The chief difference in her first whistle (in service until 1983) and NKP 757’s whistle (off of 760) is material used. Those whistles were cast in steel, due to a wartime restriction, compared to the regular whistle made of brass.
As a musician, I'd have to disagree. Changing what the whistle is made of (brass or steel) would change the tone color, not the pitch. Pitch is created by the dimension of the chimes. From what I head on this video, there were different whistle -- or the steam pressure, possibly, caused the variation in pitch. If the whistle dimensions were exactly the same, the pitch would be the same regardless of what material was used. Still, a great video. Thanks for sharing this!
@@amtrak_121 765’s original whistle’s pretty much where the Water Level Route would get most of its dubbed audio from. It’s a beautiful whistle, and serves as the true origin whistle for K&L’s Dreyfuss Hudson
765's whistle was never changed from 1984 to current day, during her 2005 rebuild they retuned it, and then in 2011 it was retuned into in the version of the whistle she has now.
I think 765's had the same whistle on her main valve, with the exception of 2789's and 760's whistles, ever since her first return to steam. Her actual original whistle was apparently lost during her time in Lawton Park, and it's never been found, so FWRHS actually went with NKP 700's whistle, and have had it ever since. I remember having a conversation about the topic of whistles over an Instagram comment thread on one of the FWRHS' posts of 765 cruising past an old Wabash depot back in 2019 with whoever runs the official FWRHS Instagram account. Then again, I'm not even sure the current FWRHS members know for sure or not. Then again, maybe they do, but like the slight air of mystery around the whole thing.
So it’s 2022 and this video’s already outdated. Dang. Also, I recall seeing FWRHS stating on a social media post of theirs, or maybe it was a video, that there had been some consideration put into making a video about the 765’s whistle/whistles and there were a good few comments, one of which was my own, asking for the Society to please make a video like that.
Heard a Don Krofta recording of her whistle in early 1957 that sounds exactly like that first clip! I like that one! The S3 whistles had a somewhat lower pitch that i also like.
From 1980 to 1982 she had her original 6 chime whistle. From 1983 to 1993 and again in 2005 to 2009 I believe, she had a 6 chime whistle from her sister number 700. From 2009 to 2011 I think she still had the 700’s whistle but tuned different. She briefly wore her original whistle in 2010 for a trip in Michigan out of Owosso. From 2012 to 2018 she still had the 700’s whistle but tuned again, in my opinion it didn’t sound that good compared to the 90’s or after the restoration in 2005. She also wore the 760’s whistle for a short time in 2018. In 2019 and 2020 she had her original whistle back on because it sounded a lot like it did in the early eighties. I hope they can retune the 700’s whistle back to what it was in the late 80s and 90s or even what it was in 2005 to 2006. As far as the bell, she had a cast iron bell originally but in 82 it was changed to a brass bell that if I’m not mistaken belonged to Tom Stephens. The original bell was put back on from 2005 to 2014 I believe and the brass one was put back on since and has remained on the locomotive since.
Tone of the whistle does seem to be different, some made in steal some made in brass, but overall it does seem fairly similar throughout despite the changes.
@@HoboJoe-tr1tm I believe its had 3 different bells, a Steel one, another Steel one tuned differently and a third being a brass bell. I dont know what the bell has changed
Quite an unexpected reaction to have & surprising to me that no one else has had such a reaction to the end narration section. The video originally all narration, but i was unsatisfied with it so i only kept the end piece to cap it off. I wasnt intending to startle people.
I just saw a video on here with NKP 765 using whistle whistle that sounds like a N&W Hooter.. it was odd, I wonder if that will be a permanent thing. I like the 6-chime whistle for it
765's original bell would've been one of the steel bells like she had from 2006-2013. She would've worn that in regular service as well as a brass bell in the 1950s (like the one she got in 2014). I'm guessing the bell she had when she came back in 1979 was probably never used by her on the NKP.
didnt know 765 has like 4 different whistles, including the resent 760 whistle. i only thought that 765 has 2 whistles, the one she wore in the 80's to the 1990's and then after 2006 had a new whistle to the present day
No. 759's own bell is still on the engine . I believe the bell it wore in the 2010s was a bell tuned to the NKP Berkshire tuning or it's a bell from a scrapped sister to 765.
@@NickelPlatedProductions I emailed someone from the FWRHS a while back. They say it was always S-1 #700's whistle. The difference between the S-1 and 2 berks is that the S-1 whistles were made of brass and the 2s were made of cast iron, thus the difference in tone. 700's whistle has simply been re-tuned and maintained. That's why it sounds different.
