Honda CBR650R First Ride | Real Middleweight Fireblade?
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- čas přidán 18. 07. 2019
- Finally thanks to those love people at Wheels Motorcycles I get my hands on the revamped Honda CBR650R. Is this the ultimate middleweight Fireblade or a detuned A2 leaner legal?
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LC - Auta a dopravní prostředky
It does 0-100 in 3.3s and I've seen them hit 11.2 on the 1/4 mile that's quite a lot of perfomance for a comfortable sports bike
Definitely. It’s a whole second quicker than my XJ6 which has 78hp
You keep comparing the CBR650R to a ZX6R in terms of performance, but those bikes aren't direct competitors. A much more fair comparison would be to the Ninja 650, the ZX6R competes with the CBR600RR, not this.
Matt Crottey 4-inline maybe
@@yazidjaafar That's a good point!
@BGS Member Here in Canada it costs 1700 $ a year to put plates on the zx6r and only 660 a year for the cbr650r... the zx6r is a supersports bike and the cbr650r is a sport touring bike... its the exact same as the cb650r but without handlebar.
I agree completely.
@BGS Member Not really, you have to consider that some would like a Honda over a Kawasaki just be cause they think Honda makes a better bike. Also there are some that like the sound of a inline 4 vs v twin. You should also think that there are some big guys that don't want a 300 or 400 for a starter bike as its too small.
Hahah that moment when he said “if you realy work it, it’s actually pretty quick” that is the naughty feeling every biker lives for 😂❤️ 4:31
So damn genuine :’) sold me on this
I used to ride Kawasaki ZZ-R1100 and now considering this. I don't understand why people say "stepping stone" and "beginner" when referring to bikes because people buy what they like and can afford. There are no beginner cars or stepping stone cars, just small cars, SUVs, pickup trucks, etc. I think very few people who ride motorcycles consider themselves to be on some imaginary competition or scale where they have to advance and advance and buy more powerful bikes as time goes on, otherwise they will be behind when they keep one bike for too long. I might as well be mistakening of course.
I think this bike nails it for its intended market, as you say; the new rider or even older riders who want to step away from balls to the wall power but still love the look of a sports bike. Apart from the bits you pointed out like the rear end it looks absolutely stunning! I wonder what it would be like with a full system, remap and a suspension upgrade... totally pointless, but would be a fun sleeper bike!
You make a good comment though..
Trick up the externals and you'll have a much more usable bike..
I did it to my 08 Z 750..
Awesome..
what a quality review,the effort your putting into these uploads is fantastic.Thanks Mr Chops 👍
The down pipes remind me of old Honda CB 400 F. Another great review Mr. Chop, cheers from Canada 😁
Really good comprehensive review, especially for a First Ride. Enjoyed it, and seems like this could be the perfect A2-friendly 'first big bike' for many! Cheers Lamb Chop 👍
Any chance of a video on A2 restricted sports bikes? This one really has my attention it just sounds right, and I’d love to know any other bikes that can be restricted that can also get that smooth buzz on neutral
I remember some of those roads when you did the MV F4 review , probably one of my fav bike videos of all time. Clearly they’ve coined back in places like the display and shocks but it looks nice and like a blade.
I truly appreciate this review.
Lovin the back ground music, oh yeah good review.
Great video mr chop. Keep them coming
Thanks for the video, chops!
Excellent review, nice bike, typically honda, had a big scare when the scooter turned up just before you passed, had me pulling the brake behind my computerscreen...
2021 now has a 13,000 rpm rev limiter and SSF BP forks! Just added one to the stable, it's a great street bike! It just keeps revving, it's a hoot without going too fast.
Thank you for an detailed review. It is one of the bikesI am interested owning.
I currently ride a CBR125 on my CBT, and I plan on doing my A2 direct route as soon as possible! I found out today this bike is A2 license friendly... I am very happy :)
@wobz I wouldn't bother with the restrictor
You probably won’t get insured
Thanks for sharing this valuable information.
12:15 is the money shot. Nice review Mr Chop .... thanks 👍🏻
just passed my test at 44, first road bike as mainly road enduro and got the black version of this bike, been learning on a cb650r so really looking forward to getting the hours in, great review 👍🏼
Congrats man!!! Passed my test in July at the ripe oldage of 48. I also have the black version of this bike. Shame about the weather just lately. Been dying to get out on it.
