Movies That Don't Age Well (II)
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Donner had a knack for being respectful to the original material while at the same time putting his own fingerprint on the film. He was excellent in that regard.
The American Beauty is dead on for me. I saw it as a freshman in high school and thought it was really deep and profound. I tried rewatching It a few times recently and I was shocked at how poor i found most of it.
Hi Maggie, I have a suggestion: what about “best acting work from poorly written characters”. Those characters that are just boring or awful on the paper but the actor did a great job giving it dimension and depth.
Or the reverse also!!
'Mac And Me is better than ET'...said no-one ever...apart from me...and now I need to take a shower and have a good cry.
It's better, If you want a good laugh
To imagine Richard Donner directed The Omen two years before Superman. Two completely different movies and he did them well.
“Ladyhawke” . Good example of a film he was hired to do because *at that point he had proven he could do anything* .
Donner was really one of the last great journeyman film directors. His pictures may not have the visual and thematic touchstones of the auteurs, but he was a phenomenal showman, like Robert Wise or William Wyler.
The Omen, Superman, The Goonies, Lethal Weapon, Inside Moves. He also did tons of television, including one of the best episodes of The Twilight Zone.
Movies, and art in general, do not age. They stay the same as they always were, unchanging. It's us the audience who age and change.
I like that
And water is wet. Wow. You thought this was deep, that’s a bit adorable.
While this statement seems like a neatly packaged truism, one can quickly start seeing cracks just by being reminded that all relevant art (e.g. paintings, open-air monuments, vinyl) has to be carefully preserved to prevent inevitable disintegration (aka. natural change due to age).
It therefore follows that art is definitely not exonerated from change and it could also be argued that art in general is very much prone to as well as a product of the collective human consciousness. Which too is constantly changing.
So no, nothing is permanent. Change is one of the few irrefutable laws of nature.
@@Geekofriendly also nothing will last forever. We are doomed.
I disagree. Trends in art can become cliche or dated because maybe the artists or movement they were born out of have been copied to death or are no longer relevant
For my teenage mind 1999's "Cruel Intentions" was a masterfully crafted cinema piece lol. Now I feel embarrassed about it.
Masterfully crafted? Obviously not, though a teenager might think so. Full-throttle camp, over the top and entertaining? Oh yeah.
I still like it even if it’s cheesy. I dig the soundtrack and my grandmother owned that car when she was in her 20s.
I don't think films "age badly", what I do think is that certain films come out at the right time so that flawed films, or just mediocre films get a lot more praise than they deserved and then with time people realize that the movies were never that good to begin with; after which the films are just forgotten, or never come up in conversation that much. Films like Grand Canyon, or Crash (not the Cronenberg one), or even Avatar; have all gone through such a reappraisal.
There were murmurings of discontent when Crash came out, and those murmurings grew to a roar. Call it preference falsification in action. People’s desire to virtue signal can override their critical faculties, but when the critical re-evaluation comes, it avalanches.
Avatar wasn't so much critically re-appraised as just forgotten about. For what’s the highest-grossing film of all time, it left almost no imprint on the popular consciousness. People make references to E.T., Indiana Jones, Star Wars, Back To The Future, etc. on a daily basis, but when was the last time you heard anyone make a reference to Avatar?
Gotta say, I love American Beauty. I never found it underwritten or simplistic. Aside from Wes Bentley, I think it’s not just a “good” film, but a really relevant film that tackled boomer/yuppie materialism better than fight club, matrix, American psycho, or office space.
I still like it too, though I agree with the criticism that some of the characters are kind of cardboardish and over the top. As a whole product though with the cinematography, score, (some of) the acting, and tone I think it’s still solid. Did you ever see _Six Feet Under_ on HBO? It was created by Alan Ball also, it’s a great series and better than the film.
No. Not office space.
This was a great video. Can I suggest doing another Disney video but on live action Disney movies. Movies like The Love Bug, Homeward Bound The Incredible Journey, The Parent Trap, or Old Yeller, etc. were movies I watched over and over again when I was younger. I think it would make a great video. Just a thought. Great content!!!
I thought Three Billboards was good but manily due to McDormand's performance. She made the movie really.
Hey deep,
Found your channel after going on a “movies I hate but everyone loves” binge. And even I don’t necessarily agree with some of your opinions? I love hearing different views, so I’m subbing to your channel :)
You should put timestamps in your description. Good stuff as always.
Best thing about 1978 Superman - John Williams.
IMO the back half of Fortress of Solitude is such a wonderful piece of music, like dying and going to the light, if you believe in that sort of thing.
"Scoop" is still great to me. Saw it twice in the theater and several more times on DVD. The first Woody movie I saw was "Annie Hall", back when it was a current hit in theaters in 1977. Didn't get every joke at 12 years old, but still found it hilarious. I've been in a few Woody film discussion groups and can tell you that many of his fans in my age group are caught up in a nostalgic mindset where nothing will ever hold up to the movies they saw when they were first discovering his work. Personally I found all 3 of his British-set films ("Match Point", "Scoop" & "Cassandra's Dream") to be excellent, and all three work together as a sort of loosely connected trilogy that all cover similar themes using different film styles.
