This Track Saw Accessory Might Replace Your Table Saw | Deep Dive
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Full sheets of plywood…either 4' x 8' or 5' x 5"… are hard to manage accurately on a table saw. In this 13 minute video Jeff Farris shows you how a track saw and Woodpeckers Parallel Guide System team up to make sheet good cutting safer and more accurate.
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CONTENTS OF VIDEO:
0:00-0:37 Intro
0:38-1:51 Why Track Saw
1:52-7:12 PGS Setup
7:13-8:28 Adjustable Track Square
8:29-10:07 Make Crosscut
10:08-11:29 Repeatable Cuts
11:30-13:23 Short Rips
13:24-14:00 Closing
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I admire this man's passion, no criticism. I've worked several decades in carpentry and furniture building; used all the expensive machinery . . . then decided one day - no more. I have two 18" tool bags that carry all my equipment including a drill, circular saw and router; if it doesn't fit in those bags, then I don't use it. I have a knockdown bench that house's my circular saw in a table saw format. I have a 4 foot and 8 foot straightedge piece of plywood for guiding my saw. It all fits comfortably in my vehicle. I've never fallen short of tool necessities, and have always completed the job to a very high standard. The real challenge, but also the real pleasure, of woodworking is doing the job well without $20,000 worth of tools.
I agree alot of these finish carpenters and cabnet makers have more tools than brains. And I also do agree that it had been done well before all these fancy tools and done to a very high quality that is. But sometimes these more expensive tools makes the difference in the way of efficiency instead of a "must have to do the job". But myself work out of a 6 ft by 6ft by 6 foot tall small cargo trailer and I've done all kinds of amazing projects I'm proud to have my name on with just the necessary tools, and just a couple fancy onesto make me more effiecent. Cause time is money
Well a large part of any hobby for a lot of people is the tools/supplies. Anyone with a hobby has their way of approaching and maintaining and growing it. Different strokes type thing I suppose.
the author does like to from scratch, shaping and trimming wood from large blocks into fine finished products. czcams.com/users/postUgkxD-QRFQz730FJEh4f9BYSf-nkIMIC9hL_ as another reviewer mentioned, most projects require a lot of high-dollar equipment that most of us dont have the room or budget for. But, knowing how to do these things, even if we wont be able to practice the full stack project, is still great.
Now I know I need table saw! Thanks!
I could not imagine all that trouble to avoid using a precise table saw
@@drewyoung2102 What about when your table saw does not have the capacity to perform a cross cut? Like me, my max cross cut is 32" on my table saw.
The thing to remember is the real value of this system - even with the setup time - is for those of us that have a limited space that cannot accommodate a big table saw and outfield. I'm working in one bay of a 3 car garage. I often have to set up and take down each day and sometimes even each step. I don't do remote work like at a job site but I can see a similar value for transport etc. I'd most certainly have the big table saw and outfeeds as a preferred choice but if that is not possible, this is excellent!
I was considering this as an addition to my portable work center which includes a track saw, table saw, SCMS and router table. I was thinking maybe I could leave the table saw in the trailer most of the time. I'm glad I watched the video, this looks awesome for when it's just me putting around, but this seems too fussy for use in the field.
Your videos are so well done! Thanks for the inspiration. Here I was, just looking for reviews on adjustable T-squares, but now I'm sorely tempted to take out a loan and build the woodshop I've always wanted.
Hi there, I think for a hobbyist this is a good way to go. For someone who doesn’t have a table saw and no room for one it fits the bill. An excellent honest presentation with all the features shown and no effort to hide the setup time. Your company produces well made (expensive) tools and I enjoy watching your videos.
Best Regards
Fred Thomas
You're a natural instructor! That was great, thanks very much! 👍
good god I could just wait for my toddler to grow up and help me with that sheet on my table saw.
It looks like a real pita to set it up.
@@johnhubbard3399 If you are at a job site, it's better then a table saw. Plus you can pack it up each day and take it home (reduce theft). If you are in a shop, you just never break it down. I can see its uses. Esp if you are location or space constrained.
@@TheRealMafoo If it was $30 you would have a point, but it is literally more expensive than a portable table saw. Just buy one of those and take it home everyday and save yourself the setup and take down times.
@@danniaction Or use a tracksaw.
Obviously, in a shop you can always set up support rollers to handle big stuff on a table saw, but i can see why some will want this product instead.
