Wouxun KG-1000G GMRS Repeater Build Update - How Is The GMRS Repeater Working After 30 Days?
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- čas přidán 18. 06. 2024
- Final update on my homemade DIY GMRS repeater built with two Wouxun KG-1000G GMRS mobile radios.
Products I used to build my homemade GMRS repeater:
Wouxun KG-1000G GMRS radio:
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Tram 1486 UHF base antenna:
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30AMP 12V DC Power Supply:
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GMRS Duplexer:
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Randy. I've been a ham for over 50 years and in electronics for longer than that. I always learn something on your site. Your sense of humor is enlightening. You would make one hell of an instructor. Kudos my friend.
Hi, Randy. It's me again, ARES stands for Amateur Emergency Radio Service. We serve as a backup when all other communications fail. But now after listening to you I feel GMRS could be a better backup if we had the GMRS repeaters in place. Again, thanks for all of your effort in putting these videos together. Alan.
That sounds great Alan, only if the FCC would give us a additional frequencies for emergency like in the old days using channel 9 on a CB !!!!!!!!!!!
I'm hoping to start something like that in my area. My plan for it is just about local communication when other means go out, so everyone can check on each other. I will reach out to the local Ham community to coordinate outside communication if I can get the idea off the ground.
After the Carr Fire and Camp Fire, this is something I've given serious thought about. Sadly, my income prevents me from actualizing this vision for Shasta County.
Idiocracy wasn’t a comedy, it was a documentary.
You've emptied your equipment cabinet and turned it into a dashboard. Well done! Enjoy your posts for their knowledge, their humor, and your humbled delivery.
Starting the video with a Mike Judge movie reference. You are a man of culture!
As always, excellent information. Remember, "Lead, follow or get out of the way"
Thanks for the wrap up. I’ve been looking forward to it.
Glad it's working good for you Randy, thanks for the update.
great job with the antennas and radio guts placement. hope it continues to work for many years
Great video series!
I will be mounting my KG-1000G in my Jeep Wrangler this weekend!
Thank you for these videos they are very informative and funny keep up the good work😊
Thanks for the update! I was just about to ask you how the repeater is working when I found this video. I enjoy your videos and think you are providing a much needed service.
A+ brother, I just purchased 7 KG1000G’s for my family. Love your videos, they’re refreshingly informational.
You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. Thanks again for an awesome video.
As always, very helpful... I enjoy your channel... I have learned a lot and really appreciate how you present information. Thank you!
Thank you for this series of videos on building a GMRS repeater.. Would love for you to join ranks of Amateur Radio operators if you are not already a ham.
A year or so back, when I was considering getting my ham-license, all the sad-hams online made it very clear that newcomers were not welcome in their elite ranks.. So, no thanks.
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Those kind are the Dickh - - d hams. Pay them no mind. With your sense of humour and vast wealth of knowledge, you would be quite welcomed on any ham repeater I hang out on.
@@TheNotaRubicon With out new people into the Ham hobby, it would die out and the frequencies would get sold off, I am A "Ham" and I am sad, but I am sad because the UK does not have GMRS, it is an excellent way to use radio, we have the FRS equivalent and we call it PMR446, 500mw advertised as 3 mile range but goes as far as you can throw, Love this series of repeater videos and thankyou ♥
I setup a repeater much the same as yours Randy. I ended up using two different antenn's as well. From what I have been finding out is the XLT duplexers are for small portable radio's with less than 5 watts of output. In order to get the Wouxuns to work with it I had to turn down the x-mitter radio to low power. Once I removed the XLT from the system and installed the 2nd antenna , everything worked normally. I recommend using a set of Harvest BC200 antenna's as they are already pretuned for the GMRS frequencies. (They look the same as the Tram 1486). This info is of course based on my install of the Wouxun KG1000 radios. I also will add my antenn's are approx. 75' feet apart and the transmitting antenna is about 10ft below the receive one.
Good job! Love the videos. Glad to hear it went well.
Great videos!
I live on Maui and for obvious reasons I’m working toward setting up a SHTF repeater for my immediate family and friends, I’ll likely leave it open for others. Thank you very much for your excellent guidance. I may have questions as I work into this but I won’t bug you, I’m sure many do.
