Movies That Don't Age Well (I)
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The saving graces of Return of the Jedi are the scenes in the Emperor's throne room between Luke, Vader and The Emperor. The rest of may not be so great but the original ending is tremendous, perfectly wrapping up the trilogy.
Agree. Also, the space battle that takes place while they wait for the shield to go down is the best of it's kind in any movie imo.
I always like the speeder scene too in Return of the Jedi. Most disappointing thing about the film is Carrie fishers performance.
@@wildeirishpoet Speeder scene YES! that is what captivated me as a child and still today. I thought the argument was always Empire VS ROTJ? As far as I'm concerned the first three movies are the only movies.
@@wildeirishpoet When the movie was released, the ewoks were the thing most viewers didn't like. Don't blame Carrie. At the time it was felt George Lucas, even then, lacked something as a director and creator. Carrie did as good an acting job as she could, given what she had to work with in the movie.
And The almighty golden bikini
Watching Batman and Robin is like being trapped in a nightclub with a hangover.
I feel similarly about the Space Jam 2 trailer.
@@deepfocuslens I'm proud to say I've never seen any Space Jam movie!
@@deepfocuslens i loved Space Jam as a kid and im down to see this new one come Lebrons the man
Ooooo! Right in the accuracy!
@@65g4 yeah but lola bunny
In their review for Space Jam, Ebert & Siskel actually thought Michael Jordan had a career ahead of him in acting lol. I was completely dumbfounded when I heard them say that
Jordan makes Steven Seagal seem less wooden.
123rockfan- They were probably both attending too many celebrity galas at this point.
My dude said Ebert & Siskel
Watched pretty much every Siskel & Ebert episode on CZcams some time ago, and my opinion of them both plummeted dramatically afterward. They were so often almost-objectively wrong, and for the stupidest reasons. They often criticized things just for not being whatever arbitrary thing they imagined beforehand, for being genre films, for offending their religious sensibilities, for making actors act out violent scenes, et cetera. Way-overrated, both of them. Just look up Ebert's sappy sacharine written review of E.T., written as a letter to his grandson from, like, Pea-Paw, blech. Or look up how Ebert sold out to Disney.
I literally wondered if you ever did a video like this, THIS MORNING!😆
psychic af
The Director's Cut of Star Trek The Motion Picture is the definitive version. Robert Wise was so pressured in 1979 to get this picture finished that the master print didn't even have time to dry before he hand-carried it to the premier in December. In 2001, Wise got to recut the film and its pace is vastly improved. It's much more palpable and does age well in this much better edition. Also, many of the special effects were improved... except that they were mastered for DVD (720p) and thus unless remastered again will never see an HD (Blu Ray or 4K) release. Last year two major works were released on this film "Inside the Art & Visual Effects" by Jeff Bord and Gene Kozicki as well as "Return to Tomorrow" by Preston Jones. Ironically, I read the novel of the movie just last week and received a very beautiful reprint of the one-sheet to hang on my wall yesterday. Needless to say, it's a guilty pleasure. :)
Jaws 3D has such a special place in my heart. When I was growing up, it was just me and my Mom and one day she took the day off of work, grabbed me from school and we went to see Jaws 3 and then out to dinner. Great memory from my childhood
Batman and Robin aged terribly as they were delivering the prints to the theater. The weekend it opened a friend told me he had gone to see it and midway through the print broke. Someone in the audience yelled out, "The gods of film have spoken!"
Back in the day I was very proud of a 45 minute version of Return of the Jedi that I recorded on VHS from Laser Disc. Not one Ewok in my edit.
My favourite ‘Star Trek’ film is Part IV. It’s the one Capt. Kirk comes to the 20th Century Earth.
"Revenge of the Jedi" might have been a mistake on your part, but that was actually the original working title of the film. It was changed to "Return" just before marketing the release. In fact, the first run of Kenner's action figures had "Revenge of the Jedi" printed on the packaging and a few of them were actually sold in stores. I talked(whined) my mom into buying one for me. If only I had realized at the time, just how valuable that little hunk of plastic and it's mistitled piece of cardboard would one day be.
