The Woman Who Wants to End Bosnia's Nationalist Politics
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- čas přidán 22. 04. 2021
- It's been more than 25 years since the Dayton Peace Agreement was signed to end the Bosnian war. The agreement divided power along the country's three main ethnic groups: Croats, Bosniaks and Serbs. Now, the agreement that once brought peace, has been used to further entrench divides.
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The brain drain will cost the country dearly...
Who is the brain dead?
Name me one country in the Balkans that doesn't have a brain drain. Balkans will not change no matter what changes new governments in each country bring in the area.
Čović is the most anti democracy in Bosnia and Hercegovina. He really wants apartheid in the country so he can keep the power.
He is talking about a Muslim country is a big lie that he is using as a talking point in to make the ethic line's even bigger.
Remember that Čović doesn't even respect the international tribunal in Hagu.
European union is supporting him in this apartheid approach to change the election laws in Bosnia and Hercegovina.
He has such hate for democracy and letting people vote for who they want that he would do anything in my opinion even war just keep the power.
@@atko1984 Something like Singapore would work great in my opinion but but hatred is more valuable to some people than their future
@@atko1984 get rid of islam in Bosnia.
Small country with many big problems.
3:09 *
Not true, because the second Congo war killed more people, at around 2.7 to 5.4 MILLION, compared to Bosnia's 100.000. The fact that you don't know about it reflects the lack of knowledge from Africa. However the Bosnian war is still Europe's deadliest war since WW2.
True. They usually say deadliest in Europe after ww2. Probably made a mistake
But still, it was BRUTAL
Probably read script wrong, Vietnam had way more deaths too.
It is cuz Bosnian population at the time was 4.1M while Congo had 3x times more people
That war happened later.
As a Bosnian-Croat, Age;15. Still Living here, i gotta say... Good luck.
My family is from Herzegovina, but they moved away, my grandfather and grandmother live there and they are the only ones left out of more than twenty that lived there, I have family in France, Germany, Slovakia, Canada, Serbia and even Australia as a result of the conflicts. I want to go back to live there when I grow up, but to be honest there is nothing but poverty there sadly so it's probably going to be hard :(
@@introsense4495 Similar scenario but I'm from Kashmir... Although we mostly have family only in Canada and USA.. and some are in Malaysia too.
@@introsense4495 I'm too Poor to move out anyways.
Stupid question, but why dont you move to croatia? I think in Zagreb, Zagorje or Istria you can live a solid live. I guess its better than in bosnia
@@leole7131 Croatia is Expensive. Plus, i'm too Young to get a Job.
Much love to Bosnia-Herzegovina. The healing process is long and hard but I believe in the people.
But will they ever change their system?
Do you even know the people you are beliveing
The people you are believing are all saying that politicians in power are destroying the country yet they still keep voting and keeping them in power. Best exemple is my mom who has said multiple times that the government sucks has joined SDA
@@indm4281 this is the ethnic divide, this would also have happened if Yugoslavia never split, everyone would vote for their respective ethnic parties. Its just natural
So do serbs belive in Republika Srpska and don't belive genocides they made, ever happened. No peace there because serbs aren't stopping their ethnic agenda
Man, that city has changed a lot since I was there in early 97.
Jesus, what that must have been like
lets play talk to each other like its 1995
@@peeepoo5920 Mladic.
@@peeepoo5920 milosevic
@@peeepoo5920 You hear that new Mobb Deep? Shit's fire yo
Bosnian living in England here and she’s completely right in all of this, I love Bosna but there’s so much that needs to be sorted out
Can I ask why you chose to go to England? Most Bosnians chose places like Germany
@Gladius Clipeus everyone is bosnian by nationality but Bosniak, Croat or Serb by ethnicity
@Gladius Clipeus or Herzegovinian in Herzegovina :)
@Gladius Clipeus nice Bosnian and Herzegovinian is the same thing
@@sadboi3204 my dad needed surgery that was only available here during the war x
I left in 1998 as a 13 year old, best decision I ever made.
traitor
@@PHlophe That is a ridculous statement
@@boogakahooga7472 he’s just mad he is still there.
@@PHlophe stay mad
Not your decision, your parents' decision.
In all the Ex yugo countries every peoples goal is to move out of the country, the economy has fallen since the countries seperated and for the last years the economy is worse and worse. This is very sad because the Ex yugo countries is one of the best coutnries in the Europe, but the economy have made it difficult to live there thats why many find work in other western countries in Europe.
yes. We used to live side by side like brothers and the divide is not in people's best interest. Imagine if all the countries united again. That would be something...
Nah Slovenia is relatively ok. Certainly better than under Yugoslavia. Bosnia was devastated by war and has ethnic tensions that's why there are problems there.
krin Slovenia is the only country who is doing good, but They did do better when it whas Yugoslavia.
*are one of the Best
Cake is yummy Thanks for your smart advice
This is a good example what extreme Nationalism does.. Same will hapen in India and Ethiopia if they continue the same path.
It Also will happen in Poland and Hungary. It almost happened in the USA, my country when trump was in office but then we voted him out due to his mishandling of the pandemic. It happened a long time ago in Italy from 1922-1945, Spain from 1939-1975, Japan 1890-something - 1945, Germany 1933-1945
no this is pure example what happens when you force people that dont want to live together to live together.
@@saellenx3528 It was not forced for the mjority..
@@emgex if you do referendum of secession there today, wast majority of Serbs and Croats would vote for secession. Those are just facts...sad facts...
@@saellenx3528 Yes today, but then before the war not.. the succession grew with time
Lebanon but a Balkan version.
Don’t know much about Lebanon but I can imagine in Bosnia it’s much worse especially since the Balkan war was so recent
@@anna-if8fi Lebanon is in a much worse situation than Bosnia, believe me. The port explosions last summer and all the mass protests due to threats of mass hunger prove that.