I have an older track guide with built in clamps that has a base that attaches to a circular saw. I just dedicated a circular saw to this set up so that the base is always attached to that saw and just use it with the track. It does as good a job as a table saw with sheet goods and I would be finished with all the cuts you're looking to make here long before you finished setting that up.
I was curious so I watched, now I'm pleased to see that there's absolutely no end to the inconvenience. Remember that name WOODPECKER'S ! ! !
I initially owned the Festool parallel guides. When Woodpeckers first came up with their product (and you didn't need a 2nd mortgage to buy a sheet of plywood), it seemed like something worthwhile. Never mind the metric/imperial difference, the Woodpecker has a far more precise method of setting the width of cut. The fact that it knocks down and stores in a systainer means I no longer need to devote precious wall space to hanging the Festool. I have never regretted getting the Woodpecker.
Same here. I haven’t used the Festool guides since I got the woodpeckers
Did you consider the TSO system? I'm leaning that way myself and would like to know what others think about it.
I can't lift a sheet of 3/4" ply, not to mention maneuver it on a table saw. This tool worked great for me to break down sheets of plywood with minimum waste, especially the 8'-long pieces. I agree that the cost of buying this tool is high, but after building a few built-ins, it suddenly doesn't seem so bad compared to the cost of hiring someone. I also used this tool to cut dadoes using a makita router guide + track. Once it's all set up and calibrated, the cuts are fast and precise, as long as the stops are tightened properly. Woodpeckers, you are welcome for the free ad.
This is pretty slick. Too bad it costs $600. I made a 4' and an 8' "track saw" out of scrap plywood that works great. The only cost to me was buying the non-skid tape that I put on the underside so I don't have to clamp it down. Works like a charm and cost me 1/4 of what a track saw does INCLUDING a new Dewalt circular saw.
I've made my own circular saw guide as well, as used double sided tape on the bottom with then decided to upgrade to Festool and Woodpeckers. I'll take Festool and Woodpeckers anyway! 😂
@@ThriftDiving Dumb. The amount of money you spent I purchased a Craftsman King Seeley power tool combination set The Ultimate power tool combination set ever made. I am not spending any money this eye candy.
I really enjoyed your presentation. Very professional and concise. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Great content. Very thorough and well explained. Thanks much.
Wow that is awesome. I had seen these and they did not seem like I needed them. But you just showed me that I was wrong. They are incredible. Thank you Jeff. I will be buying the set soon. Woodpeckers are me place to get the best.
Well I bought 'em and they arrived today. And I am excited. Wow they are just like all other Woodpecker's items. NONE finer! Thanks to Rich Hummel (owner and Genius) and Jeff Farris (Instructor Extraordinaire). It doesn't get any better than that.
pat dee..... you are the typical.."MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" EAGER TO BUY AND BUY USELESS GEAR.
Under Dunn (CZcams) made a track saw guide and a set of these about a year ago for about an eighth of the price. I built them using his plans and they work very well.
The guide rails just clamp to the saw guide. Once calibrate initially it remains calibrated and is quick to set up and use.
Great session!!! Thank you!
Your the best, Jeff. wonderful teacher
Great demo, great tool. My Festool track saw is the most useful piece of equipment I ever bought!
This kit is more an exercise in engineering than an alternative solution to a problem, i.e. a need for a square cut.
Overall, complexity for complexity's sake.
As was your reply!
Whew! The system is complicated and has too many nicy nacky parts to assemble and adjust, The concept is good but needs some user-friendly engineering.
The calibration is a one-time thing, and he was painfully slow going about it - but this is a training/demo video.
It isn't that frickin' good. I have one similar to that, and it isn't very handy except to hack up plywood sheets into something I can carry to the table saw.
Just thinking the same thing.....and the price. No thanks
@@drrckhamilton $479.99 ouch..
@@pd417
Yeah!!!! I'll pass lol
And here, I've been using a simple straight edge, two clamps, and running my saw along the edge. I've been wasting 3 minutes of my time when I could have spent $400 to $500, and 20 minutes. Oh, I'm such a fool.
you're destroying the chinese economy!!
Great video, learned a lot I did not yet know about my parallel guide.
Glad it was helpful!
"Honey that was a good breakfast, see you after dinner, I'm going out in the shop to make 1 cut on a sheet of plywood."
