Advanced Comms For The CIVILIAN | Not A BAOFENG
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BEARTOOTH Use Code - OUTLAW
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Chapters:
Intro 00:00
Beartooth Overview 01:06
Being Traced 03:15
Comparing Radios 05:30
EW Protection 07:20
How To Talk 10:45
ATAK Integration 11:40
From Military to Civs 12:45
Range Capabilities 14:00
Available Kits 16:15
PTT Integration 16:50
Critical Features 18:06
Starlink 21:35
Interception Security 23:40
Scalability 24:10
You Don't Need a License 26:10
Network Scan 29:00
Outlaw Code 30:20
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Would you please stop changing the magnification of the video image constantly- it doesn’t help at all !
Literally, just found this guy and that was my first thought!
I will wholeheartedly second that motion!
He's using tracking he probably is using a dslr or an Elgato Webcam and he needs to change the settings. The way he has it set is for video conferences it's keying in on the voice and zooming on the face he needs to figure out his tech.
You're the first comment i saw. I thought it wasn't going to be that bad, I looked up and wow. They went overboard with it. Not gonna stick here for it.
Instead of jump zooming, What we need are Star Wipes....
In comparison:
We have a Meshtastic mesh covering 100 sqmi (10x10) using 4 “solar repeater” nodes ($100 each) and 6+ mobile nodes ($50ea).
Total cost: $500
Utilizing ATAK text & position only (no voice or video).
working on same
Hey, I'm new to meshtastic which “solar repeater” nodes are you using? What is a Mobile Node?
@@zackcovellmobile node is just a dedicated node for your phone. If I’m correct it’s a setup like the lilygo t-echo. Also there are standalone units that can message right from the node with a keyboard. The latter is what makes more sense.
yup. if they get the price compatible with solution oriented applications, then we can keep the control of this space within the hands of the people
i love my meshtastic, but essentially it is a cessna (900MHz radio). it's common (900MHz is crowded with devices), it's not unusual to see one in a crowded space (city or suburban area), but if you are the only cessna around, you're easy to identify (4x 900MHz signals in the woods with no other RF).
SSFH (spread spectrum frequency hopping) is like a stealth fighter. it may pop up once in a while but it's gone before you can track it. (unless you know or predict the hopping algorithm). the big boy devices are using large amounts of frequency over many bands, and not limited to a particular band.
"Beartooth operates in the ISM915 band (902-928 MHz)." which means it uses the same slice of frequency as the NA meshtastic devices, but does not remain locked on one frequency ("channel") like meshtastic does. it hops around frequencies every 20ms (1/50th of a sec). so, it is like a very stealthy cessna.
in a noisy RF area, like a city, 900MHz has a lot of traffic, so hopping around that band is unlikely to draw any notice. in a quiet RF environment, it is easier to notice because it is the only RF. because it is short duration and moves to another freq, you have a lot of protection from DF (direction finding), some protection from jamming, in that you are using the whole 26MHz of frequency (energy required to jam a frequency goes up based on the amount of bandwidth you want to cover). finally, the AES256 provides a lot of protection from decryption if the signal is captured and assembled into one stream (there is debate if AES256 is easily or only difficultly decrypted by nation states).
frequency hopping is the next step up from regular radio comms, but it still has an RF footprint.
The only thing is the average person here in America are not going to be able to afford close to $3,000 for this, there's a good reason why most people have the baofeng radio.
And they are on sale with my code foe half that
And again your baofeng is proven to get you found.
The Feng is junk for many reasons. Being found is low on that list. Get a good radio. You can pick up a license free 900mhz digital radio with some encryption for under $70.. it's not gonna stretch for miles, but neither are you. Retevis RT10.. above that, grab a Motorola xpr6550-6580, or anything you can find and afford, program it, train with it, and be ready to fight. You'll be fine. I have 2 paper cups and a piece of string and I'm not worried a bit about it.
@@TheLastAmericanOutlaw were using hydra SDR and TDOA to map TETRA units and their movement during event201 "lockds".