RedlineRossi, thanks my friend and congrats too, had my first few hours on it this afternoon, loved it, enjoy it and stay safe 👍🏼✊🏼💨💨
@@robertthomas2665 Thanks man, Glad you're loving it. Got my first first service this weekend so afterwards I will be able to ride it to its potential.... Safely 😀 👍
From 4:30 onwards You sold me my first bike chops. Had a couple of test rides to make up my mind though.
Getting the black version 👍
How is the bike?? Have u brought it?
To me this bike is much like a 600 supersports from the 90s, a reasonable riding position, around a 100 brake, decent handling and brakes. The 600s got steadily more extreme, and eventually people got tired of the uncomfortable position and peaky engines and the sales figures showed that. When 600s were like this bike in the 90s early 2000s they sold like hot cakes.... they sold bugger all supersports in 2019.I'd take this over a new zx6 anyway, as I like to do miles on a bike!
Also why do so many reviewers alway assume everyone want to "move up" to a thousand bike? I know people who went up and regretted it as its just too fast to be able to really use on the road and downsized back to a middle weight.
Most riders I know always think that they can use more power, so they rarely stop at the 600's. Not to mention with how extreme the ZX6R and R6 became and the speeds they became capable of, the 1000 isn't the crazy leap it used to be (especially with power modes and restrictions).
That being said I also don't know many folks who stick to the 1000's for long, usually people buy and get scared off within a year or so then go back to something more reasonable.
Nice review! A Brit that finally revs the engine!
Still the best bike I’ve ever had for handling and fun was my CBR 600F on an 07 plate. Wow what a fantastic bike. I still miss her.
The A2 compliance is everything, it's only just restrictable and according to Honda is easy to be de restricted after your 2 years of A2 :)
you had me at: "Give em the full beans"
Great review 👍
A very sensible motorcycle to own. Its all about usability.
i own one and i love it, use it as a daily commuter to work and ive taken it out to my local race track.
thanks for the review
That bike looks killer for what it is im very impressed with its looks for sure! Now the performance i cant say but it seemed fast when you open it up! Honda you cant go wrong they know how to build a proper motorcycle or anything really!
I see this as a fun, high quality commuter . That’s the market have Honda have aimed at and it’s what I want . I can’t fit two bikes in my garage alongside the car so I need a compromise .
It does like 224kph, thats pretty crazy speeds on roads. Faster than 99% of people ride their litre bikes in the road.
First & foremost, nice review Chops. Really appreciate you paying attention to these types of bikes. I've said it before & I'll say it again, these middleweights are where it's at imo. Affordable, useable & fun. This looks a great "little" bike but for me, light weight & decent suspension are a must which is where this bike falls down a bit maybe. I'd be happy to pay a bit more for improvements in those areas. The sub 400cc market seems to be flourishing so I'm hoping that will have a knock on affect & lead to a middleweight revival. We've become obsessed with huge mega powerful bikes we can't use on the road & not everyone wants or can afford a 1000. Viva la revolution lol!
Thanks Rage Rider, yes I do agree I loved the ZX6R made so much sense as a road bike. I really hope they do another RR at some point as the 600 class really does need a revival
@@LambChopRides Yep fingers crossed! By the way I spoke to Wheels & they said if we mention your name they add money on. ; )
Haha 😆😆😆
The lead under the seat is for the battery charger
The optional seat cowl is £220, in the lovely Grand Prix red, looks sharp.
Never mind the young kids 🐣 it's great for us grumpy old boys 😀👍👍👍
nana, i'd take some of that cake as a 21 year old. i ride hondas cb500f with 48hp, and technically thats more than enough power to have fun on already
im 23 and bought a 2019 cbr 650r last year and i love it.
@@TheNovakihn Do you still have your 650R? Do you still love it and what are your impressions of it?
@@ELKINKNIGHT935 yes I still own it, put over 1200km this season in less then a month. She's honestly one of the best bikes I've bought. It's got a nice upright seating g position compared to Supersports and it's plenty fast, I've gotten her up to 260km. 10/10 would recommend!