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LOL. Exactly what I was thinking..
What do you want for your birthday in two weeks? This video took longer than cutting some wood. My project is finished.
Well, it is LONG and slow, because it was made UNDERSTANDABLE enough!
But the versatility and precision of the concept is there.
No shit, talk about taking forever to make one cut. This Woodpecker shit is way overpriced and for people that are just complete idiots.
I’ve been using mine for about a year and love it. I do accurate narrow rip cuts on maple, etc as well as plywood. This capability helped me avoid buying and making room for a table saw. I keep a couple of lengths pre-assembled in the top drawer of my husky for quick access.
Thanks for sharing!
BUT for the price of a portable saw !!😳
i love it keep up the quality for us quality wood workers
Great Video, shout out from the UK.
As a hobbyist I'll never be able to afford any of these, especially the $1K track saw, but I do enjoy watching these videos.
You can make a track saw using some quarter inch thick plywood and any circular saw you have.
The only down side is cutting something longer than right ft.
I have been using this method for over thirty five years.
I bought a cheapo Scheppach track saw for €130, fitted a decent blade & I was away... 🤗
😎👍☘️🍺
@@jimsenior403 That's how I made my bookcases. Came out fine. I have a small shed and a patch of good 'ol mother Earth as a workbench.
The only problem I see with that is that no one can afford a sheet of plywood anymore.
If you are selling stuff price it in.
Can't afford this either. What makes Woodpecker worth that much money?
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@@cabman86 It's not. But they're made in America rather than sourced out to China, hence the high cost. This is a silly product though, for people with more money than sense
@@tonkatoy200 Nah. The markup is absurd! There's no way it costs them even a quarter of the retail price to manufacture, even in the USA! Extrusions are cheap to manufacture, which is why you find them everywhere. It probably costs no more than $50 per unit to manufacture including the anodizing and packaging. They are catering to hobbyists who are retirees with a lot of disposable income.
This is the best explanation I have seen on how to use a system. There is a lot of moving parts but the explanation is so clear that I already learned how to use it after watching this video.
The only thing I learnt was not to buy one.!!
@@RubberontheroadIndonesia that was another class. This was the “how to use it class”.
I learned that there are really idiots that buy these crap hahaha.
@@dewaltxr7628 Let me know when you learn how to write.
@@robertocortez4869 i wonder how u read my reply...hehehe...i may not be able to write but im not an idiot like some who replied....you should just ask for a race...ur jig vs table saw hehe... The last to finish will admit he is an idiot. Jehehe
I bought this when it first came out. I wish this Deep Dive would have came at the same time. This system is GREAT!! Very accurate and makes repeatable cuts to perfection. GREAT tool as is ALL the Woodpeckers products. You get what you pay for.
Glad you like it!
No you don't shill!
Have you noticed that Woodpeckers only respond to comments for people who praise or have bought it?
this video reminds me how lucky i am to live in a place that uses the metric system for measurements...
Inches and fractions are equally intuitive and simple when your brain gets used to it, metric system is not easier to use - its only what you are used to. If you claim metric is the only easy intuitive system you admit that all Americans are smarter than you, and then they probably are.
This might shock you but we are allowed to use the metric system in America too.
@@pflaffik You are perhaps really great but I can somehow manage inches and feet but but not ounces and pounds. The fractions are another thing but when I was in the US (early 80s) it is no nice to hear that they were trying to shift to the metric system. Well, I guess they are still trying ...
Iain, if that's not a invitation to get flamed by imperial users I'll go hee for tiggy 😏
@@pflaffik LOL the imperial system is not at all as intuitive or simple as the metric system. For a start percentages are much more complex to work out in your head. Also, the metric system can allow a more accurate measure e.g. most imperial tools would be in 8ths or even 16ths of an inch. A 16th of an inch is still more than 1mm. We count in base10 and so the metric system makes way more sense. Your last sentence is also nonsense. There is no admission that Americans are smarter, they are just more inefficient.
Nice professional video. Enjoyable to watch.
Fantastic work on this video! Man, I’d love to have that!
27 3/32 wide, how do you accurately set that on a scale that doesn't show 32nd's? Just "eyeball" it I guess? I really wish you guys would do some cross-licensing with Incra and add incremental indexing to your measuring devices, then you would truly be accurate, exact and repeatable.