Moving Gelatin Plates is a good band
My father ran a movie theatre during that time, and I still have two of the original REVENGE posters that were recalled from theatres.
If nothing else, American Beauty hasn't aged well due to recent developments with Kevin Spacey (the star of the film) and the stark parallels between the two.
My inglorious career: I was in 'Tough Enough' with Dennis Quaid (Jaws 3-D), and 'Highway Honeys' with Kirstie Alley (Star Trek). I have stories from each,, but they're not for publication.
I Love your reviews and top 5's. I was young when I saw Akira, maybe 12 or 13 years old and so many scenes were absorbed into my brain, that I still remember the feelings associated with that very first viewing, today. And the drums......So very primal!
Thanks for the "Jaws 3D" viewing suggestion. I went and watched the clip, and the cheeseball factor was spectacular. The only thing I wanted to add was Nelson from "The Simpsons" pointing at the catastrophe and stating "Ha ha!"
1995's Babe used to be one of my absolute favorites. I still like it (rewatched it last month for the first time in 15 years), but it's nowhere near the film I thought it was.
Hahaha, I remember that movie! I was more of a Stuart little type of kid.
Eh, at least it's better than Gordy!
Incredibly, they novelised Jaws The Revenge. Hank Searls. He did his best with the material he had to work with, in fairness.
I've heard that he has shark narration in the novel.
Return of the jedi is still better then every subsequent star wars fim
Yup not even close.
@@davideoliveirapinheiro1096 agreed! Those are the two Star Wars films I love outside of the OT
It's a great movie
I didn't like the rehashed Death Star plot point
if you're a dork
I can’t even enjoy Batman & Robin as a “so bad it’s good” movie anymore. To me it’s almost like an endurance test of awfulness lol
Rebel without A Cause - I think that's like a definitive film that does not age well.
I love jaws 3D. I’m a sucker for most older 3D films as they really tried hard to think of what they could do with these awful cameras that could barely do much other than crazy pop outs.
I can get stoned and watch all these 3D films happily.
For me, even though "Return of the Jedi" came out in 1984, it still had a distinct 70's feel to it!
In fact, along with "Grease 2" (1982), I consider it among the "last of the 70's movies".
It came out in 83, fool.
when I think of movies that haven't aged well as someone in the '90s, I automatically think of the Matrix
Arty is something I never really associated with The King's Speech.
it's the definition of "middlebrow entertinment"
It's really not arty at all.
Thanks for posting another interesting subject
If you're saying "don't age well", the answer is easy: Son of the Mask!
I was fascinated by that film in 2005 .... it was a piece of expired candy that your friend might dare you to consume, with its sickly green color and its multiple, bafflingly grotesque uses of Alan Cumming. It didn't take long for my love of Son of the Mask to die out.
It’s funny, Sam Mendes has actually stated that he was surprised and a little embarrassed by the amount of critical acclaim American Beauty received at the time
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Batman Begins. Absolutely adored it when it came out. It was not onl my favourite comic book movie but one of my top favourite movies of all time. However, I now have to really be in the mood to watch it as I often find myself turning it off. Another example would be Scream. Oh how I must have obsessed over that film and bored everyone silly raving about it. I actually still like it but it's not a film I am particularly compelled to revisit a lot.
Batman Begins is boring. Scream starts off and ends great, but the stuff in the middle is ho-hum (a lot of plot and characterization that falls flat to me, Neve Campbell and Skeet Ulrich seem to sleepwalk their way through much of the movie too).
Batman Begins is 50% great, 50% just okay. What I do hate about it though is what it did to Hollywood, where almost every blockbuster and franchise had to be gritty and realistic from then on. So dull. Realism is extremely overrated, especially in fucking superhero movies.
Butterfield 8, Top Gun, Bio-Dome, Monster's Ball
Shit, Green Book aged poorly two seconds after I finished it.