The beartooth can be located the same way if it transmits over . 0.5s - its only frequency hopping, not Band hopping like a RPI+hackRF with proper Software.
@TheLastAmericanOutlaw no it doesn't fake news...use low power 70cm short range use repeaters, simplex, duplex and split operation. Hell HF NVIS for that matter......this will be obsolete just like your ammo company....
@@texasfrontiersman8245 you super preppers are funny. You pick your favorite CZcamsr and decide that they 100% know exactly what they are talking about because they are well spoken.
Now let’s look at a fact or 2. The U.S. military, they use mesh networks. The U.S. military that you dress up and pretend to be, which one are you? Seal team 6 I bet, well the real ones, yes they have been using these for 5 years, still do today. You know who uses your low frequency reporters, ya the low tech bad guys, so we can find them, hear them, and destroy them.
But homie your seal team 6 !!!! You got this and will smoke everyone !!!
And I have never had an ammo company, you need a roll model. It’s time to grow up.
I like how he undersells what the MPU5 is lol
Looks like we going back to wild life calls, boys. Skweeee!
I'm training pigeons as we speak
There was a saying in the Army for open comms - “break squelch and die.” As soon as you key the mic, they triangulate your position and artillery will follow. Also, try to look unimportant on the battlefield.
Awesome. When I saw the mpu5 videos come out I think most people understood the cost was just too prohibitive. It’s really nice to see innovation here making these systems significantly more accessible to civilians. This is accessible for groups / teams / individuals with some savings and/or fundraising. Well done.
Saw them price though, I think I will go the meshtastic and atak plug-in route until I can afford these guys.
They dropped the price like crazy with code outlaw.
Gotenna sucks, and they took their business away from the civilian consumer anyway. This is an extremely expensive system though. There's other ways to get similar results, but nothing currently available to the public is on the level of this system. The real issue with it in a civilian context what exactly would someone use it for? Nothing mentioned in the video applies, and no yuppie who would pony up for this would ever make a move to put it to actual use against the only adversary worth using it against...our own government. Doesn't matter how shiny your toys are when what's lacking is sack; not technology. A civilian can get a Motorola DMR radio with 256 encryption for $120 on eBay, download atak for free, and buy a $50 meshtastic device and have more capability than they need against any civilian or foreign government opposition. Even then, it's the side with the willpower and determination that's going to win; not necessarily the more technologically advanced, as we've seen all throughout history. Stuff is cool but we've seen enough dudes with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of training wearing tens of thousands of dollars worth of gear and riding around in millions of dollars worth of vehicles get completely demoralized and defeated by some dudes with a $50 rifle and bare feet.
Meant to say Meshtastic devices, not gotenna. When the price of something like this goes down to under $1K out the door and they can make it work with iPhone iTAK which supports Bluetooth devices and can use it to broadcast those TOT udp packets I’m in.
@@michaelnyden8056 Doesn't the government have a contract with ATAK? Not for nothing but do we really think that they wont be able to to get any atak profile from the company out them for fear of risking loss of contract or just because the government tells them too?
Beartooth is fully compatible with iTAK (no plugin needed!)
@3:50 I remember on a field-op, we had an Airforce officer come in and show us a Fieldfox device that could pickup all the frequencies in our site and show us general location of ours and a jump sites 142/148s, pretty cool at the time.
Man this guy is selling these over priced LoRa devices HARD. You know ATAK software is maintained by the US Airforce right? Which means there is a 100% probability ALL of your encrypted messages are being read before they are ever sent.
Jesus. Remember when there were only 10,000 followers? Awesome buddy. 🤙
Thanks
This looks interesting... im gonna be doing some reading up on this... thanks man!
Crazy this video got made. I was just looking at buying them
with that discount I had to buy! got a pair for me and my brother. Thanks guys
The entire time they were saying that this system cannot be monitored I kept thinking something. I was talking to the screen 'Ok, blink twice if the CIA/FBI threatened to kill your children if you admit the encryption is compromised"
Great vid.... keep it up brother... great info/product
thank you!