Space Jam was a very deflating revisit.
The sequel trilogy was designed from the outset to kill off the legacy characters so the new batch (Rey, Poe, Finn, etc.) could be milked into oblivion. There is no other reason why those films exist in the way that they do. I mean, did anyone shed a tear when Han was run through or when Luke "disappeared"?
If you want to eliminate a beloved character, you better do it with a lot of care and respect, a la Spock in Khan (resurrection notwithstanding). Anything else is a betrayal of the material and a selfish pursuit of a shoehorned agenda.
I think the fans would have been a lot less bitter if they had got one steenkin’ scene of Hans, Leia, and Luke back together on the Millennium Falcon. Rumor has it that just such a scene was left on the cutting room floor.
Great work!
@Maggie, yep, agree with you on the charm of Superman's dated effects that I can now appreciate as an adult. With this particular movie, this charm just feels like a consolation prize that will never replace the wonder I felt when Superman was, of course, real and genuinely flew :-D
In the case of American Beauty It's a concoction of coming out during one of the best times of my life combined with a memorable soundtrack more so than the performances or plot. The power of memorable movie soundtracks and the lifelong emotional bond that can develop accompanying the visuals Is Insane , sadly though great scores feel like a lost art today imo. Thomas Newman Is a wizard at making alot of eclectic memorable stuff imo (Including American Beauty) , he always knew how to tun on that dreamy Instant nostalgia switch. Soundtracks In general have so much to do with the way I felt and still feel about what would otherwise often be far less Impressionable films.
I'm very excited to see 👀 these movies you selected. See if we share similarities....let's do this....
I'll never get tired of Christopher Reeve's performance in Superman, or his chemistry with Margot Kidder.
Great topic.
I would not argue Three Billboards is a great movie but I don't see how anyone could argue that it's meant to be about racism. That seems to be more telling about how the person who thought that thinks about things.
Lol! I thought the same thing. I think the person had a different movie mixed up or something, I don't know. I consider TBBOEM to be a really good movie, tho
Totally agree about Three Billboards; strong acting from the leads, as you'd expect from the likes of Rockwell and McDormand, but that's about it. It reminded me of 21 grams, in that you get the feeling that his obviously very talented foreign director reaaaaally wanted that Oscar and made sure he would tick all the boxes for it, at the expanse of any semblant of sincerity. Felt very manipulative as a result.
I have to disagree about Scoop. I've watched it probably 15 or 20 times and my opinion never really changed. I think about it like a peach sorbet on a hot summer day. It's just so silly and lighthearted, the chemistry between the leads is great, Ian McShane always turns me into butter, and it's a refreshing entry into the murder mystery genre that always puts a smile on my face. Comedies never get taken seriously and Woody's dramas always get elevated in his oeuvre by critics, but I think his ability to make silly and enjoyable films has been drastically underrated. I feel the same way about Bananas, a film that literally no one ever talks about, but I feel is one of the funniest films of all time.
Oh! I'm glad to see that I wasn't the only one who felt American Beauty was overrated. I actually got chewed out at a party when I expressed this sentiment, shortly after the film won all its Oscars.
And why did I get chewed out? Because I said ... "It should have been THE STRAIGHT STORY that swept the awards!"
Considering a movie overrated is not the same as a movie not aging well, you just never liked it. I agree with you but it's not a question of the movie not aging well.
@@voiceover2191 Well, it's all academic.
@@deadstrobe I guess.
Hi dfl nice to meet you. Great channel!
Was wondering about the opposite.. What movies can you appreciate now much more than when you initially saw them?
Personal example: Rise of the Planet of the Apes (2011)
Oh man I looooove SCOOP! One of my favorites of his - super fun imo
I don't really believe in movies not aging well. I believe in aging out of or into a movie, sometimes you need to be in a particular headspace to not enjoy something anymore or begin to see its worth. But movies themselves don't change. These discussions to me always reveal more about a viewer or how we've evolved socially than about the movies in question.
I think we should look at movies in their context in time and space.. First before looking at them through our modern newly perspective
@@mahmoudshaban9009 I do agree with that but "not aging well" is a judgment on quality first and foremost in my opinion. Whenever people use this it's synonymous with the movie not being any good. I'd rather do this and just not use this term to describe it, but that's just me.
Exactly I stopping watching Shawshank Redemption a long time ago because It's too depressing for me personally , even after Andy escapes I never felt any sense of freedom , vindication , or closure , more than the sadness I felt about his endured abuse and years stolen , but I still won't deny the movie Is an artistic masterpiece just because It puts me back and leaves me In a headspace I don't want to be In (Midnight Express Is my personal favorite prison movie of all time).
Here's a different perspective on the ending of Superman where reverses time:
It's established in the film that when kalel arrives on he will be godlike to humans.
It's also established that although he can help the humans he cannot interfere with certain fundamental aspects of their world i.e. time.
"It is forbidden to interfere with human history."
Kalel doesn't seem to really care to be god. He cares for people and longs to be with them and find love like they do.
When lois dies, Kalel manages to do contradictory things at once:
- keep his humanity by reviving the love of his life
-assert his godhood by reversing time.
This was a super ending.