American beauty is a masterpiece even today in 2022 , one of the best movies ever made ( I'm 36 years old not a grandpa)
the crow, i still like it though but it hasn't aged well at all.
I agree. I actually love it but a lot of the cheese hasn’t aged well at all. The corny and simpleton bad guys, the hesitant action sequences, and some parts of the soundtrack don’t mesh well at all. The good cop arc also made my eyes roll.
I'll take The Crow over any comic book movie released in the last 10 years.
My suggestion. Do whatever you can to get movie fans to watch older black & white Hollywood movies. It is an uphill battle. But worth it.
As an european I must say you are right. The directors of the "golden Age" made countless good to great films. Many of them seems now unknown by the newer film fan generation (except Hitchcock, Wilder and a few others who had the luck that one of their films is mentioned in the Imdb TOP 250). Richard Brooks, Fred Zinnemann, Raoul Walsh, William Wyler, Robert Aldrich, Anthony Mann, Ernst Lubitsch, Nicholas Ray, John Huston, Michael Curtiz, Elia Kazan, Robert Wise, Otto Preminger, Robert Siodmak, Douglas Sirk, George Cukor, Joseph L. Mankiewicz, Howard Hawks, Henry Hathaway, George Stevens, Blake Edwards, John Frankenheimer and William A. Wellman (to name a few) made way more good films than guys like Tarantino, PT Anderson, Fincher, Nolan (extremly overrated by the smartphone generation), Coen Bros., Wes Anderson, Linklater, Soderbergh etc.
4:44 saying american beauty didn't age well is fine but adding "Sam Mendes is not a good director" was completely unnecessary and blatantly wrong imo. Did this person not see skyfall or 1917?
Not bad but he was overrated and overhyped for many years.
Road To Perdition is one of my favorite movies, and some of Tom Hanks best work
Well, Transformers the Revenge of the Fallen has aged extremely well because it's a masterpiece.
What do you think Preston Sturges' The Lady Eve? It is one of my favorite films of all time, but it would be interesting to hear your thoughts on it.
One of my favorite comedies of all time.
Check out ‘Remember the Night’ Sturges didn’t direct, but he wrote the screenplay and Stanwyck is also great in it!
I'm gonna defend Star Trek TMP. The guy complaining about it posted the same comment almost verbatim in a Star Trek Facebook group a few weeks ago, and he's kind of right, but he's also kind of wrong. I do get that it's pace does seem to lag at certain points, but honestly its refreshing for a sci fi movie to just be exploring an idea, where there is no real bad guy, and no pew pew. I like that kind of sci fi, and while ST TMP doesn't do it quite as well as some of the films it undeniably apes, I still enjoy watching it
Totally. It's "hard" sci-fi. It raises the big questions like what it means to be human, can machines have feelings, etc. This is what space exploration is really about, finding new life, and discovering ourselves. For me it's far superior to schlock like Wrath of Khan who's entire plot can be summarized in one word - revenge. I suppose they may have gotten carried away with the fx scenes, it even put the fx supervisor in the hospital... But as an artist, I enjoy much of that.
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I still remember going out to see "Batman & Robin" with friends and remarking that - apart from Arnie's one-liners - the only other high points were Uma Thurman and Alicia Silverstone!
Tbh I honestly think if you removed a lot of the camp from Batman and Robin and added more expansive writing like for example fleshing out the characters’ arcs more it would be a great movie. I LOVE the sets and all the visuals in the movie as well as the score
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I bet your hoping she's dyslexic when she reads your name 😁
Space Jam was the coolest thing i had ever seen, until i saw Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
Any movie that captured the zeitgeist of that specific time will not age well. Think Easy Rider, American Beauty, and eventually, Parasite.
Why would "Parasite" become a dated movie though? Apart from the family's back stories talking about financial hardships and lost lively-hoods : wouldn't that be universally understood?
Easy Rider is a masterpiece. American Beauty however i agree with.