I completely agree. Making two independent adjustments on scales that need "eyeballing" can't possibly be as accurate as as an easily calibrated fence on a table saw. There are even many different super accurate digital readout devices that can be installed on a table saw. So the heading of this video should say "might not"
I always wondered what they did with the vast mountain range of components in the retired space shuttles. They made a single parallel guide system.
Much easier and cheaper to just use a circular saw and a 4 foot drywall square and a sharpee marker , draw your line and then make the saw blade follow the sharpee line.
When starting the cut look at the saw blade and align the saw blade to the sharpee mark.
The circular saw cuts straight and so no need for a track saw!
I can make all styles of cuts without any special expensive tools and way less clutter.
And even if you did need all of them why all of the xtra assembly and calibration when they could've just designed it as a 1 piece pre calibrated tool without a bunch of complication?
I'm sure once you know the jig well, you could probably get home in time for supper.
Looks great!! Just need a track saw now.. Thanks
I have it an love it, especially because it can tuck away in a systainer.
Yes setup does take a few minutes.
One thing though, calibrating it with the method shown I kept getting out by 1mm from one end of 8ft to the other.
I ended up marking for my cut on the sheet material, got the track set splitting the line on both ends, the. Set the scale on each to the measurement I set the track to, loosened the screws that connect it to the track, get the stops pushed against the stock, and held it in place and tightened the screws to the track; I found this way more accurate.
I have the metric version, and the calibration triangles do not point to an actual mark on the scale
I have already ordered mine! Super excited to get it!
The excitement will wear off as you wait months for it to arrive... I have 2 orders on “back order”.
Don't hold your breath. It's on back order until July 28, but don't count on that date. I finally canceled my almost $650 order after they changed the back order dates for the third time.
Don't worry about "her" guys, you can bet that the account is a Woodpeckers sockpuppet praising the product.
Thrift Diving...What a fool
I like that short edge cut. Could have used that a couple thousand time by now.
I built a new multi purpose shop bench with my table saw I was watching him set up the pecker!! Actually I really like this system but could never afford it. I use my mdf home made track saw setup and it works pretty slick.
Excellent piece of kit!
Any plans to make one to fit the Kreg Track Saw?
Just use the kreg table, it’s a lot easier, albeit not as portable :)
Super handy. Just don’t have money to spend $479 on a tool that helps out my $400 Makita track saw.
I think I could put two pencil marks on the wood off a tape measure and get it close enough.
Only $ 479?? Make that € 650 in my country!!
@@dalesworld1308 That is what I have done for years and I would rather have $479 for wood ...
Get on AliExpress and put together a knock-off. You may not find it as a complete kit, but you'll find the components you can put together. At $400, it's nearing the cost of the Festool version which is a much better designed product.
@@windmill10 Wow, you have a country.
Awesome I just learned something new. Thank you
Saw the thumbnail....clicked just for the comments. They did not disappoint :)
For over 40 years I have managed to scrape by with a straight edge, a couple of clamps and a decent square. Can't believe that this is actually a thing and that people actually buy them! Way to over engineer something lol.
Same here, but everything I cut is almost always a millimeter off square. Drives me nuts.
@@imacmill Measure twice cut once was always what I was taught as a lad. Wise words given to a youngster that have stayed with me for over 50 years. The old skills are still out there :)
@@Keefymonoped Ya, but the trouble is, I can measure 10 times, and my cuts are almost always off by a small amount. Maybe my tools are junk.
Instablaster.
@@imacmill
Well, I hope I'm not stating the obvious. But lumber, moves a little bit, depending on its moisture content. Or, it comes from the mill not square.
He talks about that, at 07:30. But you combine those two challenges, and.. it could definitely throw you off.
But if your in the construction industry, or even just working on your own project, & you put up a wall one day, then come along, and your woods dried out a lot overnight,
that itself could affect your measurements a little bit.
I know I was under the impression wood was always squared, then I started building a deck, and having to cut the ends off boards, just to square'em out.. things were off on some by 1/4 inch.. It was ridiculous. (This was before the whole covid, world ending deal going on now)
More expensive than my DeWalt table saw, which of course comes with a saw...
Your forgetting the price of the track saw, which might also be slightly more than your table saw.
It's still cheaper than a SawStop
Does it also include a new finger when you cut yours off?
Very good instructions done well.