The chief difference in her first whistle (in service until 1983) and NKP 757’s whistle (off of 760) is material used. Those whistles were cast in steel, due to a wartime restriction, compared to the regular whistle made of brass.
Whoever made this for Trainz did a great job (I'm talking to you Steve Lerro)
As a musician, I'd have to disagree. Changing what the whistle is made of (brass or steel) would change the tone color, not the pitch. Pitch is created by the dimension of the chimes. From what I head on this video, there were different whistle -- or the steam pressure, possibly, caused the variation in pitch. If the whistle dimensions were exactly the same, the pitch would be the same regardless of what material was used. Still, a great video. Thanks for sharing this!
The 6 chime was also used on the New York Central Dreyfuss Hudson Locomotive
0:27 NKP 765’s original whistle from 1944-1983 sounds like PM 1225’s 2009 whistle
That’s what I said! It also kinda sounds like an NYC whistle
Looks like it also lol
@@amtrak_121 765’s original whistle’s pretty much where the Water Level Route would get most of its dubbed audio from. It’s a beautiful whistle, and serves as the true origin whistle for K&L’s Dreyfuss Hudson
@@AdmiralColdhead but the Hudsons used Nathan 6 chimes, and that does NOT sound like a proper Nathan 6 chime.
@@amtrak_121 Nathan 6 chimes had different pitches. As many whistles do. Different cords, but the same chime.
That first Nathan 6 Chime is her true voice
The first clip with the locomotive at speed with the Mars light was the 700’s whistle but the second was her original whistle.
What happened to her original whistle, why haven’t they used it since then
It's a beautiful whistle
@@PittsburghAndLakeErie9405 probably was stoled
@@SuperFoxyRailwayProduction6702Vandalized?
765's whistle was never changed from 1984 to current day, during her 2005 rebuild they retuned it, and then in 2011 it was retuned into in the version of the whistle she has now.
I grew up hearing the 84-93 Nathan 6 Chime (from footage and stuff), and it's such an aggressive tone, but I love all of them!
Nickel Plate 765 and Southern Pacific 4449 has one thing in common. Both went through various whistle changes
The SP&S 700's whistle is different in that the one it used starting in 1990 has never changed.
Who cares..
They all sound phenomenal!
Better than horns anyway.
K&L Trainz used the Nathan 6-Chime high-pitched whistle (1984-1993) on their model of 765.
yah its my favorite version of 765's whistle
1:35 the best sounding whistle that Nickel Plate Road ever made dressed up as another engine
It also appear in the model of the NYC Niágara in K&L Trainz
Can you put me here
I think 765's had the same whistle on her main valve, with the exception of 2789's and 760's whistles, ever since her first return to steam. Her actual original whistle was apparently lost during her time in Lawton Park, and it's never been found, so FWRHS actually went with NKP 700's whistle, and have had it ever since. I remember having a conversation about the topic of whistles over an Instagram comment thread on one of the FWRHS' posts of 765 cruising past an old Wabash depot back in 2019 with whoever runs the official FWRHS Instagram account. Then again, I'm not even sure the current FWRHS members know for sure or not. Then again, maybe they do, but like the slight air of mystery around the whole thing.
So it’s 2022 and this video’s already outdated. Dang.
Also, I recall seeing FWRHS stating on a social media post of theirs, or maybe it was a video, that there had been some consideration put into making a video about the 765’s whistle/whistles and there were a good few comments, one of which was my own, asking for the Society to please make a video like that.
FWRHS has retuned the 765's whistle for 2019. It sounds like a cross between the whistle's 2005 tuning and the 760's whistle.
Heard a Don Krofta recording of her whistle in early 1957 that sounds exactly like that first clip! I like that one! The S3 whistles had a somewhat lower pitch that i also like.
I heard somewhere that its lower pitched bell in the 90s was from a GG1
interesting
Definitely an ex-PRR bell, no idea what it is from.
You heard correctly.