@@TheNovakihn thanks for the response!
Good review Chop's - yes typical Honda,it does everything you want and a bit more but 'Safe' is probably a good description lol.Now if Honda were to cut loose a bit,dig out their old VF500 Engine,take it to 600cc and build a middleweight to VFR standards id be down to my local Dealers tomorrow with cash in my hand !.
Great video as usual LC. I really like the look of the bike, did you notice if it was fitted with LED indicators? because as you say £7700 is a really good price. I've recently bought a new GSX-S1000 and blow me does it go. I watched your review on the gsx and I must admit it inspired me to have a test ride and then buy one.
EBC HH sintered pads fitted. Can say it makes a big difference. Only need two fingers to do most of my hard braking now.
Good review Lamb Chop.
alwas people saying that this thing is "heavy" and here i am toally used to my little old bandit s 600 which has 30kg more 'dry' ...
also the cbr 650 r really was meant to be the mid-line between supersport and sportstourer.
comfortable enough for daily commuting and touring but still giving you a bit of 'sportiness' for the fun weekends while also not going crazy on your wallet either
Lamb Chop, excellent video! I own this bike. The key to riding this machine is 4th gear! Zooming around town, I keep it in gear #4. That's the secret.
I personally own while daily riding this exact bike . I have ditched a car for a bike going on 4 years and from the ninja to the cbr , I personally just like riding this more . I purely love that Honda made a nsx street bike . Thats how I feel it is
I watched Mossy review this bike over on 44teeth. He was on the same page as you. He was in Spain or something and would of been happy to ride it back to the UK, such were the comfort levels. A bike that isn't outstanding but can do everything well enough is what I'm getting. Thanks Chops I enjoyed that vid mate.
It’s a shame they didn’t give it a bit more performance mixed with the comfort. Still looks like a vast improvement on the last model.
I agree. That front cowl looks nicer than the current Fireblade. Sounds like a new version of my old CBR600F from a few years back. Comfy but mildly sporty. Like a nice Korma. The ZX6-R is more of a Rogan Josh - a bit more spicy! The H2 is obviously a vindaloo - colon-tightening, fire breather!
Haha your right there, love the analogy Mac 😁
The plug is for trickle charger.
Love the reviews from lamb chop, can’t say I recommend wheels though...try to buy a bike there, had to chase them up twice then they never even got back to me! I certainly don’t recommend them
Can't fault the guys at 'Wheels'. Just been to their Leicester dealership and got some stonking deals on their clothing as having an open day today Saturday 20th July....
Quick shifter is a additional extra you could be lucky to get one with the bike if you pick up a demo.👍
The usual middle of the road Honda motorcycle, it really is the Vauxhall Astra of motorcycles.
Reliable / no oil leaks / bulletproof / value for money , I really can't understand why people buy them ..................
BGS Member but I’m the UK or Europe in general it’s great value for money. And if I was to get a r6 my insurance would be 5 grand on this it’s less than my R125 which is 1400. The CB will cost me 1000 so there’s a market for it here
That plug under the seat might be for the pc input for service records etc
i like this bike! i will add it!!
Pro Tip: Remove the seat. Now thread the screws that hold the seat on, all the way in and tighten. Now put the seat sections back in place. You now have tool free seat removal.
I’d be interested to see how this compares to its naked partner the CB650R for you. I’m torn between the 2 and similar size and build.
Did you notice the hazard lights coming on when you hit the brakes. Good review. Nice bike.
ABS intervention alert(s)
BTW you can reverse engineer the rear tail to do a delete and flush the tag. I self engineered that .
Would love to see you review the Ninja 650. Be nice to hear your thoughts on it.
Sharp!
Let's just say I absolutely love this bike. I bought one not so long ago and have already put over 700 miles on the clock. If you ride it out to the limiter in the first few gears it really can get up to rather stupid speeds rather quickly eg. 80+mph in 1st gear isn't exactly terrible. It makes its power at 8000rpm, with a bit of smaller kick at 6000rpm. To get the most of it, you do have to rev it, but it's a very comfortable and enjoyable bike to ride. It doesn't exactly scare you shitless, but it can definitely put a smile on your face. For the price to me it's almost a perfect bike, the only things it was missing for me was a set of panniers and a double bubble screen to put the wind a little higher. Either way I don't see myself ever really needing to upgrade, plenty enough for the road that's for sure...
