Jim Cornette on The Red Rooster & Bad Gimmicks
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- čas přidán 14. 09. 2020
- From Episode 157 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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Sean Oliver: "Bruce Prichard ... vehemently defends the Red Roster gimmick. With passion and conviction."
Bret Hart: "Now i know why Bruce Prichard is where he is"
😂🤣
Que Bret's WWF music 🎶
Sucks KC dont make anything anymore, sean oliver was funny as fuck
@@outsiderzzzz kayfabe com is shut down?
@@96mrjones well im pretty sure bro i read seans book and i mean they havent put out anything new in like 5 years
I always felt sorry for Terry Taylor. He was such a talent, but he was ruined forever after that.
He didn't have to sell the gimmick the stupid way that he did. Nobody told him to cockadoodle doo at the camera. He was just a cocky snitch. He should have just played it that way.
He sure was!!!
“3 years later he’s clucking like a chicken on television” lmfao🤣😂🤣
IRS is an example of a bad gimmick on paper that worked brilliantly only because the wrestler was a real top-tier talent. A lesser wrestler than Mike Rotunda would have probably never made it over. As it is, IRS was a great gimmick, everyone my age remembers it fondly. Yeah, I am the weird kid whose favorite wrestler in the early 90s was IRS. He was so underrated. Dude was a technician on the same level as Bret Hart, DiBiase and Mr. Perfect. Money Inc. and the Undertaker were the best parts of that last couple years of the WWF golden age. I was so pissed when IRS never got a run as Intercontinental Champion.
He was a great heel
Bad Gimmicks have killed so many wrestlers careers. The Red Rooster is a prime example.
Or one bad gimmick could kill several wrestlers at once
Vince ruined alot of careers.
Gobbledy gooker killed Hector Guerrero's reputation
But red rooster is still alive and in the wrestling business.
I broke into the Independent circuit in the mid 70's along with Terry Taylor. Terry was very athletic and I wrestled him numerous times in the gym. At least Terry made it to the big time, I went on to a highly successful career as a Project Superintendent
If Terry Taylor was once compared to Ric Flair, then I can imagine him becoming The Red Rooster is as if Flair took up Jim Herd's suggestion to cut his hair and start calling himself Spartacus.
Bobby Heenan was the greatest character ever in pro wrestling.
Taker has entered the chat.
I would give it to Bobby too. So fucking entertaining from start to finish.
@@Ted_Bell To the end brotha, you see his HOF Speech? I know you did.
Bobby was magnificent
Bobby was kickass
I saw that Flair Taylor match on VHS . .absolute classic if it can be found or turns up on CZcams watch it . It was every bit as good as Flair v Windham and Flair v Steamboat which are probably Rics best defenses .
It never worked. Heenan as his manager buried the Rooster constantly like he was incompetent.
He's limited in size, he's limited in musculature, he's limited in won loss record but I'll make him a star! - Heenan
And then when Rooster turned on Heenan, he got plugged into a feud with jobber Steve Lombardi,.
That's so messed up on so many levels LMFAO 😂😂😂😂😂😂 They treated Terry Taylor like hot garbage.. My opinion I think he could of made it work even though it was a stupid gimmick.. I think the discouragement of others from the back stage made Terry feel even worst about his gimmick..
Just watched that episode of Primetime. Love that fukn show
Heenan even berated him vs Tito Santana, when George Steinbrenner was sitting ringside and said, "I have ring full of Winfield's"
Only Dusty could get polka dots over.
I always felt like Dusty should've been brought in as what he was in the NWA & that's being wrestling's John Wayne. I mean, Vince made Dusty look like a joke like he did Harley, Dory & Adrian Adonis.
@@TheSportsfan35 They gave him a dopey gimmick but he made the best of it by putting enthusiasm and charisma into it.
@@thekidfromiowa & Dusty hated it, much like Harley hated being booked as a Jerry Lawler knockoff & Adrian Adonis hated going from a tough dude from NY to being an Adrian Street knockoff with no on-air explanation behind it, Jesse Ventura especially hated how Adrian was booked by Vince because the last thing fans saw of him on tv before he died was that shit. You notice how many people have asked for their release from Vince's company over the last few years & alot of it is thanks to Vince's God-awful booking & creative ideas he comes up with for the talent,& what's even more telling is how happy talent like FTR seem to be working for another company like AEW instead of still working for Vince. Again, there's a reason why Ole told Vince to go fuck himself & that's because he knew that Vince would give him a stupid gimmick like he did Taylor, Harley, Adonis & Dusty & he knew that Vince would more than likely book him to come in & do jobs to Hogan like Harley & the Funks were brought in & booked to do by Vince.