Don't think about baofengs as a comms device. Think about baofengs as decoys and misdirection. Think about setting up a baofeng at one location, and setting up a way to key the baofeng from a distance/remotely. For ... Reasons. :D That said, I love this. Payment options would be nice though lol!
Use field phones to key up a transceiver remotely. It is easy.
Hop all you want, your adversary can just monitor a broad spectrum of freqs and see if there are transmissions where there shouldn’t be transmissions
I have tested mesh. Here in Maine in the dense foliage it hasn’t been reliable. We would need many nodes to to connect. We are experimenting with nodes on drones though.
You are right 👍
Great interview! Very informative…
Thank you!
The starlink integration is cool
Thanks it’s awesome
Sounds great! Big problem that you need several people with this setup for it to make sense. You can't just buy one as an individual and have it work for you. With the cost, that's gonna be really hard. I can see it for individual family use. But equipping all your friends is going to be an issue. Also sounds like it'll take a long time to learn how to use it too.
This is on the list. Thanks for sharing.
Call me
@@TheLastAmericanOutlawhow $ are they thank’s 7:11
750
I wish instead of using atak plugins, they’d make devices that simply created a WiFi network or Bluetooth as the default gateway that the atak phone broadcasts the UDP COT packets out of. So no plug-in needs to be installed for those users that want to jump on to your atak usage and use this device without having them go install a plug-in first. So they act as a simple bridge or router into the same network.
I imagine that it's a security issue.
Ok starlink… now you just got my attention 😮 as a jeeper in a group we like this idea
I'm definitely going to do some more research on this one.👍🏼
$40 lillygo T-beam supreme and free Atak download, a Motorola xts-2500 with aes256 encryption, you’re dialed.
Good stuff, I just purchased a set and can't wait to start using them.
Trying to find out about a package price.. did you have to pay 750 for one device?
@davidthornburg7810 When I ordered my set (2 radios), it was around $1250, not including sales tax. Not cheap radios, but I feel they are worth the investment.
I have a video coming out on exactly how to use them as well.
Rambo didn't need these gizmos , neither do I. 😆 Great video
Awesome. Just awesome! Tomorrow I'll buy a lotto ticket. That's the only way I'll afford them.😢 Best wishes and God Bless all you Patriots out there.
They have Shop Pay that will allow you to make payments for a year at $145.80 a month. I 'm working Joe, but single. Work harder, spend less, etc., but get this and be protected and informed by anyone that has one in your network. I don't know anything about this tech, but i will! I will probably get the smallest Andriod tablet i can use with this and avoid any cell phone usage.
meshtastic devices are for the common man. $50 bucks a piece.
@@teflone121 I've checked them out and you can do a lot with little money and set up nodes with solar backup almost anywhere to increase your network area. I like the options the Beartooth gives with ptt and the ability to send pictures.
Get the book prayer of petition. by Jerry Savelle instead of a lotto ticket. Teach a man to fish.
FHSS difficult to DF? I will have to order one just to disprove that (and about 3 more) of the claims made in this video on my Channel... Or can I get a review sample? 🙂
Just south of Lubbock been following for a long time and didnt realize this. I have a group of solid guys in lubbock
Just going to suggest looking up the standing known weaknesses for TAK in the CVE database.
I love that this is an option for the American Citizenry
But by how things are going it, it may not be an option for long before the ATF ban it.
@@ALSPEHEIR FCC. Federal bans won't mean a thing after the SHTF.
@@ALSPEHEIRha ha ha! ATF has nothing to do with it... what a goob
The government has a back door in. This company is a government contractor...
❤ thank you
I looked into this product about a year ago and read their research paper. If I recall, it is using a lora chip, 1276 with custom software link layer control. So $3,000 for a $5 chip and some underwhelming software/performance. Someone with more knowledge than me, tell me where I am wrong because this is not my area of expertise.
