The Philodo H8 All wheel Drive!
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- čas přidán 8. 01. 2023
- Review of the Philodo H8 ALL WHEEL DRIVE eBIKE! This bike is amazing for the price and is being put through the test with more than average mountain rides. Be sure to check out the speed on flat ground!
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I love mine. Over 4,000 miles and still going strong.😀
nice!
I think you have over 12,000 miles now as of 4-20-2024.
Man I wanted to be the first to review this bike. Just starting my channel and ran in to delays getting my camera stuff (christmas shipping delays) and by the time I got everything the bomb cyclone hit SoCal. I had one day with no rain filmed 2 hours of footage and lost it during transfer. Now I gotta wait till the rain stops to film it again. hopefully my review will be up next weekend. Good review check out mine when it's up.
Did you ever make the video?
You were smart to get this bike and review it first . Good move lol
My friend has an 750W e-bike that he loaned my on a trail ride in the Black Hills, SD. I was very impressed. This design is doubly intriguing.
I have been waiting for a review of this bike for months. Thanks Johnny.
thanks guy, was looking for review
I can't wait ti get mine in black and white its gonna be dope i love that the horn is extra loud
Finally a review thanks I bought one a month ago and love it glad you explained how the front motor works, really handy for crawling over a log or getting out of a deep rut and snow . I bought the adjustable handle bar stem but haven’t installed it yet , rad Ballard bags hang on rear rack perfect, I was leaning towards a rad 6 plus but glad I got the H8 you are so right when it comes to a steep grade with this bike over a 750 rear hub motor .
Just assembled mine. Fn awesome bike for price. Live 2 blocks from beach and 2 blocks from mountains. This bike does it. The power of the front wheel to pull out of sand or climb steep gravely hills is akin to the old Husqvarna 250 Cross. This H8 independent 2WD with two 1000W motors and a 48V 22AhHr battery will get you there. It's NOT a hard-core, carbon fiber trail bike with optional seat, but it can handle those trails. I'm already looking to beef up the brakes, currently 180mm rotors 2 piston hydraulics to a 210+mm, 4 piston brake. The power and weight of this is solid and fun to ride. The Lcd display also has 5 display modes: Odometer,trip od, timer, max and average speed. Great video.
Thanks. I upgraded to the CooMeng Zoom quad pistons with ceramic pads. Couldn't be happier with 'em. Stayed with 180mm rotors.
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Did you need to bleed or add mineral oil to the stock breaks? How do they compare to the upgrade? New to biking and waiting for my H8 to come in the mail.
@@landonhafen2046 no, the brakes are good to go on every bike. Philodo did provide a brake bleed kit and mineral oil with the tools they give ya. Never seen that before! You are gonna love the way this front motor/throttle is set up. Saves battery this way too
@@johnnysezebike1319 amazing, thanks for the info!
What's the price?
So far knock on wood, the h8 seems to be extremely reliable and not a nuisance. It’s got enough power to get me to 37 mph, hydraulic brakes so that they’re actually useful and safer. As a car guy who likes power, the little e bike definitely puts a smile on my face. My 23 wrx is more fun, but this is so fun in the snow and on dirt roads and paths. I put a suspension seat post with a seat with springs and a seat that I find comfy. So far I’ve got nothing bad to say about it. Great little e bike for the middle of nowhere to have some fun.
My second one had even better brakes and also added suspension seat posts. Big difference. Love how everyone laughs when the front wheel spins out on take off. Enjoy!
I'm a Dual Yoke fork fan as well,, it's just too much twisted torque on any bike just braking.
Now add weight transfer during braking,, entire load just landed on front axle, hoping yoke can take a joke.
One thing for sure, my single yoke front end mountain bike forks are basically worthless,
being you feel everything under a 3" drop off a curb. 1" drop at end of driveway,,, Bam, hurts like hell.
About the only true front suspension that can absorb running over a pencil, are trailing link - and springer forks,
like my Honda 50 had in the sixties. They were perfect.
Granted fat tires will do most of it.
Cheers
The biggest worry I have with these is the inherent weakness of these single crown telescopic front forks, they handle normal offroad bicycling fairly well, but when you add a front motor its applying a bending load to the crown joints and they have been known to fail with higher motor powers after repeated hard launches. It might not become an issue if the controller has low enough settings so even when you crank the throttle to maximum instantly it won't give you maximum torque. Edit: I'd suggest looking into double crown front ends, I'm sure there are now some more affordable options available, thanks to the popularity of cheap motocross style e-bikes.
They seem to be doing well, don't jinx me lmao. I'm a fan of Double Crown forks and it's a typical upgrade on all my bikes, once I beat the stock ones up. They have to be able to handle the torque and add torque arms to be sure. Controllers are 22a and strong enough to get me up the biggest hills I can find so no need to mess with it. For the price I paid, the fork upgrade still has it around 2k making it a great deal. Great points
@@johnnysezebike1319 I have no idea on front double crown upgrades. any recommendations on what you would upgrade too?