Most if not all Marvel movies are fun on an initial viewing inside a theater but ultimately are dull on a repeat viewings.
My favorite Bond film used to be Goldeneye, I watched it for the first time in about a decade a few months back, I couldn't get through 45 minutes. Don't destroy your fond memories by trying to revisit them.
I have the opposite opinion, it has that timeless 90s bombastic feel. I've grown to like it more when seen in a capsule of that period in action cinema.
I had already SUBSCRIBED by the time you bit into _The Last Jedi_ and then frankly, soundly and LOGICALLY spoke on its (I agree, absolutely unacceptable) _many_ foundational faults, but if I hadn't Subscribed, I would have then. if that makes sense.
because I agree. I hate that movie. I actually hate it, and I don't *hate* very many movies. I guess I'd just never seen a _less_ effective sequel, let alone _second_ movie - the most important one! - to a trilogy that seemed to willfully and gleefully torpedo that entire trilogy right in the propeller. even if we could look past all the ridiculous writing choices, on just a basic plot level that movie effectively stopped any and all momentum for the saga in its tracks. it was a pretty stunning achievement. I don't know if they could have done much worse - I honestly don't know if they could have made a middle chapter that got you _less_ stoked for the final one. hey, even _Matrix Reloaded_ [!] ended on a cliff-hanger. even _Transformers 2_ didn't have anything to build on to begin with.
that crucial middle chapter pumped the breaks _so_ hard that the momentum began to go into reverse somehow.
an amazing, amazing failure on every level that matters most! story, character, plot, structure, stakes, connection, credibility . . . !!
we _should_ study _The Last Jedi,_ and indeed that whole trilogy. they couldn't have muffed that sequel trilogy much worse than they did, and what's _truly_ stunning to me was learning that they actually DID have at least one roadmap already - there was a book series, I believe, that was highly respected by fans that could've served at least as a basis for the sequel trilogy - SOME sort of an endgame, SOME sort of a reasonable arc.
instead they did . . . well, nothing, basically. they had the most beloved IP of all (I believe that) and did absolutely nothing with it. _worse_ than nothing; they actually _hindered_ the previous movies! for a lot of people, they can't watch _Star Wars_ with joy anymore! they de-valued the brand! amazing stuff. legendary for all the wrong reasons.
With Star Wars it baffles me they did nothing with Finn. How do you mess up a story about a storm trooper that grows a conscience and defects from the empire. He could have played such a bigger role. Maybe lead a rebellion of defected Troopers and inspire them to see the Empire for what it is through his actions. So many missed opportunities with the recent movies.
This sounds like what the whole trilogy should’ve been about: Finn’s redemption. Hell, I think Finn would’ve made for a better main character than Rey if they’d taken that direction.
@@tenzinmutuzaki8228 Ya, it's also too bad because Boyega seems very charismatic.
@@tenzinmutuzaki8228 Very true. Finns defection as a stormtrooper could have been perfect. It could show how they get indoctrinated into the empire and a whole struggle to find empathy and individuality in themselves. Eventually Finn gains access to the force some way, some how. Leads a new rebellion with other sormtroopers that follow him and see him as their "NEW HOPE". The old guard (Luke, Leia, Han and Chewie) giving him training, knowledge and possibly a sacrifice along the way. Maybe Han can fear and think Finn is part of the empires elaborate, long-gain plan to infiltrate and destroy them since Finn is so powerful and was a storm trooper. He would eventually prove his worth to him and earn his trust or possibly give his life for him. Thats a full 3 movies with basic character arcs rite there. Not to mention all the things they could have done with Luke instead of shitting on his character. I can go on and on with so many better ideas it baffles me how they let that happen. Sorry for the long reply.
@@dx315 On top of that. There can even be a discussion that the star wars movies might have stunted Boyegas career just a little. I mean he is a good actor and will definitely see him in better roles but these are a huge time sinks for actors to where they cant take any other rolls because the cluster F of the shooting and reshooting on these massive movies.
@@Wulfpack1 Man I wish this was the trilogy we got instead of the one that already exists😭
I really enjoyed the Last Jedi in the theater, but I never saw it again. Now I am scared to rewatch it. When I first watched American Beauty I thought it was ok, whereas a good freind of mine loved it. Years later I rewatched it and then I loved it. Since then I have seen it many times. One thing you noted was that both films are beautifully fillmed and that is a big factor in me loving a movie.
The Last Jedi is better on rewatch imo
I saw and enjoyed it in the theaters as well. I think it's because I really enjoy going to the theaters, and I was getting to see a Star Wars movie for the first time on the big screen as well. But when I remember the story, I realize its not well written, and I'd rather not go back and rewatch, in case I ruin my memory.
Just the backing of Time scene, damn!
No! TLJ is one one the worst movies ever. Period. I’m 60 kiddos. Also a student of Campbell and Lucas. No one has the right to say “this is the direction Star Wars needs to go”. If it’s not Lucas it is not Star Wars. Bye ……..
Why is she on the floor when there’s a perfectly good couch behind her to sit on
A plot hole that makes this video hard to rewatch.