The thing to do, is just transmit basic data/text. Someone work on integrating voice to text, text to voice. These days you can even train most phones to mimmick your voice. No need to actually transmit audio, just TTS/STT
Well, it's made in America, so you are supporting American manufacturing. We really need more electronic manufacturing capabilities.
@@jacobzindel987Do they say what parts? I'm 90% confident that it's at best "assembled in America" -- we don't have a super strong silicone capability
@@a9s2w5that doesn't address that the Lora system is a tenth of the price
@aquilafasciata5781 currently constructing the largest silicon chip production line in the world. In Arizona. ETA to production- quick enough if uncle will stay out of the way.
Sounds cool.
As long as you have to use your cellphone, you can and will be tracked AND listened to.
Even with the discount code the price is extremely high for most civillians. I get that VOIP is a thing as compared to Meshtastic but the price difference is dramatic!
Once the Meshtastic devs finish building out VOIP via 2.4ghz Beartooth wont be able to compete in the civillian market.
I wish Beartooth 1.0's were still available. I actually have a pair of the original Beartooths but they are no longer supported.
Ok its badass i need to save up
Very low power, directional antennas and terrain masking, horizontally polarized antennas, brevity codes with FLdigi for burst transmission and other techniques are all you need to avoid being DF'd. You do not need what is being sold here. Get the book, The Guerillas Guild to the Boafeng Radio.
Very cool. This does what a lot of people have wanted for a fraction of the price of other options, however, at $2500 its still out of reach for the majority of people. I know a lot of guys have issues spending $300+ on a radio. Yeah, with the code the price is actually outstanding, but I can see it being a hard sell to everyone in a group. We all have different financial situations and, like it or not, not every one in the group values high priced comms as other people in the group. Lets put it this way, I'd have to build devices for other people cause they think their cheap radio is good enough and they don't want to spend the $60 for the parts and case. If you can make this work with Meshtastic stuff, then thats really cool as not every one will need to drop that kind of coin. Those of us in the group who can afford it will buy them. If every one is forced to use one, then I see this as an option thats almost there, but not quite. I'd buy one at the end of the month if I knew it were flexible enough to communicate with the meshtastic stuff or could be made to fit my situation.
I was looking at the Harris Unity radio, going the business band route, along with a goTenna Pro x to get encryption, ATAK communication, and voice,
but with this, I can turn my ATAK phone into an encrypted radio, and the Gateway can add Starlink? I could have my chest-mounted Galaxy, the Beartooth, my Isotune Caliber ear pods, a BT PTT mic, and send the gateway up on a drone and be set? Could the Gateway's link to Starlink be used to send drone footage to your phone?
I wish I could afford one or own one....thanks fornthe vidio..it is important if you need one. You realy need one. As a civilian like me with no group thay I train with I jst think of me and my wife and little family..were all trying tonbe prepared..it does seem like things keep heating up more each year ,week,and day ❤🙏👍
You are the group...you are the fighting force. It's the goofballs with no balls running this equipment who don't have a group... outside of their fake fairweather "team"... You're gonna be fine. I got you.
A baofeng, $30 mp3 player, and a $5 cable can be used to waste the enemy artillery if they are shooting at every random signal they see.
So you are that guy huh
Where do we buy the Operator kit from? I see a startup kit on their website but not the full kit mentioned in the video. Thanks in advance
same
well this is off to a great start with a massive lie, you can in fact pickup any signal with a good scanner with recorder whether you can understand it or decode it or do anything with it is a different issue. how sad to just blatantly lie like that. Frequency hopping is not gonna stop some one from recording what's going over the air in a place where they can get that signal. again lying instead of say a scanner isn't an issue due to these other things shows this company doesn't understand how this works or doesn't care to properly explain it to their customers. it also sounds like since they have a civillian version it will most likely have a backdoor for the government as any contractor that makes mil and civ versions is contractually required to do so these days.
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Frequency hopping makes both jamming impossible and intercepting the communication unless you have the frequency hop set. You're not going to fool this old army signal corp Chief Warrant Officer
@@samadams6487 Not to mention AES encrypted digital comms.... It ain't a beufang lol..