@@TheSportsfan35 So Dusty wasn't really thankful for his polka dots?
Adam from Iowa or Bruce Prichard??? It was a rib on Dusty and even he couldn’t make that work!
That Grandpa story was wonderful because we see where the anger and frustration has a continued legacy. Remember children , you are a product of your past😅
Mike Rotunda & Terry Taylor are great examples of Cornette's point. Excellent workers who were given shitty gimmicks and would have been better off wrestling as themselves. Rotunda was at his best with Rick Steiner as the Varsity Club, when his gimmick was pretty much just being an ace wrestler.
Yeah but IRS got some heat n was a tag champion
IRS was so deep. You know, because it’s not about how much you make but how much you save. So here you have a wrestler who’s gimmick is being fiscally responsible as a reminder to the boys in the back to do the right think and pay your quarterly estimated taxes.
Wrestling _is ART!_
No way he was best in Money INC.
He did well with the IRS gimmick
IRS was a great gimmick. Awesome heel. Add Ted DiBiase to the mix, and Money Inc was great...
The rooster thing could have worked had it been an insult the fans directed at Terry rather than something he called himself. Like how fans chanted "weasel" at Heenan. If they kept him heel as himself then had Beefcake cut his hair into a mohawk thus leading to rooster chants that could have got heat.But instead he just happily acted like a chicken.
A cocky arrogant mean heel dialed up to 11 but instead he was clucking and looked awkward and uncomfortable and fans could tell
If you look up "Da Brain" interviews on youtube, Bobby says the rooster management was an embarassment.
Imagine 1998 WWF if they still had the silent Ringmaster, smiley Rocky Maivia and Dr Isaac Yankem
RIP WWF if that were the case
Some gimmicks just won't go anywhere. Even if it wasn't botched, where were they going with the Shockmaster? Puh-lease.
Honestly, the Shockmaster could have worked if they A: Didn't botch his debut and B: Gave him a Goldberg style win streak in which he destroyed everyone who stepped in the wring with him. It could have been built up to a cage match or no DQ main event at Starcade with him vs Vader. Monster heel against monster face. It really wouldn't have been that hard.
@@beauleidig8670 I get that... but dressing up in a bedazzled Stormtroopers helmet and a fur vest... what were they expecting people to think when they seen The Shockmaster for the first time, even if that debut went off without a hitch?
@@PYLrulz1984 Sorry, I should have clarified that his attire was also part of the botched debut that I was referencing. The helmet was never going to work. It should have been a mask that he also wrestled in. That way he could have distanced himself from his WWF personas. The vest, maybe on it's own. I think either the Barbarian, or Warlord wore something similar. Attire can be whatever as long as you get the guy over. Vader's helmet was really pretty dumb as well, if we're being honest, but we give it a pass because Vader was one of the best heels of his era. Like I said before, had they taken the time to establish his persona as an "unstoppable monster face" we wouldn't have thought twice about what he was wearing.
I always wondered what they expected from Shocky if the helmet came off so easily from falling over...
I think Ottman, initially anyway, was just happy to not have a gimmick based off his weight. It is really unfortunate how that worked out.
He did fine as anyone could do as the Red Rooster but I don't blame him for leaving and not looking over his shoulder. He's the only wrestler ever that people legit felt sorry for!
as a kid i enjoyed the character
He should have played it differently. Just been Red rooster in name but don't do the stupid cawing. Just use the name Rooster as a signal you're a cocky son of a bitch and you're going to strut around and kick ass
Some people think Cornie just says ridiculous stuff just to get attention. This clip really shows how Cornie is a genius when it comes to wrestling knowledge.
Samuel Gates Corny is an idiot who says stuff to get people to listen to his podcast.
I think Doink is a good representation of this. Matt Borne made the best of a HIGHLY questionable gimmick by making him interesting and sinister. Kind of an extension of himself, but with clown makeup.