Checking them out and looking to bikes that have geared front motors on them already like Ecells Crown Monarch and others. What's interesting is the inverted forks are looking more promising on ebikes and have been big on motorcycles from what I've seen so there's even more to look into. I'll definitely post a video when I get one to try. Let me know if you find anything too! @@rabbithomesteading3797
I have this bike. Super fast shipping. I am 5'-11" 260lds. This bad boy flys, I love it. Got it on special Am a zon. I ride it every day.
Only hitch i ran into was the back rack. Had to use old man strength to get it to align with the screws.
Still 5 of 5 stars. Battery size is perfect. Has a nice kick 0 to ...30... i mean 20..mph in seconds. It for sure will not reach 31.8 mph if you duck down for aerodynamics.
It has a 29in wheel. Am zon said 26. Good thing im tall. 😁. Just in love with the thing. Great tutorials too. Just making my way down town... all day.
This is just like my dream machine awesome
After a lipo battery fire roasted my 96 chevy truck interior, I decided to buy one of these instead of a new truck. (I plan to rebuild the truck this spring since the fire didn't get into the dash or engine compartment.)
Since I live less than 3 miles from work this bike seemes like a great solution! I'm also kinda stoked to not constantly feed that 5.9 dinosaur juice guzzler!
From all the videos I've seen I think I'm gonna love it!
I also fly FPV drones and I'm extremely excited to fly many of the local locations I simply can't drive to in my truck!
I paid about $1500 (with tax) and it gets here this Friday!
Thanks for the review!
Sorry to hear about the truck and glad you'll have a much cheaper ride to work. Def more fun. I'm sure you'll enjoy the bike and thanks for the kind words!
I'm sold I ordered one . I'm not small 280 6 2 seems like this is a good bike for big and tall people. I'm going to use it mostly for trail riding so I think it will do great.
What’s you top speed! My H8 barely hits28.8mph. I hit 30mph once going downhill. I’m totally pissed i bought this and sold my Aventon Aventure which imo had more hill climbing power with one rear 750w peak 1130w motor
@@ChristopherF_1971 My top speed is 34 on both mine. Maybe check the PO settings? Seems odd.
Nice bike brother!!!!!!!!!! Great purchase!!!!!
Thanks 👍 def a blast.
Branches breaking sound squatchy to me?
Seems like a cool bike! Nice review!
You and me both! Had a bear block the trail once. Used marine air horn to dispatch it.
TY!
My h7 was delivered last week, my other e bike is 250w.
Going up to 1000w makes a huge difference.
I'd be interested to compare your bike to mine , those chunky tires are noisy on the road though !
That's a huge difference, wow.
Planning on converting a 750w Eiwol motor to 1000w Bafang system, possible live event for folks to chime in.
@@johnnysezebike1319 I'm pretty impressed by mine, but in the future its gonna have to be way bigger than 1000w....🤪 the difficulty is, once you get used to that power you just need more 🤣
The easiest way to open up the ends of the handlebar so you can use in cap Mirrors or Wing Signal Lights on the end of your handlebar is to get a socket the same size or slightly smaller then the diameter of your handlebar ends.. You just heat the socket slightly with a blowtorch it will melt a perfectly round circle so you can access the the ends of your handlebars to install whatever you want with No Cutting..
👊 That's some MacGyver stuff there! Awesome tip, thanks!
@@johnnysezebike1319 I'm a new subscriber to your Channel, Great Video and awesome ebike..
@@frontier9142 Thanks! They should get better with experience. I plan on doing a live show of a 1000w Bafang hub motor upgrade on one of my other bikes in the next few weeks. I'll post the date in a day or so.
Ooooh. I understand now
Thanks
After carefully studying the specs of over twenty e-bikes for $2000 or less, I am coming back to the Philodo H8 because I weight 265 lbs., and NOT avid biker due to biking having a tendency to pull and damage tendons in my knees, so I need good pedal assist to ride where I want to most of all, on trails through scenic countryside. I am much stronger at hiking mountains than biking due to the muscle and bone structure God granted me. The only things the H8 needs added are a Cloud Nine seat, rear suspension, improved quality shocks in the front forks, internally routed cabling for better protection of the conductors, and other electronic components are exposed and a tad more vulnerable. I like the fact that the front motor is only used upon demand with the throttle; perfect for hill climbs. Some of these things could be improved upon in my shop, others can not, but for the price, the H8 appears to provide more than any other bike under $2K.
Great post. Seats tend to be a personal preference and it's hit or miss on any stock seat so I keep several styles on hand for different riders. Rear suspension would have been nice and would drive up the cost, same with branded forks, which have to be able to handle the torque. I'm all about double-crown forks so I generally upgrade my bikes to them, after I beat the crap out of 'em lol. Internal routing is protection and cleaner. I just upgraded to quad brakes and it was a breeze. I haven't had any issues with the wiring and riding pretty overgrown trails. Everything you listed would make it ideal. eCell Super Monarch has all the good stuff (dual 750w) and is about 5 grand.
@@johnnysezebike1319 I am trying to keep it around $2K, but really want to know what upgrades to the Philodo H8 YOU think are worthwhile. Accessorizing is fun but it does cost money, so I'd like to learn those changes the really improve the bike, such as a cassette that has one really high gear so you don't ghost pedal, or an easy battery or even a controller upgrade that outputs higher current. Can forks be replaced? I can't find a forum that talks about the H8 much less one that discusses upgrades in specific detail. Anxious to hear back from you!