I just started seeing woodpecker brand in the last few days. Went from catching my eye to look out for to this.
I mean wow. What a brilliant tool and this guy just makes it look soo slick. I see soo many that just do not demonstrate the product well. Leaving you wondering about so much. Not to mention the vacuum saw really lets one know that this is a much higher degree of tool.
What I really love is how it looks really overcomplicated and a bunch of parts at first, yet its fast, simple, easy and accurate with a good case which is always a must.
I'm deffinately putting these 2 tools on my Amazon list. Thank goodness I saw this before I started looking into table saws. For an unheard of name brand it impresses from the start.
It's a nice colour but that's about all.
I REALLY suggest you do more research into table saws before you buy this instead.
@@jetblackstar I second this comment. Don't be so quick to write off your need for a good quality table saw. This is nonsense to an experienced woodworker
Table saws are great for people who have enormous work spaces. Track saws are great for people who don’t have space for table saws. But still the point of a track saw is that you can line up the cutting edge perfectly with your cut line. So long as you have a square and know how to measure/mark the board, there is no need for other gimmicks, a track saw+track is already optimized for long perfectly straight rips.
How to make money in woodworking: sell overpriced jigs to woodworkers.
So every time I want to rip plywood I add 15-20min just to set this thing up when I could have ripped maybe 20 ply wood on a table saw in that same time?
So can you take you table saw to a site, can you fit your table saw in a box, can you use your table saw for 45 degree cuts on a sheet of plywood.
If you can do all of that good luck to you.
@@bighands69 Have you really never heard of a portable table saw?
@@CDRaff lol
@@bighands69 So can you take you table saw to a site (yes, mines right there right now) , can you fit your table saw in a box (a big box, yes) , can you use your table saw for 45 degree cuts on a sheet of plywood (yes) - though I will give you that I used my Mak' track to make PERFECT 45º cuts on VG Fir I was using to make boxed beams because I didn't trust myself on my table saw.. A table saw is still pretty indispensable on an efficient job site, and this tool is so complicated and expensive it's totally dispensable - just something for hobbyists to have wet dreams about..
@@CDRaff I doubt that a smallish portable table saw could reach the precision of the track saw with a good guide when tackling a large piece of plywood or an even larger HMR or MDF sheet... specially when working alone.
Good job!! Thanks for sharing.
I was sitting here thinking, “I love those Woodpecker products, but why are they so darn expensive?” and I thought I better not post. Because every time I post about something being so expensive, I get flamed. Then I saw all the posts this already had about this being too expensive. LOL
I think "unnecessary" and/or "unnecessarily complicated" overrides "too expensive" in this case.
Try taking a 1/16 off an 8’ boards with that. Try cutting finger joints with that, try raising a panel with it. Definitely not even close to a replacement for a table saw.
How exactly do you remove 1/16 from a 8' sheet with a 3-4foot wide table saw which is the most common size. At work I use a track saw to remove the 1/16 or 1/8 off a 8foot long sheet to make it a true 8' if it's necessary. Which is this device without the red guide rails.
There are dozens of ways to make finger joints and it's an uncommon method in today's carpentry.. There are dozens of ways to raise a panel including using this device. I raised panels for a courtroom using a track saw..
I can understand the advantages of track saws, but, it seems crazy to me to have to assemble all that (on any job site) when all you have to do is cut them on a table saw. A 5x5 is not That awkward to handle or square up ;-/ I see so many new gadgets for people to spend their money on when really they can do without all this fringe stuff. Imho.
You can still cut them with a tracksaw, with two fine (0.5 pencil) marks on your piece, placing the track saw on it and just cutting it.. as I've done many times with great success.. this is a ridiculously complicated waste of money for most work..
I totally agree. When it comes to tools. There are so many gimmicks that just don’t hack it. Woodpecker plus a Festool tracsaw, man I need to win the lottery just to get started on a cut.
wintersnot..... They are the "MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN BY BUYING USLESS STUF"
This guys shop is nicer than my living room.
The great idea of a track saw is the nonslip sliding rail. Just line up the ends and cut. Nice system, but I'll stick to the table on wheels I roll up to my cabinet saw and get a perfect cut with no tear-out. From pick-up truck to cabinet saw. Piece of cake. In the field nonslip sliding rail is very useful.