He was always supposed to be an evil clown. Nothing that Matt borne added. There have been like 10 guys who were doink
an Evil clown is a good gimmick in my opinion
@HughJanis TheKneegur
Please, hold back all that elaboration.
@@drunkensailor112
You mean the like 10 guys who played a Face doink? Sure.
But Matt did the heel one, and with a great sinister tone to it(whether that was due to his real life issues or not I know not).
There was certainly something to the character that could've been great, especially if it had come during the attitude era and been more developed.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 original Matt Borne Doink was fantastic. You have a sinister and annoying clown playing pranks on the babyfaces. The pissed off babyface challenges the annoying clown to a match and the clown shocks everyone by out wrestling the babyface. It was genius! Then Borne left. The replacement wasn't near the wrestler Borne was and then they further ruined the character by turning him babyface and taking away the out wrestling his opponents aspect of the character making it a goofy clown gimmick that got old really fast.
He made it work but I always thought Mike Rotondo deserved better than IRS
but I would of never seen my fave tag team money inc
I loved irs lol
@@cecilmccoy4890 Windham and Rotundo the US Express circa 1985 in WWF and as a team in Florida as well in 84 were far superior than Money Inc
He did get a chance to return the favor with a WCW Vince parody called Michael K. Wallstreet.B.W.
The DING DONGS could’ve gone to the moon. What happened?
Have you ever seen the old SciFi-series: "Space: 1999" with Martin Landau? The moon just left the solar system. 🤣
One got dinged and the other got donged.
Once the red rooster left Heenan and turned face it was perfect for the times for the kids and as one of the kids he was over until booking him as a jobber but as a ic contender or a tag as a face would of worked instead of jobbing him out to heavyweight contenders even i c contenders it got to the point we knew he was going to lose but for the 80's as a kid he was over as a face
Terry Taylor should never have been the red rooster
Taker was so consistent... Mark was 100% into it... He never slipped into doing kiddie stuff.
The story I always heard was that he was initially offered "Mr. Perfect" and told Vince that it was the most idiotic angle. Vince offered the part to Curt Hennig who thought it was brilliant and made it work. Red Rooster was a punishment angle.
Good. I can't imagine ANYBODY else as 'Mr. Perfect' except for Curt Hennig
Urban legend
Some guys are so good any gimmick will work. Imagine Vince giving IRS to someone like Kevin Nash. It would have been hilariously bad.
Artwork superb on this one!
We had finally got cable and my Dad paid for the PPV that introduced the Red Rooster.
It was our first exposure to PPVs and we were all pissed.
Did Brian say "chryons" on purpose, to go along with the misspelling gimmick, or did he seruptitiously fuck up? Cracked me up either way hahaha.
Brilliant,Jim,just brilliant synopsis of the topic...Uh Thank you!
Cornette is actually a French word and name. it means a small cone or small corn. Kentucky and all of the Mississippi River was part of New France
The red rooster was a terrible gimmick but Terry Taylor
was nothing special as a performer either. He was a mid-card kind of guy.
But the booking decisions are what really killed it. Taylor was presented initially as an idiot who Bobby Heenan was going to make into a star. So he could not be a full heel in the character but at the same time he wasn't a babyface either. He was just literally presented as a loser. Then Heenan turned on him.
Then what do they do? They put him in a feud with jobber Steve Lombardi. Nobody was going to get that program over. Even if Taylor had been a better performer, he wasn't going to get over as a new babyface beating a well-known job guy. Then was into a losing program with Curt Hennig. Then he was turned into a jobber to the stars and essentially discarded.
I still think the gimmick and the booking were designed to bury him. That he got someone mad at him who was important who made sure he was booked in a way that would quickly kill him off to justify getting rid of him. Chicken Gimmick, presented as Heenan's "loser" project wrestler, given a program with Steve Lombardi and then declared a failure. And based on how he talks about the whole thing, Bruce Pritchard was probably involved.
One thing I've always wondered about is if the whole angle with Terry Taylor was originally supposed to be done with Prichard as the manager (as Bobby Heenan Junior). The whole angle seems so minor league to involve Heenan in. But it seems like the perfect angle that they would have used to launch Bobby Heenan Junior.