Thanks for the update! New mic, sounds better.
Thank you for the update.
Disregard the clowns as they talk trash. You’re a smart man. Love your videos.
Great video as always!!!
Enjoyed binging your repeater build series this evening. My hunting club has me looking at our options for two way radio communication because cell phone reception isn't always reliable while we are in the woods. We only need to a cover 5 mile radius from the cabin at most for deer camp activities. This repeater set up will be a bit overkill for us, but if we decide we want maximum range this will probably be the direction we go.
Retevis RT97 is probably a better option.
@@TheNotaRubicon thanks for the suggestion. Looking into the RT97 is how I rediscovered your repeater build series. I agree that the RT97 will probably be the better option to start, especially since it will mostly be used for deer camp activities.
I find the lack of UV5R....disturbing. But hot damn do I love Spanish roof tiles! Thanks for the update, was hoping it would all work out.
You are really helpful Thanks
Your one hell of a great honest guy
Glad to hear that your machine is performing well for you--congrats! I would suggest looking for a used commercial UHF duplexer through ham clubs or at a local hamfest, and see if you can get it re-tuned to your split.
That's what I would do. KK7T.
@@stephentaylor280 I was at a hamfest yesterday (first one since Oct. 2019) and saw a 5-can Sinclair go for $275 so there are definitely deals out there to be had.
It would seem the two antenna program would perform better if properly installed because you don’t have the power loss of running through a duplexer. I know this is an old video but it’s very informative and I do like the directional receive and or the possibility of a directional transmit
I'm gonna crawl out on the "make a comment" limb here.....hoping I won't get pinned to the top. The last radios I had was back in the 70's. I'm Brand new to GMRS.....Haven't even received my first GMRS radio yet.....but learning so much from your videos......so I'll have a better grasp of operations when they (yes they) arrive. I think I have watched almost all of them. For anyone new to GMRS......I don't think ANY other CZcams videos even compare to yours. I really tried watching the others.....but no. I've been listening to your Repeater on Zello to learn the lingo. Received my GMRS license and call sign yesterday. I'm in S Georgia......almost no repeaters down here.....so my brain has been spinning about how to fix that. Thanks for all your good info.....and the entertainment.
I am in Middle Georgia. I would like to be a "pillar of society" and build a GMRS repeater. I still haven't decided on building it with a duplexer or a 2 antenna separation. Maybe you can share your build with us along with what works best. For NotaRubicon, love your youtube channel!
Wonderful, congratulations sir. 73
Great update and enjoy your video and haters are going to hate
I've watched all 4 videos in the series pretty closely. I just have one question. Are you concerned about what is behind your house? :) Great video series, like all your videos. Thanks for what you do for us.
You weren’t kidding about that roof 😳
Something to consider is mobile radios are not made for high duty cycle at max power. You could make the setup more robust by running low power on the transmitter and letting an amp do the heavy lifting.
Thanks for sharing your update. This might sound dumb but here it is anyway. What is your range using simplex with your antenna on the chimney? Is the main purpose of the repeater for others to use because you're a cool dude? Thanks for the entertaining videos.
Thank you for listing all the items you used for your repeater build. I am interested in building one myself at some point, but what hardware did you use to link your repeater to zillo? Do you also use a ID-O-Matic with your setup? Thanks again!
Randy-I appreciate you continuing to answer relevant questions even after a year has lapsed!
I read through all the comments because I didn’t want to ask anything you’ve already answered (unlike the sad grounding nazi hams and other stupid people).
I see that you’ve ditched your KG 1000G repeater set-up for a dedicated repeater that’s better suited for 24/7/365. But early on the feedback was as long as the units stay cool, they will work just fine with constant use.
Another commenter suggested keeping everything on low power and using an amp to boost to the antenna.
Just curious why you switched and if an amp would solve the problem?
Lastly, would love to see how you’re testing the installed system and determining loss etc.
BTW-just got the call sign yesterday (WRQY817)-$35 for 10yrs.
Thank you for your videos, they are both informative and entertaining! Would I be able to build a similar repeater using two BTECH GMRS 50X1 radios? If so, which cable would I use to connect the two?