I'm surprised there were no lasers or trigonometry involved in setting this up. Good commercial for just getting a dang table saw.
I'm surprised this doesn't connect to wifi and alexa!
Properly calibrating a table saw isn’t any easier. Especially my used Bosch job site saw where the table wasn’t flat and the fence isn’t straight. Spent 2 hours with a straight edge and a orbital sander trying to get my table and fence true
@@kevinthomson6324 Yeah but you don't have to do it every time.
Table saws are cheaper, too.
"Now, this was really easy ..." - - - Yep. Really easy if you have all day to make a single cut.
With this product you have just set a new definition for OVER Complicated...Well done guys...!!!
Common...you have such great product range...do not overcomplicate things...
I've invested in the EurekaZone track system but do like the versatility of this guide system. Are there any plans to to adapt this to attach to the EurekaZone tracks?
I have mentioned to the designer about how many of customers have mentioned versions for other track saws. Hopefully they take this into consideration. Thank you.
Assembling this every time is a deal breaker. I’m buying a new table saw.
Exactly. By the time I assembled it I could have cut the piece all ready.
It’s not bad at all. I simply leave it together like this guy does. I just bought TSO version as well. Not sure I like them as much
@@dublinf4477 table saw has far more versatility. Why waste the time and money to effectively accomplish a single function of a tool that has many?
I don't really need one of these, but I want it anyway just for the assembly process.
That is untill you see the price.
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That's why the professionals finished a thousand pieces without this money eating tools before you finished assembling it.
Love it! Engineering is great and woodpecker has got it! HOWEVER! we can make these cuts, yes even with 5x5 bb, in about 30 seconds on the table saw. tracks saws are great in some situations but just too much setup time to be my goto, especially for parts with concealed edges, like inset cabinet panels. and that brings me to another point....with a 3/8-1/2" or so blind panel rabbet, squaring the plywood is SO not necessary. we're making a parallel rip to fence, track, shoe (whatever you're using). If squaring up ALL the parts is necessary for you, like it can be for a engineering snob like me,......just throw the sled down on the table saw and make your cross-cuts. Anyway, i got tons more critique to give on this one for sure but....hell, why keep giving my energy away to this when i got a bunch of wood calling me in the shop behind my desk.......?
Or instead of creating a ton of sleds and home made jigs and this and that just buy purpose built tools. Not everyone has time for the nonsense you’re talking about. Theres not one table saw cut that I haven’t been able to make on my track saw. Not one.
Ive been wanting a system for track saw but can not make up my mind!!! Love the red and Made in USA!!
with the cost of the trac saw and the guide system, who can afford a table saw?
But, this is a lot safer than a table saw, because it takes so long to set up, your never turn it on.
I'd be prepared to pay as much as $75 for that.
Hahhaha right. I was saying to myself, its way to pretty to be cheap. Damn near cost the same as a table saw.
Between the Track Saw, and each of the track square + track saw guide, you'd easily be out ~$2-2.5k. This is great after you've already spent the money.
If I spend the time it would take to set this thing up by mowing my neighbors lawns, I could buy myself a vertical panel saw...
Thanks for making this video and possibly saving me from buyers regret.
$479 for just this alignment track system then you need to buy a tracksaw, am I only one who thinks this expensive to rip a sheet of plywood?
No your not!
No you're not!
Do you have a spare kidney for sale?
As much as I love my Festool trac saw I think I will stick to my table saw for this
Another great video Jeff. I bit the bullet and placed my order. By the way, what is the screwdriver you used with the spring on the shaft?
Wiha. There are about 20 double-ended tips in the handle.
I recently ripped 4x8 sheets on my table saw by myself. It was a bit of a challenge but doable. And I was done before this contraption could be put together.
I'm 68 and I still do it. Not that difficult.
"Anything you can do with a table saw you can do with a track saw". What track saw has a dado stack?
Festool
The larger Festool tracksaws takes dado sets, and to slightly labour the point, a track guided router will achieve the same job
@@richardkeith2778 is that a festool product (the dado kit)? I did find one CZcams video, but I believe the gentleman was in either the UK or Australia. He was running a 1900 watt festool hk85, a model not sold in the U.S. Our local festool dealer looked at me like I had two heads when I asked about it.