Find Terry Taylor v Ric Flair or Taylor v Nikita for TV title unification ..Terry Taylor was better than many during his peak years.
Agree 💯
It was a stupid gimmick, but TBH I don't know that it's any stupider than several mid card WWE gimmicks that did have some success.
Taylor,in 1985, along with Kerry Von Erich and Magnum T.A. was one of the young lions that were pegged by the NWA as a possible successor to Flair. He was a former North American champion,National champion,Southern champion,World Jr. Heavyweight champ along with many more regional titles. This mid card narrative was only due to the fact that he was buried by Vince and rubbed Dusty the wrong way when he was competing for Crockett.
"You're welcome" Perry Saturn got over despite it being a punishment for Saturn flipping on Mike Bell
Saturn and his mop. That was good shit
The mountie was a terrible gimmick that Jacques Rougeau made work .
The Rogeau Brothers and The Quebeckers certainly fell short somewhere. #JustSaying
I loved the mountie . "Always gets his man , Bossman !!!"
Let’s not get crazy. When they put the I.C. championship on him in 1991,the sport was in a down period. Putting a prestigious title on a tag team wrestler with a stupid gimmick lowered the prestige of the title. It had just recovered from the damage of putting it on the HTM when they put it on him. The guy had “go away” heat.
@@philipclarke9696 HTM was one of the top heels in the company at that time. Idk what you're talking about .
@@MrJjburgess11 so long ago so I gotta ask who htm is
I remember growing up watching the Red Rooster and wondering why this guy clucked like a chicken BUT (as a child) loved to hear his music on Saturday Nights Main Event, lol
Elton Cornette is something I never knew I needed
You need it huh
Rock it, man!
Elton Jim.
I can see Jim putting Elton John on the record player and enjoying Bennie and the Jets to take his mind off of AEW
"The people didn't come to see just Jim Cornette they pay to see Elton-Jim!"
Love it.
The Goon is the one that is the best example of what Corny is talking about. Bill Irwin had been working a cowboy gimmick on the indies as "Wild" Bill Irwin for over a decade before the then WWF signed him, and was a great worker. They could have brought him in exactly the way he was, and he would've been an upper mid-card guy immediately. Instead, they gave him a stupid gimmick, and he didn't even make it six months. What a waste.
The long riders were a great team.
Sorry if this is patronising. I agree and have long thought this too. Unfortunately Vince (generally) and his people at that time (Patterson, Watts, Jerry Jarrett - who i believe were running the place as Vince was in court, although Vince said he'd run the WWF from behind bars if he had too) will change a long established wrestlers name because of copyright and trademark ownership in relation to merch sales, intellectual property, owned likness, ect as it all equals MONEY and revenue.
Agree with you that it's silly that a wrestler can have a long established fan base, identity and body of work that all of a sudden doesn't exist once they go/went to WWF. Look at Ricky Steamboats 2nd WWF run when they only referred to him as "The Dragon" and didn't acknowledge his IC title run, pedigree or notable bouts he had - all of which would have helped put him AND his opponents over whilst giving them a rub.
Bret once said that Vince treats the boys like prostitutes - you're his favourite one minute, he'll use you, throw you to the side and he'll have a new favourite and you're left there yearning for the attention thats no longer there anymore.
The New Day took a quite potentially bad gimmick and turned it into something that worked.
Earned Vince's trust in the process and now look at em. Arguably the greatest trio since the Freebirds. If u aren't willing to bet on yourself, why should Vince?
@@dirtmcgirt8269 which is true. But at the same time, there are some people who are saddled with some real shitty gimmicks, so its almost expected that they'll end up falling flat on their face, even if they sell it to the best of their abilities.
@@PYLrulz1984 Oh I'm not disagreeing. A lot of those dumbass gimmicks mean a guy is DOA. But take Ricochet for example. Can't describe him w/o saying what he looks like or the moves he does. And dude seems content to just keep his head down and keep being him. Vince ain't gonna roll the dice on that.
Too right , I remember seeing the gospel shite promos followed by the "you keep us down because we're black" shite they were destined for jobber faction, when whoo, unicorns, pancakes and wtf 😂 talk about knocking a crap idea out of the park
I'm not sure how much it counts really, since they made it work by basically just abandoning the original bad gimmick in favour of making up their own brand of bizarre comedy. Granted, if you try to describe what the New Day became they sound like the worst gimmick ever on paper (guys who throw pancakes at people and shill ass-themed cereal?) despite how popular it ended up so maybe it does count after all.