I recently went back to watch baz’s Romeo & Juliet movie after seeing it in the cinema back in th 90’s and… yeah, loved it in my late teens but it’s now just an ADHD acid trip where all the young actors are spouting the lines but rarely do they actually know what they are saying. A lot of it comes off as stiff and empty. Baz uses insane break neck editing to give off the perception of energy but when it comes back to two people exchanging dialogue it returns to monotone line spouting. Some of the more seasoned actors do their best but a lot of the youthful actors just say the lines and deliver it mostly in the wrong tone and emphasis is made on the wrong words etc
It definitely has lost some of its sparkle with age (possibly my age) 14 year olds will still probably love it
He always does these insufferable movies, Moulin Rouge and Great Gatsby (or Old Sport the movie) are the same tired shtick
Not a movie I watched as a kid but Black Narcissus, despite it’s aesthetic beauty and expert craft, has definitely aged poorly.
Highly disagree on the Kings Speech. Think it's a very well done film albeit Oscar-baity. The characters and dialogue are really well fleshed out and I loved how Tom Hooper let the scenes and conversations breathe. Les Mis was his last good film. Been going downhill since then sadly..
@@davideoliveirapinheiro1096 beg to differ. In the King's Speech he uses the ultra wide angle very effectively to evoke anxiety, feeling inadequate and being intinately close with the main character. Best example of this is after being named king, George has to address the whole court at Buckingham Palace. When he enters the room, the people standing there seem overly tall and menacing through the use of low angle and a very wide lense. The same he does with the shots of the paintings 'looking down' at Bertie. I agree, there's a few moments where he uses an extreme closeup with a wide angle just for the sake of it but that's almost every filmmaker ever. Sometimes you make choices just to make the shot more interesting. I agree after KS it was all a bit downhill. In the Danish Girl a lot of the choices were style over substance. Les Mis had a bit of both.
"The King's Speech" is formulaic.
4:44 Liked American Beauty, however, The Matrix was a better film and was a better script. And Denzel should have won the Oscar for his performance in Hurricane over Kevin Spacey.
2:50 I feel the reverse about STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE. I was very young and loved the TV show but HATED the movie. They changed EVERYTHING. The music...no SPACE THE FINAL FRONTIER...Spock a was a dirty hippie.... there was an animal on Kirk’s head... they totally changed the ENTERPRISE...etc. I’ve come to appreciate it now.
Do you appreciate Kirk's gorilla arms?
Just I love it too
Very surprised by your comments about Tom Hooper's visual eye. I don't like his films, but the visual aspect I think is fantastic. In particular, The King's Speech I think is one of the most beautiful films of all time (although I agree that visuals aside it's lame Oscar bait). I think he composes beautiful frames. I'm very curious to hear what other people think on this topic if anyone wants to chime in.
Just a reminder that Inception lost Best Screenplay to The King’s Speech.
I agree with The Kings Speech i mean i really enjoyed it when it came out. I still think its a good movie. But The Social Network should have beaten it for Best Picture
Seriously? The social network is total garbage.
For me it’s just about every mid 2000s Will Ferrel movie. Oh boy, were some of those painful to re-visit.
I hope 2008 doesn't count as mid 2000s because Step Brothers is a gem 😘
@fa q haven’t seen it in years.
Anchorman is one of the best comedies ever made.
Space Jam isn't a real movie, it's a time capsule and a soundtrack album.
All of the late 90s pompous Oscar Bait movies
Such a piece
I love all the Jaws movies too: viewed all together, they're the story of one family's intergenerational trauma, with the last one, IMO, being psychological, all in the mother's head. She's damaged by how her family has been hurt by sharks.
I especially like how they made the shark actually ROAR in Jaws: The Revenge! Yeah, VERY credible, guys. SHEESH.
I remember loving “Revenge of the Sith” as a kid. Different time.
You mean you don't enjoy it now? When Disney has made even worse star wars movies than revenge of the Sith?
@@kronosleblu888 just because something is worse doesnt make the previously bad thing good
You don't love Revenge of the Sith? I HATE YOU!!!
After all the star wars movies we have got, if you still have the time and energy to whine about revenge of the Sith, the. Clearly you have this whole didn't age well thing wrong.
