MUU DID NOT BEAT THE ALLEGATIONS LMAO - Theory/Analysis || MILGRAM 2nd Trial
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 25. 01. 2023
- Muu really started to feel a bit too comfy in Milgramđđ€ I still haven't listened to her 2nd Voice Drama yet so I'm gonna do that now and then add things in the comment section idk
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Music in order:
BGMP NEWS by bgm president
New Year by zukisuzuki
Student by zukisuzuki
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Tags: #MILGRAM #ăă«ă°ă©ă #DECO27 #TakuyaYamanaka #HarukaSakurai #YunoKashiki #FutaKajiyama #MuKusunoki #ShidouKirisaki #MahiruShiina #KazuiMukuhara #Muu #Theory #Analysis #Reacting #Reaction MILGĐŻAM
average phg W tbh
Ngl love her for that đ
Such a queen
They call her rei now lol
Did you know that usually in bee colonies if the hive thinks that the Queen isn't doing her job they'll raise a new queen. However the old Queen tries to destroy or even kill the bee being raised as its replacement
well phg disgusted at them, so i dont think she was the "new queen". i dont think there is any new queen since it didnt even implicated in mvs
Not me researching about ants after this MV đ I excepted them to be bees in the MV but ants?? What about the honey?
And yeah!! I see the similarities..
@@circe8777 Phg didn't become the new queen but Muu saw her as the new queen even if Phg has nothing to do with the exfriends..
No one else saw Phg as the new queen except for Muu so that's why she "loved" and killed her to regain the position
Well that's the theory-
It also funny that Mu is French and seen as a monarch. If French monarchs are popular for one thing it getting overturned by thier "subjects"
I think the last part was symbolising a typical bee colony. The queen bee (muu) will often kill the "new" queen (phg) in its egg (the weird thing in the middle of the dome) because the hive (the friend group) can only ever have one queen. sry for any spelling mistakes or grammatical errors :D
Muu should be forgiven shes so scrunkly
I feel like Mu is the reverse of Futa's situation in that she's a cowardly behind-the-scenes person even though she has power/control. Meanwhile, Futa has no power/control but is very upfront about his actions DESPITE acting like a cowardly/denying chihuahua on first impression.
It's even more interesting that their verdicts have completely reversed from the First Trial.
all the pairs of odd numbereds and even numbereds symbolize something
haruka + yuno, kid left behind by parents + parent that left her future kids behind
fuuta + muu, as you described. mean front for his cowardly true self + cowardly front for her mean true self
shidou + mahiru, lover that killed to save his love + lover that indirectly killed her love
kazui + amane, breaks his promises left and right + keeps all her promises no matter what the cost
the only pair left to decipher is mikoto + kotoko.
we already know kotoko's ideals, so i have a theory...
mikoto + kotoko, the stalked paranoid boy + the stalker girl fighting for her idea of justice
â@@blanklily25I'd argue that Shidou's and Mahiru's theme is more of a s-word of a loved one either caused by love bombing/excess of senseless love from her and caused by a complete lack of/fake love from him.
I really like your theory on Muuâs feelings toward PHG! People usually assume they were previously friends based on the âI love youâ line, but this MV doesnât provide any support for that. Itâs really interesting to me that PHGâs facial features are shown from the beginning but the features of Muuâs âfriendsâ arenât, possibly implying that Muu liked PHG the most from the start? Maybe she really did have a crush on her, but I guess it doesnât matter if her feelings were romantic or platonic.
I think Muu was planning to take her own life in front of PHG, but instead turned on PHG in the heat of the moment and stabbed her instead.
Evidence for this:
- At 4:27 you can see one of Muuâs shoes is off. I donât think this detail was shown in After Pain so itâs probably significant. I donât know much about this subject, but in Japan people often take off their shoes before jumping off of a building, so it may be a hint that she intended to kill herself.
- Why bring a box cutter to the confrontation? I donât think Muuâs murder was premeditated, in After Pain it really seems like she did it in a burst of anger, she looks terrified of what sheâs done immediately after, repeating âMy sorry spells must be wearing offâ. So I think she brought the boxcutter with the intention to use it on herself.
- Muu has a line in After Pain like âcounterattack being a sui/cide noteâ, she definitely saw taking her own life as a way to escape her situation and make the others regret what theyâd done.
Thanks a lot!! And PHG is the only victim in Milgram we have officially seen the face of! I never thought about that but it is kind of weird that she is the only one.. Maybe Muu and PHG did have a deeper connection? Who knows..
And I haven't noticed these details! I thought the missing shoe didn't mean anything / she lost it when she ran to PHG. I do think that might be an important detail! What if Muu didn't meet PHG when she was lying on the floor (in After Pain)? Would she have taken her own life with the box cutter?
Your theory is quite interesting ^^
Ooooo actually this is a good theory! I need to rewatch after pain some more now.
@@kindnapkin thank you! I think we did see the face of one of Kotokoâs victims in her MV, but he wasnât emphasized as much as PHG (side note: we just found out through the interrogation questions on Twitter that her name is Rei)
APPARENTLY one of Shidou's victims is also called Rei???? HELPPPP??
@@kindnapkin achsually guys um shidou and muu killed the same person cuz shidou shot phg!!!1!!1!1!/j
Ngl this theory reminds me of âA Silent Voiceâ specifically where the protagonist Shoya gets thrown under the bus by his friends for bullying Shoko after he took the bullying too far. So Muu must have done something for her friends to turn on her.
