Is 240Hz a Waste? - 144Hz vs 240Hz Monitors

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    Is 240Hz a Waste? - 144Hz vs 240Hz Monitors
    Listen up fellow 24fps enjoyers, times have changed, and refresh rates are rising faster than my desk when I heard a 240Hz 4K glossy OLED was coming soon, but do you really need all those frames I mean everyone knows the human eye can only see 3 frames per second, so why are we wasting so much resources on pumping out more and more frames?
    Well in order to find out first we gotta break down the advantages of higher frame rates which are 2 fold.
    The higher the framerate the lower the input lag which means instead of being hard stuck in rookie you might make it all the way to the bottom of bronze. For example 30fps the most cursed target has a total delay of 33.3ms
    60fps has a delay of 16.6ms
    120fps a delay of 8.3ms
    240fps a delay of 4.16ms
    And 360fps a delay of 2.7ms
    As you can see the higher the refresh rate, the lower the input lag which means you can track targets quicker, but you can also see that there are hugely diminishing returns starting at around 120fps.
    This is the reason why most console games target 60fps as its far easier to achieve and when using a controller the difference in input lag isn’t as noticeable, but on PC you’ll find people begging you to put them out of their misery if their forced to go to a plebian 60Hz. I can definitely easily tell the difference between 4ms, using a good mouse, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it will make you better. In theory yes, it can, but in practice I find that most people play barely any better with 4ms lower latency, but does that mean it’s a waste? Well hold on there cowboy now we gotta talk about the second advantage.
    Higher framerates mean smoother images in motion, and this is the biggest benefit to going higher than 120Hz. As I’ve shown in many reviews this can lead to a substantially cleaner image, but this too has diminishing returns, especially on LCD where many LCD based displays especially trash VA panels can struggle to take advantage of higher refresh rates as the display simply can’t keep up and looks blurry regardless. This is a big reason many gamers are busting fat nuts all over their elbows and rubbing it in like lotion over OLED.
    OLED has much faster response times thus it can take advantage of higher refresh rates.
    But that still doesn’t answer the question. Is 240Hz a waste and the answer is yes and no. For most single player games the benefits just simply aren’t worth the doubling of resources required to play over 120Hz in my opinion, but for multiplayer competitive gaming, 240Hz may be worth trying to use as you will get a cleaner image in motion and lower input lag for those really fast paced games like shower with your dad simulator.
    But will it make you a pro gamer? No. I've played better on 120Hz than people on 360Hz and I’ve had people do better than me at 120Hz when I was on 240Hz, so while it does have it’s benefits I wouldn't be wailing and gnashing your teeth or crying yourself to sleep at night over it.
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  • @thedisplayguy
    @thedisplayguy  Před 9 měsíci +11

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    • @dragonsyph2557
      @dragonsyph2557 Před 8 měsíci

      Frame times are NOT input lag, tech illiterate.

  • @arc00ta
    @arc00ta Před 9 měsíci +374

    I never understood why people say you can't see more than X fps, like dude your eyes don't see in frames - you see continuously which is why stuttery/laggy gameplay is so jarring.

    • @thedesk954
      @thedesk954 Před 8 měsíci +32

      The eye need minimum like 24 fps to see motion. It was repeated to you cant see more than 30 fps
      But once you get used to like 120 fps 60 fps feels stuttery

    • @tylerclayton6081
      @tylerclayton6081 Před 8 měsíci +26

      ⁠@@thedesk954 24 fps is the minimum amount needed to have a fluid picture and for your eyes to not notice individual frames switching, instead seeing a smooth motion picture. But your eyes can still notice the better motion quality and smoothness you get above 30 fps
      For video games, anything less than 60 fps feels slow and sluggish. 120 fps + looks and feels much smoother

    • @gazza8596
      @gazza8596 Před 6 měsíci +2

      Well I disagree I drew 12 little men on a book all in deferent position’s and I flickers threw my book at a fairly slow speed and it was a fluid motion haha so don’t believe everything you see on CZcams and google mate

    • @molecq
      @molecq Před 6 měsíci +1

      depends on your blinks per second

    • @jxcksxnx6
      @jxcksxnx6 Před 5 měsíci

      @@gazza8596you sound dumb asl with this comment.

  • @ashkanglm750
    @ashkanglm750 Před 9 měsíci +178

    Higher hz is beneficial when you have higher motion speed. for example in cs and valorant you see clear difference between 240hz and 360hz but for slow pace games even 144hz vs 240hz can be hard to notice

    • @nolyfe4814
      @nolyfe4814 Před 8 měsíci +2

      Does osu count cause I need something smooth and no ghosting

    • @nullvoid2560
      @nullvoid2560 Před 8 měsíci

      @@nolyfe4814 I don't think osu benefits much from anti ghosting tech because there really isnt that many moving things in-game from what i recall

    • @joelconolly5574
      @joelconolly5574 Před 8 měsíci +11

      ​@@nolyfe4814 any good level monitor is fine. You'll barely notice it.

    • @verttisyrjala2897
      @verttisyrjala2897 Před 8 měsíci +11

      You can easily notice the difference between 144 and 240 just by the smoothness.