Honestly, I have never heard of the dado kit, and can't fathom a sub 1.5 horsepower motor running a dado stack, which is about where the TS 75 is. Looking online they look to be available widely for the HK 85, but the kit costs £729 and the HK 85 was £859. For that you can get a low end cabinet table saw, or a high end hybrid here.
@@Xander-dx6mw I'm from UK so probably explains it. Nice irony that UK has a dado product not available in the US !! I dont disagree with anything you say - the "no table saw" claim is silly, but less so in the UK where most hobbyist woodworkers would not have a workshop big enough to break down a full sheet on a table saw. We have UK-made products (Benchdogs UK) that are "better" than the Woodpecker thing - much simpler to set up and use, and at a quarter of the price, so can't see many making the flight across the pond any time soon !
Will this work with the Kreg track? And if not, any plans for future versions?
It does not. Yes, we are looking into other versions.
I use a Seneca parallel guide system on my kreg ACS unit. Any of their head units fit but you cannot calibrate their system on the kreg track. I use a 36" or 48" steel rule to set the distance from the splinter guard to the stop on the incra t-track plus it uses. Have been building cabinets of all sizes up to 6' with this method for over a year with great accuracy. If woodpecker does bring out a unit for kreg that would be great but in the meantime my customers are very happy with the results. I did buy all the incra sizes of their t-track plus and extra heads from Seneca to have several preset lengths for a job. Not as expensive as you would think. Hardly use my table saw anymore.
Will you be making a version for the Dewalt track saw?
@@woodcraft505 Adding on that I hope you make one that fits the Kreg track. Thank you!
I have both the TSO version and the woodpeckers. I was a little frustrated with the woodpeckers and purchase the TSO to compare. Will end up probably getting rid of one but not sure which one yet. They both suffer from the same design. No positive indexing. Parallax is a huge problem with this type of system. You could be off a good millimeter or two based on the way you’re trying to read the scale. But I will say that it is very well-made and woodpeckers customer service is outstanding. I have a number of their products and generally have been really happy with them.
Flip the stop all the way up and the edge of the stop will be sitting directly on the scale. No parallax whatsoever.
@@WoodpeckersLLC Did I mention outstanding customer service? 😊
@@WoodpeckersLLC Dublin is right, positive indexing would be a big plus it would shorten up setup time and no second guessing. If you are going to over charge for a bunch of aluminum there should be a little more engineering involved.
I like it, and looks good. But just to many pieces to assemble be interesting to know what the tolerance stack and repeatability is on the assembly.
Way better than festool parallel guides
Over complicated and expensive... 10 minutes 26 seconds in, "I'm going to make my first cut."...WOW
I keep hoping somebody will start a CZcams channel called “GET TO THE POINT!”. So far, no luck.
Well, perhaps we mostly agree that Woodpeckers is way too expensive for the majority of us... BUT, thanks to DETAILED and VERY WELL DONE, SLOW videos like this, we can LEARN how to make our own DIY version... So, STOP COMPLAINTING and go make something similar!
by the time you're done setting it up and squaring it, i've ripped and crossed cut several boards perfectly, not to mention the high cost of this item. Good quality video though.
I wish you you make this compatible with my DeWalt track saw. What's the chance?
The most complicated way of cutting a sheet 😂
I have multiple tracksaws and rails .. along with all of the Festool accessories that help them to be a true system. I'm quite adept with them but I ONLY see tracksaws as an alternative to the need for a panel saw. A table saw, a bandsaw, etc are still important shop tools.
Agree, have never needed a track saw in my shop. My Milwaukee panel saw is cheaper and does everything I need it to do.
@@whales302 not sure about a Milwaukee panel saw? Never heard of one of those! Panel saw and table saw are different animals.
@@whales302 A Milwaukee panel saw is $1,700 and only makes square cuts. A track saw is much more versatile, portable and takes up much less shop space.
Super outstanding! Semper Fi
Do you have layaway on both products, sorry to much for my pocket book... lol
Pretty flashy wiz-bang, but not for me. I'm in my 70s and can still manage to rip a sheet of 3/4-inch MDF on my table saw. For a cross cut, I made a 54-inch jig from two rips of plywood. I clamp it at my marks and run my regular circular saw along the jig. Fast, accurate, inexpensive.
I am about to close out my 70s and like you still rip 4 by 8 sheets on a table saw, this gismo is just another flash in the pan fad that will die out ( or it should lol ) Post turtle?