True!! Now I really want to watch the movie again đ¶
Fun Fact: The Milgram Experiment is an actual real social experiment in 1964. Where there was the "experimenter", who was in charge of the session, The "teacher" (or warden in our case), a volunteer for a single session. The "teachers" were led to believe that they were merely assisting, whereas they were actually the subjects of the experiment and the "learner", an actor and confederate of the experimenter, who pretended to be a volunteer.
I do not think the prisoners are actors, but the experimenter thing can still be possible and we (the warden) are the "teacher".
The feeling is the same as a participant that said:
"While I was a subject in 1964, though I believed that I was hurting someone, I was totally unaware of why I was doing so. Few people ever realize when they are acting according to their own beliefs and when they are meekly submitting to authority ... To permit myself to be drafted with the understanding that I am submitting to authority's demand to do something very wrong would make me frightened of myself."
ive been thinking about this a lot.
I'd say jackalope is the experimenter, es is the teacher, and all 10 prisoners are the learners. Those voted innocent were in the clear, while the guilty faced punishment (and kotoko beating them up).
If milgram follows the actual experiment, it implies the punishments get worse. It also implies something else about this whole thing.
In the original experiment, the experimenter demands that the teacher gives out the electric shocks to the learner when they get a question wrong, with each shock being more painful. The teacher, most of the time, complies without much thinking. This basically relates to how we are the teacher, being asked to decide whether the prisoners are to be voted innocent or guilty based on what we learn about them. We don't take into consideration what happens if we don't vote at all. We are asked to vote, and we do.
It's so fascinating, seeing others go through this experiment in real time. Even better when we can see their reasoning too. I wonder how milgram will turn out in the future, and if there will ever be a case where the voting is a perfect tie, or if nobody voted at all. How would jackalope react and what would that mean for us?
sorry for ranting i just wanted to get this off my mind lol
Though I found out about Milgram after the first trial and before the second trial began, I felt like Muu would've been voted guilty, to begin with, and one thing I hate was the fact that some people voted her not guilty because it was implied that she liked girls (which, no? Just because you like someone who's the same gender does not mean your free from anything). Now that I saw her acting all bratty (like she did in the first trial) I was a bit surprised, but at the same time, not really.
If she starts to apologize in the 3rd trial, then I don't know what to do about it :/
WAIT WAIT WAITT!! HEAR ME OUT! What iffff phg was "drenched" because muu threw her body into the river when she died? Cuz if u can see from the first mv, she was killed beside a river
interesting, but doesn't make much sense because that scene takes place before she was murdered and before she turned the hourglass
@@chesoundscape could have been symbolism at play, won't be too farfetched.
Though either that and the drenching water bullying act are plausible.
"After Pain" was the first MILGRAM music video I watched, shortly after Muu's voting ended. I, at first, believed Muu was telling the truth about the bullying situation, but I interpreted the murder as "Muu reached out to PHG for consolation because of what she was facing, but PHG refused to that one moment, do Muu kills her." Ever since the beginning, I always thought Muu was guilty, as I found it baffling that someone would kill someone who just didn't comfort you one time over all of the bullies that tormented them that were right there, and I sympathised with PHG.
I must say, I didn't expect Muu to have actually been the bully this entire time, but I'm really happy she was voted guilty either way. PHG justice.
I know it's a bit odd to comment on a video that's almost a year old, but I thought it would be interesting to give my thoughts on Muu's trials!
Doesn't matter how old the video is!! Feel free to comment your opinions and all!! I'm always happy and interested to read them :'DD
Actually, Mu didnât throw water on PHG. It was Muâs friends since mu said she didnât punch anyone or throw water on them.
Thanks for letting me know!! I thought it was only Muu because we didn't see any of her exfriends in the classroom or any implications that they participated. Hopefully 3rd Trial will show usthe whole picture and the pov of the victim..
@@kindnapkin Muu can only show the past when we her vote innocent. In 2nd trial, Haruka, Yuno and Muu show their past while Fuuta show what happening to him at the moment. Since Muu's past is interesting, i think this is the only reason to vote Muu innocent. Well...im gonna vote PHG innocent đ€
@@Litchi_is_bored yuno's kinda shows how shes feeling rn tho in my opinion
@@backdraftcel but somehow the past, so we can confirm that she actually baby girl/sugar baby
Yeah especially since the end shot of Ap only shows her putting flowers on the desk and writing stuff on the blackboard
Personally, I do not forgive her at all and never did since 1st Trial. I already had the theory that Muu was a bully first but I actually didn't think it was THIS bad đ
I'm gonna voyez her guilty because she either doesn't understand the Wright of her actions or is willfully participating in manipulating ithere as can be seen with Haruka
@@cressmoon340 truee! I still haven't listened to her new voice drama but I heard some stuff and wow..
A deatail to keep in mind, Mu's new intierview say's that she only does verbal bullying so it would be confusing if PHG would only have a grudge against Mu and not the physically abusive girls who actually bullyed her badly. So PHG might have had a personal expierance with Mu or encounter that made her specifically dislike her or the other girls betrayed Mu when the PHG snitched on them.
Same, I was disappointed when she was voted innocent in the 1st Trial
@@bingus702 I don't know, from all the visual cues and bee symbolism, it seems obvious to me that Mu didn't personally dirty her own hands, but expected her "accomplices" to do it instead while she watched. It's easy for her to try to shift the blame now, but imo she was the main initiator. Ergo, the whole queen bee motif. In such case, it's pretty understandable to me why the bullying victim would despise her the most of them all.
Bullying is a topic that really triggers me so I also felt sorry for Muu during 1st trial
But man this 2nd trial made me take all that back in a heartbeat.
So yeah Guilty for me.
I actually love this theory!