    • @nolyfe4814
      @nolyfe4814 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@joelconolly5574 define good cause I dropped 200 on another monitor with elmb and that shit still has ghosting. Better then the last monitor but still not enough

  • @injurera
    @injurera Před 8 měsíci +28

    While for most single player games it doesn't matter, I immediately notice the difference when jumping down from 240 to 120 on Samsung Neo G7 while playing Overwatch. Anything below 120hz is unpleasant to play for competitive gaming.

    • @jujuba7611
      @jujuba7611 Před 3 měsíci +6

      i play on my tv with 60hz alot of input delay and my headset only works one side

  • @LoveCage
    @LoveCage Před 8 měsíci +37

    Hard disagree on that 60hz isn't really that different from 120hz or 144hz. There has been times in the past (maybe due to a Windows update or something else) where my monitor reset to default refresh rate of 60hz. I'll join a game and within the first 5 seconds I can immediately notice the much higher delay from 60hz. If you've used 120hz+, reverting back to 60hz feels absolutely atrocious. At least for me, as a competitive FPS player, 60hz is damn near unusable.

    • @nani.df.
      @nani.df. Před 8 měsíci +8

      You can def tell the difference 😂😂

    • @skittlescopes4832
      @skittlescopes4832 Před 7 měsíci +9

      yes, when my computer switches to 60hz i almost get motion sick bro

  • @Carrillophotography
    @Carrillophotography Před 24 dny

    You’re humor😂 I love it. I’m subbing just for that. 🎉

  • @Shoeboxcat7
    @Shoeboxcat7 Před 8 měsíci +39

    I'm not really a competitive gamer, so decided to sell my 240Hz 1440p 27" IPS in favor of my new 120Hz 4K LG C2 42" OLED. I'll take infinite contrast, instant pixel response, and great HDR over an extra 120Hz refresh all day long. I can barely tell the difference in daily use. Overall, the C2 is a significantly more versatile screen, and I can still game at relatively high refresh rate if I get an itch to play.

    • @huevosenpai
      @huevosenpai Před 8 měsíci

      I’m thinking about doing the same thing for mine. Where’d u sell and for how much

    • @slasd1440
      @slasd1440 Před 7 měsíci +9

      And now you get like 10ms of input lag

    • @Shoeboxcat7
      @Shoeboxcat7 Před 7 měsíci +2

      @slasd1440 You'd like to believe I was having a high input latency experience when paired with a 4090. Sad to say, that has no basis in reality.

    • @XaggyBoi
      @XaggyBoi Před 7 měsíci

      if you want to watch movies or do content creation then good decision if you are a casual gamer and play fps games then i wouldn’t recommend

    • @Estebanmw2
      @Estebanmw2 Před 6 měsíci +4

      u are not a competitive gamer. for casual campain games.. great upgrade, to competitive, its a downgrade, or if u want to see movies..

  • @willy92wins
    @willy92wins Před 9 měsíci +2

    Great content as always!

  • @Wayf4rer
    @Wayf4rer Před 9 měsíci +33

    Me personally, I'm fine with playing 240p downscaled on a 4k monitor to get take advantage all of those sweet, sweet frames.

  • @WrexBF
    @WrexBF Před 8 měsíci +26

    As someone who mainly plays shooters on a 280hz TN and who has a 540hz TN on my watchlist, 144Hz is satisfactory, I don't feel like I'm at a disadvantage versus other players. I want more Hz simply because higher Hz monitors tend to have a lower response time. I tried a 390hz IPS and it looked smoother, but blurrier than my TN. (I like motion clarity more than anything else). Before someone suggests a BenQ monitor, I hate DyAc and any other form of BFI, and it's the only thing those BenQ monitors have going for them.
    It'll take a long time until the current OLED's text clarity and burn-in issues get addressed so, I'm rooting for IPS to get clearer. Currently, I have to rely on my secondary 75hz IPS screen for media consumption.

    • @davidvictory9764
      @davidvictory9764 Před 8 měsíci

      i like my aw2724dm

    • @Davinmk
      @Davinmk Před 8 měsíci +1

      burn in is getting overstated

    • @nolyfe4814
      @nolyfe4814 Před 8 měsíci +5

      @@Davinmkstill a risk you take and people wouldn’t want to spend 1k on a monitor that could have that happen

    • @puffyips
      @puffyips Před 8 měsíci

      @@Davinmknot for those who deal with it

    • @emma6648
      @emma6648 Před 6 měsíci

      Tn panel are smooth but look disgusting to me

  • @marb4467
    @marb4467 Před 6 měsíci +5

    I need 240hz to have an enjoyable experience in "Shower with your Dad Simulator"

  • @AstroLoops69
    @AstroLoops69 Před 5 měsíci +2

    The faster the time to kill is in multiplayer games the more you’ll want higher fps/hz

  • @Kapono5150
    @Kapono5150 Před 8 měsíci +13

    Still loving the LG 240hz OLED monitor!! No regrets

    • @Ray-dl5mp
      @Ray-dl5mp Před 8 měsíci +1

      Cool! I'm thinking of getting one...seeing if there are any Black Friday sales coming up for it.

  • @lionakarami7986
    @lionakarami7986 Před 7 měsíci +1

    32 inch 240 hz QHD vs 34 inch 165 hz WQHD Which one you choose ?

  • @jelijahbatiste4443
    @jelijahbatiste4443 Před 3 měsíci

    I definitely seen an increase in performance when I switched from 60-120hz then again when I switched from 120-144hz so I'd conclude that more hz could be what you need to pass your skill level threshold in certain games.

