to give the young lads who deserve it the chance to develop. Better use of loans would also be an option. As I mentioned Adam Montgomery who did well at St Johnstone last season and doesn't look any worse than bernabei but was sent off to Fleetwood this year to rot. To me it doesn't make any sense. And, I think it wouldn't be as much of an issue in my opinion if we were still signing Scottish talent from other SPFL teams.
thats not a solution. theres too big a jump from development stage to first without a reserve league, other league or stronger opposition. the first team is the first team for a reason. we have 25 players that are all good enough to start in SPL and hopefully for european games. Thats why we buy older players from other acadmies now. yeve not spoke about anything like.
I disagree, I think if they're good enough they could make the jump in time. And how does buying older players from foreign academies help us to have homegrown players with a connection to the club?
it doesnt but its the model of the club to make money because we dont have thay middle ground for young players to develop.
so you think you know better than the manager/coach about the quality of our youth players?
Lol obviously not. I just refuse to believe that they are all complete mince and would just shite themselves in fear and forget how to kick a ball in the face of the might of Livingston, Ross County or st Johnstone as you are suggesting.
Callum McGregor??