I also want to share one that i saw in "It's not my fault"
So basically there's a theory saying that Muu had a "control complex"
As we can see in her Bug form Muu is the tallest like she's superior to the others, but in reality she actually the shortest of her group, in the clip we can also see that she's behind her "friends" and that she also has her hands in her back meaning that she's not the one to directly do the bullying since she would most probably be in front of her "friends" and be the one hitting the person they bully.
The theory also says that Rei (Phg) misunderstood Muu for the leader (and that the parts with Muu in her bug form is her imagining her as the leader), and that Muu herself started to believe it since her friends gave her "Honey" (Attention) and most probably used her since she was rich (Rei's perspective could've also made her think she was taking the initiative for the bullying)
Now for AP, we can see that Rei changed to her outdoor shoes and that Muu wouldn't have had the time since she directly ran after Rei, THIS IS IMPORTANT, In It's not my fault we can see that one of Muu's shoes isn't on her feet which is weird right ? Well it's supposed that Muu tripped because she still had her Indoor shoes, but then why did she have the "cutter" ? (Idk if it's how it's called in english so i'll just say it in french) well it's pretty obvious that Muu was suicidal since it's said "Counterattack is a suicide note" and there are also drawings on the board with "murder or suicide" (i think) MEANING that Muu was going to kill herself but tripped and accidentally killed Rei, also Bug Muu hatches AFTER she "Murdered" Rei and from the honey she accumulated.
Also it's speculation ig but Muu and Rei might've been close friends and the reason why Rei would get bullied is because she stood up for the people that got bullied meaning the line "I've told you what's gonna happen" would be directly aimed at Rei since she would then be bullied like, soaked in water, the flower etc..
Anyways let me think what you think of this theory (Which is not mine as i said) :D.
I RLLY WANT TO KBOW WHAT TYE SHOE MEANS BECAUSE ITS ALSO OFF IN THE OFFICIAL THIRD ANIVIERSERY ART
I voted her guilty but you know, I still love her somehow
Some opinions from me:
1) The writing on the broad could also have a high chance of Mu friends being the main writers (just like how it is to Mu when she was bullied in AP).
2) In the newest voice drama, Mu mention she didn't hit someone in the head or pour water on someone's head. If this statement is true then maybe Mu friends are the ones who bullied PHG the most. If that is falses than yes, Mu is the one who mainly bully PHG.
3) I think the reason why Mu is later bullied is because the group was tired of Mu and her personality as a spoiled, drama queen(?) rich kid so they left and maybe start bully Mu to show the other classmates that they also hate Mu like them.
Also I think she was outted as the bully to a teacher. Being a bully in japan is frowned upon and you have to not get caught or it ruins your reputation. So thats probably the main reason why she is being bullied now.
I think she might have tried to kill herself in front of her, but tripped and accidentally stabbed her. (phg has a canon name btw)
Because of the focus on the shoe in the new mv and how surprised she looks
wait⊠trip? how would she trip? usually, when someone is trying to stab themselves, they wouldnât move their legs or smth, so how would she trip? (not a hate comment btw)
Basically when someone's threatening to kill themselves you want to de-escalate and get them away from the weapon. This could cause the suicidal person to panic or back away from you as they don't want the power to kill themselves to be taken from them. In this case it'd be Phg trying to talk Muu down. Though one would think that if she was stepping back, she'd fall backwards nor would Phg be close enough. In that case I propose that Phg talked Muu down. Muu goes to give the weapon to Phg, trips and stabs her on accident.
@@TheEvilLordExdeathno, muu isnt suicidal, she intentionally killed rei (who is known as phg in the video) to make things better. also, multiple times have i read that muu did it intentionally. to back it up, rei looked at muu is disdain when she apologized, so i doubt she would even stop muu after the progress she made of ruining her role as the queen bee
@@TheEvilLordExdeath i would also like to mention that muu trying to kill herself was never mentioned in any way in milgram
this was a very clear analysis of Muuâs 2nd trial MV! I didnât get what the end meant with them in the classroom, so this was nice. So it seems like PHG transferred at the start of the year, Muuâs actions got called out by her, then Muu gets bullied and breaks down. Iâm guessing that after sheâs (most likely) voted guilty, sheâll go back to thinking like in After Pain. If she actually accepts her guilt and actions in trial 3, then Iâll vote innocent.
Thanksss! And you are right, she will probably become her after pain/first trial self again after this verdict,,,
I think she might come back to her old self or maybe become worse since she has Haruka's support now. Anyway, if we forgive her in the 3rd trial she might change her attitude once again and go back to being the queen of the school bullying everyone, so I wouldn't forgive her anyway
I believe the last scene could be representing both a metamorphosis of some sort (? not really sure about this one at the moment) as well as referring to the hourglass theme that we see a lot of times in her trials. Of course, whoever flips the hourglass "turns the tables" in a way, so that everyone turns on them, as phg (her name was confirmed to be Rei by the way!) flipped the hourglass, and all the bullies turned on Mu. the person at the bottom of the hourglass is the victim of the situation, as seen in the first trial MV where Mu is being bogged down by the sand coming from above, representing the bullying she was getting. In this final scene however, as Mu is transforming, we see red particles float up, and later she flies out of a broken hourglass and we see that the camera was flipped upside down. Seeing this, we know that Mu flipped the hourglass one final time. However, Mu didn't flip the hourglass from the outside and letting others hurt the victim as a result...she WAS the one who hurt the victim. She was inside the entire time. Also, instead of the sand being green, it was instead red, showing how Mu caused fatal wounds to Rei, something completely different and far worse to what Mu experienced.
ok sorry if this ran on too long but she definitely deserves the guilty vote (sorry not sorry haruka đ«Ą)
OHHH!! I love your idea of the hourglass and the red sand/particles! It actually makes so much sense and the connection is rlly clear.