  • @joelconolly5574
    @joelconolly5574 Před 8 měsíci +27

    Yes it's no waste. It can help you be more competi, but won't make you a pro. Still 165hz is now the sweet spot. I don't mind playing at that speed only.

    • @ZanIsRolling
      @ZanIsRolling Před 2 měsíci

      Is it still worth it play on 165hz?I was about to buy a 240hz monitor but i still curious is it a big difference between 144hz & 240hz?Some people said that we cant see more than 144hz so its just waste to buy a 240hz monitor.

    • @joelconolly5574
      @joelconolly5574 Před 2 měsíci

      @@ZanIsRolling 144hz to 165hz, small difference. 144hz to 240hz it's a noticeable difference but not as major. It's a nice to have anyways.

    • @ZanIsRolling
      @ZanIsRolling Před 2 měsíci

      @@joelconolly5574 Well i have comfortable with my 144hz right now,so i think i dont need 240hz.But if i can ask,do you prefer a QHD 144hz or FHD 240hz?

    • @zapped5272
      @zapped5272 Před 2 měsíci

      That's the exact same question I'm having as I'm planning to build a quite beastly PC. I don't know if I want 1440p with less hz or the opposite​@@ZanIsRolling

    • @byronrogel5719
      @byronrogel5719 Před měsícem

      @@zapped5272i had a 1080p monitor with high refresh rate and upgrade to a 2k 144hz monitor and is the best thing i could ever did

  • @Rustydude2030
    @Rustydude2030 Před 4 měsíci +4

    I'm in the last phase of my upgrade cycle and am looking at replacing my 1080p 170hz monitor. I now have an rtx4080 paired with a ryzen7 7700x cpu. Trying to decide if I should go with 1440p 240hz or 4k 160hz monitor in the 27-23" range. Considering: MSI G274QPX, Asus ROG Strix XG27AQMR, or Gigabyte M27U. I primarily play COD, so the 240 refresh rate is very appealing to me. But I do also enjoy playing AAA single player titles (CP2077, Alan Wake2, etc.) So that's the primary argument for 4k. I probably spend 2/3 of my time playing COD and the remaining time playing single player games. Is 4k worth sacrificing the higher refresh rate? I know there are 4k 240hz displays out now, but out of my price range.

    • @Almeidahuh
      @Almeidahuh Před 3 měsíci

      I'm having this exact question at the moment. Which one did you go for and how has your experience been?

    • @Rustydude2030
      @Rustydude2030 Před 3 měsíci

      @@Almeidahuh well now that the news 240hz 4k qd-oled monitors have dropped, especially the msi one at 850, I think it's going to be pushing the prices of others down. So still waiting a bit. I noticed the Asus xg27aqmr 1440p 300hz is down to $550...

    • @Rustydude2030
      @Rustydude2030 Před 3 měsíci

      @@Almeidahuh also I'm pretty much decided going with a higher quality 1440p display vs a mid or entry 4k. I jist don't think I'm going to be happy playing any games on sub 100hz RR and as new games come out they are only going to be more demanding. Didn't buy a 4080 to be lowering graphics settings to medium to get the frame rate I want. Like if I end up only getting ~75 fps on gta6 when it comes out bc I have a 4k, im gonna be dissatisfied I think. Still gonna go to best buy or somewhere similar and try and look at a 4k and 1440p display side by to see if I'm blown away by the difference. But I kinda doubt it.

    • @eg8568
      @eg8568 Před 18 dny

      ​@Rustydude2030 I'm in the same boat as you. Supposedly Nvidia DLSS was made for that exact scenario though, I.e. playing on high resolution monitor but boosting frames. Have you had any more thoughts or experiences on the topic? I'm considering purchasing a 4k 240hz monitor but currently my pc is underpowered and awaiting an upgrade. I am on an i7 7700k and 3060ti. It's doing the job fine now on UWQHD but only at 100hz. I want to upgrade my monitor but wait until the 5090 comes out, I just don't know if upgrading the monitor now is going to cause me such bad fps at 4k that it will be a worse experience. Maybe dlss will save me though

    • @Rustydude2030
      @Rustydude2030 Před 17 dny

      @@eg8568 I went with Asus xg27aqmr 1440/300hz. Pretty happy with it. Mostly I think I would have been unhappy with 4k and lower frames tbh. On COD im not even hitting 300 fps on medium settings, probably 220-240avg. I'm sure if I went 4k I'd be running at lowish settings to hit 200+ fps which I wouldn't like. Didn't buy a nice monitor to play of low settings. Unless you have or are planning to buy a 4090 or similar next gen 4k 240 just isn't realistic, unless using upscaling like dlss of course. Which I prefer to run native. Another thing to consider is the scaling is noticeable. I would def have to use the windows scaling to increase "zoom" for desktop stuff with 4k on 27". Looking back on it now, if I was going to go 4k I would definitely go 32".

  • @48some
    @48some Před 8 měsíci +14

    im a 43 year old gamer i have been gaming from the age of 5. I can tell you this.
    The stable frametimes are more important than high framerate with stutter.
    I have a 1440p 240hz Gsync monitor but i always cap all my games at 120fps. Why ?
    It feels and plays smoother than the constant changing fps 128-187-201-143-138 = stutter hell.
    a constant 120 fps on a 240hz = smooth so smooth you will get annoyed with higher inconsistent frametimes and framedrops.