To be legal to operate, it has to be within a certain band or a few. You certainly CAN jam something like this. It just takes more power to black out an entire band. I would guess civilian version is probably ISM band 902-928Mhz.
Thank you. This is exactly what I was thinking. EVERYTHING has backdoors.
I wanna see a video of this integrated with my peltors and disco32 ptt.
As something of a prepper, I've always struggled with the comms side of things. This video is indescribably valuable. God Bless.
Any radio you key up can be detected. Encrypted or not.
I think you missed that it’s spread spectrum frequency hopping. Can it be detected? Yes but good luck locking on to it.
@@evanmarchese3237 derp
It’s 2024 - and we are still figuring out communication 🙄
no wonder aliens don’t visit us 🛸👽
Now i want to make friends just to use this system
Good stuff. This is similar technology to my military days , circa 1994, but much smaller and available to the public.
$750 for a mesh encrypted phone is a good price, y'all. I'm not sure why people are complaining.
I almost posted that I'm a cyber security expert and would look into building a competitive tech, but $750 per handset is a sweet spot cost and feature wise.
What price do you y'all think this should be?
Baofeng is complete trash. It's sending messages on a post card with your address. It's not secure nor safe even if SHTF.
this is 100% true!
I have a question, I’m halfway through the video but I think there should be a way to remote kill devices on the network and a reinstall for a different device in case the device gets captured or compromised in some way.
There are ways to accomplish this, change network ID, roll crypto, etc
Some information on how to get tactical headsets connected would have been beneficial
If you can't connect a headset then you're not on this level...no offense. I'm not a proponent of it and I see it for the consumer driven, unnecessary crap it boils down to, but even I must call it honest and say that this is the hottest thing available to the citizen consumer; not something for beginners who need instructions on headsets. I'm sure you can buy it and email them for that kind of information though....
@@vitogriffin8902 Some offence taken🤣🤣, you can clearly seen when he was asked about peltor he deflected to talking about simple push to talk ear pieces which would connect to your phone. I think I can handle googling U94 Bluetooth PTT. "with a little customized work" which means a mess of cable and wires of splicing of something not a simple plug-in-play.
This product is being touted as being able to handle voice comms over a mesh network, which other products like gotenna cannot at this time. For an item that's being sold for almost 1k a unit some general information would be appreciated.
We use the MP5 with ATAK for search and rescue.
You can have Beartooth work with the mpu5 as well.
Is the frequency hopping between bands. Like vhf/uhf? What all frequencies does this device use? I am sure they are within the ISM Bands.
“902 - 928 MHz ISM band with Frequency Hopping”
It’s staying within LoRa frequencies. Jamming a frequency range all within the same band is easily jammed.
I could build that shit and messing thing in the LoRa”us” band easily.
I just thought for that price, the tech would be better. Like hop to other bands within the ISM band.
I have to say, being made in America is supercool, where are your chipsets coming from? Hopefully America.
Anyways, it’s a great video, I subbed and liked the video . I just think the product needs improvement.
Kraken sdr to direction find goes for around 600
Wow thats a full meal deal awesome gear , im a Ham and radio guy for the last 40 years basically sense a child , Amazing that you offer real transceivers Good for you , sadly i am no where wealthy enough to buy a setup for 4 or 6 those are well worth the money absolutely great gear drools . I spread the link to your video to all prep groups i talk to .. God bless all be ready folks its coming
Im ready to go nack to bitd calls and smoke signals at this point
If you have an ATAK device and a Beartooth, and also a connection to a TAK server, will information from the TAK server be bridged to other Beartooth users?
Yes, via our Gateway product!
I'm not dropping $1,000 on something in a 3D printed case.
key = in this case, is a digital file full of a long string of characters that must match and exist in all places en/de-cryption is needed (each radio)
If I had the kind of money to buy this I wouldn't be buying baofengs
Just ordered a set of these and pretty excited to test them out. If everything works as advertised, I'll order a few more sets for my group.