Force awakens came out and everyone called it the best stars wars movie ever even made lots of money. Ignored its flaws. Look at it now. Would anyone say that?
@@kronosleblu888 That movie has Iko Uwais and another guy from The Raid. For a minute, to be killed by monsters instantly!
I don't know if I'd say I even liked it a ton the first time around, but one movie that aged atrociously is She's Out Of Control with Tony Danza. I remember it being just a run of the mill comedy with one of your favorite sit-com stars, but revisiting it recently, it's actually one of the worst movies made by a legit studio that I've ever seen. It's moved in Light Of Day territory. Michael J Fox and Joan Jett. Look it up. I frown just referencing it.
Tbh I don’t think there is any movie that hasn’t aged well, if you’re talking about bad CGI and effects then yeah, but apart from that I don’t think there is a single movie that hasn’t aged well.
The sad part about _The King's Speech_ Oscar win, is that while it was the "safe" choice for Best Picture, there were at least four other films in contention that were evidently better.
The kings speech is just such a nothing movie. Very bad stuff for sure.
The Little Convict(1979) starring Rolf Harris.
Jaws 3-D is in the it’s so bad it’s good category. Saw it in 3-D as a kid lol
Anyone who thinks Sam Mendes is a bad director hasn't seen 1917.
Halloween 1978 is absolutely terrible now. Not even playing
Easily Mr. Carpenter's least scary film (and one of his most boring). Actually liked Halloween 2 (1981) more.
For Jaws Four, they should change The Revenge with Hear It Roar
I Am Woman Shark.
Star Trek the Motion Picture is amazing!
True about Return of the Jedi. The whole thing seems lazy as if GL knew that because it was going to be a hit, he didn't have to worry about the quality. An attitude he took into the prequels 15 years later.
Rambo 3 comes to mind. The Rambo movies past First Blood have a particular kind of charm that I suppose is an acquired taste, but Rambo 3, or as I like to call it, Rambo and His Amazing Friends, the Mujahideen, really doesn't age well as it's a prime example of the the military and the CIA having input on film scripts. If there were a modern equivalent, think of a hypothetical movie where the action hero fights the Assad regime in Syria with rebel forces while completely glossing over the fact that a heck ton of said rebels are either part of ISIS or their allies. Major yikes...
I still love ROTJ. I find myself asking why they didn't make the ewoks wookies, but I don't hate them. I love the beginning and the end. It's one of those weird instances where the middle kinda slows down. It would've been much better if they integrated the rescue of Han better into the rest of the story.
American Beauty was a very good movie … indictment of suburban suppression and pathos perhaps from … within in film lineage … The Swimmer (1968) etc.
Ill never understand the hate for return of the jedi😔
I would have to agree. I can kinda see where Maggie is coming from and I will admit it probably works better as an episode to a larger story. But revisiting ROTJ, I still had a great time with it. Maybe it's because I love the characters so much and it does take me back to my childhood.
@@hamzarouri8454 it is easily the best we see luke imo,he is strong insightful and still not a perfect character because he had to be saved by his father and that whole plot line is done best here along with ig being the first time we see a green lightsaber and palpatine,the ewoks i always viewed as another general creature in the galaxy where they weren't too childish and helped balance out the dark tone of the film along with it completing the love triangle between han and lea,it will always be my fav in the franchise
@@zfurr8629 Oh yeah, I agree with what you're saying. Especially, the stuff with Luke. Like I said, I love these characters.
@@hamzarouri8454 i appreciate it what is your favourite star wars
@@zfurr8629 Oh that's easy, The Empire Strikes Back. It's one of my top 30 favorite movies.
I loved Troll 2 as a kid. Now not so much.
That’s a whole different thing. The bad aging made it even more enjoyable in my opinion. The weird story with that super cringy late 80s stuff fits really great!
There are lots of controversial opinions in this comments section.
I still love American Beauty.
I was stunned to rewatch American Beauty for the first time in 20 years and realize it’s garbage. I thought it was so deep and darkly comic as a teen and now I see it’s pretense. The Ice Storm from 1999 was much better.