These are the important questions
I have a question what do you think of the Scream movies? I know they're not the best but they're a guilty pleasure of mine and I'm wondering what you think of them
I think the Oscars hurt Three Billboards, prompting critics to see things in it that just weren't there. I saw it as a straight-up black comedy and thoroughly enjoyed it. You're right, it's not on the level of a Cohens' movie, but I don't think it's trash. I wish it had flown under the radar a bit more.
I was 20 when i first saw Scoop it was not good it was never good. Match Point was my first Allen experience and i loved it. Ive seen many of his films now and loved a lot of them
@ 8:30 ''[...] and The Last Jedi, yes I do see it as the final nail in the coffin of Star Wars, as we knew it''. Well, just take a look at the title : ''The LAST Jedi''. I think that should tell you everything you need to know. And I'm not even a fan of Star Wars. But I am certainly a fan of good cinema, and I'm a fan of your channel.
I dug American Beauty in my first year of college. I see it as just Ordinary People with hot sauce now. Election is now my favorite movie of that year.
I’ve never heard you talk about woody Allen movies before you should do a video about them! I liked Scoop and it’s funny but it’s definitely lower tier for him compared to his other films
The Force Awakens is a movie that was pretty well received on release and hasn't aged well since...
The rum diary 😂
Good choice - i remembered really enjoying it in the theater, then i was excited to rent it and re-watch. On second viewing i found it sort of boring and pointless..... now that i write this i am realizing you may be referring to the Depp / Heard element of the film though hahaha
Have you done the opposite? Movies you hated that you have rewatched and now love?
I didn't like Juno when it came out, thought it was super overrated and desperately trying to be hip but then I rewatched it and found it much better as I was more engaged with the story, the jokes, the more subtle aspects of the film.
I didn't like 300 on first watch. Now it's one of my fsvourites
This happens more often with music than movies - for me at least.
I've been waiting for the Sixth Sense to turn up on one of these lists but alas... send me no flowers today.
"Send Me No Flowers" holds up decently, at least- Doris and Rock were an A-1 combo.
Three Billboards is a hugely misunderstood movie, which I believe is the source of the backlash. It's not a drama. It's a black comedy/satire. I'm American, but I feel Americans in general don't get satire. Everything is taken soooo literally. But once we understand the film is supposed to be over-the-top and even surreal, it all starts falling into place. The film is written and directed by a Brit, and they do get satire.
Said perfectly.
Nah it stinks.
9/11 killed genuine irony. Also, reality has made satire irrelevant so people think they're watching an authentic sentiment because it matches what we see in the real world.
@@Theomite I agree with this. James Cameron did say 9/11 ruined any chance for a True Lies sequel.
Brits understand satire for sure but I don’t think you can make an American satire without really understanding the political and social climate that was happening in America at the time
I do remember loving Three Billboards, but I have not watched it since 2018. I will certainly have to rewatch it to give a genuine opinion. I personally don’t like giving opinions on films I have not watched in a long time.
So, I used to love The English Patient….I think that’s enough to show that opinions on films throughout life do change. Still a pretty film to look at certainly, but other than that there’s not much to write home about. I also used to love Crash when it came out when I was 13, but after rewatching it in 2020 I can honestly say I can’t stand it. It gave me a headache and I wanted to chuck my old dvd out of the window. Instead I gave it to a used record and dvd store.
I loved Three Billboards, and I still stand by my opinion. It's a wonderful movie, if you ask me. Re-watch it and let me know your opinion.
The English Patient, oh god where do I even start? That movie is such a huge pile of mess, it doesn't even make sense how it got so many awards. It's pretty to look at, and the acting is really good. But the execution is so off-putting. It was like I was watching a horny couple trying to get laid every chance they could get. I couldn't get past their annoying behavior. I hate that movie.
@@appleipadcrazy I still do need to rewatch it. Since I've just recently seen The Banshees for Inisherin, I'm sure I will rewatch it soon.
Yes. Most of the characters in The English Patient are uninteresting and snobbish, and the execution is terrible. I can understand it winning some of the technical categories such as art direction, but for it to receive everything else....it's a no from me.
@deepfocuslens can you watch and review movie "Haider" an Indian adaptation of Shakespeare's play Hamlet. Also Director Vishal Bhardwaj make a trilogy on Shakespeare's Play.
1. Maqbool(Macbeth)
2. Omkara (Othello)
3. Haider (Hamlet).
I'm going to be hated for this but i watched Goonies recently, which i appreciate so so much from a storytelling pov, but it was a lot of kids yelling over eachother and not a lot of laughs. Im not saying i dislike it but i put so many films ahead of it from my childhood that arent as iconic or talked about as much like Hook, Labyrinth, Lost Boys, Pee Wees Big adventure, big trouble in little china.. in my world it just gets brought up a lot more than these gems 😅
Please review Rushmore!
I actually am completely fine with the ending of Superman because A) it’s hilarious and B) I think it also shows a character flaw of Superman because Jor El tells him don’t alter human history and literally does that. In a way this causes the tragic end of Supermans relationship with Lois Lane in the Donner cut of the sequel.