I am polish, love my Bosnian brothers and sisters.
Poland-defender of Europe!!
Serbia and their ethnic nazi agenda is still alive on Balkans, that is the core problem.
I feel so bad for Bosnia Hercegovina. I spent 2 weeks in Sarajevo and met life long friends there, talking to locals from the area and going into shops to talk about the situation in the city. The political situation is a result of a horrible situation which fermented because of nationalist tendencies. I hope in my lifetime I get to see a mostly united Bosnia where there is a functioning democracy and people are able to live an enriched life where their needs are met physically and politically.
Politically very hard if you want to see us united, 50% of population of Bosnia does not want a united Bosnia, thats why we are voting for our respective political parties. Bosnia is forced upon us and we will fight for the freedom as long there is a last Serb and Croatian left here. You are seeing it from foreign eyes and I understand you want to see us prosper but we can only do so if we are actually free to join our mother countries of Serbia and Croatia.
@@mdza Never was part of Croatia or Serbia, never will be. Croats and serbs are rapidly declining in Bosnia and if you want to join your mother country you are free to go any time. Serbia is just on the other side of Drina river.
@@burek9657 see, this kind of political agenda makes us not want to be part of Bosnia, you are claiming the country whole for yourself, we have nowhere to go, we are here as long as you are, and Bosnia is ours as much as it is yours, it is not up to you wether we can join or not. We all know that foreign ambassadors have the last say, not our and not your politicians, we are just in a zoo and a modern colony. Whatever they say it will happen, but mark my words, Bosnia is either going to be united or dissolved, because in this status quo, nothing is happening and its actually worsening. The war has already happen and everything is already divided, now ambassadors are trying to stick the country together but the people don’t want it, for 30 years they are trying it and until they realise that we do not want to live in a country together with people that we went into war with, it will not get better. Multiculturalism failed in Yugoslavia, it most certainly failed in Bosnia too.
@@mdza Nah, im not claiming that Bosnia is only for Bosniaks. Bosnia was always multicultural, mutli nation & it worked. Croats and Serbs lived in Bosnia for long time, and never in history wanted to seperate from Bosnia.
Today however, serbs and croats want to seperate from Bosnia which is apsurd, and thats why im saying is that its better that they are dissapearing from Bosnia. Bosniaks are dissapearing from Bosnia too, but Croats and Serbs in 2x faster rate.
@@mdza The idea of modern Bosnia when ZAVNOBIH happend is that its a country of muslims AND serbs AND croats. When 1992 referendum happend and thanks to nationalism that idea died.
Dont fool yourself that what i said is what makes u guys not want to be part of Bosnia.
Thats a lie. My attitude towards this and to many others is a result of serb & croat actions in 90s, not that we wanted a muslim Bosnia or something. Its just a poor excuse.
Thank you Vice for showing Mostar and it's struggle with nationalism. In the first frame of this documentary shows my childhood home, so I am extra sensitive. Growing up there we never cared of ethnicity, that only came during and after the wars. And the wars came after an economic struggle as is always the case. They blame ethnicity in a country which had 14% of mixed-marriages, that is more than smokers in Germany but in reality all the issues began due to an economic struggle. Mostar was known for being a city which was progressive. Unfortunately money is always the root of all evil. If somehow the economic picture of that country gets improved, the people will care less about ethnicity and they will begin to vote not out of fear for nationalist regressive sides, but vote with hope for a progressive united future as it always was. And if I may add, the people of Mostar are known to have a specific accent, an accent that chants when they speak. We recognize each other just by listening, we know who was born in Mostar and who is from outside just by hearing them speak. Most of the hate and most of the separation comes from people who do not chant when they speak, they don't really understand the spirit of that city. The true Mostar only wants to be what it always was, united.
You are absolutely correct. A prosperous and safe society is less prone to ethnic and religious division /violence. Poverty/economic struggles are more often the precursors to ethnic and sectarian violence. It's easier to scapegoat a particular ethnic group instead of everybody taking collective responsibility and coming together to fight for changes. Same thing is happening in my country and the possibility of another civil war in the space of 50 years is looming. The world is indeed messed up.
The divied was their before the war. It couldn't have happened over night, the war! Even in the second Yugoslavia no one was a Yugoslav. It was this group and that group. The problem is that regular people listen to bigger idiots then themselves! People hate the politicians and the system but gladly support it! One question for you. Why do people in Mostar STILL call the new bridge the "old" bridge!!? You all know it was destroyed in 93 and another bridge was built before the current one. Why call a new bridge old, doesn't make any sense at all!!!
@@TheWedabest Any country has always divide, you got divides in France from left to right ever since the French revolution, same in U.S. There is constant divide, all the time, everywhere. Yugoslavia was no utopia. What I tried to describe is that in Mostar, from my perspective the divide didn't affect our lives. It didn't come near us, we lived without it. We didn't even know who was which ethnicity. We simply didn't care. As for your question why is the old bridge still called "old bridge" after it's destruction, you can find many reasons for that. The primary reason is that even before the bridge was destroyed the people of Mostar personified the bridge into a living being. They called it often "my old one", or "the old one", referring to a pile of stones as a friend, a living being. Think of how destroyed Athene's Parthenon is today, then think of what it means not just for the Greeks but the entire human civilization. The Parthenon is no longer just a pile of stones, but a living memory. It matters not that it is destroyed, it is today indestructible, just like the old bridge. The old bridge symbolizes many things such as the link between the East and the West, the link between the past and present, the link between past generations and present, and today symbolizes what Mostar needs the most, a bridge between it's people. And as the famous song says "I was not hit, neither died nor fell. I just had to jump down. I will continue exactly where I left off. The old one will emerge for those who love him".