Nah i actually vote to forgive even if it's in the air.
Just a personnal feeling i couldn't describe
Yeah same. Its too suspicious to me how the 1st and 2nd MVs are trying to convey the exact opposite tone
nice theory, only a thing: at 2:22 you say that is directly Mu to do the bad things to phg, but from the dialogue with es we know that Mu has never done physical bullism, it's more like the ones who wants to be notice by Mu (the &co ahah) do the thing and Mu only watch the scene, she doesn't intervene bc she thinks it's boring, she doesn't care about things from wich she can't gain something, i like to see it this way.
Mu is my fav character but some time is really hard to defend her đ„Č, i can't overcome the +80% guilty but i have hope for the part 3
Yeah, when I made this video I haven't listened to the latest voice drama so I didn't know that at all :')) But it still bothers me that Muu was the only one in the classroom??,, I hope in 3rd Trial everything will be resolved ^^ And yeah I can imagine how hard it is to defend Muu haha Especially after the interrogation cards we see on twt. She really is not holding back
@@kindnapkin yes she's convinced to be in the right but after this vote something will change for sure (in a positive way i hope)
She's still innocent in my heartđđ/j
I know. People are voting her guilty like God can't women do anythingđ
@@realbadwordhours6235 frrđđđ
â@@realbadwordhours6235womens wrongs be like
muu is so innocent girly pop queen
omg I've been trying to find someone that analyzes these Milgram videos, very helpful thank you
Glad it was helpful!! ^^
What I think is intresting but nobody talks about, green the color that represents mu symbolises jealousy.
I thought it was yellow wait whatttt
I legit recently got into the series and the fact that people shifted from sympathizing with her to absolutely hating her is what I call comedy.
Comments from: "I totally get how she feels, bullying sucks! 100% forgiven" to "This woman is horrible and doesn't care for anyone 100% unforgiven."
I vote unforgiven for Muu due to how cocky she is with this. She acts like since we said that we forgive her what did was absolutely great and amazing and she is 100% in the right yass queen.
She isn't even remorseful!? Like I'm sorry Haruka but no way in my right mind will I forgive Muu after that. That fact that this song is just "I didn't mean to do *blinks rapidly*" is amazing. Good job Deco*27.
FRRR IT WAS SO FUNNY AND RANDOM
I actually excepted the votes to be 50/50 because of her fans but noo everyone turned against her just like her exfriends.
I knew from the beginning that there was more about her than just being a victim. Predicted it just like on my other Milgram video but I originally thought phg was also part of the old friend group. Well at least I was right about something.
And yeah! Props to Deco*27, Takuya Yamanaka and everyone else working on Milgram!! It always gets better and better.
@@kindnapkin makes me think Milgram might be replicating the circumstances for their murders⊠thatâs terrifying if we just walked in a trap like that
it really was a comedy show, i mean there was a photo of her being friends with those bullies, how do you take her side so fast? doesn't hurt to be a little suspicious.
but i mean, i guess they could've believed that those bullies only became bullies because of muu, but even that doesn't feel like a solid argument.
guess we all know now
I am new to this thing
And i imidietly thought how it was suspicous that the person she killed in her first song wasnt 1 of the people bullying her(atleast not shown to be) so i always(always being yasterday and today) thought something was wrong
Honestly I feel like there is more to this. I mean look at Futa, he looked totally guilty before, but trial 2 comes around and reveals more. Muu has even stated that she was indeed wronged and should have chosen her friends better. Something else is at work
NOW WE HAVE OFFICIAL NAME FOR PHG!! IT'S REI â€ïž
Also, don't worry.... we can vote ma boi mikoto more guilty like... how about 100% â
Help my dream come true
FUUTA AND YUNO AFTER DESTROYING THE APP>>>
lowkey my guess was that phg USED to be Muu's friend, but ended up getting tf away from Muu once she began to develop her god complex
Wow ty!
I was listening to this song it became one of my favourites!
I was searching for an example for the story tell i found u, makes sense!
mu's victim has a name now btw!!!! its rei
So Muu is a girl who thought she was the queen, she uses people and sees them as objects because she always got everything she wanted from everyone, she led to bullying, she encountered a girl who left a lasting impression on her, that girl started hating Muu because of her work ethics, she led to that girl getting bullied, that got the girl furious, that girl ruined her reputation, everyone turned back on Muu, Muu was super worried about what was gonna happen and admitted it was kinda her fault but not too much because admitting it hurts her ego, eventually she begs for forgiveness to that girl, that girl declines, Muu snaps, Muu kills the girl out of rage, Muu gets scared about the whole shabang, Muu wonders if she's a bad girl and realizes that maybe she went a bit overboard, she gets sent to MILGRAM, she's fucking scared, she's trying to convince herself that she has done nothing wrong but she's not very convinced, she tries to convince Es about it by using her good old manipulation tactics, we fell for it, we forgave her, and now she keeps saying we are right and that she has done nothing wrong to convince herself, which turned her back to the mindset she had before getting bullied, the one that was inforced by her parents treating her like a queen, she tries to convince us to keep that same opinion about her because deep down she knows she has done something wrong, she's just holding on to the "what if" and can't handle to hold herself accountable NO MATTER WHAT because she's a little queen who could never do wrong. Perhaps she even feels bad not because she's a good person who understands how horrible murder is but because she was kinda fond of that girl and now not only has she killed her but she now permanently ruined her reputation. She's holding on to the aspects of her murder which portray her in a positive light in the VD, but in the songs, we clearly see the truth. The total whiplash of her attitude in her VD vs in INMF is incredible.