It's also a situation where some gimmicks may get a reaction if done well and may even get a few people who "like" it but there's still a ceiling. The Gobbledy Gooker had a gimmick some people may find "fun" but it was simply impossible for it to get "over". The Gobbledy Gooker by design could never have fans care about them the way they cared about a Hulk Hogan.
True, but by the same token, the Gobbledy Gooker wasn't ever intended to get over like Hogan. By all accounts, the original idea was that he would have been something of a mascot for the company at live shows etc.
Gimmicks like the Red Rooster were stupid, but IMHO it wasn't any stupider than some other midcard WWE gimmicks that did find some success.
@@timf7413 That's true. I always hated Santino, but I remember people cheering for him like crazy to beat Daniel Bryan in the Elimination Chamber.
@@RagingCookie127 Santino was a goof, but I won't say I never chuckled at the cobra.
Hector Guerrero was BOTH Lazor Tron in NWA JCP and The Gobbledygooker in WWE.🤔B.W.
Nonsense I really wanted to see the Gobbledygooker vs. Dr. Isaac Yankem at MSG. It's a license to print money.
The Hurricane immediately comes to mind.
The Hurricane was a great gimmick. I always loved it. IMO it took Gregory Shane Helms further, than he could make it in the WWE with his real persona. As Helms he was cruiserweight champ, as Hurricane he beat the Rock.
Jared D'Voiles Hurricane was over. It was right on the cusp of the comic book renaissance in American film. Hell Rock even put him over. I think Shane Helms was another guy who Vince couldn’t get behind because of his size.
I liked the Hurricane....
Good, funny gimmick that actually worked.
Corny looks like Elton john in thumbnail xD
😂😂😂
Not saying it would have worked but if the Red Rooster was a cocky heel, I think it would have worked better(ie could be a heat magnet)
The Berserker was a great gimmick. Hussssss!!! Hussssss!!!
No
The funniest was Gorilla Monsoon calling one of his matches and saying “ this guy gotta lot of problems!” 😂
My great grandfather changed Workes to Works because he hated his dad lmao
The Goon , Skinner, Outback Jack were all terrible gimmicks. The Goon (Wild Bill Irwin) and Skinner (Steve Keirn ) were very good workers but the gimmicks were hella terrible .
I loved skinner as a mid card heel jobber lol
Skinner got an old-school Hasbro action figure, at least 👍
Patrick Doran yep I have one brand new still in the hanger package.
Red rooster kicked ass when i was 10 and he will until i die!
A lot of people take the modern view of the biz, and retrofit it to what constitutes 'over'. There weren't umpteen titles to swap among the talent bi-weekly. Plenty of people got over without a belt (Orndorff, Roberts).
When it was going south, they should of had a storyline where an evil hypnotist hypnotized Red Rooster months prior and now they were gonna fight... like The Genuis's brother.
Bruce claims that the clucking and all the goofy stuff was Terry's idea, not taking it seriously. Whether that's true or not is anyone's guess. What they should have done was made him like Mr. Perfect.
Jason Voorhees listens to the Drive Thru?
So does clorox bleach
Taylor was buried on purpose. He wasn't a big man like Hogan, that Vince liked, and Vince wanted to make sure he'd never be marketable ever again.
Well, when your gimmick is poultry....the writing is on the wall
@@BSultimate 😂🤣
Terry Taylor was a racist so Vince should have loved that.
I aways thought it was a gimmick to burry Ric Flair. (and sacrificing another wrestler at the same time)
@@BSultimate has the same birthday as hogan coincidentally
In Terry’s defense he didn’t have a lot of options at the time. Mid-South was gone like most of the territories. He burned his bridges with Crockett after the Dusty impression. He went to World Class after Dusty fired him and almost starved to death. He was probably grateful for the job even though it killed his career.
Terry made up for by training a guy by the name of Paul Leveque. I wonder how he has done?
Mark A. Graff aka Snakebite nation he didn’t train HHH Killer Kowalski did but they did become friendly in WCW which Terry has used to his advantage at times.