    • @Dwiz26
      @Dwiz26 Před 6 měsíci

      Would you say this all applies equally if you’re going to use this monitor for office work purposes as well?
      Only reason I’m considering 4K is for the potential better text view, like excel, outlook, etc, but idk if this is truly accurate/noticeable.

    • @mikejones2588
      @mikejones2588 Před 5 měsíci +2

      42 year old gamer here, I approve this message.

    • @cameronbutler6255
      @cameronbutler6255 Před 5 měsíci +2

      That’s entirely a PC issue rather than monitor refresh rate issue though

    • @cameronbutler6255
      @cameronbutler6255 Před 5 měsíci +1

      That’s entirely a PC issue rather than monitor refresh rate issue though

    • @cameronbutler6255
      @cameronbutler6255 Před 5 měsíci

      That’s entirely a PC issue rather than monitor refresh rate issue though

  • @onihensen
    @onihensen Před měsícem

    I remember when they used to say we could only see 29.6 frames per second

  • @mhult5873
    @mhult5873 Před 6 měsíci +11

    Anybody have experience regarding difference between 240 hz vs. 144 hz in desktop, web browsing, office applications and other software?
    Is the mouse pointer more smooth in 240 vs 144 hz?
    Not focusing on gaming in my question =)
    Thank you for any input/answer!
    Br //M

    • @domseyboi
      @domseyboi Před 5 měsíci +3

      yup, 240 hz is smoother.

  • @honchoryanc
    @honchoryanc Před 4 měsíci +1

    I remember when people said you cant see more than 30fps

  • @la3692
    @la3692 Před 8 měsíci

    I've seen on CZcams where a couple of pro-gamers tested the difference and you can definitely tell the difference especially in first person shooters...!!

  • @dontowelie1302
    @dontowelie1302 Před 8 měsíci

    At 0:55 . Reflex / antilag+ is 1,5 frames delays. So 1,5x that lag.
    No Reflex/antilag+ is ~5 frames

  • @arkh1730
    @arkh1730 Před 6 měsíci

    when you move your mouse fast the background gets way clearer the higher you go dunno where is the limit when you can see perfectly but probly 300 fps yeah

  • @AG_Da_Gamer
    @AG_Da_Gamer Před 9 měsíci +3

    Exactly why im sticking with my lg c2 42 desktop setup! left 27 inch 1440p ips and aint going back

    • @AutonovaAI
      @AutonovaAI Před 9 měsíci

      I have C2 but also G7 240hz, one is better for single player and other for multiplayer comp

    • @monkas4345
      @monkas4345 Před 8 měsíci

      @@AutonovaAI How do you like the g7? Thinking about getting the 27" for $530. It supposedly has very solid response times unlike many VA panels. Thanks!

    • @emma6648
      @emma6648 Před 6 měsíci

      I actually preferred my Ips monitor

  • @Birdfam2
    @Birdfam2 Před 6 měsíci +3

    I have a 1440p 165hz monitor right now and I was looking at a 240hz but its in 1080p is it worth it?

    • @warlockgod66
      @warlockgod66 Před 6 měsíci

      just use it as your secondary monitor so you'll be able to switch back between the two when you need higher frames for FPS games or when playing a single player game but want a better picture quality

    • @EmilyRose0
      @EmilyRose0 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Are you serious? Of course not. You already have 165hz and you seriously want to go back to 1080p just so you can get more hz. WTF is the conclusion in this video anyway "you should try". Everything above 144 or eve 120 is minimal if at all noticeable. The huge jump is from 60 to 120/144 that is where the real advantage lies. Nobody needs 240hz its all big numbers to get fools to buy sh1t.

  • @saurelius5217
    @saurelius5217 Před 5 měsíci +1

    My friend has a 120Hz monitor and I have a 75Hz. Sometimes he beats me in a game, sometimes I beat him. I dont notice a difference when I go to his house and see his monitor.

  • @barbar1an_
    @barbar1an_ Před měsícem

    I used to have 10 years old bad 60hz monitor, I upgraded it to 180hz and its massive difference, 170/180hz which is pretty common on more budget gaming displays isnt ever talked about and I dont know why

  • @breakingmad2645
    @breakingmad2645 Před 8 měsíci +1

    came for the title and bro just starts saying the most funniest shit

  • @barbar1an_
    @barbar1an_ Před měsícem

    I think that for people especially on budget where their fps might not go over 200, 170 or 180 might be a sweet spot, majority of people play on 144hz (I think?) so you will slight have advantage against them, also I dont think you can feel too much difference when you go over 200hz, then games the "input lag" I think you are just fine with 1ms latency 170/180hz against higher refresh rates because I doubt they get much advantage on most games, might be wrong but in the end depending what you play

  • @Sandeepjodhee
    @Sandeepjodhee Před měsícem

    I believe higher frame rates have advantages in terms of lower input lag and smoother motion, especially for multiplayer competitive gaming. However, for most single-player games, the benefits may not be worth the additional resources required. Ultimately, it depends on personal preference and the specific game being played.

  • @saiprasad8078
    @saiprasad8078 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Can confirm humans only see 3 fps -- 1 right + 1 left + (1 right and left mixed)!

  • @omikurita
    @omikurita Před 9 měsíci +1

    Oled 120 or Oled 144 being the sweet spot is there is such a thing?