I enjoyed The Last Jedi when I first saw it at its first midnight showing in the cinema. The only thing I disliked was the whole casino planet sequence.The more I rewatched it, though, the less I liked it. I still like chunks of it (and I love the return of old school Yoda). But the thing that compelled me most was the way in which it subverted all of the storyline threads because it meant I had NO CLUE where the story was gonna go in the third movie. This excited me because I had assumed (falsely) that, because Disney was responsible for the MCU (a.k.a. the king of linking movies of a franchise together), there was definitely a conclusion they had in mind from the get-go. It was going to be a magic trick; it seems like there's nowhere the story can go in an obviously satisfying way and they so nonchalantly discarded every meaningful storyline that the only reason why they would do this is that they know what they're doing and have a super satisfying twist ready for us. Needless to say, after the mess of The Rise of Skywalker, it became apparent that 1. There was no interlocking 3-part arc intended for the three movies, 2. it was treated as three separate movies just with the same characters and no other links, and 3. That Abrams set up a potential 3-movie arc with Force Awakens, Rian Johnson threw all that out and did his own thing, Colin Trevorrow quitting The Rise of Skywalker leaving Abrams to try and cram 2 movies (HIS vision for The Last Jedi AND his vision of Rise of SKywalker, whilst adapting and attempting to "rectify" the damage dealt by Last Jedi) into one and, of course, it didn't work. What I will say is you mention something which is part of an observation I have about the prequels and the sequels: I think that the faults and flaws of the prequels (shitty/corny dialogue, wooden acting, shoddy visual effects, etc) are the strengths of the sequels (solid dialogue, authentic acting, beautifully done special effects/visuals) and the strengths of the prequels (character development, well crafted story arc, solid pacing, etc) are the weaknesses of the sequels (bizarre character development/none at all, no story arc, bewildering pacing, etc). Essay over. Thanks for reading my Theodore Talk.
It's a really interesting topic. I just had this conversation recently when it comes to music, but more in the politically correct aspect and lyrics. Not at all connected, I know, but it's funny how things just change so much in just a decade; whether it be because of having matured and developer finer taste, or just things not being as you remembered.
There's also a degree of the mandela effect going on, having gushed about certain movies with friends, and just being gobsmacked with how wrong you turned out to be hehe. Certain movies just are too cringeworthy to sit through now, for so many reasons.
Only kinda related: When Natalie Imbruglia's "Torn" came out, it was everywhere on the radio. We heard the lyrics but we thought she was being metaphorical. Only with the passage of time have we come around to say "Oh...yeah, it's about rape. It's a catchy tune about being savagely raped to the point of dissociation. And we sang along to it. How did we not notice that?"
@@Theomite Exactly. I think some of it has to do with age; we didn't know wtf they were singing about, we were too busy singing along. Another one is The Knack - My Sharona. Just read the lyrics.. it wouldn't fly today, that's for sure.
Or Suzanne Vega - Luka. There's tons, especially late 80's - early 90's.
I don't think enough time has passed for TLJ.. Many of my friends hated it then, and more so now. That's like, leaving a rotten egg out in the sun, it was rotten then, now it's just had time to warm up.
IMO, it's fine. Actually, it's my favourite in the new trilogy, by at least 16.43% compared with the 2nd lowest.
It's flawed, yes.. But I heard many people's complaint about how Finn's story goes nowhere.. I thought that was fine, he feels let down and so do we that nothing was achieved.
And then, people complained (mostly on youtube, in the Nerd Squad type channels) saying "why didn't Holdo tell Poe the plans? He could've helped". I mean. I love Laura Dern.. She could do anything and I'd still love her.
I really loved Three Billboards and still do, but the criticisms are valid. It just clicked with me as an entertaining film.
Probably an obvious choice but Garden State. It came out when it was 17 and the idea that all you needed was a pretty girl to show you the magic of life was an appealing one.
Now I realise how swallow that world view is. Look in not going to object if Natalie Portman wants to date me but I know I won't find personal happiness or fulfilment through her, you need to find it in yourself.
In my opinion, the key elements that made "Superman" great are Christopher Reeve and the score. Reeve was so genuine in how he played this powerful figure who really does just want to help. John Williams' main theme for that movie is my favorite Williams piece of them all. The way he captured the heroism and hope of Superman in the music is just perfect.
"Animal House". I used to think it was hilarious. Now, I cringe so much I turn inside out. These characters we're supposed to cheer for are such terrible people.
That was the case with the National Lampoon films in general.
I'm not sure I'd lump in The Matrix with American Beauty, those films are very different thematically. Fight Club is a little closer, but much more sophisticated than American Beauty. Similar films that tackle that subject matter are Blue Velvet and Donnie Darko. American Beauty is the least esoteric film on that list, and given Kevin Spacey, any legacy that film has is now tarnished. So I agree, it's hard to recommend that movie now.
Yes, Donnie Darko feels like a better film than American Beauty now.
...I've seen your video. As always- it was Terrific... my thoughts...