@@mightyporky haha, a couple of geezers who think track saws are going to die because of the table saw. Let me guess...riving knifes are just for effeminate males too, amirite?
For a company that's mission is extreme accuracy and unparalleled build quality, this leaves an enormous amount of room for error. When judging where the slides stop on the ruler a rounded edge with no defined edge, arrow, etc leaves each different user with their own separate measurement. Plus, as already stated, the setup time is ummmmm. 3 hours later....
Well I’m glad you learned something
Phillips head screws on a Wood Peckers precision tool?! Is there reason for using that type of fastner?
ur shoip looks amazing really like your video thanks
Woodpecker has some nice tools, but boy do you have to drop some money for them. With that said, I might have to get these.
I'd love some for my Makita, but not at that price. That's $50 more than I paid for the saw, blade, container, and track.
Am I missing something? I’d like to see this thing turn a 2x4 into a 1x4. There are also a number of operations that can be performed on a table saw I can’t see happening on a track saw.
Exactly. There are tons of operations that you do routinely on a table saw that would be difficult if not impossible with a track saw. Half lap joints, raise panels, cut tenons, finger joints and on and on
@@jeffhreid thank you! The one I mentioned was the easiest and most obvious. Thanks for listing the rest.
Tenoning, for example. Dados. 8)
Woodpecker certainly makes pretty tools.
I could be missing something, but wouldn't you save a lot on set up time if you made the container just a little bit longer, and had the part that attaches to the track and the first section of guide rail as one solid piece? Do you lose any of the other functionality besides space-saving by doing that?
Need a table for the parallel guide or track saw
Sawhorses/old ply/coupla winding sticks'll do ya.
11:39 no one is taking this to a job site.
Miles better than the Festool Parallel guide system. BUT the accuracy in calibrating and double-checking with the small square goes out the window when you set the stops individually. One will be dead on the indicator line or just to the indicator line and inevitably the stop on the other bar will not be precisely in the same location. The resolution on the scale introduces the inconsistent settings. Nit Picky, YES, but you are demonstrating nit-picky by double-checking with the square when calibrating each bar to the track.
One thing I really like about this set-up is that the stops flip up and rest on top of the scale. That makes it very easy to align the physical stop to the scale. You are right, you have to set the two guides individually and there is a risk that you don't align both stops to the same side of the line. My video producer, John Heim, can tell you that I have been known to obsess over the stop splitting the line on the scale. If you don't, your finished cut might be out by 10 or 15 thousandths over the 60 inches of the cut. That's if you're really sloppy and go from one side of the line to the other. I'll take that compared to my ability to wrestle a 60 pound sheet through a table saw by myself.
@@WoodpeckersLLC So I have your Story Stick Pro 96" and 2 of the Story Stick Pro, 48 " and 24". I do have the Festool Parallel Guide system and avoid using it.
I use both Story Stick Pros in pairs to "push" my track into position, one near on each end of the track. Much like the parallel guide system in this video.
BUT I have total accuracy. Maybe you can incorporate my method.
I set the end stop on one story stick and I flip the other story stick in the opposite direction and place it beside the first story stick and place the end against the first story stick end stop. Then I adjust the second story stick end stop to touch the first story stick end.
A picture or 2 is worth a thousand words.
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I think you would have a winner if your parallel guide system could be adjusted in a similar manner.
Thank you for mentioning Makita compatibility by name.
I can’t help but to notice all of the “master craftsman” in the comments blasting an American 🇺🇸 company for being innovative. There are several real world, practical and viable use cases and scenarios where this system would shine. For those of you who make perfect cuts with your grand dads old circular saw I’m truly happy for you. For those of you seeking precision, repeatability and practicality explore this system, and any others that will work for you. And for all of us woodworkers let’s try to remember that there’s more than one one to get every task done, and done right. Keep learning and doing better!
Definitely not worth the time, effort, or money. Don’t get me wrong the quality is top notch but the setup is near impossible to get good repetitive cuts out of. So much faster to use the track square and break down pieces to put through a table saw.
If you were completely mobile and need to cut 100 shelves then maybe it would be worth while, but I’d still rather use a job site saw.
The tracks need some way to index the stops, doing it by sight allows for too much error over multiple cuts requiring extra waste to trim the ends square.
@Michael..... You must really be very desperate to be sponsored by woodpeckers!!!