How does your smart phone communicate too the Beartooth? Unsecured Bluetooth? Sounds like there's still allot of vulnerabilities and unnecessary complications, phone battery and Beartooth battery, distinct between those devices then Beartooth device
I don't know much to be clear, what I worry with about all this is having to use ATAK. That app is used by everyone and the governments of at least NATO us it. The government wouldn't even let them release the normal version. They had to make a civilian version. How do we know that version is not compromised? When you put it on your phone it won't let you set it up without giving it access to GPS and other access. It's pointless to have all this encrypted equipment if the app that it runs through is compromised. But all the videos I watch no one seems worried about ATAK so maybe its good?
Just like GPS, ATAK, Starlink*, and any other military technology that has been released for public use,, like these radios that have a military counterpart, you KNOW the government has a back door into them. Sure, you go play paintball warrier all you want, but try to stage some sort of attack or planning against an agency, and see how long your comms plan lasts. Chances are if your groups has the size and capabilities to really do something, the government has already infiltrated the group anyway.
* Yes, I know Startlink is 'independent', but I don't believe for a minute that DOD/GOV'T allowed them to launch all that capability without the ability to selectively shut down, monitor and target regions, down to the individual unit. DOD itself has contracts with Starlink...you really think they can't shut it down?
I would be. In order to subvert it, you would need the ability to disable GPS functions of the device. Which can be done. There are devices that you can buy scrubbed or purpose built to shut off certain functions. They are expensive though.
If the SIM card is pulled on the phone, there’s no means for them to get into it. GPS only receives data it doesn’t send any.
ATAK is open source. You've got much more to worry about from the phone if you're using a stock OS.
As someone who is VERY active in the tactical civilian space in both a learning and instructional capacity, I'm (highly) skeptical.
1. If you're running up against a state level actor with advanced EW capabilities, the antenna on your cell phone will give away your position just as quickly as a radio key-up--yes, even without a SIM card. The fact that this product STILL has to be used *in conjunction with* a cell phone (or tablet, but many of those have cellular antennas in them as well, and still emit energy on other radios, e.g. bluetooth, wifi, etc.) makes it no better than the $30 Meshtastic units in terms of operational security. The frequency hopping is irrelevant if there's still a cell radio jizzing your location everywhere.
2. Ok. so you get voice capabilities as opposed to the $30 Meshtastic units. Is that really worth $1200 per unit? Why not just get a $100 DMR at that point, with the Meshtastic units as a second layer of comms?
3. The price. Comon guys. It's 2024. We can do better.
4. Suggestions: figure out a way to integrate these devices with a small, ruggedized tablet running Android that DOESN'T have a cellular radio (all in one), get the price under $1k, and you might have some buyers.
What are they doing that prevents them from needing a license to use encrypted comms? LoRa does it by utilizing very low power. but it also doesn't do voice.
Nice radio and price
will it work with the UP Phone?
Hhmmm, very informative 👌
This is still pricey for what it is, and that prices people out which stunts network growth. You can build a mesh network for a fraction of this price, and setup the way it runs like a beartooth with some programming know how, and have a comms network setup for your group and family. Granted the beartooth is more plug and play, but I don’t think that warrants that kind of markup.
What good is a network that doesn’t have anyone on it
Ok so price aside what are the limitations of this radio system. We have a 5 family member homestead (5 separate families 21 people) and take protecting our food & water seriously if the time comes. We live in a fairly suburban area but we have the means to be self sufficient on 35 acres of pasture and forest. Most of the criticism I see is on price and that’s not a concern I have. I need to know real world application and comparable alternatives.
Yeah..... im gonna need micheal or another rep to specifically say they aren't gonna have backdoor for the government...
They don’t call him you can change it once you get it and change it 5 times a day to a new address impossible to hack
I'd like to see some way of using this over the internet for decentralized family comms.
High end equipment that must of us cannot afford !