1. Superman. All my friends saw this before me. At the theater. I saw it on HBO. my friends bragged how great it was- even the ending. I watched it & you're right- the cinematography, the shots where there is a filter softening scenes (including Lois Kane) makes the film look & feel like a comic book movie. But, when I saw the movie's ending logic went right out the window. That's not how time travel works, or physics. It was awful & neatly ruined the film for me. The nail in the coffin- the bad guy. The movie really could've used a scarier, more dangerous adversary. The fact Lex Luthor, a criminal genius, would have an idiot of a side kick was too much. As a kid, yeah I could tolerate this. Not anymore. The time travel bit ruins everything. I thoughtvthe sequel was better although there were a few head scratching scenes. But it's like- oh, bad guys kicking your butt? Spin the earth back & Time travel. Here's where I roll my eyes 🙄.
Last Jedi. Entertained me the first time. (Caught up in the spectacle) 2nd watch- unbelievable how I sat through 5 minutes of this trash fire. The post trilogy are 3 of the worst film of all time. I didn't even waste my time on ROS after the LJ debacle.
I'd like to see more on this subject.
American Beauty. For some reason I loved this film & my 2nd viewing took took my mother to see this film. Over rated. I like how it shows that every family is dysfunctional in some way & we hide it so well. But that's it. It's all surface. People jump to conclusions & people get shot. A movie of its time. No lasting impression. O well.
Yeah, Mac & me a good contender. The Poltergeist remake- with, Surorise..Surprise... Sam Rockwell. Doesn't hold up. Not even SR could have saves this garbage.
Seven billboards. I remember The actress winning g the Oscar saying the ever Woke buzz word "inclusive" aged this movie like the villain Walter Donovan In Indiana Jones & the Last Crusade. There is no inclusivity in most of Frances Mcdormands films.
And there's no room. For this dated film in my library.
@@CRM-114 I will.
What Superman does which I think carries it past a lot of its sillier or more cliched aspects is they a terrific job of imagining how it is to be Superman in this world, in many ways, a more sympathetic and firmly etched arc of character than I have seen in just about any other superhero film. It is what makes the oft-criticized "turning back the world" ending work so well for me; not logically, but emotionally (especially in contrast to the beautiful scene where he is powerless as his father passes away).
It's mediocre tbh
Superman is in my top five superhero movies. It set an A level standard, and lifted comic book movies above the b-movie standard they were always mired in. Yes, a lot of it is of it’s time and capabilities. Where I’ve always had an issue with it is the sexist treatment of Ms. Teshmiere. That attitude was all over the seventies.
@@ganganthefatman1382 Not to me, tbh. :)
@@donsimpsonshead8809 Yes, although I loved the comic chemistry between those three (Hackman, Perrine, Beatty). You had three Academy Award nominated actors who could really pull off the timing of the dialogue and the physical comedy (when I was young, I thought Ned Beatty WAS that buffoon, until I saw his other work of the time and realized what a finely crafted performance Otis was). Plus, I don't know how it was on the set, but they seemed like they were having a ball playing off of each other.
"Miss Tessmacher, when I was six years old, my father told me--"
" 'Get out!' "
"Ha ha ha. BEFORE that..."
@@stevenwatchorn9816 Superman and Superman 2 have aged superbly.
Three Billboards is misunderstood, the film explores hate and anger, and how showing love or understanding can change a person as shown through all the characters dealing with hate. Its not a film about racism, racism is shown as a form of hate
I LOVE your remarks about "Superman"; I don't know what the commenter is talking about, especially after watching multiple reaction videos for it, I think it holds up fantastic. For me, it's what a comic book movie should be: for the kids AND the adults. PLUS: It has Gene Hackman as Lex Luther. If there is ONE reason that "Superman" is great, it's his hilarious performance! Thanks for defending this special movie; they're STILL doing nothing but origin stories.....a legacy from this film, and this film only. When we went and saw it, we were SURPRISED to get Superman's origin story. We thought it was going to be like the Batman/Superman/Spiderman cartoons: they just "were", we didn't wonder where they came from!
Superman is one of those movies that stands on its own and would've been a classic even without the sequels.
@@maximusprime3459 Absolutley. In fact, i don't think much of the sequels. In fact, MOST sequels of ANY movie I don't think much of.
Breakfast at Tiffany's, great movie, but Mickey Rooney doing yellowface is kinda a nightmare to have to watch.
Oh, please, he's only in there for a couple minutes.
@@hoibsh21 hence why I said "Great Movie"
@@zachmontminy Ya, it still would be a great movie even if Mickey Rooney was Holly's love interest!
@@hoibsh21 It sucks
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Oh my gosh, I loved your "Scoop" story (and the commenter) Ha! Fascinating!!! Yeah, it's not A-list Woody for sure.. Woody got into this thing in his later career: he writes his first draft, gives it a once-over.....and then shoots it. Kinda lazy, if you ask me. / And couldn't agree more about "American Beauty"! "Election" came out the same year.....WAY better social satire that touches on some of the same themes. I thought "American Beauty" was grossly overrated when it came out and I'm happy to see it maligned! I remember driving with a yuppie friend and we passed a paper bag blowing in the wind and he said, wistfully: "Look.....it's an American beauty". I thought, give me a break, lol. How shallow can you be. (Plus it's already the title of an iconic album. It's like calling your movie "Abbey Road" or "Houses Of The Holy", lol)
The movie, in spite of itself, ends up trivializing the spontaneous aesthetic experience. Here’s a kid who manages to glimpse the transcendent in the mundane… of course, he’s a drug dealer!