I’d go with
Forrest Gump
Platoon
Saving Private Ryan
Avatar
Anything Ridley Scott
Braveheart
Saving Private Ryan? Really? How?
@@samslocombe5402 It’s a movie I used to love but the more I watch it the more issues I have with it, mostly to do with the script. I like the production values but a lot of it is typical Spielberg. The story is trite and unbelievable. The characters wonder aloud at the stupidity of the plot. Character arcs are spotty at best with Upham’s in particular being very problematic. None of the actors act like they’re in the 1940s, Tom Sizemore in particular acts like he’s like 1998 Los Angeles and there’s no sense of period to the dialogue. And the fact that he made it through boot camp let alone Africa and Italy while being as clearly out of shape as he is is ridiculous. Stuff like that :)
@@hvitekristesdod Fair enough. I guess if you dive in and dissect any movie hard enough, you can find things to pull apart. I can respect your opinion.
@@samslocombe5402 Respect to you too! I really love Band of Brothers just so much more
Agree with everything except SPR. That movie holds up.
Why do you flip your videos horizontally when a third of the frame is filled with words?
Aside from the spirit, and the quips that are thrown (which are very much in tone with the turtles imo), that's all the ray of shine I can give to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3. It was my introduction to the turtles, I appreciate it for that, but the puppeteering, the plot, character motivations (excluding Raphael), and the overall effort towards the project show only dollar signs for New Line Cinema, and not much else for everyone who is here to see one of their favorite comic book properties brought to screen. Fuck that movie, and fuck everything else done to cooperate-whore the turtles into the ground aside from it.
I didn't expect to hear praise for Jaws 3, but yea, I like it too. I'm somewhat aware of its awfulness but since it was one of the first movies I saw at the cinema with a huuuuuge screen, I have a special affection for it. But even aside from that, I don't understand why everyone trashes it because I don't think it's THAT bad. It's not boring, stuff happens. I don't hate Jaws: The Revenge either. It terrified me when I first watched it with my friends. But I don't have the same attachment to it.
Jaws 2 is trash though. All I remember is those stupid kids screaming all the time. It was annoying as hell and I never want to see that film again.
Citizen Kane may be a great film, but I sense it has become less irrelevant. Old films become less and less memorable when they have less and less resemblance to modern films. And it is modern viewers and future ones (the posterity) who ultimately decide if anything is any good. 2001: A Space Odyssey is still relevant because it still inspires a lot of today's thoughtful sci-fi pictures. Ditto for Blade Runner, because its visual style and aesthetics still influence today's films. Ditto for Rules of the Game (1939), because we still see its influence in today's films and TV shows with big cast and interwoven storylines, such as Downton Abbey, The Crown, and many Robert Altman films. "Artistic documentaries" like Koyaansqatsi, Man with a Movie Camera, etc., are still remembered today because films like them are still being made. But what modern films or TV shows resemble Citizen Kane? I have to say not many or none. Its most prominent features - nonlinear narrative, overlapping dialog, deep focus (lens!) photography, etc. - are seen as mere fundamentals today, just like the early Edison movies. Today's filmmakers are more influenced by Lynch or Spielberg than by deep focus shots! The main theme of Kane, that a dying man's word is somehow significant, is also not exactly profound philosophy. Kane now seems more like the classical filmmaking that it once tried to revolutionize. Its impact is not as pronounced as it used to be. Next year will be the renowned Sight and Sound film poll, and we will see how Kane will do then. It was already surpassed by Vertigo last time. And Vertigo continues to influence modern films, from Basic Instinct to Black Swan. Brian de Palma probably owes much of his career to Vertigo. Another film that is endangered to become less relevant is The Godfather, because I feel that today's mafia films and TV shows are beginning to move past the aesthetics set by The Godfather. Today's films of this kind tend to be more nihilistic, bruising, unglamorous, etc., whereas The Godfather decidedly has a certain glamorization factor. For instance, the psychotic dimension shown in Goodfellas ("I'm funny? Funny how?") would never exist in The Godfather.