@@DARIVSARCHITECTVS I usually upgrade all my brakes at around 700 miles to Coomeng Zoom Quad pistons due to the abuse from going down 4,500' mountain. That's extreme so they shouldn't have to be changed for some time with regular use. While I love double-crown forks, prob wouldn't be changing them for some time unless an issue pops up. They also have to be able to handle the torque. Def not looking to change controller as this has more than enough power as is. I posted a vid of climbing 400' in .5 mile and it was a joke. Now the only thing I would add to my bikes are a rack battery with dual battery parallel connector, which I got from Area13. I change alot of stuff on my other bikes but this one is staying as is for the long haul.
@@johnnysezebike1319 Thanks!!! Those are such useful tips!
I road this bike and gawd lordy is freakin badass.
Great idea with the air horn. That's cool scenery and nice bike.
I currently have a 1kw rear ebike and thinking of adding another 500w system to the front. Do you think that's a good balance for power, or should I go 1kw front as well?
TY TY! That's what I'm going to try on another bike I have. Upgraded from unbranded 750w to 1000w Bafang rear hub. Does 35mph on flat but wont climb hills so I'm adding front motor. It's just to assist when I need that extra push. 500w seems like it would be enough but 750 would be sick. Good forks are key for sure.
@@johnnysezebike1319 Nice. My cheap 1000w will do 31mph on a flat surface. Pretty much decided on 500w for the front, just for those hills and maybe some more fun with accel. Happy Riding!
I have been researching and planning to DIY an e-bike however, after seeing this review I may just go with this. There is no way I could build a bike like this for less. Unfortunately, here in Florida, 750w and 28mph on PAS is the max legal performance for an e-bike. I would be using it to commute on work days and hit the trails/run errands on days off. Not sure if I could talk my way out of a citation with those dual motors, plenty of Karen’s around here just waiting to call me in lol!
I hear ya. With everything going on these days, ebikes are the least of our worries. Most law enforcement know the priorities and ebikes aren't one of 'em. Any citation should be for those who waste their valuable time. On roads I keep PAS on 4 (28mh) and only use front motor for hills way off the roads. If that bothers someone, they should ask their Dr. what meds might be right for them.
@@johnnysezebike1319 Agreed that enforcing e-bike regulations should be pretty low on the priority scale. I intend to ride responsibly when on multi-use paths and be respectful. Unfortunately, there seem to be a lot of “dirt e-bikes” with pedals out there drawing the wrong attention by running 50mph down shared paths. Now we have e-bike cops riding around checking everyone out.
If the cops chase you.... just turn it up to speed 5 😂
This is the perfect bike for me. Right now I have the ecotric Hammer bike. Well it has a thousand watt motor but some hills it can't make it up when I'm towing my wagon going camping. It's too bad you can't turn off one motor and just use the throttle and use the front if you need it but there must be a way
That's not Bafang motor right? I just got my Bafang 1000w conversion kit today. Going to replace Bee Cool Adventurer 750 Eiwol motor with it. Prob be doing it live in like 2 weeks.
@@johnnysezebike1319 the motor is not labeled. I can tell it's more than 1,000 it's not just 1000 Watt peak. Because I unlocked it and when I'm going 25 it slows down. The batteries for my bike I could use them on that one somehow cuz it's 48 volt. In my situation I'd rather have the torque and go 20. I know the people who own the company are in the United States but it's made in China Hammer bike. The 2020 generation had 1,000 now its 7:50. Having one leg the bike is so good to have it makes me free I don't even have a license I couldn't afford a car anyway. I live in New York and I don't think everybody should have to get rid of cars and gas stoves and all the trying to do here but eventually the technology will catch up. I love my e-bike
Interesting, I’ll have to compare it to the Ariel rider Kepler that’s on my radar.
Just sold my Aventon Aventure step over for this bike. Had my eyes on this for a while. Decided it’s time to get into AWD e-bikes. I was looking at the E-cell 1500w as well but my goodness!$5,698.00 seems a little high but it does carry some nice components. It’s no where near as fast as this bike at least I don’t think but anyway I turned away from the ecell bikes especially when there finance company turned me down even though I have almost perfect CC scores. Lol. I’m 5’11 256Lbs and the Aventon Aventure got me around just fine but I struggled on most hills unfortunately. I’ve got really bad legs and broke my back a couple times so hopefully this bike does them hills better. I was wondering how powerful is the tail light. Is it bright? I upgraded the one on my aventon to a cheap Amazon tail /brake light and I’ll probably get another for this bike since that tiny one that’s on this bike doesn’t look like it would be very bright.
For the price it's great to have that front throttle/motor to kick in when you need it to get to speed quick or up hills as I ride. Check out the video of it climbing 150'. At the top you'll see my buddy with his ecell. The rear light is standard brightness, the brake light is bright, and I always add a few extra lights so no one can say "I didn't see him"
Unique set up.. 28 plus amp controllers would be more inline with 1,000 watt motors. 22 amp sounds like 750 watt nominal motor controllers.