We knew you could do it brother
Thanks for this series! It answered a lot of my questions. I’m not sure if you covered this question, but do you operate under your GMRS license? Are there any special requirements to operate a repeater? You inspired me to get my GMRS license today…thanks! Two years ago I became a HAM, and it wasn’t for any of the other HAMs. I just found the hobby covers a lot of territory, and keeps my brain active! Keep up the good work!
The repeater does not need its own license and there are no special requirements for operation. Decide on a GMRS channel that no other repeaters are using, turn it on, and talk!
I think i heard you briefly mention the way you have the repeater announcing its call sign in a previous video. can you elaborate on that please. how does it work?
Randy… This is NOT about antenna grounding! Would it be possible to share more info (and pics) on how you finally installed the antennas onto your roof? Where and how mounted… considerations for secure mounting/attachment… etc? I am not asking about running coax or grounding. This would be quite valuable to those of us totally clueless, when developing an antenna mounting plan. Thanks for everything!
Thank you much
Thanks for the very informative video. I am currently setting up a KG1000G Plus repeater also. How far apart (distance)do you need between two antennas? Transmitter antenna will be transmitting 360 degrees.
That Yagi was an outstanding idea. I'd love to be able to do that, but it's flat here, and I need omnidirectional.
Thanks for the Great Info , Can this type of repeater set up be accomplished with 2 btech Baofang uv 50x2 ?
I got the same mountain behind and would like more info on your Yagi ! Please I’m not a Sad Ham.
Have you done any range tests with the repeater on its lowest transmit power? Does it make a noticeable difference in range?
Cool!
Thanks for the video I'm hoping to try something like this out at my cabin since there's no cell phone signal out there I'm going to have the similar issue that you have of where to mount the antennas at because the house is in a valley so I have to figure out how to have a mobile setup on top of the hill I don't know if that would have to require a solar panel and a deep cell battery so it could be self-sufficient but I'm not sure how much power I would need to run this setup on a semi regular basis any advice would help thank you
very good info.. i am building me one too.
welcome to Costco. I love you.
Great.
Now the black widows, and snakes will have something to keep them warm in the winter time.
I would like to see a update or test on the BTech U25 amp. I think that is what I’m going with for a GMRS base station for now . For one reason is because there isn’t anyone that dose GMRS in my area . Second reason is because of how good my BTech v1 and Wouxun KG805G did with just hooking to the base antenna . It almost set the transmit range goal that I wanted. So o figure a dedicated HT radio and a amp will give me the transmit range that I want. When I did the test it was from base to vehicle the person in the car said they could here me load and clear. On the recive
Hi Randy, I know you have a Zello channel (I listen), did you do a video on your method you connected it to the radio? Been looking for that and not able to locate it. Thank you sir.
This may be a dumb question, but if you're getting 30 mile range with this setup, do you know any details about the repeater you routinely hit at 70 miles range?? Is it purely a matter of altitude on the antenna 70 miles away? Do you expect the range to decrease when you get the duplexer you wanted? The power at the antenna will go down with the duplexer, right?
Thank you for creating these very informative videos on repeater building and use. It's been 2 years since these videos came out. Now that the Midland MXT 500 is available, does it mean that we no longer need to connect two Wouxun KG-1000G radios together? Thanks for sharing.
As far as I am aware, the MXT500 is not designed to be connected to another and be used as a repeater, like the KG1000G is.. So, probably not.
Hi Randy, do you use your call sign for the repeater or is another required? Also, what are the ID requirements?
Thanks for these videos! I was going to buy one of the pre-made off-the-shelf models for around $1700 until now!
What was your over cost? Also was there a yearly license fee?
Thanks again for ALL the info. I have what will likely be quickly pointed out as a stupid question, but are the radios individually wired to your power supply or is there a single electric wire from the PS that divides at some point to go to each radio? I see that Wouxun has a Power Supply that is advertised as working great with the KG-1000G -- have you had any dealings with it? Thank you for taking time from your presentations to even read this.
each set of wires is going into the power-supply. This is the 30AMP 12V DC Power Supply i'm using.
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di you ever get the Duplexer worked out ? did the same build but not getting expected results in my flat rural environment. +/- 5 mile radius was hoping for more. 30ft antenna
Any insight on ID O Matic integration cable/approach?