Great comment. Although I would disagree on Citizen Kane's main theme.
From what I've heard Jaws 3D was supposed to use an advanced 3D system that would've had good resolution and convincing 3D effects. But due to either cheapness and/or studio politics they ended up with out-dated 3D that had a washed out muddy image and made the effects look fake.
. I always thought Star Trek the motion picture was ass but they improved I thought as they went along. I was 10 when American beauty came out I saw it when I was about 18 , I thought election from Alexander Payne was the far superior movie . I still actually enjoy a lot of the films I liked as a kid , I’m reliving a lot of them again now with my own children , so I guess I still view a lot of them through a child’s eyes . Being born in 1989 I grew up with a lot of the early 90s movies .
I guess the one that stands out is ID4 I was 7 when it came out saw it when I was 8 absolutely loved it then can’t get through it now .
Space Jam, Small Soldiers, Hook, Problem Child, Robocop 2
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The wrath of Khan was less ambitious as the original Star Trek failed to make it's money back as it was at the time the most expensive movie ever made (costing 4-5 times the amount of the original Star Wars) so yeah they needed to cut that budget quite substantially to maintain the series.
I'm 43 and been an insomniac since i was 5 or so. Also nnnnnnever fell asleep during movies (or house parties for that matter... which spared me being the target of some off-color hijinks), but believe it or not, as slow as Star Trek: The Motion Picture is... it didn't put me to sleep. I'd just lose interest and turn it off and come back to watch it in pieces. The only movie that actually puts me to sleep is the first Hobbit film. I swear, it's Ambien to me.
American Beauty is a masterpiece! Can someone provide me with actual counterarguments other than pretentious and Kevin spacey bad?
'pretentious' is a very over-used term, but..come on. I thought she said it well enough, it's depicting a suburban middle-aged existential crisis but really doesn't actually say anything other than the idea that maybe it's not spiritually fulfilling being a middle-class white-collar guy in a loveless marriage. It doesn't really offer anything in its place beyond this extremely shallow romanticism (the plastic bag - come on, that was cringy). It's all delivered with a sort of adolescent earnestness that rubs me the wrong way. Knowing it was written by Alan Ball, it reminds me of how he wrapped up the arc in one of the main characters in Six Feet Under, that the menacing figure in the red hoodie he was hallucinating is revealed to be -*gasp*! Himself! 2deep4me. That being said Ingmar Bergman admired it, iirc he said it was one of the most vital american movies
It's edelkitsch.
@@helvete_ingres4717 Thanks for replying much appreciated.
"It's depicting a suburban middle-aged existential crisis but really doesn't actually say anything other than the idea that maybe it's not spiritually fulfilling being a middle-class white-collar guy in a loveless marriage".
Actually, from my perspective the movie isn't trying to make the claim that middle-aged life isn't spiritually fulfilling, rather, it's trying to say that in spite of the dullness and pettiness of life, you can still seek beauty in it all. It doesn't give you answers as to what the objective essence of 'beauty' is, just that experiencing something like it within an imperfect society/life span isn't an impossibility. Spacey's character at the end feels it but we still don't know what it is and the film doesn't need to tell us about it, we just have to project it onto him as the audience. For me, I think beauty is some form of the inner acceptance of the self in spite of where it is derived from.
Due do you think you would've liked it more if the movie gave you the answer of beauty more directly, or was the theme of the movie was something entirely different?
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@@craydogdog1530 You're describing exactly what I referred to as its 'shallow romanticism'
@@helvete_ingres4717 How is that shallow romanticism?
I just watched scary movie 3, spoof films never age well
Yes. Probably because they make fun of the time they take place in.
Love the first scary movie its still the funniest 😎
Except Airplane! Which is the greatest film in the history of cinema 💀
I still like Spaceballs 🍻
That's the problem with pop culture movies that depend too much on the then-ongoing zeitgeist.
Which is why no 70's-centric comedy means anything today.