Anyways great video chops. Keep up the good work
I love the Honda 650 , nice test , regards from RSA " bikes performance is more than adequate given the legal speed limits in most countries.
A Yamaha R3 is enough for the roads :D
@@Braselton21 given the legal speed limits on most national roads i agree with you , depending on the RPM at 120km' p/h but I can easily live with an R3 or even a CBR 300 , 1 st price for me would be the 400 kawasaki
I have been riding since 74 without a wreck: 175 Enduro, 400 Enduro, SR650, 900 Custom, 125 Enduro, 1000, 1200, CBR 650R.
Hi Lamb Chop,another great review of the CBR so much so I am exchanging my 17 VFR800 tomorrow for one. Now being in my tender years (69) I hope it does the job. Keep up with the great videos, take care.
hi! How do you like the CBR650 comparing to VFR800?
@@V.D.22 Hi,totally different bike, small, compact and lighter.So far I think it's great.Done 800 miles had first service and getting around 65 mpg. Thanks for your interest.
@@johnwood7306 nice! But don't you consider the 2017 VFR800 a better bike?
I’ve got my a2. Thinking of getting this and then when I’ve got my full licence take the restrictor off. First big bike. Hope it’s ok on A2
Heard you make reference to the brake horse power comparing it to the kwak zx6r but didn’t hear you say the actual bhp on the Honda so had to look it up , 93.9 ,, one bhp down on my 21 yr old fazer 600 amazing , but no doubt a well built bike for those that want one , cheers Shane uk
Yeah sorry Shane forgot to mention it didn't I! 👍
I think the plug under the seat is the OBD port
Nice review of the ZX6R.... Lol.
How does the ergos on this compare to the SV650X? Because when you explain the ergos on this I'm thinking, yes, yes, YES, that's my cup of tea. Not too upright, slightly tilt, but still in the comfy zone.
03:30 Just for reference, it costs 12,000+ pounds in Norway (plus registration which is about 330 pounds)
Welcome to super taxed countries, same story in Denmark.
Still worth every cent tho, much much better bikes than the MT-07-SV650, and price wise not super different.
Indonesia 250cc is the largest bike we have that don't require special license but if you want more power Honda 650r Is all you need.
As a 59 year old fart liking sports bikes, the CBR650R is just the ticket. Great Review.
I don't know about everyone else but I got an insurance quote and they listed it the same as a 600 super sport and I don't know why i'm honestly pretty disappointed because that is the main reason why this won't be my next bike.
I'm assuming a good tune could help with some low and mid end power?
Think it is a great first big bike although I think I prefer the look of the naked CB650.
Yes it's a good stepping stone indeed 👍
Thanks for the great honest review. I have a MT125 and am learning rn, this is what i am thinking if buying next. I, like you, don’t like the rear also. I wish it had another 20bhp, other than that i think its going to be my next purchase after getting my full bike license. 👍🏽
I would say it's perfect for you as that stepping stone bike 👍
@@LambChopRides When are you going to test the new BMW s1000RR lamb shops ?
Just get an Aprilia RS 660 and smile all the way into the sunset :))
I think this is a real mix up of bikes, full on sport at the front, streetfighter at the rear, 650 engine but inline four instead of the inline twin, with a bit more power. The seating is probably like the sport tourer 650's (like mine stock) but with slight more of a lean maybe?
I will have to visit wheels at some point when I have the fuel on a nice day, as they are not far from me, 70 miles down the road 👍
Its a very enjoyable motorcycle to be honest. I tried one out for a half day and it was very comfortable (not like a sports bike) but there is a very noticeable gap in the mid and low range. Problem is Honda tuned this engine to be 95 hp so that you could have it on an A2 licence. Im sure, as Mr Chops says, that it could produce way more power and torque. But as it is it is very much lacking in power.
As you say this bike is too much of a mix up, a compromise to be any good in any specific category:
There are better options if you want an actual sports bike
There are better options if you want a daily bike
Sheep in wolf's clothing is the perfect comparison.