I’m wondering about using pure solar power through a small charge controller into a couple of deep cycle batteries to feed the radios directly and cut that 110 AC to DC all together? That way you have true emergency set up?
So when you leave the repeater ON, is it drawing electricity?
In other words, I understand it is using electricity when receiving/transmitting. But when no one is using it, does it draw electricity?
Just curious how much your electric bill went up.
Also…once you added the second antenna, you obviously needed more of that phat expensive wire.
So how much was the total cost, everything included?
Also interested to know if there were any additional fees to have a repeater in your house from the city, the FCC, or whatever.
I've watched the entire series of the KG-1000 repeater build and hope to do my own someday but I did miss and don't know how to find out want freq is not used by someone else. Is it a matter of chosing a freq not used or you can use the same freq you just have to assign a CTSS and Tone in order to make sure only people with those two items can get through. Being new to this is there such a thing as a repeater that's more like an extender where it receives on a specific ch such as 20 simplex freq and transmits on the same ch 20 simplex freq. I'm really new at this so I haven't a clue. I know silly question.
Have you found any documentation on the pinout for the “pc” port. Have been using this setup but currently have to tap into the mic ports to use my repeater controller for id and other features. Problem is that using the lamp pin for COS, it is triggered even when no PL is used. :-/ I’ve been looking everywhere for the “pc” pinout to see if there is a chance to use that port instead.
Thanks WROY605
I heard you're also working on a 700 repeater- is this correct ?
Hi! Would you possibly be able to do an update video on this since the 100G Plus supposedly have more repeater functionality built in?
What I’m trying to say they could here me loud and clear at all ranges. The transmit from the vehicle to base was just like it was from hand held to hand held.
With that said the vehicle was a hand held with just a stock antenna. So at those ranges the rain and being in a vehicle plus the radio in the vehicle was in narrow band . So the transmission would not came in clear. A mobile antenna will fix that
Well i just ordered my second KG-1000G, unfortunately i killed the first one right out the box by hooking it up reverse polarity... 😭 but maybe i can repair it and use it as the reciever side some day.
I found out that there’s a linked repeater system throughout Arkansas and one of them is in my town of Mountain Home Arkansas.
Great series of videos! ..the only question I have is... since gmrs is only allowed to be 50 watts is that all the bigger your repeater is allowed to be as well?
GMRS is limited to 50Watts.. Doesnt matter what you are transmitting on, the limit applies.
You mentioned in an earlier video about a cable for connecting the id-o-matic to these radios. Do you have more information on acquiring that cable? Forgive me if I missed any update about it in the videos.
I dont think it has made it into production yet. Not sure why but they'll probably blame COVID.
I love your channel. I’m very new at this and just learning. I really like this repeater setup that you have. I want to set mine up the exact same way. Is there a way to get it to auto identify?
Not easily. Unless you already have two KG1000G radios laying around you might consider buying a purpose built repeater.You'll get better performance and no big ugly mess of cases and wires all over the place, and most commercial repeaters auto-identify. You can find used UHF repeaters for just a few hundred $.
Good work, just be sure that you don't have insects nesting inside your radios.
Ok, now I know why you were afraid of going up on the roof. Lol
Hi my question is when one of your videos I spark small piece that you had ordered to it's true ID your repeater every half you have hour and I've been looking for the related link for link below where you usually put everything and I can't find it can you let me know what that link is thank you.
What is the purpose of an antenna having to be no more than 20' above the ground?
Question: When using the two radios as a repeater, are you still able to use one of them as a transmitting base station?
Jim Jones
Boston, MA
Yes, but you have to change the settings to take it out of 'repeater mode' first.
If you wanted more distance, would it be possible to add a amp to the output radio? Thanks for the video!
For more distance a better antenna or moving the antenna to a higher spot usually helps more than just power.
Hi. Thank you for your video! I'd like to ask you two questions. I know nothing about portable radios, that is why I have two UV-5Rs. One of them always drains all the battery after a few minutes transmitting and the other lasts more than 10 times that. I use them only for family communication but I'd like to learn more. Could you please tell me where I could find a good ham radio online course? The second question is which portable ham radio would be reliable, be a good purchase for a beginner that would not waste money, and work for family and emergency communications? I'm writing from Brazil, where every dollar needs five times more work to get earned then in the US. PS: I'would also like to buy a good base station for my car.