I've never seen a movie that I now consider not to have aged well. My opinion about a movie can change or my appreciation changes as in liking it for different reasons, but if I ever liked a movie, even those I saw as a child, I can still enjoy them.
The late Star Wars movies have not aged badly, they were shit from the get go, does not make the original ones any worse, just makes you sad that they were payed so little respect by the creators of the (hopefully) final trilogy.
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Bridge on the River Kwai for me.
I know that's blasphemy but rewatched it recently and it creaks really badly.
The side story takes up too much of the running time
Superman does have a slight plot hole at the end with the time travel twist...but he saves Lois and that is what makes it emotionally true. Superman II is still somewhat better. American Beauty needed to be confrontational about the American family unit at that time - so, yes, you can't be too subtle when you are being confrontational. I would like to hear your choices of films that have not aged well.
The whole “my prosperous, stable, middle-class life leaves me feeling unfulfilled” genre from the '80s and '90s hasn’t aged well for obvious reasons. If Zoomers ever uncover re-runs of Married With Children, what will actually offend them is the fact that Al Bundy works in a shoe store, and manages to put a roof over the head of his stay-at-home wife and two teenage children.
Kind of agree with you on Superman. Love the movie but the end is a huge plothole. The Last Jedi was a movie that I came home, started thinking about it and something wasn't right and it really got me obsessed with the online community reviewing and criticizing scifi and comic book movies. Now I can't unsee it and its unfortunate because I used to be a blissful fan
"Superman", "Scoop", and "American Beauty" all still hold up perfectly fine for me. And of the three, I'll never understand why movie buffs turned against "American Beauty". With "Superman" it a super hero movie and is seen a old fashioned against all the new competition. With "Scoop", there have always been Woody Allen haters who will knock anything he does, either because of his personal controversies or because they just genuinely don't like his movie style (which is admittedly not for everyone). But with "American Beauty" the conversations on movie forums seemed to change from praise and scorn overnight, and I strongly disagree with all of the criticisms that it's now tainted with.
I agree with you 1000% about 3 Billboards. It may be my most hated movie ever. There are no likeable characters at all.
Idk *three billboards outside ebbing Missouri* is one my faves
Back to the Future 2 did not age well because we are in the bad timeline.
That movie annoys me. Stick with the original.
And I also thought Three Billboards was pretty bad. I actually saw it twice because I honestly figured I must’ve missed something and it was even worse on the second outing.
JJ Abrams and his influence on the industry is just the worst.
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Troy-2004 would be my pick. After first seeing it as preteen, it quickly became one of my favorite movies. I was mesmerized by it's scale and equally epic score. It's multiple lengthy battle sequences we're also enthralling, and reminded me of the Lord of the Rings. Upon revisiting the film in recent years, I was disappointed to realize how poorly written the characters are and how melodramatic the story is. It also seems disjointed and bloated as if it's being crushed under the weight of it's own ambition. Though I don't think Troy is awful, it's certainly a far cry from the masterpiece I remember.
It's also a really claustrophobic film. Like lots of big movies from the '00s, it's a big epic with no real sense of scale beyond big CGI shots. Everything is on the ground and shot low so you can't see the sky. A huge epic where you can't get any sense of scale. Watch LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, the world feels enormous.
Troy is actually amazing. In a lot of ways it is better than the source material. In others not so much. I think you have largely failed to understand the point of the story. It isn’t meant to be an epic to the same degree as the Iliad. It would be impossible to completely adapt the Iliad into film, so they chose to focus primarily on two characters, Achilles and Hector. The film is largely about these two men and their differences in philosophy and motivation. These are two of the most famous literary figures to exist throughout history. I don’t see how you could say the characters are poorly written. As for being melodramatic, it’s based on a poem/greek tragedy. It’s supposed to be that way. The film does take certain liberties, but this is largely for the best. There are lines in the film that are better written than anything from Homer. In the Iliad, the gods also play a massive role and literally interfere in the lives of humans. In the film, they are believed to exist, but this is only a belief, they play absolutely no part in the story outside of superstition. Even though it’s adapted from a story that most people are aware of, they made it their own and it turned out excellent. If you are comparing it to Lord of the Rings, that is where you are going wrong.
@@jimothy9943 Actually, I would argue that if you're trying to adapt the story authentically, it would have to resemble LOTR on account of the factors of destiny and divine intervention. TROY was attempting to tell the myth as history (or at least historical fiction) and that's not really improving on the story--it would be like adapting _Don Quixote_ as a surrealist drama about mental illness instead of a slapstick fart-joke movie for intellectuals (which the book is).
But you have several good points, especially about Achilles and Hector. But I would add that Helen and Paris get the short end of the plot stick despite being the cause for the whole war in the first place.
Either way, my issue was about the aesthetic choices. I felt they distracted from the drama too thoroughly. Look at how Ridley Scott treated GLADIATOR just 4 years earlier and did it right by making the world a large and lived-in place.
@@Theomite "If you're trying to adapt the story authentically, it would have to resemble LOTR". This is just ignoring everything I was saying. They were not trying to adapt the story authentically, and if they were it would have been doomed to fail. It's already almost 3 hours long and the directors cut is over 3 hours, yet most of the Illiad didnt feature at all in the film. It had to be streamlined or else it would of been 10+ hours. To truly adapt the Illiad it would need to be a series.
