Why the Hard tyre? | 2024 Japanese GP F1 Akkodis Race Debrief
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- čas přidán 9. 04. 2024
- Talking tyre strategy, red flags, race pace and more with our Trackside Engineering Director, Andrew Shovlin, after the Japanese Grand Prix.
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We choose the hard tires not because they are easy, but because they are hard!
Good one 😂😂😂 JFK
Outstanding JFK Reference!!
😂
Ferrari: we are chekking
Mercedes: we are trying to understand
Welcome to another episode of : *WHY THE CAR IS SLOW PODCAST*
I'll answer every question for the whole year using only a few sentences.
"We went with a flawed car design in 2022, we decided to continue using it in 2023 and now we're stuck playing catch up against the other teams that were already faster than us to begin with."
perfect answer indeed, but Toto has too much of an ego to ever state such facts.
After every race event, the team is trying to understand why the car behaved in whatever way it did. Man, what happened to the technical department? How is the team so confused with these regulations? And can't the team hire more engineers with specialisations in aero??
It's not as easy as you think mate
Perhaps Adrian Newey can help...😉
Presumably the cost cap is a factor--and also bringing in more people might actually slow things down because then all the experienced folks would need to get them up to speed.
The thing that gets me is clearly they've had the temperature/rubbering in of the track sensitivity in the car going back to 2022. Look at how often they performed in FP1/2 compared to later in the weekend once the track rubbered in; then look at the races they had success in like Hungary and Brazil which were cooler/cloudier. Even with a change of concept, there's still some gremlin in the car with sensitivity to the track conditions no other car seems to be troubled by.
wE aRe UnDeRsTaNdInG tHe CaR
They don't want to say it out loud, but like, they are doing well. Just not as well as Red Bull.
I love race debrief. Thank you for answering our questions
Not making the car go faster though isn’t it
I hope team will get better results in next races. Good luck guys, keep going💪🙏
you been saying that for 4 years, this team is midfield team now its over
@@mdenjoyer831 Why would anyone be saying that 4 years ago? Can you count?
@@TreyMotes in 2021 they lost the floor downforce and they kept talking about data
*at this point looking forward to the new rules for 2026! Let's wait the first upgrades in imola zero expectation*
@@Isweartolucifer there is no point looking at 2026, 2026 rules are based on ground effect cars, mercedes still doesn't understand ground effect and every other team manages that better
its just the start of the downfall
Thankyou for being open and honest about the flaws and gain over the weekends. It shows class and that this is still a sport, sometimes it’s fun to run in the pack a few years.. but to push the entire field to higher expectations I feel is a statement in its own. Keep doing great things and easy and always cheering for you y’all!! 🤟🏾
Morbid times for this team
Thank you for the debrief and your honesty Shov.
I wish the team to understand the car's issues very fast.
Keep pushing !
I wonder if Lewis is going to be the only one to test that car ! It seems he did it again in Japan !!!
Nothing against Jodi shes lovely, but I feel like when the debrief was targeted towards us the fans and viewers IE Shov, James etc speaking to us towards the camera it felt more personal and nuanced rather than an interview style video which to be honest is not the most appealing direction from a fan perspective (Were debreifing a race not hosting the tonight show)
Completely agree! I loved when they spoke to us looking into the camera. However, It may be more difficult for them to look into camera because it's not as natural as talking to someone
I agree, I do not like the "videocast" model of debriefing
Great debrief! It's always interesting to hear some behind the scenes info. I'm glad they do it. Keep pushing!
What world are you living in.
Lmao clown
Jodi is lovely but we need to hear from James Allison
Nope, I'd rather hear from Jodi.
You've got to agree that Jodi is better looking than James A. 😂
They are resting James for future drubbings. They know it's going to be a long season😅
Thanks to Shov and Jodi, another great Q&A. Have to admit Shov is another member of the team who explains himself very well, insightful and easy on the ears. Wishing everyone the best moving forwards 🖤❤
What traffic?!?!? And why are you both smiling?!?!? Are you happy with that???
I swear he always has that smirk as if they are leading the constructors 😆whole merc team is so delusional and up themselves lol
@@boost800you must hsve cried so hard from 2014 to 2020 😂
@@aravindhdeivag111you must be crying so hard ever since AD21
@@Lewythefly why should I, 7> 2 + (fraud wdc) 😂😂😂
Let me guess, gist is: we gathered valuable data?