Ace Venture Pet Detective is one that jumps to mind right away.
Jim Carrey can be funny, but I didn't laugh ONCE the whole time. He's done FAR better than that.
1. Dark Knight, Joker still a good character in performance but the movie as a whole suffers in pacing and logic. (like it didn't tells you how Joker can do those big plans, he just do whatever the hell he wants to, no limit no consequences)
2. Se7en, I watch it 15 years (or so) ago, I thought the ending was great, but recently I rewatch it and felt embarrassed, another example of "to shock your audience just for the shock value(not for story telling or other art values)".
I'm not saying Dark Knight is a bad movie it still an Okay movie for me, but Se7en is a big NONO.
I agree, just rewatched Se7en a few days ago, like, it's fun, but it's definitely nothing special I think
Yeah, I found Se7en kind of overrated. Not terrible by any means, but definitely overrated. (On the plus side, one of Morgan Freeman's best performances, IMHO).
One that I saw relatively recently that certainly didn't age well was It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World from 1963. So many of the references and cameos are of the time. If you don't know who some random cameo might be, then it's not as funny.
Loved the original Transformers the Movie animated feature. But viewing it as an adult I realize it is not a masterpiece. But it's still better than the Michael Bay renditions.
I'd say Tootsie is that film for me. When I first watched it, I thought it was an intelligent comedy. Now all I see is 2 hours of mansplaining and gay panic. Honestly, I can see why people barely bring it up anymore despite it being the second highest grossing film of 1982.
It would've been better if it didn't drag (no pun intended) so DAMN MUCH! The story is okay, but it's so friggin' slow-moving that I was like, "Okay, get to the point ALREADY!"
Won’t lie I still love Batman with Jack Nicholson
I grew up on that Joint
Brave Heart did not age well
AYE IT DID
Brave heart is fun in an over the top kitschy way but yeah it’s nonsense.
Add to the list Lawrence of Arabia, Ace ventura, the matrix, Trading places, short circuit, police acadeny,
Lawrence of Arabia hasn't aged poorly at all. I saw it in 70mm, still one of the best cinema experiences there is.
@fa q I know that he knew all along about the Sykes-Picot agreement, whereas in the movie he only learns of the British plans to carve up the Arab territories with the French late in the campaign and is shocked and indignant.
@fa q Thats not really fair to point out because it wasn't at all well known at the time by both historians and the public how much T.E Lawrence was fabricating in his book Seven Pillars of Wisdom. We have only recently in the last few decades have begun to understand the man and his life and the facts behind a lot more. Even History Buffs said that in his historical review and analysis of Lawrence Of Arabia and he is well known to be quite harsh on big inaccuracies in historicall films.
You must be joking on Lawrence Of Arabia its still a masterpiece and aged incredibly well its one of the best films ever made
@@65g4 Read the history of TE Lawrence, of the Arab people, what really happened, then rewatch it. Your cringe will be so strong you will recoil!
LoA is literally a white savior movie but the white savior is somehow outspokenly racist. Imagine if they made a movie today where they had a single white guy take credit for starting the civil rights movement by showing scenes where he told the black leaders to "stop thinking you are less than whites, become political active, protest, and start fighting for your rights"! LMAO!!!
Cuz that's what LoA is portraying TEL did for the Arabs!!!
*King Kong vs Godzilla 1962* ...especially *now.*
"She Blinded Me with Science"....oh, wrong art...sorry....
Rambo: first blood part 2. That shit sucks but I loved it as a kid.
For me The Princess Bride. I didn't grown up with this movie so when I finally watched it everything felt dated. The humor didn't work and the story just felt cringey and silly.
The weird thing is that I like some old silly movies like Airplane and the Monty Python movies.
Whoever said Sam Mendes wasn't a good director---you haven't seen Skyfall, have you? I agree about American Beauty, but that movie's shortcomings aren't primarily due to the direction.
It’s a bit of an amorphous list - nothing stands out as a reason why these movies have aged badly, specifically. They are all more of an issue of personal taste, or just movies that are bad, period.