Hi young fellows, this looks excellent. The only concerns are how does itup dates the firmware does it come through the radio then does that update the app on the phone I live in canada if they want an app shut down, they just do it eg... truckers convoy there were a lot of apps shut down no app's no radio
Trying to find the full kit on their website but only seeing one option. V/R 2P3
Weak link is still the cell phone. Supposedly, even without a sim card, phones can be triangulated. Would I trust it even in airplane mode or someone doesn't turn it on? Maybe a tablet without cell network capability? You just need Bluetooth right?
Bluetooth is also possible to locate, sdr hardware could do this
At what range would it be detectable? Bluetooth is pretty weak and short range. Is Bluetooth encrypted?
TD-H8 ham gets out 7-8 miles (w)
Nagoya NA-24J just like you said shoot move communicate. Save your money get food and water
I wish they supported their original beartooth devices. We have 4 and they're basically bricked for androids.
If I wasn’t so poor I’d buy this !!! Especially with code outlaw it gives you 50% off 🤯🤯🤯🤯
So it's basically a DRM radio.
I worked as a computer and network engineer for nearly a decade but I have a huge gap in my knowledge with this kind of stuff. With the way society is headed, I should probably fix that.
but what about the manufacturer/provider mesh network recently established under the guise of "find my phone" feature.
the menu options allow this to shut down currently in the device, but it would be foolish to think it's really disabled. this new feature makes a no sim card device useless as it will communicate on the android/ apple find my device mesh network anyway.
this is exactly why this feature has been built into the OS's.
$300 Anytone DMR radio w/256-bit AES encryption keys and any number of cheap Meshtastic devices that can be used with ATAK can achieve the same result as the Beartooth, just at a lower cost and a bit more fragility (the meshtastic node cases, not the DMR radio).
$2,500 for *two* Beartooth radios just doesn't make financial sense in the current economy. Maybe if it were $500 a radio I could see it, and while I understand the need for the company to recoup their development and design costs I'll never see myself buying their stuff at that pricing.
And for those saying "break squelch and die", have you ever scanned the business band freqs in an urban environment? How is anyone going to tell the difference between an actual business and a stealth group using those same freqs for short bursts?
And the ISM band itself that meshtastic rides on is just lousy with signal traffic in urban areas.
check out outlaws offer code. it gets you almost to the price you want to pay!
Applied the code. Made total price $1,500.00...
Phones give of a load of IR though. Is it possible to connect some other device to the phone to mitigate this and put the phone deep inside a bag? And connect the phone to the device by wire, so I'm not blasting bluetooth like a lighthouse.
I'm thinking $1500 for a gtg comms system doesn't sound bad, especially for people who don't want or can't figure out how to set something like this up using meshtastic. I'm assuming they'll provide good support to these people as well. I'll continue to work with my meshtastic and ataks system, but I like this system and may get one to compare. 👍
Wonderful idea however it is priced for government sales not even within range of the local militia. People will buy thermal and night vision way before they buy this stuff we will have to make do with a Walmart FRS radio
It would be great if there was a way to harden our fengs. Since we ALL have already bought them and are now close to broke after buying all of our other gear
I tried the PROMO code and it came to $1K off. That is a really good deal! Unfortunately, I just don't have $1500 to spend at the moment. Product looks great! I hope to pick one up in the not so distant future. Side note... The comment/rant on Ham Radio operators really wasn't needed, or really even completely accurate. I recommend Meshtastic if you want a taste of this capability. It is text only, but gives you a good idea of what communication can be done with low power Mesh networks.
iTAK on iPhone doesn’t support plugins but I believe it supports Bluetooth devices such that if a device could do UDP COT broadcasts it could work the same way.
Beartooth works with iTAK as well
How?
So what is the difference between the "civilian" and military version?
Probably weakened encryption (and possibly backdoored)
It would also probably be on a different RF band. This probably does ISM 902-928MHz band.
Michael knows his comms, former commo rat? Freq hopping is not easy tech.
So if the government already has this, what keeps them from tapping into my comms?
Can one Beartooth be used in multiple networks each with their one key code?
Yes it will work with all the big ones.
Where's the kits with the phone that he spoke about? Definitely not on the website.