Jokes aside, keep pushing team, I'm sure you can fix W15!
More learnings
Lol 😅😂
Back at the factory,
"This valuable data doesn't make any sense!"
Good luck Team. Its not easy-going for you right now. But, we support and believe in you. Lots of learning
”Believe” lol. I support, but I don’t believe they’ll fix it. Its been 3 years and they are equally as clueless
Lewis is a wise man. He knew it dude...
Sounds like we are testing things for next season
Debrief: Well in principle we will outclass everyone in 2026 with the best engine despite having a terrible car. Because in hindsight we never had a good car but just a brilliant power unit
They can buikd a great car. The W11 was brilliant everywhere. They just don't understand these regs. Simple as that.
@rampageashton 3 years and you still haven't figured it out, just proves my point even more
@@rampageashton They never built a great car. Ross Brawn built the great car and they had almost a decade of success based on his innovation.
Toto Wolff lived off that acclaim for years when the foundations and groundwork were laid by Brawn GP and Brawn himself.
Red Bull got the start of the hybrid era horribly wrong. But they learned from it. And within a couple of years they were back challenging for wins and eventually challenging for a championship.
Mercedes are MILES from challenging for anything.
Give or take. Seems like these data and the planned upgrades could only bring them to the near podium at the second half of the season. Hope for the best of Merc 🤞🏼- Never give up.
Always positive thinking showing the car is working well, base platform is good, except the results
It boggles my mind at how much Mercedes are learning week by week. You'd probably think with all the experience and know how, by now the car would be fully understood. Is it a magical car that changes every week.....or is it perhaps a transformer?
I used to love watching these videos. Nowadays, it's just very depressing.
Jodi is the only upgrade that seems to have worked for Mercedes.
I don't want to be negative, there's enough of that going on. But I'm getting the feeling they're not being honest with themselves and that's hurting them. And the fans. We can see what's happening. We know where you're at. Own it.
We are in a bit of maze. But i still have faith we will get it together! 🙏🏾
i actually like this debriefs, really informative i just wish ferrari and redbull or aston has this debireds
Good to know it was a great weekend for the Sushi
Be honest can you save the season
LOL why are you even asking this question?
Maybe they should just focus on 2026
Come on Mercedes, get the Car back where it needs to be you are Champions 8 times over
It ain’t happening until 2026 mate
Boa sorte Mercedes positivo frente vai frente positivo Hamilton e Russell Mercedes positivo boa sorte abençoe sempre fé paz amém 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Come on man!
So basically merc will be slow in China too
when do you bring back the zero side pod car? that car looks much quicker than the current one
It actually was 👀
I think the other top teams understand their cars better. That and the long straights (vs our draggy w15) will make the chinise weekend another tough one.
Debriefing now is becoming a joke I know no one wants to say negative in the team putting out false positives like you're gaining ground when you're still in the same spot every race meet makes no sense. They f***** up Mercedes when they stole the title
Lol so mny emotions neh😅
Didn’t steal anything - it was karma for what had happened earlier in the season even Lewis knows that deep down
@@SiegfriedDerDrachentoter what karma are you talking about all 96 people who liked knows the truth you're delulu
@@SiegfriedDerDrachentoter Silverstone? U wanted lewis to brake ?
In English, please.
Sorry guys you did all your laps in practice on the Soft and Medium tyres, 0 on the Hard tyre and you decide to start the race on an unknown tyre around Japan? That is so bad guys you're overthinking everything. This car also need upgrades, no amount of set up work will get you to the front.
Do you know how the tire allocations work in F1? It's not uncommon for teams to not run on sets of tires they then use in the race--they only get 3 sets of meds/2 hards for the whole weekend and have to give some back throughout the weekend. Especially when you think the hards will be an ideal race tire due to high degradation at the track and forecast high temperatures.
Tough to come up with upgrades when the real world setups don't reflect the simulations. You don't understand the problem
@@tHebUm18 You cannot just 'Think' the Hard tyre is an ideal race tyre. Red Bull didn't. Red Bull used a set of Hard tyres in practice and did their 'Analysis' (not just 'thinking' it would be good or bad actual 'Analysis') and found this was not a great race tyre and started on the Medium doing 2 stints on it. This is one of many differences in how the two teams operate.
@@tHebUm18 They knew that the car was a total diva. They 100% should've done some hard tyre running in FP to make sure that the car liked it.