Exactly. That's what I have in 750 bikes, Vtuvia has a 25, Cyrusher 900 has 22, but my new Bafang 1000w hub has 30a controller and programmable. I'm going to ask them if they can provide an upgrade.
@@johnnysezebike1319 that's perfect
Yes but this has a controller for each motor and most ebike motors are barely 80% efficiencient.
Hello that's an interesting video, i was wondering could you possibly give me some advice, i have just bought the keteles k800 2000w duel motor,i think it is similar to yours but im having a couple of issues, the back wheel and sprocket seem buckeled, the bike I at a standstill with no one on it, when i twist the throttle the rear wheel jerks forward then stops, is your bike the same. Thanks
Sorry to hear that and not normal. if wheel and sprocket are buckled it sounds damaged. Definitively contact the company and see if they can help. I would think the front wheel would spin when you hit the throttle. They are very similar bikes as I've seen one out there. Good luck with that and I hope they're responsive.
@@johnnysezebike1319 hello. Tks for getting back, I have rode the bike and it does ride in rear wheel drive but I don't know if it is riding properly, do you think is it actually normal for the rear wheel to jerk then stop whilst stationary and no one on it , and giving the throttle, but when you lift the rear wheel off the ground it spins , the side movement in the rim and sprocket is slight but obvious, does your bike do the same thing, regardless of the buckle. Thanks again
The jerking doesn't sound normal. Have you tried changing the PAS engagement setting? There should be a setting where it determines the number of rotations before it kicks in. If it's set to the most instant it might give the effect of bucking especially at higher PAS levels. Just a thought. Other wise it's hard to know without seeing it. I'm JonnySezEbike on FB and IG where you can post a video in a reply. @@martinmorgan8475
@@johnnysezebike1319 hello. The display I think is Yolin YL81F coloured display, I didn't get any instructions on it, I thought if I could get it to the factory settings, but not sure how. Tks
nice bike health to enjoy
Can you give a link for the handle bar extension and blue tooth speaker?
Sure can. The speaker is: a.co/d/dzA5ixZ
Speaker holder: a.co/d/6ZtcldY
Adjustable Stem: a.co/d/82ykHko
The speaker is awesome, best sound out of several tried. Enjoy!
I just bought one. I want to hook up a dual battery config. I already purchased the battery blender, but are the two controllers wired from a split connection from the battery? I'll put the second battery on the rear rack.
That's exactly what I want to do. Got 25 miles from battery yesterday but there were a lot of steep climbs and I was throttle happy on em for sure, and I wanted to keep goin.
I can't remember how it was wired so I'll check that out again, this time with photos/video for future reference. Send me a link to the blender if you have one, thanks!
Double Li-ion Battery pack Discharge Converter For Ebike 30A Dual Battery Pack Switch Balance discharger 24-72VDC from aliexpress
How did that upgrade work out for you? Looking to do the same thing At some point
@@landonhafen2046 I got the dual battery parallel connector from Area13 ebikes. Here's the video explaining it. Still have to get rack battery and three cradles (battery port) to put on other bikes and be able to swap extra battery on all bikes 👊 czcams.com/video/9zILIYZwDAE/video.html
@@johnnysezebike1319 great video, thanks for sharing!
How did you install the mirror I got mine today and I want to know how to do it thanks 👍
Undo the clamp on the base and wrap it around the handlebars. I only use left side and they tend to slide a lot so I used rubber tape on the handlebar so the plastic spacers don't slip.
Hi Johnny. Its August 2023. How's the Philodo H8 holding up? Would you recommend buying it or is it falling apart? Loose magnets? Dead motor? Please let me know. Thanks, I'm considering buying it but not sure of its reliability .
I can attest to my experience and I have 2 with close to 1k miles each and so far so good! I def ride 'em hard and mostly in the mountains. Been through many streams and even a hard crash on one and still rockin so I'm pretty happy with them. My FB and IG also have some reels of rides showing the stuff I put em thru. This one is a fun climb!
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This discount code might work if they haven't changed anything. bike100
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I saw these on Amazon but didn’t see any reviews . Am wondering about reliability and warranty or parts after sale?
That's interesting about Amazon. That's also a good sign as there are no bad ones as they get posted quicker than good reviews. I bought mine direct from the company. They responded to any questions I had really quick, sometimes within hours. As for reliability, I'm beating the crap outta my 2, posted one of a 400'/18% grade hill climb recently. It climbed it like it was nothing.
Hi im thinking about getting one of these as a upgrade to my bike. But as i have a basket on the front for my dog. But as it comes with a front light it would not fit. Do you have to put the light on it? Thank you
That's pretty cool. Guessing a small dog. You don't have to put the light on and it also has the horn so you'd lose both or get handlebar mounted horn. There aren't mounting bolts on the front for baskets like some bikes and of you can get one that attached to the headset frame that'd work. Hope that helps!
Thanks that's great thank you for getting back to me. Can't wait to get the bike now.....and yes she's a small dog lol
The mirrors on your bike are they ones that come with the bike? I didn't think they bend?
Yea they come with two of those. I prefer handlebar end mirrors so I swapped em. These do bend and work pretty well.