    • @thedesk954
      @thedesk954 Před 8 měsíci

      Stable frames with frame rate limiter is best

  • @TrevorMcGheeTheGreat
    @TrevorMcGheeTheGreat Před 18 dny

    BAHAHAHA Shower with your Dad simulator, I'm ded! LOL

  • @Cash_s
    @Cash_s Před měsícem +1

    I’ve never seen someone go pro on 144hz if that answers your question.

  • @Blixbtw
    @Blixbtw Před 7 měsíci +2

    If I get 120fps on console whould it be worth it to get a 240hz monitor or stick with 144

    • @edouardvall1831
      @edouardvall1831 Před 6 měsíci +2

      it’s completely useless if you have 120fps you won’t have more than 120hz

  • @i_love_pink3008
    @i_love_pink3008 Před 5 měsíci

    That's why you skip 240hz when you upgrade and get a 360hz for the final big upgrade, somewhere around 6ms? Maybe less

  • @isaaclalnunzira6981
    @isaaclalnunzira6981 Před 8 měsíci +8

    170hz 2k is the sweet spot for fps and triple A games. Its not 240hz but its only around 1-1.5 ms slower which you'll barely notice. I used to own the benq xl2546k 240hz and i switched to gigabyte m27q ver2 , it felt the same tbh but pixels were so much better on 2k monitor which made me play better

    • @GOTEEGAMING
      @GOTEEGAMING Před 8 měsíci

      Probably because it was 1080 p

    • @rmmm329
      @rmmm329 Před 8 měsíci

      I like 4K 144hz

    • @metincanballi
      @metincanballi Před 8 měsíci

      I had the same benq monitor and I sold it because I really didn’t like the picture quality and I barely felt performance of DyAc in CSGO. I am now looking for 2k 27” monitor. How like you are satisfied with your new monitor? And would you suggest for people like me to do the same?

    • @isaaclalnunzira6981
      @isaaclalnunzira6981 Před 8 měsíci

      @@metincanballi i mean, if its within your budget and your pc can handle it, go for 240hz 1440p. The gigabyte m27q is good too, id recommend it to anyone with a limited budget.

    • @mailsibul
      @mailsibul Před 7 měsíci +2

      >170hz
      >Sweet spot for triple A
      What Modern title did you play ? AAA game from 2017 ?

  • @BigMac5
    @BigMac5 Před 8 měsíci +4

    For single player games, 120 fps is enough, the difference from 60 to 120 fps is very noticeable. Diminishing returns above 120 fps, maybe frame generation for 240 fps.

  • @soklot
    @soklot Před 7 měsíci +4

    No need for 240 Hz if you can't reach 240 fps LUL

  • @vlSalvation
    @vlSalvation Před 5 měsíci

    We can see only 3 fps? Bro is living with eyes closed

  • @psycho.6834
    @psycho.6834 Před 3 měsíci

    2k 165hz or 1080p 280hz ?
    My pc can run 2k easily

  • @prodigy_xd
    @prodigy_xd Před 8 měsíci +6

    240 is noticable over 120/144. I couldn't play 60 anymore even if you pay me. I think 240 is actually the sweetspot, but we have 360 Hz with ULMB2 o n the horizon to give a big boost to motion clarity (which is the main reason to go higher in refreshrates, for fast paced games). Perhaps i might jump on a ULMB2 OLED when such hits mainstream, but i am happy with my 240 now and wouldn't wanna miss it.

    • @MaymunLega
      @MaymunLega Před 8 měsíci +7

      lol 240 is the sweetspot as if there were millions of other monitors aobve 240 hz. U make it sound like theres 1000hz monitors hahahhahahahaha chill my dude 240 is in no way shape or or form a sweetspot, only YOUR personal preference haha ( or i guess the "sweetspot" for u which is basically one of the highest refresh rates we have currently available anyways haha)

    • @prodigy_xd
      @prodigy_xd Před 8 měsíci

      @@MaymunLega It really depends on the games you play and what kind of graphics card you have. There are games that can't reach more than 200 with some details enabled, even if you have a 4090. Partially because of system bottlenecks, partially because many game engines are garbage.
      So buying anything above 240hz has to be reconsidered.
      However, there is active development to go towards 360hz and even 500hz. Then there is new tech by Nvidia that pushes motion clarity even further, but works only 360hz, etc... making such monitors mandatory, if you want/need that.
      My point was: If you are not about such esport games, or dont have the system to even reach past 240, then a 240hz Monitor is indeed the sweetspot, albeit being "high end" by todays standards, you gotta consider the developments in the Monitor market (oled, mini-led, 500hz). I believe by the end of 2024 the 360hz Monitors will be what enthusiasts will be after, and everyone else grabbing the 240s, which will come down in price by then.

    • @steve42069master
      @steve42069master Před 8 měsíci +1

      Don't forget the 540hz TN as well

    • @chy.0190
      @chy.0190 Před 8 měsíci

      @@MaymunLega its not the sweet spot but its the new 144hz imo for multiplayer fps titles at least. Even console has 120 fps modes in those games lmao

    • @ethaneaves_04
      @ethaneaves_04 Před 7 měsíci

      @@MaymunLegahahahaahahahaha chill my dude, bro stfu acting all goofy and pressed for no reason 🤡🤡🤡

  • @GOTEEGAMING
    @GOTEEGAMING Před 8 měsíci

    Depending on the game i got 3ms at 240

  • @JuakimSaitta
    @JuakimSaitta Před 3 měsíci

    That one friend's lunchbox

  • @Davis2920022001
    @Davis2920022001 Před 5 měsíci

    1080p 60hz all my lyfe Bro, skipped the 1440 and went straight to 4k 165hz... On ROG 4090 & 13900kf is why.