Here's a video of a bell off a GG1: czcams.com/video/IGFCTuCVReM/video.html
Nickel Plate Road 765’s second bell (1982-1993) and its third bell at a deeper pitch (2014-present) sound very similar.
it might be the same bell , but i could be wrong
Not the same
One of the bells I 🤔 was from sister 779. Again not 100
From 1980 to 1982 she had her original 6 chime whistle. From 1983 to 1993 and again in 2005 to 2009 I believe, she had a 6 chime whistle from her sister number 700. From 2009 to 2011 I think she still had the 700’s whistle but tuned different. She briefly wore her original whistle in 2010 for a trip in Michigan out of Owosso. From 2012 to 2018 she still had the 700’s whistle but tuned again, in my opinion it didn’t sound that good compared to the 90’s or after the restoration in 2005. She also wore the 760’s whistle for a short time in 2018. In 2019 and 2020 she had her original whistle back on because it sounded a lot like it did in the early eighties. I hope they can retune the 700’s whistle back to what it was in the late 80s and 90s or even what it was in 2005 to 2006. As far as the bell, she had a cast iron bell originally but in 82 it was changed to a brass bell that if I’m not mistaken belonged to Tom Stephens. The original bell was put back on from 2005 to 2014 I believe and the brass one was put back on since and has remained on the locomotive since.
0:19 0:37 0:50 suddenly K&L Trainz Dreyfuss Hudson Whistle
its third bell and second whistle are my favorite
Tone of the whistle does seem to be different, some made in steal some made in brass, but overall it does seem fairly similar throughout despite the changes.
I think you mean Steel, steal is when you take something that isn't yours
0:00 best whistle!
Nathan 6 Chime is my favorite
@2:47 and @2:56 are completely different bells.
ok then
@@NickelPlatedProductions why do they change the bell so much?
@@HoboJoe-tr1tm I believe its had 3 different bells, a Steel one, another Steel one tuned differently and a third being a brass bell. I dont know what the bell has changed
@@NickelPlatedProductions ok
The one that 765 wore from 1944 to 1983
1:35 that is C&O #2716 not NPR #765.
Its 765, in 1993 It was dressed up as C&O Kanawha 2765 for excursions in Michigan, Kentucky as well as for the New River Train in West Virginia
@@NickelPlatedProductions oh I didn’t know that. That’s awesome. Thank you for the info 🙏
0:14 nyc hudson is the best choice for me to have
the dude talking at the end jumpscared the crap out of me lol
Quite an unexpected reaction to have & surprising to me that no one else has had such a reaction to the end narration section. The video originally all narration, but i was unsatisfied with it so i only kept the end piece to cap it off. I wasnt intending to startle people.
@@NickelPlatedProductions Ahahaha, I just wasn't expecting it. Interesting stuff!
I love the original pitch of the 3rd whistle.
Love 765 whistle
0:14 NKP 765’s Original Whistle from 1944 aka Marquette(PM 1225)’s 2009 Whistle
1:35 K&L Trainz NYC Niagara Whistle Origin
1:51 Trainz Driver 2 NYC Hudson Whistle Origin
84 -93 then 06-11 are my favorites bell they all sound good
Thanks for this great compilation, I really like the older shots. At 1:51, where’d you get that clip, it sounds SOOO familiar for some reason...
This footage comes from this video, the 2006 test run of 765.
czcams.com/video/N82LCMQJ-r8/video.html
it sounds like a whistle from trainz
@@SPS700TheE1It is!!
2:05 this is my favorite whistle
I just saw a video on here with NKP 765 using whistle whistle that sounds like a N&W Hooter.. it was odd, I wonder if that will be a permanent thing. I like the 6-chime whistle for it
That hooter whistle is from a video of her in 1984, doubleheading with NW J 611. But as far as I know, there's only one video featuring it.
Berk Shire engines always have good whistles
The newer whistle at its original pitch and the Nathan 6 chime are my favorites
The original nathan 5 chime sounds like a new York central Hudson whistle
That’s actually the original 6 chime whistle. The 5 chime wasn’t featured in this video.
NYC Hudsons didn't sound like PM 1225 or NKP 765, at least in the videos it doesn't sound like it
Where is that clip from 2:28 from? I remember seeing it somewhere but can't remember it for the life of me
That is from Extra 765 West made by Hopewell Productions in 1980
0:14 where do you found the clip, it sounds very beautiful
Nickel Plate 765 the early years from Greg Scholl Video Productions.
I don't know why but 765 is now different as of 2019 my guess is its either a different whistle or the pitch was changed
The pitch was changed
@@PittsburghAndLakeErie9405 oh, well I don't seem to like the change but maybe they'll change it back in the future
@@evanf1293 agreed
765 wore PRR 3 chimes from a M1, Q2 And a K4 x 2
Can you do the same video but with PM 2-8-4 #1225 and the different whistles it wore during the years too?