Is this better than Engwe engine pro?
How does this ebike compare to the Ariel Rider Kepler? are the ranges about the same? will this bike handle 110+ degrees for weeks at a time?
I haven't been able to compare it with the Kepler although that's rear hub only. I love having the front motor for hill climbing. I have a video of it climbing 150' in 1600'. You'll see the Ecell Monarch I was riding alongside with at the top. As for temps, I'm in So Ca and gets pretty hot. Haven't had any bikes overheat. Just brakes lol czcams.com/video/J2MOfJQytkc/video.html
I’m not a big guy, is it easy to maneuver and steer Bc of its weight? How is it riding it fully manual too. I just wonder if it feels noticeably big and heavy riding
Good Question. Not a big guy here and basically the same as my other fat tire ebikes. The best part about manual peddling is the 21 speeds which gives it an advantage over the others with 7 or 8 speeds.
I live in them there hills! Would love to know where that trail is... If it has a name you would be willing to share, it would be appreciated!
Colby Trail. Up GMR. Also go to the top of GMR and ride Ridge Rd. Check out Trail Forks app, shows trails and difficulty levels everywhere. www.trailforks.com/
What does the connector from the motors to the controllers look like?
Can you upgrade to 35amp controllers?
Basically the same as most (non-Bafang) inside controller box. Main wiring harness to big box, from there to the smaller triangle box. No controller upgrade yet, asking them about the possibility. 33mph seems enough and already climbs like a champ. My choice of upgrade would be to Bafang but would easily double the price.
@Johnny Sez Ebike have this bike to would be interested in upgrade if it comes available
Do you know if you can hold speed and not have the need to always throttle up and down
I believe it may have cruise control as many bikes do these days. I'll try it tomorrow.
The button to provide less/more power assist seems in an awkward position, do you have to remove your hand from grip to use?
I just use my thumb.
@@johnnysezebike1319 Do you have to remove your left hand grip to use it? It seems kind of far away for the thumb to be able to reach it. A good indicator would be can you put your right hand behind your back and steer and change power assist with your left hand without losing control?
Can you run the rear motor with throttle, or is it only pedal assist or do both motors work under throttle? Ariel rider Kepler has met its match.
When just using PAS, the rear motor only is working. When you use the throttle it engages the front but also the rear. I tested this by lifting the wheels off the ground and using the throttle. Using the throttle doesn't allow it to exceed the limit for the PAS level you're on but it will get you up to that speed real quick then level off. I just took it through the most extreme mud test possible. It was insane and never got stuck or went down like this rear only hub motor did:
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The bike in the front that went through was dual motor eCell. 3x's the cost of this one.
This was the previous H8 mud test
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@@johnnysezebike1319 thank you. Just bought KBO breeze for commute, seriously considering buying philodo H8 now also
@@StefanRandall Nice, if you do let me know and I can connect you with someone at the company for discounts and extras. 👍
@@johnnysezebike1319 will do that!
I live in Kansas where it's mostly flat and I have one motor on my bike and it'll do 33 on a dead run with me somewhat pedaling in fifth it'll go 30 without me pedaling it
This Is not the one they pass off on Amazon . They pull a bait and switch with another look alike bike that looks exactly like this but is called COJMOYA 2000W that they have priced for $899 but there's no live review on it. When I typed it in I got this one which is different!
This one is on Amazon and there are several with diff names that are similar or identical. Not sure if Amazon screwed it up or what happened there as Philodo doesn't sell a COJMOYA bike. I went through Philodo website.
I have this bike is it normal for the battery to Not last very long with full throttle and no peddling at 30mph?
How many miles you getting throttle only? heavy bike and dependin on rider could drain quicker. I'm setting up dual batt system. I get 25 miles with mountain climb up 2000'. That's not bad. 38 miles at beach on flat with moderate pas and throttling
Loving my new philodo but have an issue with the front fork/ spacer. It seems the provided spacer doesn’t go all the way through the shaft or isn’t fit properly. It’s causes a good amount of movement where the fork meets the frame. Has anyone experienced the same issue? Do you know which type spacer it should have or a replacement I could order?
I didn't have that issue with either of mine. Had similar with a diff brand tho. Have you tried reaching out? I always send a short video showing the problem (when dealing with any bike company). Their customer service has been great.
I've also taken a video to a local bike shop who solved it on my other bike and sold me the spacer I needed for about $3. Prob the quickest route to start
@@johnnysezebike1319 thanks for the info! I also ended up needing another spacer because of after market head stem I put on.
Where are these sold?
Also where is this company headquartered, and for how long has it been in business?
Here's the link to their site for this bike. I just bought it through here. Not sure of the history as most of the ebike companies these days are fairly new. If interested in buying, email me and I can direct you to someone who can offer discounts or accessories. jonnysezebike@gmail
philodobikes.com/products/philodo-h8-dual-motor-fat-tire-bike-2000w-22ah
@@johnnysezebike1319 I looked around and there is no way to find local dealers on that website; unfortunately I would need a local shop that can do electrical work if necessary and mechanical work also since my eyesight up close has deteriorated too much to do a lot of things. Local shops in my area have told me they won't do repairs on bikes bought via internet sites.
