TUNING SMALL TOMS TO SOUND LIKE BIG TOMS AKA THE BOOTS BUILD feat A Mapex Saturn Evolution Kit KS
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- Howdy everyone. Here is an updated version of a great overview video discussing how to tune small toms to sound like big toms while still retaining attack for large rooms.
To help support my channel, AND get a great lesson in drum tuning please stream the full step-by-step drum tuning lesson at
www.kennysharretts.com/ppv-on...
Mapex Drums asked me to do an online tuning clinic at Lessonsquad.com discussing how I would put together a Saturn Evolution Kit for Mapex artist Eric "Boots" Green as is a drummer for whom I have teched. The clinic has passed, but the kit review/tuning tips still retain their value, and the full step by step drum tuning lessons are now available to stream @ www.kennysharretts.com . During this video you will hear the reasons why I chose the shells I chose for Boots' needs, demos of 3 different tunings, and details for streaming the lesson series on how I tuned these toms to 3 complete tuning profiles that help you get deeper tones out of smaller toms while still retaining attack.
PRODUCTS USED IN THIS VIDEO
Mapex Saturn Evolution Workhorse 5-piece Shell Pack - Maple & Walnut
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Drum N Base Vintage Persian Style Stage Rug - Bonzo
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GoPro HERO9 Black 5K Waterproof Action Camera
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Ahead Armor Cases Multi-Snare/Timbale Case 16" x 14" with 2 Stacker Inserts
Multiple Snare/Timbale Case
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Zildjian 21 inch K Sweet Ride Cymbal
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Zildjian 19 inch K Dark Crash Cymbal
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Zildjian 17 inch K Custom Dark Crash Cymbal
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14 inch A Zildjian Mastersound Hi-hat Cymbals
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D'Addario PW-CMIC-25 Classic Series Microphone Cable - 25 foot
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Gibraltar GEMS Electronic Mounting Station
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Ultimate Support MC-125 Professional Studio Boom Microphone Stand
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Ultimate Support PRO-X-T-SHORT-T Pro Series Short Telescoping Boom Mic Stand
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Ultimate Support PRO-X-T-T Pro Series Extreme Telescoping Boom Mic Stand
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Overtone Labs Tune-Bot Studio Drum Tuner
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This is one of the most educational drum channels out there. Kenny, you're too kind to us man
Thank you so much for the kind words, and for watching. Just trying to leave a legacy for today’s, and tomorrow’s drummers. Please note you can now use Super Thanks to help support my channel, or check out my step by step lessons at www.kennysharretts.com.
I love you passion and energy and enthusiasm for drums, tuning, caring for equipment and the narrative you bring - been watching some of your videos for years and they are some of the most informative around. Thank you!!
Thank you so much for the kind words. You have made my day. Thank you so much for watching, and commenting.
Always great learning from you Kenny.. playing diy shows and gigs makes me my own tech and your tips and tricks really do help.. appreciate you!
Man my pleasure. Thank you so much for the kind words, and for watching. Truly sorry it took a year to reply 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ I probably liked, and loved your comment, then went to reply and was most likely distracted by my drummer as I was out teching at the time. 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Hence your comment disappeared from my notifications list. Sincerely thank you, and as I’m telling all my viewers Super Thanks is now available on my vids to help support my channel. 🙏
You have the best tuning videos.
Thank you so much for the kind words, and watching. As I’m telling everyone the Suoer Thanks button is now on my vids to tip for the tips, and if you want more in depth lessons while helping to support my channel please stream lessons at www.kennysharretts.com 🙏🙏🙏
Amazing vid! You break down the what and why of drum tuning in a way that us easy to understand! I have learned so much very quickly. You are a great tech and a great teacher. Thank you so much.
Thank you so much for the kind words. 🤘🏻 Please check out the full step by step lesson at www.kennysharretts.com for a more in depth lesson on how to get these tunings, and to help support my channel. 🤘🏻Thank you as well for watching, and commenting.
You always make me smile Kenny! I play the older Limited edition Mapex Saturn in Birch/walnut before they rereleased the hybrid shells. So cool to see you working with a kit so similar to mine! Always love the content!