@@miliomb well that makes sense to you who are from Mostar. Also Mostar was divided during and especially after the war! Mostar has two different schools, police stations, fire departments and etc. It's extremely useless and a waste of money! People there are divided even if they don't want to admit it. Just goes to show how useless that "agreement " is!!!
@@TheWedabest Mostar's issue is mainly political, the last thing the people living in Mostar want to see is a divided city. But there is hope, take a look at Irma Baralija, if more politicians embrace her ideas the people will have a choice to vote away from nationalist parties. As for the "agreement" you refer, it was the best solution at the time, it will evolve the same way the European Union has evolved it's agreements. I know for an outsider it may seem crazy, but our Balkan lands have more in common with each other than a Frenchman has in common with an Italian. We have the same language, same artists, same culture, same humor, and are even mixed, we have 14% of mixed marriages. So think of the Balkans like a big dysfunctional family. But when it comes down to it, the Balkans will always unite with each other if an external invader were to come. They will always protect their family rather than to allow an external invader conquer them. And every so often it does happen, it was divided before the WWII, until some Germans had the bad idea to conquer the Balkans. They made the mistake thinking we were divided but in reality just a big dysfunctional family.
where logic ends,bosnia begins
thank you vice for shedding some light on the complicated situation we have back home! great video
Not all is black and white! There are many Bosnian Croats and Serbs that love Bosnia. Mixed marriages, mixed political parties (i.e. NS, SDP, NIP, PZP, etc).. mixed cities and towns and so on! You can’t say that everything is divided in Bosnia. Biggest problem is that ethno nationalist political parties are keeping people divided for their own interests. Slowly, we’re seeing some of them losing some power esp in Sarajevo.
There needs to be a party that represents nationalism for serbs croats and bosnians as Bosnia is for all 3 groups alone.
@@magyareuro2173 so you favor etno nationlists? They had power but didn’t do anything but steal! We need new liberal parties that can move past the finger pointing on who is who
@@baklava6138 not really. Liberal parties don't exactly mean anything good just because they are liberal. Bosnia and herzegovina is for croats, bosnians and serbs alone. They need a party that represents the nationalism of all 3 if they want unity. You literally can't have an ethno nationalist state if your country has 3 major ethnic groups.
@@baklava6138 also, while not the same, these ethnic groups share very similar genes, that's something they could unite on.
@@magyareuro2173 just leave Bosnia and it’s politics alone especially for people who aren’t even Bosnian themselves
What you’re talking about is ridiculous and we are very aware that we look the same we don’t have a race war this is not America we have our own problems and they lay in the politicians being dumb and power hungry I’m friends with everyone bc we don’t think of nationalism like that everyone has their own culture which is very similar but we are able to talk and communicate as long as there is no one hating us or discriminating us for who we are
It's so sad to see a potentially great place like this in such a shape. I'm hoping for its people.
It's hard to make a country with much internal animosity.That animosity comes from history and religion.
Serbs, Bosniaks and Croats are indeed similar.They look the same and speak pretty much the same language.
But, the weren't always on the same side in history.Rarely actually.Most notable examples are the First and Second World War in which Bosniaks and Croats fought on one side while the Serbs fought on the other.
Second World War is a bit more complicated. There were many Croat and Bosnian partisans and some Serb Nazi collaborators as well. Partisans in particular were all-Yugoslav force where all nationalities fought together.
@@krin8831 Partisans were recognized only after the Tehran conference when it became clear that Eastern Europe will fall under Soviet influence.
Yugoslavia had two resistance movements, Royalist Chetniks and Communist Partisans.
@@milostomic8539 Chetniks were resistance movement only in the beginning, after that they started collaborating with the nazis.
@@krin8831 Nope, they are still recognized as the first anti fascist movement in Yugoslavia which began with resistance in May 1941.
Some of its commanders did colaborate with the Germans and Italians but so did Partisans.
Check out German-Yugoslav Partisan negotiations in March 1943.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Yugoslav_Partisan_negotiations
@@milostomic8539 All I see here is some ceasefire and prisoner exchange negotiations, while Chetniks actively collaborated and fought together with Axis almost the whole war. Partisans were the only true and effective resistance movement in Yugoslavia. Not to mention that Chetniks were Serb nationalists that commited many war crimes against Croat and Bosnian civilians. That made them unattractive to all other nations except Serbs, so they got outnumbered by Partisans.
this makes my eyes water, this seems such a painful situation
THIS is the Vice People Care about, 10/10 Journalism
Not the nonsense El-gee-be-queue thing
@@user-oh6hl9kx1l they can report on whatever they want
@@mistahshade people cry under every Vice video or post saying they want the “old vice” as if vice hasn’t made the same content all along lol, it’s a losing battle
@@lykosss_333 Been looking for that comment - they have different reporters each reporting on any given issues. Vice is not a monolith with some sole agenda. Well said.
Serbian here
Whenever I hear politician talking about patriotism and protecting national interests I always look at my wallet.
I wish we had a party like Naša stranka here.
Is the wiki correct on the divisions in Bosnia? Can you confirm?
I sl am (51%)
Orthodox C h ristianity (30%)
Roman Ca th olicism (15%)
At heism (0.7%)
Agn osticism (0.3%)
Other (1%)
Not declared (0.9%)
No answer (0.1%)
@@zil1832
I am not from Bosnia, but it should be relatively true.
@@aleksandarstankovic3202ok, I was just curious.
@@corruptikoo2683 so that explain why they are 3 president? Pls! educate me 😊
@@sammylau2957 3 Presidents for each of the 3 ethnic groups. Nothing ever gets done since no one can agree with each other and corruption is rampant through all levels of government on all sides.
Mostar changed a lot since 1993 . It is much more peaceful place now .