Thanks for the link, it was an interesting read.
What bleed kits can we use with these crappy Dyisland brakes that come on the H8? My rear brake already failed at 100 miles. I’m not paying 40+$ getting Philodo’s brake bleed kit,
a.co/d/7kkIFNW I use this kit for all my bikes. Works well.
I’ve been looking for a headlight for my bike like that! What kind of connector does it have and what kind of bracket it does it have?
Standard 3 pin plug. I love this light and haven't had any luck finding one like it. I may just buy another from them if possible. 700 lumens is awesome and looks great!
Bracket bolts on top of typical fender mount. Sturdy too.
@@johnnysezebike1319 is that horn inside light?
@@trsdamocles yes
I am a person that would need this bike how sound it is
They Actual 1000 watt motors, or 500 watt, with 1000 watt controllers?
Will they overheat and burn out on a steep hill? (REAL HILL). OR are they overload protected?
Can I put a MID DRIVE motor assembly in this bike as well?
I've climbed the toughest hills ( 150' in 1600' & 400' in .5mi) and it's never overheated. Not sure if it's because there's overheat protection and it's one tough bike. I put it through the wringer for sure. I have the video of the "15 story climb" with it.
@@johnnysezebike1319 mine is on order, I was TOLD, when I climb "Marys Peek" in Oregon, I will burn the motors up. I am also told a SINGLE motor can overheat, but, a double should be able to take it. Love to see somebody take one up Pikes Peak. - all the videos are of city streets. Not much Mountains.
@@jackdundon2261 here's smaller hill climb but one single motors can't make. I have a 400' climb video coming up. I've taken it up to 4500'. All good here. I have a 1000w Bafang hub conversion on a Bee Cool that cuts power on the smallest grades due to a safety feature programmed in. They can overheat for sure. Only had the problem on the one Bafang tho. You'll see you want to keep PAS in 2 at the most as anything higher just spins due to power and lack of weight on the front when going up serious grades. Enjoy! these things are too much fun
Hi. Have you try running on one motor yet
Yes as It basically runs on the rear motor alone when in PAS only mode, throttle kicks in the front motor which I love because it's "on demand" vs a switch. The throttle will also control the rear when used.
The Philodo H8 no longer comes with the Bafang motor...they use the Xiong Da brand. I have no idea if there is any difference in quality. It's possible that Philodo never used Bafang brand to begin with, but I was under the impression that they did.
Neither of mine had a Bafang motor. Two 1k watt Bafang motors would make it as costly as the eCell at $7k last I saw. The Philodo is def worth the price.
@@johnnysezebike1319 I'm glad to hear that because their current brand has proven itself very reliable. Papablueshirt, as of 3 weeks ago, went 13, 785 miles on his Philodo H8.
Any chance they might catchup with the competition and offer a full color display? That black and white display looks so cheap.
haha I hear ya. I don't really notice as I'm too busy trying not to end up in an erosion rut most of the time. As long as I got power n speed I'm happy lol
@@johnnysezebike1319 what has been your top speed?
@@kevynwagner1 35mph. I'm more into it for the hill climbing power. I only ride streets to get to the trails and that's 5 miles or less in any direction. Check out the hill climb video.
@@johnnysezebike1319 Is that on throttle only? Trying to decide between the Wicked and the Kepler.
Looks awesome!.. . 🤦🏾🙇🏾🤷🏾
Nice!!!❤❤🎉🎉🎉
Thanks!! Super fun bike to ride
I'm just confused cause when I use throttle my bike tries stopping cause the front tire goes backwards
That sounds crazy. Can't have front wheel on backwards or the rotor wouldn't line up with caliper. Sounds like something is backwards though. Brake is on drivers side and power cable on right side right?
My H8 arrived, batter charged, ON, key on, and I HOLD /press power, nothing powers up! -- ideas?
That's really odd. Of course check all the connections and I'd probably reset the battery in the cradle for the heck of it. Definitely reach out to the company, their customer service has been very responsive and great to deal with.
Hi. Can you tell me the size of the saddle shaft please?
30.4mm dia
@@johnnysezebike1319 Thank you very much... Fantastic review of the bike....
Sorry, last question... How long does it take to charge the battery?
@@brenbren9551 Not a problem, ask away. I didn't time it the one time I took it way down and believe it was around 5 hours. I will time it tomorrow for sure and will post it. Great question!
It’s good for delivery?
I don't see why not so I would think so.
No rear suspension?
No it doesn't, not for that price. Dual motor with full suspension and double crown forks costs a whole lot more. So I added a pretty cool suspension seat which works well and absorbs most of it, according to others I have ride my two. I also rode hardtail before so I didn't mind. I'll trade this power for full suspension all day long.
Not sure this is necessary but the price is fine!
Depends on how and where one rides. I prefer mountains and big hills which I can't do with rear hub only. It's a Billy Goat for sure!
Does this top out at 20Mph on throttle or does it depend on the PAS level?
In the PAS part of the review it did 33mph.
It's dependent upon the PAS level.
It goes 34 on throttle mode.