This commenter from youtube is definitely smarter than a group of engineers.
Source : trust me bro
The other teams were slower than us, is this debrief a joke. Not once did I hear we got it wrong. No accountability and no ownership whatsoever
Funny how being a Merc fan has been reduced to
meh FP1,
not bad FP2,
cars look decent for quali FP3, underperform in quali,
bad race results,
justification of previous points debrief.
Then repeat
We might get back up there but the pain of waiting
We chose the hard tyres because its hard to beat the front runners😂
3 years, we are still trying to understand the car! And the car is dependent on weather 😂, no wonder Mercedes as a whole is trailing behind other brands
Toto should have asked a raptor from space x
What traffic?
Still a great format.
Isn´t your front wing's height too high? All other teams have lower height front wings. It looks like they want the front wind to go straight to the lower part of the sidepods and also to the diffuser.
Nice Aston Martin glasses Shove…
Is the W15 another design error? Toto Wolff?
I really hope that Mercedes is thinking about 2026. The only smart decision to make at this time, considering the terrible situation of the current W15 car, which is behind Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren and Aston Martin, because next year the focus will be on construction of the 2026 regulation car, which will be smaller and different from the current one, both in terms of chassis and engine (PU), which will also be different and 50% electric. Being in 2nd place is not an advantage at all, as having more time in the wind tunnel, CFD and simulators will be essential in 2025, to at least try to make a better car in 2026. Mercedes is at serious risk of finishing in 5th place in this championship, The only positive point of this is that it will have more time in the wind tunnel than its opponents who have faster cars.
Soo... If the CFD numbers and the real world performance aren't matching, could there be something wrong with the software from the CFD side??
......WOW.
It's infuriating to see no progress despite three years of data analysis and adjustments. Time to shake things up and deliver tangible results!
More of jodi please. It softens the blow a little with such a pretty smile lolol. Best of luck in china guys, top 5 lets go!
I hope you guys are preparing well for the next set of regulations change in 2026 🙌
Mercedes AMG Pertronas Leading the way in REVERSE TECHNOLOGY 🤦🏾♂️
LMAO fi real G 😂
We have been data gathering for 3 years like really???? Yes this car is better then 22 and 23 by alot but how were you this slow,. If we hade this car last year we would have been fighting for a title
"We have work to do". Then do it.
The food question was by Jodi herself wasn't it 😄.
2025 is likely going to be more of the same for mercedes. I would advise focusing on the 2026 regulations so they can hit the ground running. I can guarantee that Red Bull are well underway with 2026.
End of an era for now. Let's hope Merc is back in 2026
2024: 0:58 7:30 7:50
Ver: 6:22 7:05
Dys: 1:57
10:15
100%
Mercedes must focus on the 2026 regulations, which begin on January 1, 2025. The date allowed by the FIA for the current teams on the grid to have authorization to develop the 2026 car, which is what matters, as no one in this current regulation will challenge Red Bull.
With Hamilton's departure, I think they already have this intention and won't try too hard to finish in 3rd or 4th place in the constructors' championship. I'm not stating this fact, because I'm not sure what Mercedes' long-term strategy is, but it seems like they want to have more time in the wind tunnel, CFD, simulators and development, because with the budget cap and its drastic restrictions, to make a leap, a team has to sacrifice a season to focus everything on another.
it says everything about the team that lewis is leaving... absolute shambles.... the morale must be lower than the titanic at the bottom of the sea, when your main driver gives up on you
no performance , 3rd year still searching for balance ,
Tbh last years cat was better than this one, they dulled have kept with that concept and built into it rather than creating a new one
Second lap on soft used Tyre 0.5 second loss how is it possible they last for 10-14 laps in race
It is astonishing how much Ferrari have improved and Mercedes have declined over one winter. The understanding is just not there.
As a side note, it is disappointing to see fans turn on the team so quickly. I am sure you will find your way back to the top, sooner or later.
Why does this team think "different" means "great!". Just because you can do a one stop after the Red, it doesn't mean do it.
All this reasoning behind the hard tyre strategy is just vibes. They understood the Deg of the track is high then aim for a 1 stop? How?
Yo Failcedes. Don’t you have no shame? Where’s Allison at?
Bla bla, fix the damn car!
Just bring the DAS and party mod back to the car! W15 very slow😪
wait.. you have huge issues correlating between sim and on track performance.. ran the soft and medium in practice but started the race on hards ?? Why not practice those runs on hards or change tyre for race ??