If we going to look at it from that angle I guess it is lol✌
Mostar has a LOT of destroyed, Roting, and over grown Buildings. Near perfectly Normal ones.
Nationality and religion, should never get mixed up.. Bosnian living in Phoenix Arizona One Love guys great documentary.✌
@Gladius Clipeus I guess I'm old school he,he I personally think the name boshnjak is BS I think the Bosnian national parties are pushing that Name.
@Gladius Clipeus I noticed that too. I’ve always referred to myself as Bosnian And all the Bosnians I know refer to themselves as Bosnians - rarely have I ever heard anyone call themselves a ’Bosniak’.
I totally agree! I am personally pessimistic when it comes to Bosnia getting a national Bosnian identity, but hopefully the people will see this as a positive change forward.
@IB it will never happen, only Muslims from Bosnia identify as either Bosniak (those living in Bosnia) or Bosnian (living in diaspora). Croats and Serbs have a longer identity that spans for at least 2 centuries, while Muslims recently solved their identity issue, and when I say recently it was only in 1992 on a congress in Sarajevo (it was agreed that the Muslims of Bosnia would be called Bosniaks), which makes it awkward for any Muslim from Bosnia that was born outside or emigrated before 1992. because they don't call themselves Bosniaks but Bosnians.
The most confusing system in the world. This has to change!! Peacefully!
Actually the most confusing political system is in Switzerland. They make it work.
@@miliomb Did Switzerland have a brutal war 25 or so years ago?
Yeah peaceful dissolution is the only answer glad i found someone that agrees.
The only valid solution is the one that all 3 ethnic groups can agree on.
It has to change but at what cost? Do we all have to adhere to Bosniaks and have a unified Bosnia at the expense of Serbs and Croats, or do we get to join our respective countries where Serbs and Croats are majority and the leftover gets to have their country called Bosnia?
Rakija - Connecting People. They should use that as their slogan.
But what if you are a Muslim who doesn't drink? Then how do you connect?
@@BosnianBornBeastNišta progutaj muku kao i mi bosanski ateisti
I can always count on Vice to explain everything well
Isn't it amazing that whatever conflict is there in Balkans, it always ends with trying to partition Bosnia ?
its the people of Bosnia who want it in the end. 50% of Bosnian population are Serbs and Croats who want to secede, its only natural, there was a war and 100 000 people died to gain freedom they did not get. It will never end until Bosnia dissolves just like Yugoslavia did, its not natural to have three ethnicities living in a same country who hate each other.
@@mdza yeah but like where will Bosniaks go ? if this were to happen they will be left with a stub of a land
@@MikeSmith-hy5rc they will have their own country in what's left of Bosnia. It will be smaller but atleast it will be stable and the Bosniaks will be able to do whatever they want
@Tees Man well thats close to roughly 50-50% but by the constitution its 2:1 for Serbs and Croats since every nation has one vote on major decisions.
@Tees Man yes but you also forget Bosnia is surrounded by Croatia and Serbia, but there will never be a war there again since Bosnia is a US protectorate and they wont allow it to happen.
i love cevapi
Everyone does
I wish i could try it
Just Divide and rule politics
My point of view:
Bosnia is most ethnically homogenous country in Europe. Over 98% of its population speak the exact same language, have the same history and have lived in that area for at least 1000 years.
These are not Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats, but Muslims, Orthodox and Catholic Bosnians.
Over 1000 years, one of these 3 groups suppressed other 2 based on that which country had power over Bosnia - Hungarians/Germans, Serbs or Turks.
Yugoslavia had situation under control, until Yugoslavia itself started to fall apart - Catholics wanted to be part of Croatia, Orthodox with Serbia, and Muslim wanted Bosnia for themselves. You have to remember, while Croatia and Slovenia broke off in 1991, war in Bosnia was delayed for almost 18 months, while locals waited to see how situation was developing.
Excellent journalism. I must say, in spite of Bosnia's political problems, Mostar has some of the kindest and most helpful people I have ever met. I'll never forget how so many strangers helped us by leading us all over the city to find our Airbnb that turned out unfortunately not to exist. These wonderful people were calling their cousins and friends to ask where the location of our apartment might be and leading us through the city on bike as we followed in our taxi. And, oh yeah, the best Turkish style coffee with that thick sludge at the bottom of the mug is located right next to the bridge.
Mostar is not in Bosnia
@@hercegmario8679 He means Bosnia & Herzegovina as a country. It's much easier to refer to it as Bosnia as in the Federal Bosnian government.
Balkan needs a ruthless king
Herzegovina gets it name from the German word "Herzog" meaning Duke. So Herzegovina means "the land of the Duke" or " the Duke`s land". Herzegovina was invaded by the Ottoman Turks in 1482 AD.
They arent divided between the River… the River divides the old and new town
What is the reporter's name
For context in regards to when they were talking to the Croat party leader. One of the main reasons his party supports changing the law that politicians should be elected from their ethnic group is because in Bosnia's political system there are X number of officials to represent each ethnic group. The officials have to belong to a particular group - in previous elections, officials elected to the Croat seats were primarily voted in by Bosniaks rather than Croats. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BDeljko_Kom%C5%A1i%C4%87 The majority of Croats vote for HDZ which basically advocates for a decentralized system whereas Komsic generally supports the Bosnian central government.
I'm not arguing that the system of Bosnia is good - its a horribly dysfunctional system but there is actually logic behind his party's policy proposal.
The only logic behind the proposal is a last-ditch effort to undermine Bosnia and Herzegovina as a country and once and for all finish the division among ethnic lines thus leaving the country encapsulated in a system controlled by oligarchs sowing the division among one of the poorest peoples in Europe. The proposal itself is discriminatory, uncivilized and incompatible with anything resembling democracy, assuming the current discriminatory system can be classified as such. If such proposals were interpolated into election law, which somehow EU seems more and more eager to support, it would be a major step from the Dayton B&H, but not in the right direction
Stooge is spelled S-T-O-O-G-E.