Does it still kill your WiFi or did relocating the antenna fix it?
Moving the antenna resolved that.. No more screaming kid!
So I built the same setup using the same equipment. 2 KG1000G’s, XLT duplexer, Tram 1486-b antenna. I have the radios separated by about 16 feet that’s as long as the data cable is that connects the radios together. Still have desense issues. I also installed a low noise amp between the duplexer and the RX radio. What else can be done to stop the desense issue?
I see that "oh shit" start of a holesaw drill 😜
There is ONE friggen power line in that entire damn wall.. and guess where it was?!
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@@TheNotaRubicon OOPS!!!
Why did you have to quit with the duplexer?
No link to Brondo, the Thirst Mutilator?
No need for a link. It flows from the taps! Lol
I have no radio experience Does the radio automatically know to use two freqs when using a repeater? Are those ‘repeater’ channels then using two freqs w/no user input?
Great videos on your repeater build. Thank you. I didn't catch whether or not you needed to register a separate license for the repeater, did you? If not, you auto-ID using your own GMRS call-sign?
I was wondering the same thing
No you don't need any extra registration or anything..
You might want to transmit your call sign every once in awhile...
Randy was talking about getting a device that would do that automatically...
I hope you turned the roger beep on on those bad boys.
Where's the echo controller??
Hey Randy!!
Great stuff! At least getting information on amateur radio is ACTUALLY informative now!! Not like taking a sleeping, or a "I'm stupid" pill.
Q: Do any of the Midland GMRS micro mobiles have the capability of linking two together as a base repeater like you did with the Wouxan (wocean) 1000's? Any other GMRS OEM mobile offer this?
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None are designed to be linked together. It might still be technically possible, but you would have to DIY it.
New to the GMRS world, just received my GMRS license 2 days ago. Forgive my ignorance, if there is another repeater set up where the signal gets weak that is set with same frequency and CTCSS or DCS, will that further your communication range? Could it be linked together?
Hey Randy, i fimally got my tram all tuned up and bottom of antenna is 20'. With mtns all around me in city of Tehachapi ca, i am hitting the crestline repeater 100 miles away and talking to rancho, hesperia, ontario and victorville. Yours should do be able to do the same distance further south- southwest.
That Crestline repeater is at about 6,500FT elevation.. I'm about 4,500FT below that so i will never get that kind of reach. Because of all the mountains within 20-35 miles to the south-southwest of me, I will always have a limited range.
@@TheNotaRubiconi understand, darn mts. i am at 4,000 in a valley. I can talk on a Repeater 100 miles away but cant talk to my daughter 10 miles away because of a little hill. That doesn't make since. But every elevation below you your tram can see, should be reachable.
Hi, quick question, when you removed the duplexer and went double antennas, were you able to increase your transmission range from getting the additional power back that the duplexer was robbing?
Thanks, I'm looking to build my own and would gladly use 2 antennas if the power gain led to a dramatic increase in range.
Cheers!
That was the plan, but the antennas interfered with each other and the de-sense negated the extra power.
@@TheNotaRubicon thanks much! I'll do some research to find the optimal distance apart
Has anyone ever suggested a complete repeater system with more power than the Retevis 10W? I've been looking and haven't found anything but very expensive Ham repeaters, that probably wouldn't work on GMRS frequency anyway.
Curious, after two years, how is the homemade repeater doing?
Awesome. Did you take yours down? Thanks for reply and videos! :)
I upgraded -> czcams.com/video/0pRKQFuJJ9o/video.html
Hi, I have a question it might be a dumb question but it's a question. I bought two Wouxun KG-1000G Plus radios and two 30 watt power supply to run both Wouxun KG-1000G Plus radio for a repeater. I see in your video that you're only using one 30 watt power supply to run both of your Wouxun KG-1000G radio. Do I need to run both of my 30 watt power supply to run both of my radios?
Great videos! Would this be the same setup (basically) for a home base station, minus the 2nd radio and the duplexer parts?
Yes!
@@TheNotaRubicon yet another positive about that setup, that it can be done in phases and/or added onto! Thanks!
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