Maaan thank you for the kind words. I needed this today. Stoked to know you enjoy the content.
Kenny! The fact that you respond to your followers says a lot about you!! You’re the real deal my friend
Thank you my brother. I try. I’m grateful for those who watch, and genuinely started this channel to help my fellow drummers. Thank you as always for watching, and commenting.
I recently took out my saturns from the closet and immediately fell in love with them. What a great sounding and feeling instrument
Yes they are amazing drums. Mapex makes good gear. Sorry I never saw this comment
Fantastic as always Kenny!
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Your energy and attitude are so enjoyable!
Thank you so much for the kind words drum fam. Alas sometimes I just can't help it as I love getting great drum sounds. And then hitting them. 😂😂😂 Yeah hitting them. 💥💥💥Or my drummers hitting them. That's cool too. 😂🤘🤘✊Thank you so much for watching, and commenting.
@@KennySharretts Definitely have a proud new subscriber. I like how you hit on the nuance and detail of tuning, materials, fitting the right drummer and gig with the right equipment and tunings, and so on.. I will be hiring a drum tech in March and when I do I will definitely be having them subscribe to you. Some people think you guys just set up drums and sound check them, but being an excellent drum tech is an art and learned skill set of equal importance of who you were “teching” for.
Bro, i am from a small city in the Extreme North of Brazil. I love your Content and your voice is LENGENDARY!!!! Keep it up, amigo
Broooo I just wrapped up a crazy busy tour, so sorry for the delayed reply. Thank you so much for the kind words, and for watching. I’m hoping to start doing some VO work soon so thank you for the pump up on the voice. 🙌
Sound superb man. Gotta try this tuning!
Thank you so much for the kind words, and for watching. If you want a step by step lesson on how to get these tunings on your kit, please support my channel by streaming the Step By Step lesson for all three of these tuning profiles at
www.kennysharretts.com/ppv-only-page?wix-vod-video-id=52933c2de4d242879ea545e25b17a214&wix-vod-comp-id=comp-kn2dgsdc
Thanks for the explanation Kenny!
My pleasure. Thank you for watching, and commenting. You can stream the full step by step lesson on how I got all these tunings at
www.kennysharretts.com/ppv-only-page
Streaming a lesson helps to support my channel, AND gives you a wicked set of tuning skills to boot. 🙏🙏🙏
Nice one kenny, im from down under and i play mapex too this is gonna help me for sure when tuning my toms. Cheers!!
Excellent. Thank you so much for watching. The step by step lessons at KennySharretts.com will really walk you through the process I used. And its cheaper than a 30 min drum lesson at your local drum shop. ✊
5:44 All 4 toms sounds 👍🏻
Great sound, dude. Thanks.
You are welcome 🤗 thank you so much for watching 🥁
I have my toms tuned so i can play "off to the races" between my 10, 12, 14, 16. 1 kit is keller maple, the other mahogany. Great kits. Thanks Kenny. 👍
That’s awesome. Call to post is a classic set of intervals that sounds good for most music. Thank you for watching, and commenting. 🤘🏻
I own a mapex saturn 3 and 5 you just can't go wrong with these kits,I had the saturn 3 in storage for two years and it was still perfectly in tune when I set it up
Great kits right?
Great video thanks for sharing! Are you using coated Ambassador’s in this video? 👍🤟
Thank you so much for the kind words brother. Yesish 😆 on the heads. They are the coated single ply stock Mapex heads that come with kit. Thank you so much for watching, and commenting.
Enjoyed the video. Thanks
Thank you for watching.
Have you tested the CRS - cymbal resonnance system for cymbals? Interested to hear your thoughts about it!
Not yet, but great idea. Thank you for watching, and commenting.
Nice meaty tuning range. Always loved the Slingerland style hoops. By far my favorite. Kenny is a human tune bot!