Triple HHH got additional training from Terry Taylor at the Power Plant. Killer started him off with Ted Arcidi coaching Triple HHH in the weight room.
Considering that eight zillion people over the years have impersonated Dusty's legendary voice and mannerisms there had to be something way more profound to Dusty Rhodes dismissing Terry Taylor over an act of mimicry.B.W.
Berry Waller apparently Terry’s cocky attitude and the fact that he was seen as a “Mid-South” guy not a Crockett/Dusty guy started the heat. I think the impersonation was just the final straw. He did it in the locker room and Dusty secretly had the intercom on and heard the whole thing.
With really bad gimmicks my question to whoever came up with them is "Do you like this gimmick? If a different promotion had this gimmick first would you tune in to watch it or buy a ticket to see it live?" You get the vibe creative is trying to guess what other people would like and failing miserably. I doubt Jim Herd wanted to see hunchbacks, he just didn't know wrestling and was trying to think of something he thought the audience might want to see and came up with something really stupid because he doesn't understand the audience. If you're just guessing and throwing out whatever shit pops into your head and hoping it will stick then you don't understand wrestling and shouldn't be involved in creative. Vince McMahon is an exception though in that he appears to give people bad gimmicks for his own amusement. So he's just extremely immature and willing to piss money down the drain and waste a talented wrestler for something he finds funny for a few minutes.
One aspect that seems to get lost when creating gimmicks is that the gimmick has to be something tough and intimidating. The Big Boss Man is a former prison guard - you can assume that he's had to fight prisoners and thus his experience as a prison guard would give him an edge in wrestling. TL Hopper is a plumber. How does being a plumber give you any advantage in wrestling? It's just a job the guy has. The only way the Red Rooster could get over is if his clucking was explained as caused by insanity and the guy is an unpredictable lunatic. His insanity could perhaps make him dangerous and thus give him an edge in wrestling.
As soon as I heard the guys question I thought of the Ding Dongs!
Horrible Gimmicks......Red Rooster, the job gimmicks, Spirit Squad, Rad Radford, and others of the sorts.
Great gimmicks- Mankind, Golddust, The Hitman, The World’s Most Dangerous Man, even Dean Malenko’s Ice Man and Raven’s gimmick were fantastic.
The late great Louie "Rad Radford" Spicoli was known in either AAA or Promo Azteca very early on as "Madonna's Boyfriend."B.W.
The Viking Raiders ruined War Machine.
I loved the Red Rooster as a kid. I guess I was his only fan lol
Who was responsible for the train wreck of a gimmick Prince Kharis???
If i remember right the Red Rooster was meant to be a bad gimick to prove Bobbi Henan could take anyone from a nobody to a somebody
Red rooster looks so much like luger i wonder what would happen if luger played him
Terry Taylor was at his best in the York Foundation!!!
He was a heel then but I actually liked him in the York Foundation. He would come out in a suit if he wasn't wrestling and had a ponytail.
Great talent overcoming a bad gimmick: Dusty Rhodes as The Polka-Dot Man.
That was more of a overcoming a bad ring gear/costume thing, he was still Dusty Rhodes.
As a kid in Los Angeles who never heard of the NWA and Dusty, I loved the polka dots. The polka dots got Dusty over with kids.
Yeah but he was still billed as "the American dream". Howard Finkel didnt announce him "as the poka dot man", dropped the dusty rhodes and have him not allowed to dance n jive
More like The Rock as young Pacific Islander babyface.
Helps when you have an awesome 30 year body of work and not named after a farm yard animal
Mizdow is a great example. He was over for like 6 months
Ahahahaha jim as elton john ahahaahhaa
I love to hear 'Corny' curse. LOL[:D]
Sometimes the gimmick isn't right for the product.
Or the time.
I liked the red roaster!
Originally he was the Red Rooster, because he was cocky and had an attitude. The clucking and whatnot didn't happen until he split from Bobby Heenan.
The fact that Pritchard defends the red rooster shows you why wwe is so bad with muppets like that
Red rooster was great but Vince didn't give it chance
I thought Nikki ASH was popular.If they'd just really pushed her as champion she'd still be hugely popular.But no,had to job her out to Flair at SummerSlam 2021,big surprise.