@@Stratocasterhead51 Nobody should really be thinking of this bike as a super sport, but it is between the 600 supers and the 650 sport tourers like my Kawasaki ER6f, and a great alternative to both.
They have great power and more importantly torque for what they are. They look more like a sport bike and go like a 650 twin but with a 4 cylinder sound and a better top end. I know a young lady who has one and it a great all rounder in a catagory rigjt between the usual favourites. You and Mr Chops are right about the A2 licence being in mind when tuned, but I don't think that's a bad thing really, although not needed imo, it can easily be boosted with mods and a tune.
@@HalfdeadRider Oh i agree, it is in a different class to a supersports, more a cross between a sports tourer and a sports bike.
Had i not tested the zx6r 3 weeks prior to the honda, i may have probably bought it, but the one that i kept thinking of was the 636 and its crazy engine. cbr is a sensible choice but the 636 is a REAL sports bike.
@@Stratocasterhead51 Oh yes, for sure the current 636 seems (I've not ridden it) to be a great bike, 636's are anyway of course, but with the gearing change alone it makes it even better I would imagine, I really must get a test ride on some bikes if I can without risking losing £1k that I literally do not have.
Cylinder configuration and capacity isn't what makes an engine, there are many different inline-4 600cc engines. ZX-6R is a real "sports" bike, a "race replica", made for track (and road). This is a sportified CB650, naked, a street bike. It's great for what it is but it isn't fair to call it disappointing because it's not in the same class.
Yeah, it's a good-looking bike. I like to see some engine, not all fairing; the cutaway for the exhaust is a nice touch. Decent.
What do you think it would be like for the test? The turning circle still as bad as any other sport bike?
That looks alreet that! Sadly the supersport class is dead now so I guess Honda have reinvented the wheel and turned the CBR into a great first big boy pants bike.
Yeah in the real world where people just put around with a spirited twist of the wrist here and there.. no track days.. no street Rossi's. But any bike can get you killed, if you're heavy on the throttle.
you cant really compare this to a zx6 tbh, this is meant to be replacing the 650f so its not an out and out cbr, think it got the R on it just from the looks. i would say this is a sporty sport tourer not a mid weight super sport. great bike though for the price and the level of quality you get. have been very very impressed with it.
Thanks
I think the way the wheel sticks out so far since there's no cowling, that if you put a tail tidy on (shorter than the original) your going to get you're back plastered with crap when you drive it in the rain.
Yup. That's how my 2014 650f is set up. Gotta avoid puddles lmao
lovely brother...honda cbr650r or suzuki gsx s750??? which one will you choose??
I had the The 2011fabs and it had a lovely sound with an ixil exhaust can on it, but I found the back would squat on tight corners and my back would hurt after 60miles. Lovely bikes but i think you need to be small
Haha, blurred the display at 4:30 not to get into trouble, right ?
Who'd win in a race, this Honda or the Yamaha Mt-09? I know they're totally different rides, but I'm just wondering cuz I'm stuck in between of which one of these toys i shall buy next month..!!! Any help will be greatly appreciated..
Yes it lools better in front than 1000
In the States, the base ZX-6R is only $600 more than the CBR650R. ZX-6R $9,999. CBR650R $9,399.
John P. Very lucky. My country zx6r is $18000 and
Cbr650r is $10,700.
I upgraded to one of these from MT125 after passing my license. The screen is not the same as the cb1000r(unfortunately).
I believe it’s limited to 95hp for the eastern market and it cannot be converted to A2 friendly if it made more than 95 Hp in standard format. It definitely needs more midrange grunt. Hoping a filter, flash tune and Akro will help there once it’s available, or I could replace it with something else but have no idea what. To my knowledge there are no similar bikes out there with 120 ish horsepower. Please tell me if there is.
I’ve spent 6 hours on the bike in one day and I’m a middle aged fat rider so yes it is comfortable in the twisties but not so much on the motorway.
Power socket: I’ve added it to my bike and to my disgust found out it’s under the rear seat so about as useful as tits on a fish. I’ve also added the comfort pack which has heated grips and a double bubble screen. The way that the dealer fitted this with black electrical tape is utterly disgusting. I would not bother. Buy an aftermarket unit and fit it yourself.