Thank you for the kind words, and for commenting. Agreed there’s something special about these types of hoops, and on these shells they definitely add some beef. Thank you for watching, and as i’m telling all my viewers Super Thanks is now available on my vids to help support my channel. 🙏
Kenny, love your videos, man.... How would you tune a 8 Inch Rack Tom with this methodolgy. I'm only a 710 yo recreational drummer, who is just Learning to Fly in drum Tuning. I have a PDP Concept maple kit (8,10,12, rack Toms, 14 & 16 Floor Toms. I use variuos snares..... 10 (popcorn), 2- 13 inch, and a 14X 5.5 PDP, and a 14 X 6.5 DW Design series Metal snare. I bought the kit USED, and will just keep this guy for sure... I also keep interchnaging batter heads to get That "Sound".
Hi Aldo thank you so much for the kind words, and for commenting. Sorry for the delayed reply. Check out my vid Tuning Intervals For A 5 Tom Kit
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to see what I did with my student’s 8” Tom .
Kenny your the Man ✊🏿✊🏿
Thank you so much for the kind words, and for watching sir. Much appreciated.
@@KennySharretts , I wish I could speak with you by phone. There’s a few questions I have for you. You’ve really helped me with my tuning
Do you start all tuning with the bottom first?
Can you give any tips when tuning wood hoops? Just got a pdp concept classic with wood hoop toms
I’ve tuned a few of those kits. I’ll put something together soon.
@@KennySharretts that’s a cool idea
Maybe I missed an explanation, but why not just get bigger drums vs tuning a 10 like a 12 (and on down the line)?
Also, are your earbuds just regular wireless earbuds, or actually wireless IEM? Thanks for all you do for the drumming community! Most excellent content, well spoken, and easy to listen to / understand. Cheers!
Howdy Brian. First of all thank you for watching, and for the kind words. The reason I made this video is that over the past 20 years one of the most sold kit setups is 10,12,14 followed by 10,12,16. I know tons of drummers just in Austin, TX gigging on 10/14 setups for ease of setup/tear down, small stage on 6th street or like many drummers who only have one kit it’s what ya got to gig on lol. Their gigs often have songs for which deeper Tom sounds are most suited. Almost all of them have 10” Toms tuned so low that tbh they are not really tuned. Why even have a hoop except to keep the head on the drum. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 awful for the drummer, awful for the sound man, awful for the listener. So I made this video to help those drummers get good deep tom sounds without having the drum continuously going slack due to a lack of tension or having their 10” sound like a bongo to keep tension on it. I’m sure if they had the $$’s and wanted bigger toms they would buy another kit, but alas we’re drummers. When do we have any money? 🤣🤣🤣🤣jk but seriously this is also a helpful topic for a young drummer in the studio with your band for the first time, you want big deep Tom sounds, and all you have is 10,12,14. Same with say a church drummer playing on a house kit. Too high will get you the pastors eye. Dead flappy low, and the MD will be no, no, no. 🤣🤣🤣
Finally I made this vid as a companion to my full step by step drum tuning lesson at www.kennysharretts.com which takes you step by step through three tuning profiles I use on tour for drummers such as Stanley Randolph, Kenny Aronoff, John Roberts, or with Mickey on my current gig with the Dead. For only $30 bucks at that. Please note that streaming the lesson helps to support my channel, and teaches you a wicked set of tuning skills to boot.
As far as the IEM’s they are molded UE 11 Pros. Absolutely love them. They are made specifically for drummers/bassists. I have a set of 18’s I use for key/playback tech gigs, but when drumming or being a drum tech, it’s my 11’s all the way. The best part is if I get their IPX connector you can swap your 1/8” cable for their Bluetooth cable easy peasy. If you ever want to get some UE Pro 7’s, 11’s 18’s RR, or Live Models please use my discount code KENNYSUE for 20% off of the models listed above.
Thanks!
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All drums have a range that is a sweet spot. Low doesn't,t ring well and high can be choked out. Low medium to high medium. You can achieve lower sound by lowering the reso.