(some explaining)
So we know that Muu is a bit in denial about the whole ordeal. In her voice drama, she's saying that she never bullied anyone. I think that Muu never actually bullied anyone directly, but due to her authority with her 3 little bees, her gossip evolved into bullying. Muu doesn't want to understand that because she can't bring herself to blame herself for ANYTHING. But her scheme can't really last long, she can't always say all of the shit she wants and expect people to just forgive her by saying sorry. PHG notices that.
PHG is kinda important to Muu, because she's the only character whose eyes are shown in both the Afterpain and Warukunai Mon mvs. Heck, her drones don't even have eyes, and they supposedly are the closest people to her.
(I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that she's the victim because in Backdraft, All Knowing All Agony, Half, ThrowDown and Harrow, the victims have no eyes. In MILGRAM, eyes are left to people who have important feelings to show, like Haruka's mom and PHG. That means that those characters' emotions, faces and reactions are ingrained into their psyche. Think about when you dream, most things you will see will be blurry. You won't be able to distinguish faces unless you can see them vividly. I feel like that's the same in MILGRAM. You only see the eyes of those who are that vivid in your memory.)
So who is PHG to Muu? She's not really part of the circle, because when she enters the hive, she gets to keep her human appearance. I don't think Muu saw PHG as inferior, ever. Yes, she did bully her, but like she said, Muu only spectated, never bullied. She didn't even have to say a thing in order to get her "friends" to do shit to people. She gossiped, her friends did the shit, she enjoyed the show, she said sorry just to not be held accountable, and she restarted at square 1. PHG had some things going on with the hive. I don't know what she was doing in there in the first place. Does that mean she became friends with Muu? Does that mean she straight up eavesdropped on them? I don't know. All that I know is that Muu may have been mad about that, but the whole group was as well.
In Afterpain, we know that PHG is basically superior to Muu. In order to overthrow the coolest girl in school, you have to do reveal some bad shit. That may have been where the bullying even started, before she could even be called a queen. Then, after doing that, everyone turned to PHG and started bullying Muu. Muu doesn't seem to think it's unfair, though. She always puts a lot of emphasis on PHG in the MV, says that she guess she kinda deserved it and other stuff like that. Don't forget the bridge either. "Let's meet inside the pain" might be referring to how she's experiencing that she made PHG feel in the past. She's not trying hard, but at least she's kind of trying to empathize with PHG, and PHG alone. Out of ALL of her victims, PHG is the only one who left a lasting impression on her, even before she gave Muu a taste of her own medicine.
Personally, that's not the kind of opinion I'd hold about a rival.
In afterpain, the sand was falling on mu, safe to assume she's at the bottom of the hourglass. In INMF, she was the last grain of sand to fall (technically she flew but still), implying that she's on the top. So once that hourglass was flipped by phg, the hierarchies switched
Also i wanna add that the hourglass breaks when phg gets killed, meaning that the hourglass (and the hierarchy) cannot be flipped from that point on. In the second trial video, mu remained at the top, which supports the idea of her feeling confident about her queen role secured
Wow, you claim you aren't good at theories but yours is really interesting and convincing! May I ask what brought you to believe that only Muu was the only one who bullied phg?
In her voice drama, she claims that she never hit or poured water on anyone and Es replies that he'll take note of that. This leads me to believe that Muu considers bullying only as physical violence and that's why she doesn't think she's a bully. We never see her actually using violence (I believe her breaking the bees isn't physical, it's her breaking their status).
However, someone definitely poured water on phg, and if it wasn't Muu, it was probaby one of her friends.
Other than that, I think your theory is very solid and interesting and I enjoyed the video a lot :D Your idea of getting the date using the time of sunset was especially brilliant.
Thanks a lot!!!!! I appreciate it :)!!
So, what made me believe that Muu was the only one who bullied phg/Rei (I will call her Rei now) was Muu being the only one in the classroom and in front of the chalkboard. Muu is always seen with her "friends" in the MV, but suddenly not in the classroom for some reason. It's also possible that Muu lied to Es in the voice drama, but at the same time Muu doesn't really need a reason to lie anymore because she pretty much said everything there is about her story (except for the reason why Rei became their victim and how Rei was able to take revenge..)
It does make more sense that her "friends" did this all to Rei, but Muu being alone in the classroom just bothers me.
Theres also a theory that the murder was accidental. (Still has her indoor shoes on and one shoe fell off) might imply she stumbled and accidentally killed her. Idk why she had the box cutter though, Maybe to threaten Phg if she didnt accept the apology
If they didnât expect the apology she was prob gonna keys herself to make them feel bad
mu is 100% guilty in my mind but im not gonna vote her bc i dont wanna be responsable for anything happening to haruka lol
the only ppl im willing to straight up vote for (and vote inno) atp are yuno and futa bc yuno did nothing wrong and by definition futa is not a murderer (what he did was still wrong tho but he shouldn't be in prison for murder)
This just randomly popped up in my recommendations I have no idea what this is but I'm very interested in it now-
It's an (kinda anime) project called Milgram! There are 10 prisoners who committed directly/indirectly a murder and you decide their fate by voting whether you forgive their sin or not.
You find more about their murders through their songs, voice dramas and interrogation out. A lot of famous people are working on this project like Deco*27, Natsuki Hanae, Aimi and more!