@@andreperry7995 In the PAS part of the review I randomly chose PAS level 3 to go from 5mph and throttle it. It topped off at 20.8 because that was the max for the PAS level. When Philodo told me about how the front motor works, they did say it wouldn't affect the max speed (for that PAS level).
@@johnnysezebike1319 I have the same ebike and using throttle it is 34 mph.
What exactly is different in the design that makes a Fat Tire E-Bike AWD? Unlike a car which has designated gears for better grip in certain off road conditions,
I see no equivalent for an E-Bike? (is it just a gimmick of word play or is there something to the actual design of the gears ? or suspesnion) because there is nothing
in the motor or the batter or I believe even in the controller that would be enhanced to qualify the Ebike as making it AWD ? (Please don't say it's the tires because that's dumb
since any Fat Tires that's at least 3 inches wide is by definition capable of being of riding technically off of city asphalt or concrete.
AWD=All Wheel Drive meaning both wheels have motors, versus just one. Some companies call theirs "dual motor" ebikes. Hope that helps!
No switch for the front motor??
No, it's activated by using the throttle. Otherwise PAS operates just the rear motor. Both with throttle.
@@johnnysezebike1319 O k !! Check out the one I have on my channel!!
But you can change it from: PAS/no throttle, no PAS/ only throtle: or PAS/throttle combo
With that 9pin skinny connector on front motor it looks as though it is a 750watt or lower motor. Area 13 made comment once that that connection is a good indicator of power output. Even so, still gives good power output.
@@trsdamocles yeah. Something is fishy about this 2000w thing. 22amp SC thing leads me to think these are either 500w or possibly 750w. I’m leaning towards 500w though which is still cheaper than else where
Wired Freedom will easily outperform this bike for $1999. Single hub full suspension that goes 40mph and peaks over 2400 watts. Oh, and it doesn’t look like it was assembled in someone’s garage.
I'd have to see it climb the hills I ride. It'd be the first rear hub only to make it up some of em. Didn't know they are the old Wicked brand until I checked it out. Thought they vanished. Thanks!
The wicked bike has 250 in shipping and this one has been free shipping even at its highest msrp. For another 300 dollars you could add another battery and smack the wired for range and be almost there with high end power. I still question whether the wired is as efficient at those high speeds as the philodo due to the power band.
Although the first time I saw this bike I thought "another pile of garbage".
I know a guy with a CZcams channel that has modified it by putting a second 20+Ah battery on it and goes for 60-100 miles single charge rides.
Ok, ok, but there is more, in one of his latest videos he's surpassed 8000 miles (12,874.75 km) this year alone on that bike.
My thoughts now are, I can't be garbage.
That's alotta miles. I have 2 with 1k each and 75% is all steep trails and rocky.
This bike has great specs but I just don't like how it has a very "home made" look to it with the controllers sticking out and that frame mounted controller bag etc. DEF has great top speed and AWD which isn't common on E-Bikes
I hear ya. It could be made with everything hidden and that's done on the Ecell dual motor bike. It's also MORE than three times the price so there's that. For this price I don't mind the controller bag or the exterior mounted cables. I get the same flat ground speed on my single 1kw Bafang hub and mid-drive bikes. T
While the mid-drive climbs the same hills (I have a video of both climbing the same 400' trail) that's also double the price of the H8. IMHO, price and performance trumps all and this has both. I bet if you got on this and hit the throttle, and when that front wheel spins out, you will have a big smile (most giggle) and completely forget about aesthetics. Literally happens every time (the giggle).
Is this bike rain resistant?
Generally it's not a good idea to get them too wet. All makers say water "resistant" not water "proof". I've been caught in the rain on several brands and never had a problem. I keep baggies in my pannier bag and cover display if it rains. Just be sure to take batt off and make sure everything is dry afterwards.
@@johnnysezebike1319 thank you for the advise
Great video! Can I put a child seat on the back?
If you're asking for my permission, no. lol. Then again who cares what Jonny Sez, you can do what you like. Just be very careful when adding a kid on the back. I wouldn't do it without the plastic shields (on ANY bike) to keep their feet from the spokes. I also suggest they never wear shoes with laces for obvious reasons. This bike has alot of power and not to be taken lightly. The bike can handle it, no doubt. Enjoy and be safe!
How much does it cost?
It's listed on their site as $200 off right now. heck of a deal.
buybestebike.com/products/philodo-h8-dual-motor-fat-tire-bike-2000w-22ah
@@johnnysezebike1319 thank you
You are completely wrong at 1:04. The throttle alone will cause both wheels to work simultaneously. There is no time where one will work without the other.
Watch again i guess. I never said the throttle didn't activate the rear, I said only the throttle activates the front and you only get both when using throttle. That's per Philodo as well as my experience with two bikes. If no throttle, only the rear is active. Prob why there is a separate controller for each motor. Hope that helps.
Has anyone confirmed that this bike actually is 2000w. Seems odd after researching that they’d use a 22amp SC for a 1000w motor.
Even if it’s 750x 2 1,500w that in line with what ecell has on a few there bikes that go for $5,000+.