Overall a great bike. Probably one of your best reviews Chops. Love the way you give it some!
I have yet to test ride either, but riding position and style-wise the CBR650R seems to have a lot of similarities with the Ducati SuperSport. The major difference being that L-twin engine. However it does have that 113hp and a lot more torque (+24 ft-lb).
Selling my Speed Triple soon and I plan on test riding both of these but the Duc would have to be pretty special to be worth the much higher price and maintenance costs over the Honda!
It's a damn streetbike, it's detuned for a reliability.
The rs660 might also be a good choice for you
I'm stuck here mate! I have a 125 at the moment and am getting my A2 very soon. Should I get the CBR500R or this and restrict it? I like the 500 but I just think the engine sound is crap
Sounds pretty good for a stock exhaust?
Ive just bought this bike im really pleased with it. Thinking of having the quick shifter fitted, is it up and down or just up?
It's not ride-by-wire, so it's only a quick shifter then, no auto-blipper.
I'd love a bike that has 636 power with clip ons like the Honda for my old back.
Mt10 or tuono both have more comfortable seating a bars and more power than the 636. Mt10 can be had for 10-11k
Just passed my full licence and i am really stuck for choice on what to go for. Terrible at deciding haha. Always wanted a CBR600rr growing up but the naked’s are very tempting like the GSR750 or the street triple but then I’m thinking i want something a bit more hooligany like the 701 🤔. Your vids are ace though and are probably making me more stuck for choice to be honest haha. Keep up the great work chops 👍🏼 love the content!
Thanks very much matey, it's tough isn't it so many good bikes out there!
Too true mate aha i’ll get there in the end I’m sure 🙄😂
I’ve had 3 R6’s, a CBR600RR, CBR600F, ZX6R and a Triumph Street Triple R. The Triumph is the most fun bike I’ve ever had. But, ultimately you’ll find enjoyment in any of the bikes you mentioned, just be honest with yourself about what you’ll actually use it for. Enjoy!
Michael Hodgkinson Cheers mate, i do really like the street triple r but i must say I’m not too fond of the front end personally. Not enough to turn me off one though i don’t think. I have inherited my dads old CBR1000f which i’ll always keep but its a bit of a barge to be jumping on straight from a 125. The Ducati Hypermotards are i think at the top of my list but a tad pricey too. I think I’m in need of a few test rides to help sway me 🤔
Congrats. I just passed my DAS yesterday and am in the market for this and quite a few other bikes. But what a nice dilema to be in, eh? 😀👍
The CB650R is not a "supersport" like the Ninja 636, it's more of a street bike and it's better in its naked form - CB650F. The R version with the fairings looks sporty but it's still the same street bike underneath... meaning that it is set up to be fun to ride on public streets not so much the race track.
The particular engine is specifically built for this bike, the 650, and it has a very healthy mid-range. I don't know how anyone would come from a 600 super sport and say that the 650 lacks in "punch" compared to any of the super sports that really don't wake up until you're revving above 7K RPM. I cruise around just fine at 4-5K RPM and it never feels sluggish to me...and when I open it up it flies at speeds more than fast enough for riding upon public roads.
The problem I have with reviews like this is that it's trying claim the bike is something that it's not (a supersport) and then complain that it's not as good as actual super sports for whatever. The 650R / 650F are excellent bikes when you want great usable performance on the street, comfort so your spine isn't jack-hammerer by every bump in the road, and a riding position that doesn't induce fatigue. This bike is definitely worth its slight price premium over other bikes that are in its actual class.
This or the 701sm, Street triple rs, mt09 or the Z900? I want a quick easy bike that is fun even in slow speed?
The "accessory" under the seat is to plug into a battery charger. Oxford if I'm not mistaken, the "Oximiser" so that's probably dealer fitted so the battery doesn't go flat between run outs. I'd get the Ninja 650 instead, better value no major differences.
Thanks for the video. Real Middleweight Fireblade => Babyblade :-)
Love this beast but would have been much better if the tail was little sharp
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As a owner of this exact bike whos done over 8k miles on it . What should I step up too. I have been undecided