This woman clearly doesn't understand the country she was born raised and lives in
The West effectively abandoned BiH after Dayton ink was dried.
"OK, our work is done here. You figure the rest out for yourselves." They say that to groups of people who just spent the better part of 4 years trying to gouge out the eyes and eat the brains of each other. And they [West] are surprised it hasn't worked as they figured it would? This level of incompetence is unprecedented in the Western world.
It seems as if too many people gain at the failure of BiH. Too many people have money and power to keep Bosnia from developing into a single state, with a single identity such as that as USA or UK. I would love to be romance and say when the big three parties are out of power, then the One Bosnia dream could be realized. But, I fear only war will rage again, egged on by nationalist factions in Serbia and Croatia, if that was to happen.
BiH is not a failed state. It is a doomed state whose fate is controlled far from its own borders.
4:45 Nice Tat, ngl
Finally good content from Vice
5:33 bruh the summation of his argument is “in an effort to mend relations we restrict ethnic groups from voting on a belief basis and only allow them to vote on an ethnic basis.” Everybody knows that not all individuals in defined ethnic groups believe in the same things... people can have varying opinions.
And on top of that he describes a scenario where a group of people vote for a politician that represents their values rather than their ethnicity and then blames the voters for the legislators not doing their jobs. Jesus Christ, I’m not religious but I pray for peace over there.
csgo niko's fan here. Good luck.
Here's a guy from Brčko Nikos home town
Beautiful place, beautiful people, but why can't they just stop being a problem to themselves and each other? They obliterated architecture that had lasted 100s of years, tortured each other, and killed their neighbors.
@Gladius Clipeus Like what resources does BoHz have? On who's land is the copper mine or quartz deposit? Sure...lets blow up these perfectly useful railways and roads because we cannot agree. There are no shortages of examples of countries that have imploded for lack of common sense. Look at Latin America, are the Colombians bombing Venezuela over a pittance tract of land that they have in dispute? Folks, leave the nonsense from 1390 in 14th Century. If an example as clear as CoViD does not prove that cooperation is how you will survive, what are waiting for? Extraterrestrials?
Globalists didnt want us to prosper
@@balkanblackpillvideosandmo8456 You need to stop stifling each other. If you can't be civil, that's when you get taken advantage of, by whomever.
Is Valentin Inzko Bosnian? His accent sounds very Germanic
He is austrian. Ethnic slowenian.
@@betulkizmaz2350 I thought so his accent compared to other lady was very different
Nope high representative is appointed by the EU
If you focus on economy you forget who is who and get united in a multi-cultural or multi-ethnic nation to work together
*Heres what I could find on wikipedia about the divisions....*
I sl am (51%)
Orthodox C h ristianity (30%)
Roman Ca th olicism (15%)
At heism (0.7%)
Agn osticism (0.3%)
Other (1%)
Not declared (0.9%)
No answer (0.1%)
It doesn't paint the entire picture, for example in the 90s just before the war there were 14% of multi-ethnic marriages, that is more than smokers in Norway. The majority of the people do not care of ethnicity, they never did. It is only the economic struggles which brought forward divide, if the country was 100% of one single religion they would have divided based on their hair color. Religion is just an unnecessary difference but any difference is a reason for war when faced with poverty and struggle.
What are the demographics in Serbia?
@@dylanh04 ~83.3% Serbs, 3.5% Hungarians, 2.1% Roma, 2% Bosniaks, etc.
I don't get how people can understand two cultures or ethnicities that were at war with each other having issues with unity in the future... but cant understand how communities who are experiencing violence and crime with each other have issues with unity as well. The whole time watching this it felt exactly like how most "retired" gang bangers feel... we don't want the violence anymore but the hatred of the "other side" is so hard to excise. Especially after casualties are involved. This is like the macro version of the problems going on at the micro level in these neighborhoods all over the US, and why that community unity is so hard to build back once that division occurs. Even once the war is over the pain lingers.
I think its just going to take time for all the people who lived through the war to die off and then when new people come in the politics will be a bit better
If Bosnia had one president and united Bosnia could probably be one of the main country's in Balkans but no one wants to fight for that
@Fish Warrior And even they have put embargo on Bosnia from 92-94 Bosnians had to capture guns to even fight but still united Bosnia Spirit still lives
Yes they fought for it in the 90s but they lost the war, thats why we have 3 presidents now and a country separated along ethnic lines
This would be the only way Bosnia can ever move forward. Wish I could help.
Maybe this president is learning from #Modilies who is believed to divide and rule policy
Inter tribal violence.
People are broken apart on so many levels its more similiar to hatred by now...Even the younger people maybe even more hate eachother..Unfortunatly country will broke up on etnic lines.
Well, there needs to be some lessons drawn from Tito's rule - you'll only have peace in Yugoslavia, if you oppress and imprison all nationalists equally
To hell with democratic principles. Nationalist Christian dominant countries must purge this islamic resurgence or face sharia and enslavement. I say this now that there are 2 plagues that ravage the world, Radical Mutants or Leftists and Radical Islam. China is the only country that could show audacity to both enemies. Not saying that I like China, but they're also nationally aggressive for their part. 🤔
A lot of the ethnic tensions in the Balkans can be traced back to the Turks and their divide and rule tactics during their 500 year occupation of the region. What we need is reperations from Turkey, to make up for the 500 years of misery, poverty and killings they forced on the native people here.
@@theinquisitor7191 I became dumber from reading your comment, thanks bro.
@@theinquisitor7191 weirdo
Bosnia can only move forward if all three ethnicities can reconcile their differences.