It doesn't show watts being pulled and I haven't seen many that don't max out at 999w on display. Even Cyrusher900 (Bafang) was maxing out at 999. My buddy has the Monarch and we ride the same hills. Ecells are great, just three times the price.
it has 2 separate controllers,1 for each wheel rated at 27 +/- 2 amps so a peak of 29 amps at 48 volts for each motor or 1392 peak draw per motor which is 2784 watts combined. though out of the box amp draw in the computer is set to 12 amps or 576 watts per motor but is easy to change via the P14 setting.
Bafang also sells 1000w motor with a 25a controller. I got the one with 30a controller. For the price it climbs sick hills the same as the Ecell 750x2 my friend had. @@chuckwolf9869
That's my bike with just a different name slapped on it really
I bet it eats up your battery pretty quick. if they can get the battery life better that would be the game changer.
I avg 25 miles in the mountains up to about 2300', At the beach, relatively flat, I got 38 miles but I did get throttle happy a few time which prob cost me 5 miles lol. I got a dual parrallel battery connector and going to be experimenting with adding a 20ah rear rack battery.
Mine's a single motor and the guy goes oh yeah all you got to do is order the resistor and the other back the resistor and it's a dual motor
i have a bafang 750 rear hub drive can do 33mph all day long on a 20 ah battery and accelerate faster than that
Not getting up the same hills I ride. Tried em with 750 bafang bikes and not even close. Why I got dualie. Took 2-750w bafangs on a Monarch to do the same hills. It's on one of my other videos, 150' climb in short distance.
@@johnnysezebike1319 woops my bad I have made some changes its now at 1000w and 84nutorque whatevers with a 52 V 20 ah battery so it really isnt a 750 any more plus several tweeks to the motor control
I bought a bike from your company and it is not up to 3 months it is not working I complain and no answer yet
It's not "my company". I just show my experience. Hope it gets resolved!
Why is every one of these bikes look damn near the same they all have the same electronics they all have the same batteries but they're all different prices
Hold on that's a regular mtb that they put some motors on and wanna charge $1,900 bucks for it... Wow 😂😂😂// Johnny nothing against you personally but come on you could buy all the same parts for $ 350.00 // Then just mount them on your own mtb at home even and save $1,550... You could pay someone to mount everything and still be ahead by $1,200..
Works for me and if it can be done 1200 cheaper I'd be super impressed! More work than I wanna deal with that's for sure. I have a Bee Cool bike I experiment with and may do a complete build down the road.
Idk I got one and for the price I can’t ask for more, has hydraulic brakes handles well at 37 mph, I got a suspension post for my seat and a seat that I find comfy. I wouldn’t dare do this to my specialized mtn bike. It’s just a nice way of exploring and having fun for me. Gets me way more excited to get on the h8 and have it cart me around the trails. There’s a lot that goes into making these bikes somewhat good. If you don’t want to fiddle around with a bunch of electronics and making everything work this isn’t a bad option, it’s one of the cheaper but more quality bikes. I use mine in the snow and it’s great.
Hardtail = no go.
Yea that what some of my fellow riders say. I added suspension seat posts which satisfied them. As for me, it doesn't matter, I'm more interested in hill climbing power at a reasonable price.
I don't understand why people use Bluetooth speakers, better are BT earbuds, the sound much better and don't annoy others around you.
As for this bike it seems it is put together with bunch of really cheap components. My concerns are the battery cells and motors. Also 21 speeds are totally unnecessary on an ebike.
Earbuds will get ya killed. BT lets people know you're there although most of the time there's no one where I ride in the trails and on the street it's way safer. Most importantly it keeps the bears and big cats away while in the mountains 👊 If folks want top of the line, they better pony up alot more cash, 3x's as much! As for gears, I used 1st gear the other day to get up a hill, even with two motors, and top gear on the road coming home. These are 99% downhill trails and this bike keeps up with the ecell Monarch. Just sayin.
@@johnnysezebike1319 always that one guy. Lol. You are definitely right. Ecells cheapest bike goes for $3,989. I like ecell and I like the owner personally spoken to him but as I told him I was pretty much turn off by buying from them when his finance company tuned me down for financing a Dual crown monarch 1,500w bike. I ran into this bike which has similar specs but some unbranded motors which I can just about guarantee these unbranded motors are made by Bafang. All these bike are pretty much made in same factories in China. In fact I’ve seen 3 versions of this bike on the internet that are exactly the same bike but with different name stamped on it.
So you basically can do 34 mph on PAS 5 AND throttle for more power to achieve 40 mph? Amazon advertises this bike go go 40 mph.
No, Throttle will give more power if going slower than the max per pedal assist level and get to that level. 34/35 was what I reached. If someone weighed less than me, say 150lbs, they'd go faster, at 200lbs they'd go slower. Weight is always a factor on any bike.
I bought two bikes and one is not even upto 3momths it is bad, the electrical is not working, sent me a fake tracking code and still date nothing , a waste of money
Not my experience with two and well over 3k miles between them. Hope it gets worked out.
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I had 83 miles on my H8 Philodo and the rear motor died. Company will not answer their phones or email. Terrible company and customer service. Don't buy from this crap Chinese company!!
That stinks. Surprised and hope they get it rectified asap!