  • @sean.d7171
    @sean.d7171 Před měsícem

    If you play at 144hz and go to 240hz you can get worse at the game at first as you adjust to less input lag. but once you get mussel memory to higher refresh rate you will get much better than you could at 144hz. Its not just the screen there must be no frame dips in the game only set the fps to the max of what your pc put out don't let it jump around in frame rate. I use msi afterburner frame timing in the graph form in my top corner its shows dips and input lag then adjust settings to hit the 240hz consistently. You can't learn how to aim better if your lead time on shots are allover the place with frame dips. if you run 500hz the frame dips mix together with the rest so they don't matter as much as they would at 144hz. Cpu and ram speed is very important to frame consistency

  • @l.3626
    @l.3626 Před 2 měsíci

    just bought a 280hz monitor from 60hz, curious if I will notice

  • @physicsguybrian
    @physicsguybrian Před měsícem

    Three? The human eye can distinguish individual frames until the frame rate exceeds approximately 15 per second.

  • @MeGBillG
    @MeGBillG Před 8 měsíci +1

    lower input lag is fine and dandy :) until your Ping latency over 999 :P. i never saw Ping Below 50 until was already a man XD

  • @TheLukasz3
    @TheLukasz3 Před 5 měsíci

    2.30 whats a game?

  • @pikos4834
    @pikos4834 Před 2 měsíci

    for fps games, you IMMEDIATELY feel the difference between 60hz and 144hz. What about 240? IF you are used to 144 and get a chance to try 240, you will also notice seeing enemies swinging much more comfortably.

  • @brin57
    @brin57 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Higher end refresh rates are only design to part you with your dollars. If everyone was satisfied with what they had, they would not sell enough new stuff, so they have to tempt you with the new prize. Doesn't matter if it's needed or not.

    • @steve42069master
      @steve42069master Před 8 měsíci

      dunno i can feel the difference between 144 and 240 in CS, but wouldn't notice it in something like CK3

  • @BillThaPill
    @BillThaPill Před 6 měsíci +1

    If you’re playing call of duty, it makes a difference

  • @Riktamorty
    @Riktamorty Před 7 měsíci

    As an extremely sweaty gamer, you’re absolutely incorrect about 60fps on controller being negligible in comparison to 120fps on console, specifically.

    • @Riktamorty
      @Riktamorty Před 7 měsíci

      And also PC. Just a grotesque display of subjective tasted “on controller”
      The evidence is as clear as 120 fps > 60 fps on any peripheral that drives you.
      Just future reviewing advice.

  • @Fycstion
    @Fycstion Před 4 měsíci +1

    Do I need above 240 hz+ monitors to play games like No Man's Sky, Sf6, and Ghost of Tsushima?

    • @RyannBarton
      @RyannBarton Před 3 měsíci +2

      no they are not competitive games. 240hz is for people looking for that extra edge in competitive gaming. You're better getting a 144hz monitor at 1440p for better graphics quality

    • @cheeks_of_the_boreal_valley
      @cheeks_of_the_boreal_valley Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@RyannBartonSF6 is not a competitive game, what ?

    • @RyannBarton
      @RyannBarton Před 3 měsíci

      @@cheeks_of_the_boreal_valley tbf i only saw the first and last game he mentioned but even then i don't think sf6 needs 240hz.

    • @cheeks_of_the_boreal_valley
      @cheeks_of_the_boreal_valley Před 3 měsíci

      @@RyannBarton fair, but i don't think it needs 240 Hz and up any less than other competitive games

    • @1kulik
      @1kulik Před 2 měsíci

      The better question is if your wallet allows you or your wife lmao

  • @Powerman293
    @Powerman293 Před 8 měsíci +6

    People never talk about this regards to singleplayer games. Anything over 120hz is overkill for sinlgeplayer games. And that's because single player games are designed for either 30 or 60 gps, with some improvements going up to the next tier refresh rate. But any refresh rate abive that next step I find super overkill. Fir exmaple: FF7 Remake was clearly designed to be run at 30 fps, gets a massive boost going to 60 but feels stupid going to 120. But no singleplayer game I'm aware of has really been built around 120fps to where 240hz feels necessary.

    • @madbuu348
      @madbuu348 Před 8 měsíci

      this! I was wondering about this. 240Hz+ seems really only useful for competitive players where in games like CSGO/ etc that u can get +400 fps that will matter at all. For SP players 120 Hz is probably much enough as we like graphics and those games cant either be pushed much above 100 fps if Im aware (unless u have a master race pc maybe)

  • @nikolaig1
    @nikolaig1 Před 3 měsíci

    I dont see how people play on console at 60 fps or less

  • @stevelo2057
    @stevelo2057 Před 26 dny

    Got 165hz fast IPS monitor, I can see the difference up to 120fps. 120fps to 165fps? i can't see the difference, but may feel the difference sometimes. Don't have 240hz monitor, i guess the difference is even smaller 165hz to 240hz.