If you watched the video you would know the toms “rang” well, had great attack, and projected at all 3 lower tensions I used. Low doesn’t,t mean barely on the drum. In the step by step lesson now streaming at www.kennysharretts.com/video-courses?wix-vod-video-id=52933c2de4d242879ea545e25b17a214&wix-vod-comp-id=comp-lcl5ds5j
I put the skills in your hands to tune a drum so ALL the spots are sweet spots. Also in this video the resos are tuned higher than the batter, but not so high that they are choked. Having your reso head tuned too tightly, is a common misstep with drum tuning. Thank you for commenting 🙏
i always have a problem with my bass drum getting the double pedal to feel good .Any suggestions ? Loose heads muffling confused lol
The challenge is DB pedals don’t accommodate sloppy kick back very well. Lolol. That’s why super loose (wrinkled) heads feel good, as often does tighter tunings. Alas both of these sacrifices bottom end. The thing you actually want from a bd. For intermediate drummers sharpening their craft a bit of tight muffling can help settle the head at low to med tensions to help you better control your strokes. I will have to put something together. Thank you for watching
@@KennySharretts Ty for the Reply
What kind of cymbals do you like to play?
I’m generally a Zildjian player. I use a mix of K s, A s, and A Customs.
Thank you for this video Kenny! Do you have experience with the Mapex Armory drums?
Absolutely. They are awesome for the price. Similar bearing edge design as these.
Thanks. I have the Armory kit with the fast toms and love the sound. How is the bearing edge on the Saturn Evolution different?
Thanks. I have the Armory kit with the fast toms and love the sound. How is the bearing edge on the Saturn Evolution different?
Thanks. I have the Armory kit with the fast toms and love the sound. How is the bearing edge on the Saturn Evolution different?
Thanks. I have the Armory kit with the fast toms and love the sound. How is the bearing edge on the Saturn Evolution different?
Man, I wish you could help me out. My pearl export sounds terrible. I just got my first acoustic kit and the sounds it makes hurt my soul. I bought a tunebot but apparently I don't know what I'm doing lol
I can help you out with online drum tuning lessons. I can show you how to make that bot work for you rather than it working your nerves. 🤣🤣🤣 hit me up at www.kennysharretts.com to book a lesson. They are very effective. Thank you for the kind words, and for watching.
@@KennySharretts I'll hit you up Friday! I'm going on vacation so I'll have the time to be available when you're available.
I bought a drum dial to. Every time I'd get a lug to the desired number I'd go to the one across and by time I got that one it had stretched the head so the first one was off again lol
@@KennySharretts what would be a good day for you? I get my check Friday and will schedule the appointment once I'm off work. I'm on vacation Sunday through Sunday. I'm in the Dallas area so no worries about different time zones. Here's a video I showed another drummer on youtube that was curious about my kit. It's horrible quality. I'm no youtuber lol
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I just put new evans uv2 on the kit. I'm wanting a low deep sound but also looking for a bounce to the heads if that's possible. Thank you. I really appreciate you helping me out. I'm a new drummer and the majority of my journey was on an electronic kit. I've only had the Pearl for about a month and a half.
What’s the interval between that 10” and 14”?
Off hand without referencing I believe it is either a major 6th ish or 7th ish lol. There’s always a touch of drift in the fundamentals. The heads top and bottom are tuned either a Major 6th apart or a 7th apart. To get all the pitches, and exact tunings including Drum Dial, and Tune Bot settings please check out the full step by step lesson at www.kennysharretts.com/video-courses
Thank you for watching, and commenting.
@@KennySharretts awesome thanks for replying brother! Much appreciated. Have learned a LOT from you!
How are these drums with two ply heads?
My Buddy Luke Matheson dropped some UV2s on his, and he loves it. My bet is they will sound great. Thank you for watching 🙏
@@KennySharretts thank you so much! Be blessed!
Let me guess, tune them lower?
🤣🤣🤣🤣 yes. But how, and why? Now that’s another matter. 🤘🏻
I dont understand the trend towards small drums, and then try to make them sound large. Why not just buy the larger drum to start with?