I would actually say that all three religious need to reconcile their faith-based differences and understand that they are the same Bosnian people, just with arbitrary labels put on them that are the product of 19th century nationalism.
@@ib368 What is called Bosnia and Herzegovina are territories invaded and taken by force from Croatia by the Ottoman Turks over 200 years. The local population was changed forever with religious conversions or new ethnic groups moving into the region and mixing the population. When you accept this fact then is becomes clear why there is so much trouble there.
I don't get why there can't be three regions for the three people for them to prosper. They could be a prospering country because Croatians are good with Germany, Serbs with Russia and Bosniaks with Muslim countries. Their trade could carry the country. Not to even mention all the things Bosnia has to offer. If the three people understood how much they are being manipulated they could easily get themselves out
Bosniaks are not allowing Croats to have their own region because of the Washington agreement in 1994 where Croats and Bosniaks joined into one region “federation of Bosnia & Herzegovina”, prior to that Croats had their own region “Herzeg-Bosnia”. The truth is Croats were blackmailed into signing the agreement because otherwise NATO would not help them in Croatian war of independence. So now we have these two regions, Serb dominated and one Bosniak dominated with Croats being minority in the other region.
Bosnia is our heart .greating from somalia
Bosnia could have chance if USA kept pressure, when USA troops and influence left others came and now country is more fucked up then it was in 1996. I was born in Sarajevo and Mostar is probably the city I love the most after Sarajevo. Also I love Velež which is football club from Mostar. Inzko doesnt have any power just taking huge money, we could agree but Bosniaks must understand and I am saying that as one, that international community can't whisper to us anymore.
Bosnia wouldn't be in the problem that it is in now, if alija izetbegovic hadn't sold out the republic and Clinton with his appeasement!!!
@Damir Mujkic They need Christianity.
Honestly they have to address cities like Drvar before they can make any positive political change.
What is happening over there?
Ova zena Irma Baralija je izuzetno inteligentna i dobronamerna. Mislim da se nece dugo zadrzati u politici, tu nema mesta za takve ljude. Ipak, ima volje da menja stvari i zelim joj sve najbolje.
Thank you Irma and thank you VICE News!
Why?? 90% of Bosnians agree.
This didn't age so well 😬
i wasn't in Bosnia since 15 years... I'm serb and i hope for all people in all the balkans that they have finally a nice country where we could live affordable and without hate..
I'm not a fan of hate and i wish everyone just good luck and that it becomes the land how i see it. with a wonderful lovely economic with these nice hills and the nature we have!
Yeah Biden intervening will definitely work out well
I live in the same village as Inzko. He's a good guy
I want some CEVAPI and PITA !
I just had some cevapi 😂
These 3 Countries, which have been struggling with horrible Economy (due to their own doing!), being poorer then the poorest region in Africa, plunched themselves even further into this nationalistic political mess after the wars ended. A Mess, that made their Life even worse, then during the actual brutal Bosnian war. They should either become democratic countries very fast, or go back to being ruled by a hopefully smart King again, and become a Monarchy again. The People in these countries have proven over and over again, that they are not capable leading people , nor leading their country. What a Shame. For they are ALL really really wonderful and very, very nice human beings. ... What a Mess they have made for themselves... it is so, so sad...:(
Hoces, malo morgen...
Hoće jašta će
I think Valentin Inzko is ignoring the obvious solution to Bosnia's problems. Let the nation break up into three new nations for it's ethnicities, because the majority clearly don't want a united Bosnia to work.
That seems to be the only realistic solution, for better od worse. The problem with that and why it will hardly actually happen is that Croats and Muslim Bosnians will never have an agreement who keeps what in their entity.
Look on map of ethnicities and you will see why that wouldnt work.
That would be like saying let's divide California based on people's hair color. The majority of people do not want a divide it's just that those that want it are very loud as is always the case with hate groups.
There would have to be major ethnic transfers to really make that a viable option.
By doing that you would legalize the genocide and make a how-to tutorial on State creation.
All this division has the country in a bad economic state with young people leaving the country and old politicians just pocketing money.
Have at a look at a map of the region it all becomes clear. You leave Croatia go through Bosnia and then you are back in Croatia again. Umm...
Bosnia, the political system and in particular, the ethnic relations between the three peoples is a problem with no answer
There are no “three peoples” in Bosnia. Only one people’s , with different religions.
I wish you well with that belief
The answer is to demand change and stop listening to old people
@@98091238 lol buddy what
We are the same only difference is religion
@@thefridge7335 we were led down that garden path before and what did that "bratstvo i jedinstvo" rubbish result in? the "we are all the same" is just a slogan to keep certain peoples docile and accommodating and deprived of rights others enjoy
Collapse of yugoslavia was a mistake
Yugoslavia was gonna collapse one way or another
why? most countries are better off, except for bosnia that hase a diversity and muslim problem.
Agreed, but the ugly head of nationalism destroyed YU. Serbs croats bosniaks albanians and slovenians all contributed to YUs failure. Also, serb maps of greater serbia and their political ideology of created a greater serbia did not help to unify the different YU peoples.
No it wasn't. Most countries other than Bosnia are better off today than in Yugoslavia, and we got rid of communism.
krin no they aren’t LOL only Slovenia
Tying to create an American style melting pot democracy in a notoriously religious and ethnically divided area is as dangerous as it is stupid. And if this setup (as imposed by the USA) is not the result of hubris and criminal US incompetance it is an ingenious way to keep the ethnic tensions and low development going on for decades thus making the US relevant in the region. The lady in the video is a Muslim Bosniak nationalist. They see this project as a way of Muslim long-term dominance in the country provided the higher Muslim fertility rate.
5:33 molim?
Most people today want a more nationalist approach. Putting the countries interests first...
Nationalism is great
Maybe , hopefully, people will listen to her. We have a couple of good ones here in the US also, that no one will really listen to.