  • @Fragtastec
    @Fragtastec Před 16 dny

    3:57 Higher framerate

  • @nicknorthcutt7680
    @nicknorthcutt7680 Před 20 dny

    Its basically better resolution, but in motion. Idk how people can say they cant see high fps. If you can't you are blind...

  • @kristofeight9668
    @kristofeight9668 Před 5 měsíci

    These days we dont have technology that can pass 6ms response time in any modern TN, VA or IPS panel (excluding OLED) that means everything around 160-170hz is pure wasted, there is no any benefits beyond that, but thanks to companies and theirs mastered bla bla marketing especialy theirs 1ms response time stickers on monitors, lots people belive that 240hz and over are better and better.

  • @robertwharwood2759
    @robertwharwood2759 Před 23 dny

    If your console can only run up 120 fps whats the sense buying a monitor thats more than 144hz?

  • @chazdomingo475
    @chazdomingo475 Před 5 měsíci

    Average human reaction time is 250ms. With training this can typically get down to 200ms. Gamers as a subset may have higher reaction times because of extensive training, usually from an early age. God gamers would have reaction times of 150ms or less. So monitor refresh rate can be thought of as percentage error on your reaction time. So the better you are, the more refresh rate matters. Let's say you are the best gamer in the world at 100ms reaction time. That means 144hz gives you 8% error! That's huge. But for the average gamer it gives 4%. I would argue that is likely still statistically relevant in performance advantage, but how much does performance advantage matter to the average gamer? They just want to have fun experience and will never compete with a god gamer on any screen. So then it is a question of being noticeable. I think the noticeable vs $$$ equation does not make sense above 144hz for the average gamer or especially ~170hz, which goes for about the same.

  • @fwgT7mA5
    @fwgT7mA5 Před 8 měsíci

    that's a mistake²

  • @NotLagavulin
    @NotLagavulin Před 8 měsíci +4

    I became a pro for honor player 3 weeks ago. I play on 280hz monitor (overclocked from 240hz)
    Im always positive for 240hz monitor or above no matter what reason you play for.
    Sure you can be succesful with a 144hz monitor or below. Long story short, the better setup, the higher are the chances that you will be good at the game. Not guaranteed though
    Even if you are just casual and want to vibe in a game and press some buttons, i would still go for a 240hz monitor cause it’s just smoother and better experience overall.
    Unless you don’t have the money for it, cause then it’s a different story

    • @lawbringer9857
      @lawbringer9857 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Wtf People still playing for honor in 2024 lol. That game died like 3 years ago. They need to make For honor 2 already

    • @NotLagavulin
      @NotLagavulin Před 7 měsíci

      @@lawbringer9857 the game is not dead and we are a big playerbase now, specially since crossplay became a thing, we just had the biggest tourny with the prizepool of 2500$ for the final qualifiers and 5000$ for closed grandfinal

  • @noidsuper
    @noidsuper Před 9 měsíci +1

    Real

  • @ImakeTanks
    @ImakeTanks Před 7 měsíci

    shower with your dad simulator LOL

  • @CinemaPunk
    @CinemaPunk Před 2 měsíci

    not even the 4090 can do 240hz max out on 2k or 4k. this will be viable when the 5090 comes out

  • @joeroganpodfantasy42
    @joeroganpodfantasy42 Před 3 měsíci

    people use streteched 4:3 1280x960 for even lower ms input lag don't listen to this guy, depending on your build it might be viable if you are struggling you get more fps lower latency

  • @rua893
    @rua893 Před 2 měsíci

    these videos are too funny 😂😂😂😂

  • @ip8103
    @ip8103 Před 6 měsíci

    Shower with your dad simulator 💀

  • @Stefan_s_5
    @Stefan_s_5 Před 5 měsíci

    So if you are good at counterstrike go for 240, if youre a trash silver stay at 60

  • @holidayarmadillo8653
    @holidayarmadillo8653 Před 2 měsíci

    0:35 🤣🤣

  • @RynaxAlien
    @RynaxAlien Před 7 měsíci

    Higher is better

  • @rafaelborre2001
    @rafaelborre2001 Před měsícem

    Shower with your dad simulator. WTF😂😂😂

  • @Ikazmn
    @Ikazmn Před 8 měsíci

    What kind of life u see . 3FPS wow

  • @nikolaig1
    @nikolaig1 Před 3 měsíci

    144 is perfect 👌. I cant stand anything less then 90 fps. 60 is literally laggy. Its unplayable

  • @WClap
    @WClap Před 7 měsíci

    Bro Hertz isnt frames 💀

  • @wickedcosmos535
    @wickedcosmos535 Před 2 měsíci

    elbow jiz

  • @Jebbydafry
    @Jebbydafry Před 8 měsíci

    What are hz

  • @Hahahanoyes
    @Hahahanoyes Před 2 měsíci

    You need a 4090 for 240fps on potato settings

    • @pavelprodanets
      @pavelprodanets Před 2 měsíci

      Nope. I have 4080super and 2K 240hz Alienware monitor - playing on MAX settings for each competitive game (but i'm suck in them:)) Thinking going to 4K and 144hz as 240 is a bit overkill

  • @Tonycaveman
    @Tonycaveman Před 8 měsíci +3

    More clickbait. How does it feel to have such horrible takes all the time?