Well, to their credit you only get a certain amount of tires.
@@joshn1678RBR ran the hards and opted against running them twice.
Merc should've done the same because the Merc car is known to be temperamental when it comes to tyres.
Should've split the strategies at the very least. H-H-M for one H-M-M for the other. They had nothing to lose, they were already bottom of the barrel on the grid.
It’s clear to see Mercedes have slowly gone backwards ever since Ross Brawn left the team and top personnel. They no longer have the leadership or ability to get back to the top and it’s that simple, Lewis obviously thinks the same.
We took the strategist from McLaren and she hasn’t done us any good since coming here. She needs to go and we seriously need a new person in that position.
The car
you only use hards in monaco,
I'm speaking to every engineer from James Allison to John Owen ... please please please fix the W15
I hate the new format of these debriefs. I much preferred one person, just talking to the screen, giving it to me straight.
I hate the fact that there have been no tyre regulation changes in forever. They're also going through way too many sets on a weekend, it's ridiculous, no? I would increase the # of Med's and Hard's by 1 and reduce Softs by 4. And I'd tell Pirrelli to make a longer lasting compound so the guys are pushing the entire stint and not saving tyres all the time.
Shovlin, Bonno, Toto, Allison all step down...sell the team to Andretti.
Let Andretti learn to read emails first
So just hang on a second! Shovlin is saying they did one lap not wanting to do another lap because they would be at least half a second slower. So why then did he then say he wanted to save them for 2nd Qualifying if they were over half a second slower. That makes little sense but then nothing that Mercedes have said in the last 2 to 3 seasons has made much sense. Id like to ask why a "top" team can make so many strategic blunders when Red Bull didn't have the pace in the car with Max at least they took decisions consistent with getting him in the race. Why is the Mercedes pit crews not on the same level as Red-bull or even Ferrari or McLaren. They seem only able to match the poorest times of these opposing teams but never ever set the bench mark.
Well..Nothing is working init?
Guys mark my words that car will become quicker next 2 races
They TOTO lee got it wrong once again
Debrief...... save 10mins, we were poop as usual. This is the new normal. End video
At this point I'm not sure if W15 could race a Vespa!
The car is junk again 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Simple.😢
*I have zero expectation for mercedes 2026 new rules!! Let's see what the first upgrades brings for imola*
🤔
Without George and Lewis this team would be in the lower midfield.
The best news after hearing that Lewis is leaving to Ferrari, is to know now that this year's Merc is a POS.
Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 team... consistently showing the rest what should not be done with ground effect cars.... @Audi... hope you guys are taking notes
Mercedes post 2021:
A: We're trying to understand the car
B: We now understand what went wrong with the car
C: Our simulations don't match IRL so we don't actually understand what's wrong with the car
Mercedes 2024 with new car design:
A: We're trying to understand the car
B: We now understand what went wrong with the car
C: Our simulations don't match IRL so we don't actually understand what's wrong with the car
Could've spent the resources from whatever this is to study aerodynamics.
Mercedes slowly becoming Ferrari 🤣🤣🤣
You cant even hide it no more, Mercedes F1 racing has finished, even mercedes sponsered engine cars are beating us, bring on the Red Lewis 😊
just here for some sweet Hamildrones tears aaah so tasty
My gosh that’s absolutely tragic 😂
Please do something with the sound, it's very quiet.
It’s not.
@@dpmakestuff yes it is, compare other videos to this one and youll se the difference
They got rid of the music! Many commentators regarding music said it was annoying
When Mercedes were winning these debriefs were very informative, but now Mercedes are in crisis they just come across as clueless.
These debriefs seem to justify their thinking and put a spin on their efforts. Someone needs to take charge and until such time that they have a clear plan and know what they are doing, just keep quiet.
Bottom line is that Red Bull are half a second a lap ahead, other teams are closer to Red Bull than Mercedes. If Mercedes simulator is telling them one thing and the track another, they need to look at their simulator and actually decide if a simulator that is wrong is any help whatsoever.
It seems that they identify ten things that are wrong, make changes to all ten things and end up with the original ten, and another five new problems.
😂
I want to know y them didn't use soft in the beginning of the race so that Lewis and George could have take position from other drivers?
alonso is right, mercedes is no longer competitive. they’re just data gatherers at this point