I recommend checking some explanation videos who explain it better than my comment. I might do an explanation video as well but that will take a long time ^^;;
I hope all this information is not too overwhelming and hopefully you enjoy your stay in Milgram ^^
@@kindnapkin Thanks so much for explaining! I binged watched all the MVs and trial summaries. Just finished listening to Fuuta's Second trial interrogation and I'm sobbing, if only Es wasn't a warden and they weren't prisoners they would all be friends T^T.
genuinely confused on why people are trying to figure out the "correct" way. If you feel like its wrong or its "okay" then follow your guts. Our judgements are decided by our ego anyways.
Its sad that Haruka might actually die... but how is that our fault?
Well, since heâs voted guilty, his restraints should keep him from doing anything drastic, considering the ones voted guilty get physical restraints added onto them
@@Cardboard449 suffocation is possible
Muu reminds me of one of those people who likes to paint themselves as the victim after they did something wrong. Like in the first music video she was playing up that she was the victim of bullying and we fully believed that was the case and that she was just someone who happened to get on the wrong side of her bullies.
While in the second music video we see that there was more to the story, her true colors began to show and that she was originally the ring leader of a group of bullies
(I also thought it was really funny how people switched their opinion on her after it came outđ€Ł)
real muu fans vote her guilty
SHES INNOCENT INNOCENT IM TELLING YOU SHE SIBBOCENT OKSOSLSPSKW SHE INOOCENT JST FORGIVE HER SHE LS NOT A BULLY SHES JST SILLLY FORGIVE HER SLINNICENT IBNOCENT SHE SINNOCENT
basically Mean girls if Cady got hit by the bus and the bus driver was Regina George
just realized my comment made it on the thumbnail XD
It's the Muu time one right ? Lmaooo
@@kindnapkin ya lol that was the first thing my tired brain could think of
I don't forgive her because I fell in love with the girl she killed đ
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The thing that makes me vote her guilty is her complete hypocrisy. When Mu retaliated (with murder) she viewed it as something she needed to do to survive and was in the right for. But when PHG retaliated (with exposing something) she was viewed as a monster who put mu in a horrible situation (even though PHG wasn't a direct bully).
She essentially bullied PHG and when PHG fought back she killed her. She bullied someone to death. Granted, mu seems to be completely blind to being a bully, thinking that bullying is only physical.
Her blindness to her villainy is supported by the audio drama as well as the video. But her ignorance does not excuses her crime, so yeah, she's guilty.
There were concerning clues that something was amiss from the beginning but I could have never guessed it was on this level.
Side note: if i'm gonna be real for a second: I think high schoolers being blind to their bullying and/or general toxicity towards others is actually becoming a problem (it already was to a degree) . People will say the most toxic, rude, and unnecessary shit and believe they are totally in the right for it. It's kinda sad to see someone get picked on because the people who do the picking don't realize what they are doing. Even small things can have an affect on someone if it's done frequently enough.
YES!! You are so real for mentioning this. Muu really is a hypocrite.
youre just assuming that thats the truth so you cant rlly base her being a hypocrite off of that imo
Sheâs done bro
i support womenâs rights but i also support womenâs wrongs â€ïžâ€ïžâ€ïž i forgive you queen
Not even becoming a Giant Monster Girl Bug Thing could save her.
-if there's symbolism of her getting swatted or choking on gas reminiscent of pesticide in Trial 3 you all owe me 20 dollars-
Not Mu getting sprayed with Raid đ
Something I have never seen anyone mention anywhere is Muu's lack of remorse for when a friend says "I'll kill myself". Tho she has compassion and support for them.
Makes me think the plot twist could be that PHG asked to die, asked Muu to kill her, as the weirdo she is agreed, and it broke her - resulting in the present mentality.
Tho I can see PHG managed to sabotage the group, make it so that everyone fails to deliver appreciation to their queen, so they get broken, and when there are more broken than loyal ones the bullying turns to Muu.
Just in time for PHG to befriend Muu, and reveal her master plot, lol. Shank.
I think there's something missing tho.
I was so surprised at how fast she switched up on us. But at the same time.. not too surprised.
I knew something was up with Muu, and it just didn't feel right that she was just a pitiful victim that committed a murder out of distress. What's the point of 3 trials if that's all it was? She was once friends with the same people that bullied her, as shown in the photo on her phone. That was enough evidence to believe she wasn't entirely forgivable.
I discovered milgram way after her first trial voting was over, so unfortunately I can't say what I voted. However, I think I would have voted innocent in the end, since there wasn't enough evidence to really stand by that belief (also because i have a shit sense of intuition and confidence). I was also worried to even share that opinion because of how strongly people supported Muu.
Turns out she really was who I guessed she was. The switch up was definitely a shock, but I wasn't too surprised about her overall character. Looks like someone's finally getting that guilty vote this time.
what does this mean in summary? no goddamn clue, just wanted to share my thought process. 3 months late.
I kinda feel like the second trial reflects Muu's original headspace/ideal as the queen. And that the events of After pain take place after It's not my fault. But it's still a crack theory I made while being half asleep at 2 am lol
Ngl I might vote Innocent for 009 just because heâs hot but if he were real Iâd definitely say guilty đ
Personally, I think Muu controls everything, but doesnât get her hands dirty, like an insect queen, which makes her think sheâs innocent
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE MUU AFTER 2ND TRIAL MV???
GUILTYYYYYYYY~
Innocent she doesnât deserve to get executed
@@tsrkfn bffr...
@@stephaniechacon1100 Oh I misunderstood the question, I thought they meant like during trial 3
Yâall Iâm sorry but Iâm gonna vote her innocent just for fun, also because of the fact that if we wanna think about Muuâs songs that are currently out now INMF is first in line then After Pain is second. After Pain kinda shows how Muu truly does feel bad for her bullying or being apart of it while INMF shows how she felt being apart of the friend group and being a bully.