Wonders what more there is to say about the RR gimmick.
I’ve often wondered if Vince didn’t sometimes purposely bury some talent. If he was to decide they aren’t up to WWE level, why not also render them damaged to other promotions? Just a thought.
Yes he does.
Bruce sarcastically defends The Red Rooster. He never seriously defended that gimmick... 🙄
I’m convinced Papa Shango could have worked if Godfather really tried and was a better worker in the ring
Terry Taylor was amid card elevated by Bill Watts. All the ones mention in comparison are HOF
"The Cock of the Walk," "The Sharpshooter," "The Scorpion Deathlock..."
Barry Horowitz was the man
Hell yeah!!! That's why he was always patting himself on the back.... because he was awesome.
Goldust, Doink, Hurricane . All silly gimmicks that the performers got over.
I thought Goldust and Doing were good gimmicks. Hurricane got over cause it was a comedy thing. They would never have pushed him that big
Never really was too bothered by the Red Rooster when it was happening. I don't get the venom towards it.
Fandango is the only person who flipped it & still around. Hell Heath Slater “I got 10 kids” gimmick got over.
He should have handed out chicken tenders and hot wings. That would have got over.
The Ding Dongs were even dumber than the Red Rooster. The Rooster thing would have worked when he was with Heenan because the script had Bobby doing things to humiliate Taylor, it should have been dropped once he did his face turn and dumped Heenan as his Manager.
Mr. Cornett,i apologize for mispelling your name for all these years.🤠
And i liked the rooster!
I haven't seen anyone mention the Shockmaster. That's the worst gimmick I ever saw.
Max Moon.
Red Rooster was a terrible gimmick along with Bastion Booger.. But I have say TL Hopper was the worst
Don't forget Glacier or the Mummy.
The Red Rooster was over though. His gimmick was stupid but he still got cheered
At the same time Terry Taylor was turned into a chicken, One Man Gang was turned into a white African, Koko Ware was turned into a parrot, and Greg Valentine turned into a Roy Orbison impersonator.
Just shows you how ridiculous Vinces ideas were
Right?
I don't know, having a great coach can help even the worst of players. I think it's just a case by case kind of deal.
Rooster had burned his bridges with Dusty, and he wasn’t going to get the money at AWA or Memphis or Dallas that he got with WWF. So Taylor has to wear the suit. And hey, Taylor’s still employed in wrestling.
Shyttye. I would have taken myself to Japan if I was him before I'd had done that stupid Red Rooster gimmick. He would have been paid more
Gregory Levi I don’t think Taylor ever worked Japan, and knowing what we know about him, he would have said something off-color about the Japanese and got thrown off the tour within a week.
Hey Gawd Dam’ Where’s MachoMan’ oooo! grandpa Lawd Rest his Soul ‘ Would kick -Ass😝😝😝
Retribution is the spirit squad gimmick of today
If The Red Rooster was meant to appeal to anyone, maybe preschoolers would find that appealing.
I watched wwe as a kid on Saturday morning but nwa/wcw as a kid was way better then wwe by far......
There no coming back From the red rooster. A career ender.
8:37 "No, cuz it was fucking stupid."
I wonder what Jim's thoughts are on the idea of a meta-gimmick. Like, instead of someone being a "wrestling cowboy" (as there have been many), they openly state in-character that they just think cowboys are badass, so they're adopting some of that for their entrance and gear. Doesn't have to break kayfabe, I mean they'd still play everything else straight, they're just not pretending they actually ARE their gimmick, just that it's something they think is cool and will help them stand out. I think that would be a good way to get some of the more outlandish ideas over, like if instead of believing he WAS a pirate, what if Paul Burchill just said, "some of my ancestors were pirates, so I'm paying tribute to their legacy by mixing it into my approach in the ring." It might have gotten over better.
I mean, he already talked about how when there was a wrestling "mummy," commentators played it that the manager was CLAIMING it was a mummy, but that it was still a big, threatening figure either way, so I don't think my idea is too far from that...
Cornette probably comes from the French that used to be in the south during colonial times.
Call me crazy but I liked the Red Rooster gimmick when I was a KID LOL! Terry Taylor doing a ridiculous ass head bop as he walked to the ring. That was as dumb as how I now look back at Brutus Beefcake was .