YU need to GO back, guys.
XD
The issue is that Bosnia-Herzegovina is an artificial country. Serb and Croats who want to be reunified with their respective countries cannot be forced to remain under Sarajevo’s rule indefinitely, and it will eventually lead to another war.
Bosnia has existed for centuries as a kingdom and country! In bosnia no one is stopping the orthodox and catholics from moving to neighboring countries. They can do that anytime they want!
@@TheWedabest Yes, that is true but that country was Christian kingdom.
And before 1992 Bosnia was not a recognized country just like Croatia, Slovenia and Macedonia.
@@milostomic8539 in a way it was. It was also multi religious. Besides orthodox and catholics it also included the Bosnian church.
@@milostomic8539 Bosnia was a republic in the war.
@@razgriz5416 After it illegally left Yugoslavia.
The only solution for bosnia is peaceful dissolution like in case of czechoslovakia.
Lol we in Yugoslavia lost our chance for peaceful dissolution way back in the 90s...
Bosnia is not two countries like czechoslovakia was ,so it cant split
it will be very challenging to achieve the ideals of a *United Bosnia & Herzegovina* as long as there are state entities called Croatia and Serbia in this world
say to sorry, but *GOOD LUCK,* there will come a time when a new generation is fed up with this divisive politics
@@haristhebosniaklion8584
Kosovo is Albania
Srpska is Serbia
Herzegovina is Croatia
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustaše
this domino effect will only make Bosnia live in *HELL* as usual
*HAIL HYDRA* : _Danke Deutschland_
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustaše_Militia#Composition
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_(1st_Croatian)
NB : *USE YOUR SMART BRAIN, DUDE*
At this rate if rather have a dictatorship than the joke governments who run ex Yugoslav States
Atheist me is just wondering what could be a way out of that dumb situation. Enlighten me!
I'm afraid that if the country was 100% of one religion they would have divided based on hair color. Hate groups emerge when economy drowns. It has been like that for ages and everywhere. The majority of people do not want to divide, it's just that hate groups are very loud, they silence the majority. And that can only happen if the economy is struggling, that is why if Europe wants to revive this country they will need to support the economy and help progressive politicians like Irma Baralija, or any other politician that doesn't support ethnical divide.
A time machine. That's probably it.
Idk but muslim me thinks the situation is not as bad as news overblowns it.
@@tarci2994 Any chance that Vice can get to slander nationalism and make women look good, they'll take.
@@IndustrialMilitia It’s Vice, it’s kind of their motto.
Westerners need to learn one big truth, they can't artificially create a nation. Not without some big force behind the process. Cultural, ideological, linguistic or religious assimilation. People need to share some common values for that artificial process to work. Moreover, membership in that new nation needs to have some benefits behind it so it doesn't fall apart after that background force is gone.
This is exactly what happened in Yugoslavia. There was linguistic unity, more or less, religion was deleted and communism became the force to artificially unit people. This setup came with lots of benefits. That is why people who are above 50 years old in the Balkan's remember Yugoslavia very fondly.
Communism fell apart after the dictator Tito died. For the following 10 years privileges which were associated with being Yugoslavian started to fade away, or were taken away by force. At the end, religion came back into the picture and people went back to their old divisions. But now people were living mixed together with no clear borders. All of this was a powder barrel and with one bullet at the Serbian wedding, fired by Muslims, ignited the war which lasted for 4 years. Now, most people are more content with living "together" but apart than with one group dominating the others which will surely happened if the country is totally centralised and turned into a citizen state with the principal of "one person one vote".
The best way is to create new ethnicity and new language, in indonesia for example they have more than 1340+ etnic group 700+ language and 270+ language in papua alone, but they decide to unite and create bahasa indonesia wich then over time people who move to city decide to raise their kid to speak Bahasa indonesia and slowly people forgetting wich ethnicity they belong to and thus born a new ethnic group
She should become the first single Prime Minister of Bosnia (replacing the 3 presidents)
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WE SHOULD PEACEFUL REFERENDUM FOR THE FUTURE OF THE COUNTRY...PEOPLE ARE TOO MUCH DIVIDED AND FORCED TO LIVE IN BROKEN COUNTRY
Not possible in a country with constituent peoples.
Vice:
"Let's end nationalism in Bosnia"
Westerners:
"Yes, it's horrible"
Bosniaks in the comment section:
"Let's ethnicly cleanse Serbs and Croats in Bosnia".
Serbs and Croats in the comments:
"Failed state, to each his share"
Literally not a single Bosniak in the comments said that but ok what ever makes you sleep at night i guess
@@goldzen3019 damir mujkic: "whole of Bosnia should be salafi".
That's a clear refernce to ethnic cleansing.
Also comments like dante:"Croats go to Croatia and Serbs to Serbia" represent a clear call for ethnic cleansing.
There's probably more but don't care to read.
You are clearly a liar.
@@kresbes7240 Bosniaks aren’t salafi!!! I’m a bosniak and we are normal Muslims salafis come from Arabs we don’t have that school here it came after the War. Inform yourself before you listen to dumb people on the internet
@@Bd-mq8td i reposted a post made by Bosniak that claimed Bosnia should be salafi.
That is clear call for ethnic cleansing.
I did so in response to a statments that Bosniaks were not calling for ethnic cleansing.
I am not responsible for moronic ideas of other people.
I simply point them out.
@TheOverkiller2000 this is not the first time i've seen such comments from Bosniaks. It's become a regular occuremce on news and other channels.
I belive extreme expansionist and fundamentalist aditutes are what drives moves of Bosniak polititians.(which the majority of Bosniak people seem to support)
I have no other way of explaning:
The continuous disregard for the Dayton accords.(connected to voting rights and return of population)
The attemps to block a key infrastructure project of "Pag bridge" in Croatia.