  • @autistukral
    @autistukral Před 8 měsíci +2

    One day I'll be able to play Half-Life at 1000Hz and no-one will stop me

    • @saurelius5217
      @saurelius5217 Před 5 měsíci

      I'll still beat you and I run a panel at 75Hz. I've been playing Half-Life on and off for 20 years.

  • @flyingpj
    @flyingpj Před 9 měsíci

    Waiting for those 1440p 360hz qd-oleds

    • @thedesk954
      @thedesk954 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Dont use qd oled wait for oled 480 hz on 2024 Q4

    • @hishamaru
      @hishamaru Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@thedesk954 from who?

  • @GARLA022
    @GARLA022 Před měsícem

    Its not a waste

  • @VDD13X
    @VDD13X Před 7 měsíci

    shower with ur dad simulator =))) had 2 google it

  • @Lqrzu
    @Lqrzu Před 6 měsíci

    For the geometry dash players : Just use fps bypass

  • @Zefram0911
    @Zefram0911 Před 8 měsíci

    these opinions are ok for average gamer to 90% of gamers.

  • @m7m_YT
    @m7m_YT Před 8 měsíci

    I will play Roblox on 240hz😎🤑

  • @aaronpingol1566
    @aaronpingol1566 Před měsícem

    Just buy the165hz

  • @KOOLBOI2006
    @KOOLBOI2006 Před 2 měsíci

    240hz is also for peasants. It's all about 4k 360hz oled (yes Lisa SU has sent me one from her va J J)

  • @attackxxx
    @attackxxx Před 8 měsíci

    I was thinking why you love glossy and I hate it. The answer is in the fact that you want to lookinto the 3000nit sun when u game and I like to game for 12 hour straight with multiple monitors without eye strain

    • @thedisplayguy
      @thedisplayguy  Před 8 měsíci +1

      Glossy doesn’t cause eye strain.
      Brightness doesn’t cause eye strain.
      Eye strain is caused by underdeveloped eye muscles adjusting to a new viewing distance.

    • @LazerB.
      @LazerB. Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@thedisplayguyIf you eyes are light sensitive you could have problems with brightness levels like I do.

    • @LazerB.
      @LazerB. Před 8 měsíci

      I have a theory that horrible mate coating can cause eye strain and glossy is easier on the eyes.
      I will confirm that when I get the LG oled with mate coating and a glossy IPS monitor I'm planning to buy...

  • @ALFGamingTV
    @ALFGamingTV Před 8 měsíci +1

    Once you played with 240hz you will never go back to 120 or 60hz.
    it is such a big upgrade - just like going from back light bleed va/ips trаsh to qd-oled glossy panel.

    • @nolyfe4814
      @nolyfe4814 Před 8 měsíci

      Can’t tell if it’s back light bleed or ghosting but it’s causing me to switch to tn. Drives me up the wall I hope oled gets cheaper and better

    • @kidthebilly7766
      @kidthebilly7766 Před 8 měsíci

      @@nolyfe4814 not sure if you're talking about an OLED but an OLED will have neither of those issues

  • @remykamermans5544
    @remykamermans5544 Před 8 měsíci +1

    i wouldnt spend any extra money on anything above 144hz

    • @EmilyRose0
      @EmilyRose0 Před 4 měsíci

      Totally agree, but none of those fools will hear you. I am looking for an actual somewhat scientific video of a comparison. I think everything above 144 is barely even noticable. All these people spend big money on it and they they grind their placebo effect and tell everyone how much better its supposedly is. Spend that money to even reach 144 FPS maxed out in games for a couple of years instead.

  • @MrRayhobbs
    @MrRayhobbs Před 3 měsíci

    But when you blind test people no one can tell the difference I'm sure it's literally a placebo 😂
    I'd love to see a scientific study on this do it at a gaming convention so you got some nerds and bam at least something we can go off of rather than 1 dudes opinion 😉

  • @rolandinnamorato1953
    @rolandinnamorato1953 Před 8 měsíci

    jokes on you i can’t see even see. 0hz enjoyers rejoice.

  • @weroliera
    @weroliera Před 6 měsíci

    You put out too much disinformation man. Good thing I unsubscribed to your channels a while ago. Got this in a search 😂

  • @gruiadevil
    @gruiadevil Před 8 měsíci +1

    1. Monitor's refresh rate has nothing to do with how many FPS you get. That's strictly on your CPU/GPU combo. You can get 500 FPS and use only a 60 Hz Display, and still have better input delay, than a 60 FPS on a 60 HZ display.
    2. It helps only with fast moving games. Shooters and racing games.
    3. You won't notice the difference beyond 8ms, unless you're either really talented at shooters, and/or really young. With age comes slowness of response times. You, the human, become the bottleneck in this equation. And your only solution is prohibited medication.
    4. You said it yourself. Anything beyond 120Hz is kinda useless.
    I would rather have a nice 100Hz or 120 Hz display with high peak brightness, text clarity, good contrast ratio, 1 Bn colors, HDR certified than a TN panel with 1000 Hz that has none of these.
    Only ones who're gonna shell out for 1000 Hz are sweaty CS2 players who play on 144p anyways.
    And these OLED 240Hz seem like they were made for casual Fornite/Warzone users who hope that having 240 Hz is going to help them shoot more enemies.

    • @omegacroc2928
      @omegacroc2928 Před 8 měsíci

      As a geometry dash player, this has a lot of holes.