Helen and Paris got the short end of the stick, because as I said the movie is meant to be about the differences between Achilles and Hector. Spending more time on Helen and Paris would do nothing to serve the story they were actually trying to tell.
If you have problems with the asethetics that is entirely your business. I think they did a fantastic job, outside of everyone being big name hollywood actors and all speaking English. Mentioning Gladiator is not going to help your case. Every single criticism that you or OP have of Troy is present in Gladiator and is far more egregious. They didnt even have a finished script when they started filming Gladiator. That movie is a complete and utter mess.
Superman from the eighties with no CGI looks and feels refreshing compared to nowadays superhero movies. CGI wants to look real but isn't at this point yet, and it's overdone. Superman's pace is also much slower. The dramaturgy that almost every superhero/comic movie is using with ramping up the action and CGI at the end of the movie gets really boring. Superhero flicks are not movies in a traditional sense, they're more like theme parks.
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A lot of Spielberg movies. Indiana, Ryan, Close Encounters. Very reliant on special effects and not much story.
Disagree about American Beauty.
Braveheart. Loved it a lot when it came out but not as much now.
Titanic. Watched it recently and the dialogue was so bad! for about 40 mins they just yell Jack! Rose! Jack! Rose! and some of the cgi does not look good.
You are right about Braveheart. I was really disappointed when I rewatched it about 7 years ago. The battle scenes are the only thing that has lasted well.
The only really funny scene in Scoop for me was when Woody is driving on the wrong side of the road. I mean, I was 33 when it came out, so I'd seen sooooo many Woody Allen films by that point.
I'm not a Star Wars person (have not seen any of original films or prequels in full, and none of the newer stuff) but it's pretty bad when the Last Jedi didn't age well when it's only 5 years old. Oy. And even worse for Three Billboards...that's even younger. (Another one I haven't seen.)
What is it about newer movies that age quickly?
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I find that the movies that "age worst" or those that TRY to be MODERN "HIP" and "RELEVANT" in the first place.
First Superman has best first 40 minutes than any comic book ever made. Rest is little bit silly i agree
3 billboards was fantastic, last jedi sucked, superman will always be awesome if your mind allows you to understand its 1978
"The Witches'" from 1990 was bonkers to me back then; I watch it now and the absurdity is too much. I can't get over how they used the kitchen utensils to exterminate the mice. Good ole' Jim Henson. Who was this movie made for anyway? Pretty twisted stuff.
It's Nicholas Roeg directing a Roald Dahl adaptation! Of course it will be dark and twisted.
That was a childhood favorite and I think it held up when I revisited a couple years ago. Pretty strange movie that falls in between two demographics: kids and adults. And I love Rowan Atkinson
you could add Into the Wild to the list.
Mission Impossible II - I remember seeing it in the cinema and totally loved the more action orientated direction that it took the series.. however every sequel has done it better so now it's pretty much considered the worst of the whole series and hasn't aged well at all.
I think the 1978 Superman has one of the best first acts in any movie, but yes, the wheels definitely start falling off at the end.
I've never seen Scoop, but Woody Allen's movies haven't aged well for me because as I grow older and more into adulthood, I really can't relate to any characters in any of his films. I still enjoy the earlier, funnier ones.
I totally agree with the surface level nature of American Beauty. Great performances though, but it ultimately thematically vapid. In fact, a lot of movies made around that time didn't age well for similar reasons.
I never liked Three Billboards; its way too over the top. Everybody's doing a good job in it, but its definitely very surface level and pandering while being extremely unrealistic while trying to come off as realistic. I actually don't understand why it wasn't torn to shreds for its sloppy writing and preaching.
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The Last Jedi for me was way worse than i ever thought,, i watched movies like crazy since 1997,, TLJ made me hate films like no other movie could ever do!! after 2017 i started watching Anime and TV shows and lost hope for movies,, my love for movies was never restored since TLJ and i'll never forgive Rian Johnson for that.
Someone once said, “The last Jedi was the first movie I’ve ever seen where I felt the director hated the audience.”
The problem with modern films is that they are too self important bordering on pretentious. The best movies are FUN, that are still very rewatchable today. Back to the Future, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Jaws, Star Wars '77, Raiders of the Lost Ark, etc. Spielberg and Lucas knew what they were doing and knew how to ENTERTAIN you. Movies should be an escape from reality. Or at least a positive fun experience that leaves you in a good mood like Bueller does.
When I saw 3 Billboards at the time, I really loved the performances and didn't look back on it till it was mentioned. I'd say the film is just fine, as the initial impact I felt then probably could not be replicated again, which goes without saying. I did enjoy the homor and dramedy aspects of them, as I do like when films could do either one of those tones quite well in my subjective opinion.
For last jedi, that one was such a beautiful, big budget train wreck of a film, even when I seen it during Christmas xD
Three Billboards was always crappy in my opinion - I never understood the respect it got...best picture at BAFTA?
@@michaelz9892 I never really felt it was worthy of getting awards, just a one and done experience