The insanity of a situation where a Bosnian Serb representative Dodik is the one stopping the initative to block the Pag bridge project started by Bosniak polititians.
We are talking about Dodik here ffs.
When Dodik is the one restraing you from aggresive and biligerant moves you should probably stop and think about your behaviour.
As for some Croat or Serbs calling you Turks.
That is technicaly true. Since a great number of Bosniaks have Turkish genetic markers.
That is also true to a lesser extent for Bosnian Serbs also to an even lesser extent for Bosnian Croats.
You should not be offended by facts.
It would probably be fair to say that people more likely hate you because of your behaviuor and actions rather than your origin.
Now when they need their nationality the most..now comes someone who wants to change that...unbeliviable
You should have right to vote for whoever you want that is the right way my the best win even if he is different ethnicity. Let there be peace in BiH was in the war never wish on anyone people of BiH are sick of wars they want good jobs less corruption and to better life for everyone in BiH .
Komunjara
Can’t wait to see a Bosnia with one president that changes. Doesn’t matter what ethnicity he or she is. Equal law for everyone and get along! A lot of people want that but do not know how to achieve it.
Bosnia with one president means war. Don't be so stupid
@@stefanmijic6284 hence what I said they do not know how to achieve it. Because of a possibility of war. The politicians in Bosnia is corrupted to shreds, and I feel like all the Bosnian people should rise and unite but that is wayyy far fetched due to what happened 25 or so years ago.
But once this generation dies out new generation will have a better chance to
Unite. And that can simply be the start towards a better future I hope!
Also however,
Today’s younger Bosnian Serbs, Bosniaks, and Bosnian Croats are sick of it. Sick of barely putting food on the table and having no jobs! All because of 3 presidents that can’t seem to agree on almost anything! It’s fuckin pathetic and sad.
I want what’s best for all ethnicities in Bosnia. We have to work together to achieve it. But how?
@@themac150 a great starting point would be for people not see themselves in a religious way but a national way. As in being Bosnian, part of bosnia as a nation state! Not along religious lines! Also the catholics and orthodox need to stop seeing themselves as part of neighboring countries but only Bosnian! They will say they were born in bosnia but want to be part of other countries! That is the problem of religiously based identity!!!
@@TheWedabest 100% agree!!
I wish they would just call themselves Bosnian! Whether they’re catholic, Christian or Muslim! I’ve been saying that to people as well. But the problem is their parents of today’s kids are feeding them with the same bullshit hate and ideology as 25-30 years ago! It’s pathetic!
@@themac150 you got that right. A lot of young people are leaving bosnia. Sad in a way but at least their not being poisoned by the politics!
Free Bosnia !
Reporter funky hear style. Hmm weard
Oh religion,the gift that keeps on giving...
Ohh stupidity. The gift that keeps on giving. It has nothing to do with religion lol
@@JK-oq9cl language? Well not war but genocide yes.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nellie_massacre
@@JK-oq9cl Bengali and Assamese here funnily use the same alphabet but the language is different.
Nationalism, not religion in this case.
I am an atheist Serb from Bosnia who wants independence of Republika Srpska and unification with Serbia.
Why can Kosovo but RSrpska and Crimea cant? American imperialist duble standard politics is the problem. Europe is being devided by ethnic borders as well. Muslims in Europe live in there isoleted community's. The Dayton agreement should be respect!
I have I question VICE. How come the radicals in the comment section are alowed to support ethnic cleansing unobstructed?
Yet when I point that out my comment magicaly disapears?
Why is that?
Split it. No amount of goodwill or democracy is going to unite a place that divided. Forcibly keeping it together is the source of all the other problems.
Try dividing California based on people's hair color and see how you do the logistics. It is easy for the French to create borders with Italians, they don't mix, they don't speak the same language, they don't have the same culture, humor, artists. You won't find in France 14% of population being mixed with Italians. Yet, that is what we have in our lands, 14% were of mixed ethnicity. How do you divide that? Not only is it impossible but it is crazy. The majority of people do not want the divide, it's just that those who want to divide they are very loud as is always the case with hate groups. Small dogs bark the loudest.
@@miliomb Iraqi's during Saddam Hussein's leadership thought they were united because the dictator put a single identity on everyone and crushed all separatists. After he fell all the divisions came back as if from nowhere and led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands in the ensuing civil wars between the groups, these people were the exact same genetic make-up but are only divided by cultural ideas. Even the people considered a sensible majority will pick a side if it comes to it. Borders exist to contain violence. It costs fewer lives to just draw lines on a map than unite people who don't view others as a part of themselves. This same story is played out in so many countries where colonialists did not consider tribe and culture before creating states.
@@zinjanthropus322 If I am not mistaken Saddam kept the country evenly funded, money. And money is the root of all evil, not borders. It is impossible to evenly divide our lands as we are so mixed and spread since we are the same people. The real underlying reason for divide is economic struggle, greed. As it always is the case everywhere, if we had the same ethnicity all over they would divide us based on hair color if that makes those in power more profitable.
@@miliomb Force. Saddam and Ghaddaffi kept their countries together by destroying anyone who tried to separate them. But that didn't matter because eventually every regime falls and if the people don't see themselves as one then it does not matter how much money you throw towards economic equality. There's been research done into it and it was found that people feel much safer and act kindly around people they identify as part of their group.
@@zinjanthropus322 Your group will only last until you have food. Then you will begin to steal or kill those in your group. You dont need studies to see that. Countless times have tribes, groups, religious groups, ethnicities divided based on economic struggles. If you trace the origins of creation every ethnic group it often derives from an economic event. A large portion of muslims for example were born in the Balkans due to an economic pressure from Ottomans, families of same ethnicity were separated because of economic pressures. Money is the root of all evil, not ethnicity.