That being said, her bullying trauma(?) is there still so I canât help but vote her innocent. She did say in the lyrics that maybe some of it was her fault in After Pain, mostly because she got bullied after possibly being kicked out the friend group.
phg's name is canonically rei!! (milgram app interrogation question)
Muu is innocent. You might disagree, but let me explain before you roast me.
I don't think Muu was in her right mind when she committed her murder. The bullying she went through drove her to that point. I don't know much about the Japanese law system, but in the US there's this thing called pleading insanity, which I think applies perfectly to Muu.
Now let's talk about the bullying. Muu was a bully, no doubt. She talked a lot of shit. However, I am led to believe that is as far as it went. The girls "breaking" in the second trial video represents how Muu's words ruined them. Words can have a effect on people. I do not believe she ever did anything physical. Now there's the question of the victim doused in water at the end of the second trial video. I believe that to be a reflection of herself. Somehow, some way, though she may not realize it, she sees herself in the girl she killed.
The innocent verdict given in the first trial made her believe that she was right all along. Whereas before, she believed that the way she was treated was warranted and well deserved. It was not. That being said, to say she was never wrong in the first place wouldn't be right either. The only possible reason I would vote her guilty in the second trial is to change her way of thinking.
Muu is innocent, that is my verdict.
This kid needa chill
Phg has already helped u see the light but u refused to accept it thats y she didnt accept the apology
And its like u hold your wgo over everything you would murder to not destroy your ego you camt be fixed
a came up with a theory. a bit different to it. so i decided to see wat others think of this
Tbh I don't think she killed the girl on purpose, tbh I think she deserves to be voted innocent next trial đ€
its not my fault was a red flag from the start imo. like why are you makeing yourself the victim when your in a MURDER PRISON đđđ
In 4:29, that larvae thing coming out of Muu, I don't really know how to explain, but I guess that scene means that she's reborned as a queen again since she finally killed phg (larvae also means rebirth or transformation, just like how caterpillars turn into butterflies yk) As you may know, Muu felt defeated or something like that when phg exposed her, so she murdered her, and finally felt like she got her role as the queen once again.
Waiting for the opposite to happen to Amane, yâall will regret voting her not forgiven ong
im confused what did mikoto do in the first trial?
«ŃĐ°Ń ŃĐŒŃŃ» Đ„ĐĐ„ĐĐĐ„
what i would do if i was muu is get mikoto to beat es half to death as a favor
so true
Muâs apology was probably something like âplease let me be queen again! let me have my friends back i deserve itâ something spoiled like that instead of some pityful beg for her life that everyone originally thought (BUT I STILL STAN HER)
how do we see the votes/ where do we vote
milgram.jp/
@@kindnapkin thanks
this theory feels like you have alr decideed that muu is guilty and are theorising based on that so everything will obv point towards her being a bad person lol. at least Try looking thru a neutral lens
I thought fence girl was phg
Yeah, I thought the same but they don't really look that much alike and it makes sense that phg was behind them when they turned around. ^^
well i think your perspective is very sided cause you hate her. its true that muu sees herself as the queen bee and maybe she was a queen bee at one point but from her body language and how her "friends" used her in first mv we can make the assumption she actually didnt had a huge impact in her friend group. they were all bullying, but i dont think muu was like "hey lets go bully someone cuz im mean ahaha" i think she was under her friends impact and did what they do since theyre her friends. i also personally think pgh and muu were friends before muu's new "friends". after muu meet her New friends and started bullying pgh despised them and what theyre doing so she stood up, and turned into next victim. but i dont think it was muu bullying her.
i think at one point one of their victims couldnt take it, and maybe k1ll3d herself. her friends acted innocent and put all the blame on muu, so now not only everyone hated her, but also she started to get bullied. im also not sure thats the reason her friends turned against her but i think it makes sense to the story. muu, whos now the victim wanted to be pittied. she probably wanted pgh to care and maybe help, but instead phg just didnt cared at all. she tried to say sorry but only she got was the same cold expression again, so she killed her. also muu didnt really show anything new we couldnt see it coming in the first mv. it just showed things more clear so now people hate her even more.but she's still not entirely sure that shes innocent, even after we voted her innocent.
my overall opinion is she should be voted innocent in final trial, but for this trial we must vote her guilty because right now she moslty thinks she was in the right, and her victim "deserved" this end. if we affirm her thoughts again when she gets out shes not gonna develope at all and not feel sorry for literally killing someone. i think shes not different than any prisoner on milgram and she deserves mercy as the other "innocent" voted prisoners. just not right now. right now, she should know she's wrong. she should feel remorse
Yeah, I guess I'm really biased..
The more I think about it maybe only Muu saw herself as the Queen and all the other friends thought good about her but not like on the Queen level like Muu. The whole bullying thing probably was more like a peer pressure..
I will definitely think more about the verdict of the last trial since that vote matters the most (iirc) ? For example my plan for Shidou is to forgive him and than on the last trial not. I need him to save everyone who might be in danger because of the guilty verdict. Personally, I can't forgive him for his crime and he is a danger to the society, so that's why.
If your theory is right and it was only like peer pressure then I will most likely forgive her on the last trial but for now I need her to understand that her view is not really the best.
And rip phg.