To the truth of sound absolutely. However, I know many a gigging drummer in ATX who carry a 10”/14” combo because it’s sooooo much easier. Especially with space on stage issues, parking, and back muscles to consider. 🤣 several popular rooftop spots w/live music in ATX 🤣🤗🤗 Yet the toms gotta sound deep. In addition of you have a smaller frame smaller drums tend to fit your body/reach better. Finally it was a trend for the longest time that stock kits were 10,12, 14. For example Soooo many churches have that setup. Gotta keep the toms low at church 🤣 So I made this vid for those peeps as well as to teach anyone how to do it, and stay in tune. Just my thoughts on the matter. 🤗Thank you for watching, and commenting.
i like the feel of a 10" tom and its positioning abilities. i do like the sound of a 12. so i use thicker heads, like coated emporors on the 10" tune low.
as kenny stated, much easier to lug around as well.
sometimes i use a 20" kick on a riser. again- small size, tune low. going for punch. easy on the back.
As a drum tech you should know, but drum material is not as important as head choice and bearing edge. There might be a slight difference in sound between the wood or materials of the shells but most people couldn’t tell the difference. It all about the heads that make the real difference, the rest is all hype.
As a drum tech I do know that bearing edge, and head choice are primary factors contributing to the sound a drum produces. However, as a pro tech of 20 years I can confidently say that a Maple snare, and walnut snare have completely different sounds. Same with metal and wood. In fact if the heads are the same on each kit I can confidently say that you can tell the difference between a Maple kit, and Birch kit, or an Oak kit, or a Walnut kit. With hybrids the differences can be subtle. You may not be able to hear the difference, but the drum mic can. Especially in the studio vs. say your garage. As can an experienced engineer. Will they do a drastic change in their mix to accommodate the wood? Probably not other than subtle EQ changes to enhance what the drum is giving them. So again while heads, and bearing edge play a major part in a drums sound if everything is equal the differences in a wood’s tone is quite noticeable. Thank you for watching, and for commenting.
@@KennySharretts like I said there might be some slight differences , but my real point is the difference between top of the line drums and lower end is all hype. Like Yamaha recording customs compared to the touring customs, it’s more about the finish and hardware, and that in no way is worth double the price. If you know what you’re doing you can get a good sound out of any drum.
@@maeu59 now that’s an entirely different thing 🤣🤣 I agree that if you know what you are doing you can make any drum sound great. Shoot I just dialed in a PDP Centerstaging kit for my friends nephew. Sounded awesome for the price, and I was quite impressed by how good that beginner kit was. I’ve tuned DW performance and designer series kits that sounded incredible. Same with the Mapex Armory, Yamaha Stage customs for gosh sake and they all sounded incredible. When I was recovering from a broken ankle and could finally play gigs I used my Ludwig Breakbeats kit with my Dynasonic snare, and every engineer was blown away that this little kit could sound so good. One engineer asked if I had a trigger on that 16” kick . I posed the question “Am I sending you trigger outputs?” He said no, yet still his brain was thinking “it’s gotta be a trigger.”🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ However, if used my QBB snare that it would sound just as good as my Dyna? Ahhh nope. I’ve done some great sounding vids on my QBB, a friend’s Designer Series, and even this Mapex kit, but do I think they sound AS good under the mics as my Rogers Covington kit or my DW Collector series kit? Nope. The mic knows the difference. Better hardware? Absolutely makes a difference in the tone, and tuning of a drum much less the long term durability of such said hardware. Better quality wood in the shells makes a difference? Absolutely. You can’t tell me that the hardwood/poplar shells on the QBB (which are very bright, and rangy. Like Birches ruffian cousin, but with a heart of gold), will sound just as good under a mic as a Yamaha Recording Custom or a Tama Starclassic Bubinga kit. But as my vids prove the QBB can sound really good. I can’t believe I didn’t mention Bubinga as it has a COMPLETELY different tone than anything on the planet. Same with Jarrah wood or my solid shell Mesquite snares. That being said I can also agree that an Acrolite snare is one of the best sounding snares on the planet. On countless recordings it has killed it. Moreover, I do agree that high end drums come with more hype than is needed. There are some amazing “mid level” kits that sound awesome , and I would totally be stoked to tech or tour on. So while we may disagree on some of the finer details, we do agree on the matter in general. 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
@@KennySharretts very informative thank you.