TRAINZ MASTER 745 Productions her whistle has never changed only guest whistles
NKP 765’s first original whistle sounds like PM 1225!
Apparently her second bell was from none other than NKP 779 but someone correct me on that if I’m wrong.
She has had her whistle re tuned in 2019 to sound more like the deeper 760
I don’t know who will disagree but the original Nathan 6 chime sounds like Pere Marquette 1225’s whistle
765's original bell would've been one of the steel bells like she had from 2006-2013. She would've worn that in regular service as well as a brass bell in the 1950s (like the one she got in 2014). I'm guessing the bell she had when she came back in 1979 was probably never used by her on the NKP.
2:37 That's her current bell 1982-1995
didnt know 765 has like 4 different whistles, including the resent 760 whistle. i only thought that 765 has 2 whistles, the one she wore in the 80's to the 1990's and then after 2006 had a new whistle to the present day
Yup
NKP 765 just had a new whistle, NKP 760's whsitle.
Who's video is at 2:05 ?
Reason why I'm Asking is because that whistle clip was used for a gmod sound
2:47 Is that 759's bell on 765?
No. 759's own bell is still on the engine . I believe the bell it wore in the 2010s was a bell tuned to the NKP Berkshire tuning or it's a bell from a scrapped sister to 765.
Nickel Plated Productions Oh, okay. Thanks.
@@jlvanboc your welcome
The second bell is her true voice
Is it's original Nathan still around? It sounds very much like the current whistle to me
As far as I know its original bell is still around I believe that the FWRHS has 765s 80s and 90s whistle and they may also have its original whistle
Nickel Plated Productions ok thank you
@@MPT_Productions your welcome
Whats the link for the first video of NKP 765's whistle in 2006-2011?
czcams.com/video/N82LCMQJ-r8/video.html
765 begins her 2nd career as a excursion locomotive in 1979, now today's 3rd career in 2006.
Nice video
thanks
Should’ve put 2018- 760 guest whistle
I prefer the first whistle and first bell.
What’s the new whistle? The original is a Nathan 6 chime but idk what the new one is
Liked it but I couldn't hear what you where saying because of the whistle
Her 3rd whistle and bell is the best
what engine is that at 1:39
its NKP 765 dressed up as C&O 2765
It’s NKP 765 as C&O 2765 for the new River excursion 1993
Thank you , I know you made this video just for me. I love it. Thank you..... Wilmer-IHVRR. Not Bad!!!
your welcome
bro went to high speed with that whistle💀💀
BTW NKP 765 and PM 1225 was similar locomotives, am i right?
They are built to the same standards since both engines were built by Lima
when the bell rings, the bell doesn't actually move. is it manual or is it electric because i don't see the bell moving when it rings
Its bell is hammer rung
@@NickelPlatedProductions oh ok
I believe steam locomotive bells of this style are rung pneumatically by compressed air
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Well 844steamtrain nkp 765 pulls fast passenger and freight trains
765 is what true steam power is
"Nathen" is actually spelled Nathan. Not bad of a video anyway
wooow!!
Wait have polar express?
I think you forgot her 1991 whistle, which sounds like 611’s whistle
What is 765 current whistle
Why did her bell change?
also you didnt count the 2nd whistles.
There’ve been too many to count on her. XD
Is the first one really her original whistle? It sounds kinda beat up.
It is its original whistle from The Nickel Plate Road, they swapped it with another whistle in 1984 that sounded better
@@NickelPlatedProductions Did you read somewhere that the early '80s whistle was the original?
@@Eli_Santin yes, I forgot from where specifically
@@NickelPlatedProductions I emailed someone from the FWRHS a while back. They say it was always S-1 #700's whistle. The difference between the S-1 and 2 berks is that the S-1 whistles were made of brass and the 2s were made of cast iron, thus the difference in tone. 700's whistle has simply been re-tuned and maintained. That's why it sounds different.
Did I saw 2716?
No,its 765 disguised as a Kanawha 2765 in 1993
Why some 765 videos the show a k&L steam engine
1:01 She sounds sad here.
765:no way.
MOM THE HOUSE IS ON FIRE AAAAAH 0:25
Edit: Do u get the joke
Yeah lol
Like the person is running away from the fire
“Why does that whistle sound like it’s screaming?”
“RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! HES COMING!!!”
“What is he talking abou- OH MY GO-“
*train whistle of 765*
IP
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