@@kindnapkin im really glad i could help to change your point of view
I feel like arguing, that means I feel like having a friendly debate so please donât take this the wrong way. I got my own opinions and you got yours :)
- So your first statement is that Muu wasnât always the âqueen beeâ because of how her friends did a complete 180 on how they treated her in the first MV. I disagree with this for two reasons. One, I think her friends are sheep/blind followers. They would follow anyone who have some sort of power (money, popularity, fame, etc.). Since, what iâm guessing, the phg âexposedâ her for being the leader of the group, all of her friends just agreed and put the blame on Muu for everything (later bullying Muu in the first MV). Two, this would explain the friend dynamic with Haruka and Muu. This second part is purely my speculation, but i think how Haruka is acting right now is how Muuâs friends used to act towards Muu. Heâs giving her all the attention and love, but i think we both can agree those two are not healthy together.
- I agree with you saying âtheyâre all bullies,â but you kinda contradicted yourself by saying, in the same sentence, that Muu was under the influence of her friends and was essentially pressured to bully with them. So which was it? All of them are bullies or her friends made Muu bully with them?
- Personally, i donât think phg and Muu were ever friends. If they were, i think she would be with the group of bees surrounding Muu (i didnt noticed any of them having similar hair as the phg, but i could be wrong here). This would also explain how she came out of nowhere and looked at them somewhat disgusted.
- To the point with one of the bullies victims potentially off themselves caught me by surprised lol. Though it could happen, i donât think it did happen. I donât think anything in both MV really led to that, only that Muu used to be a bully, then got bullied and released her anger out on the person who basically âruinedâ her life (phg).
- I think her friends turned against her because again, theyâre sheep/blind followers. And i think the reason why phg didnât forgive her is because Muu is being treated how she used to treat others, so she doesnât care.
Now, do I think she should be forgiven or not in the final trial? Hard to say. I think iâll wait to make my decision when I see her third MV. Personally i did vote her innocent in the first trial because i genuinely pitied her. But this second MV really changed my perspective on her so im voted guilty for her second trial.
The thing about your theory being correct is that it would mean that Mu and Futa have basically the same backstory, which would be a little disappointing. There definitely are strong connections, both being bullies and stuff, but I think Futa expresses much more guilt than Mu does over her actions. Muâs perspective of her murder is obviously one of distress, but to her itâs still just a result of her own personal pain, which takes precedence over the harm sheâs done to others. There are some things I do totally agree with you about, I think she and phg were friends at one point (her first appearance in the new MV being paired with a line about betrayal specifically). Mu DEFINITELY acted as a kind of queen bee, agreeing with vaccuumcleanerâs point about Muâs friendship with Haruka, and her views on friendship as a whole. The reason her circle still turned on her so easily is probably because those kinds of groups arenât built to last. As soon as the âleaderâ seems to be weakened, that weakness is latched onto by the other members of the group also vying to be on top. Itâs a group dynamic that thrives on bejng petty and power hungry. Mu probably originally rose to the top due to her wealth (mentions or her exchanging expensive makeup with others and a line in the new sing about her being âgifted everything by godâ or something), but when an outside force started fighting against her the others on the inside took advantage of the situation to switch up thr power balance. A little off topic, and Iâm not sure if the video actually specifically concludes this, but I want to say that I donât think that phg became the new queen bee. In the first MV nor the second phg is never shown alongside the other members of the circle, so she somehow?⊠turned the tables while remaining entirely outside the group. So unclear how that happened though ;-;
@Vacuum Cleaner hi! there was actually things leading us to muu potentially hurting someone, or drive someone so far to the point of hurting themselves. in the first mv in the blackboard there is things written like "you're a criminal" and its a lot. i dont think it was because she killed phg. it wouldnt make sense,the bullies wouldnt write things like that after phg cause muu already wouldnt ve able to come to school and read them. thats where my theory goes from.
also i think that girl she hurted was the bug girl in second mv. in second mv in the blackboard something like "dont play the heroine" so i think phg tried to stood up for this girl who gets bullied so the bullies started to bully her too.
i think they were friends before because of the lyrics in first mv, "i love you" you wouldnt say that to someone you dont know. i think after turned into the victim, muu tried to make ammends with phg and get her to help herself since phg lived the same things too. phg isnt in the bee circle, because i think they were friends before muu become the "Queen bee" seeing her old friend as a bully, i think thats one of the reasons she looked so disgusted
i dont think muu was just peer pressuered to bullying. im just saying, thats one of the reasons. of course shet not so innocent after all, but i think even tho she might be the head of the group since shes rich i dont think she has potential to just decide to bully people. when you spend so much time with someone you tend to copy their behaivours. i think thats what happened, so she wasnt like the head of the bullying or anything but she clearly went with it.
and lastly i personally dont believe the "phg did something to turned to tables" theory. phg didnt do anything and i dont think anyone saw her as the new queen bee, including muu herself. muu sees herself and her friends as insects in second mv, but phg is the only human there. i think thats because she put phg on a higher stardart
lastly i agree with why phg didnt çare about muu part, but i dont think her friends was just blind sheeps. blind sheeps just do what theyre told. they dont take adventage of their queen cuz they get scared, but muu's friends saw nothing wrong with using her
english isnt my main language so idk if i could explain my thoughts correctly but i tried lol
when theorizing I recommend you do not use the official translation. It's kind of inaccurate. /Neu
Yeah, I have noticed that afterwards,,, apparently the translations are getting more and more inaccurate nowadays? Well, I will keep that in mind, thanks ^^
@@kindnapkin Not to defend Muu or anything she is most definitely guilty, but I'm just saying the official translation puts muu in an even worse light than she's already in
Who is PHG?
PHG is short for Purple-Haired-Girl! She is the girl with purple hair that Muu has murdered. We found out that her actual name is Rei! ^^
So, no more "PHG"
And people still ships reimuu
nooo,i want Muu go from this world why phg was dieee hiksss i hate Muu