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    The host for "What Is This?" uses the game show to try and finally get some closure in her love life. Aired 05/05/12
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Komentáře • 834

  • @TheArkeylp
    @TheArkeylp Před 6 lety +3964

    "Thats negative infinity points for you fred"
    "Aaalriiight"

    • @DarkOtakuGaming
      @DarkOtakuGaming Před 5 lety +34

      That's a letter hole

    • @andrewdraper4967
      @andrewdraper4967 Před 4 lety +3

      We have the same Pfp

    • @darthrevan1281
      @darthrevan1281 Před 3 lety +7

      Nightime sun.

    • @grzzltn
      @grzzltn Před 3 lety +1

      he should've lost another point, cause an underflow and he'd be in the lead with positive infinit points

  • @imtryingmybest673
    @imtryingmybest673 Před 3 lety +4486

    I love how enthusiastic Bill’s character was even when given negative feedback

    • @stasia4133
      @stasia4133 Před 3 lety +13

      i literally see you everywhere what in gosh heck

    • @imtryingmybest673
      @imtryingmybest673 Před 3 lety +36

      @@stasia4133 dude it’s cause I AM everywhere....I’ve been on a consistent snl binge since quarantine began lmaooo

    • @stasia4133
      @stasia4133 Před 3 lety +6

      @@imtryingmybest673 omg sammmee

    • @internziko
      @internziko Před 3 lety +8

      He was just happy to be out of the house. Right now i can relate

    • @njnjhjh8918
      @njnjhjh8918 Před 3 lety +2

      Ignorance is bliss

  • @frogradar
    @frogradar Před 3 lety +1512

    "why not, it's not like we're seeing anyone else"
    "we're not?"
    "*that is WROOONG*" :)

  • @KikeDuh
    @KikeDuh Před 3 lety +2616

    Honestly I thought she was going to show proof of him cheating and follow it up with "What is this?"

    • @Eddierockification
      @Eddierockification Před 3 lety +56

      Or a pregnancy test lol

    • @nateskidmore6044
      @nateskidmore6044 Před 2 lety +28

      It ain't cheating if they ain't dating?

    • @joefelice5062
      @joefelice5062 Před 2 lety +11

      That’s why she’s confused.

    • @lauranolastnamegiven3385
      @lauranolastnamegiven3385 Před 2 lety +1

      I thought it'd be a photo of her clit (hence why the camera didn't show the screen), something like that

    • @landonjones7731
      @landonjones7731 Před 2 lety +18

      When she pulled out the underwear, I thought that was the case- that they belonged to another woman.

  • @krock90
    @krock90 Před 7 lety +6849

    Weird to see Bill hader not as the host.

  • @brentj.peterson6070
    @brentj.peterson6070 Před 3 lety +2811

    Nobody as smiles bigger than Vanessa Bayer. So dang cute.

    • @sunsetrider45
      @sunsetrider45 Před 3 lety +61

      She really is. There's something about her.

    • @joefelice5062
      @joefelice5062 Před 3 lety +28

      Please tell me you guys have seen the skit where Taran Killiam sings a song about it.... it’s a “cut for time” skit with Ariana Grande. F-ing wonderful...

    • @atrain84
      @atrain84 Před 3 lety +6

      Her interview with Rob Lowe on LITERALLY is great!

    • @timlynch5710
      @timlynch5710 Před 2 lety +3

      Fuck, did you really say dang?

    • @scottnomore9489
      @scottnomore9489 Před 2 lety +12

      @@timlynch5710 dang ain't a bad word or nothin friend

  • @roben2791
    @roben2791 Před 8 lety +2556

    night time sun . letter hole but he sure interpreted thee pic right

    • @Hellwyck
      @Hellwyck Před 5 lety +9

      yet you failed to type "the" correctly and instead typed the Olde English word for "you" (like kids tend to do these days.).

    • @goldenboatcaptain
      @goldenboatcaptain Před 5 lety +5

      Hellwyck That was obviously meant to be the word there, he missed a letter.

    • @TorkG8
      @TorkG8 Před 5 lety +9

      Goldenboat, "there" wouldn't have made sense.

    • @Hellwyck
      @Hellwyck Před 4 lety +2

      @@goldenboatcaptain Fair enough. I see too many people who think "thee" is how you emphasise the word "the", they all blur.

    • @micahclawrence
      @micahclawrence Před 3 lety

      This is when they were trying to make abby elliot the next big thing

  • @Catherine-wn8dh
    @Catherine-wn8dh Před 3 lety +490

    This is what happens when you respond to that "You up?" text

    • @jetzzfan
      @jetzzfan Před 3 lety +48

      You out? You up? Kewl.

    • @Zimisce85
      @Zimisce85 Před 3 lety +6

      Well, not a sorry outcome if you get to date her.

    • @martinpalmer9810
      @martinpalmer9810 Před 3 lety +2

      "Well, not a sorry outcome if you get to date her."
      Are you freaking kidding????
      Just by making the mistake of dating even one time any woman who acts like this and the man qill be guaranteed to have problems.
      Soon he will receive that fateful phone call.
      He says, "What do you mean you missed your period?"

    • @sophiophile
      @sophiophile Před 3 lety +14

      @@martinpalmer9810 Is it really that hard to use a rubber?

    • @anthonyscully2998
      @anthonyscully2998 Před 3 lety +3

      Is that the same guy in the court sketch

  • @3XLDave
    @3XLDave Před 3 lety +490

    So just to recap, the final scores are:
    Ryan - all
    Joanne - 1000?
    Fred - negative infinity

    • @agentchuck2
      @agentchuck2 Před 2 lety +18

      I mean wouldn't that mean Ryan took all the negative points, so Joanne and Fred tie with 0?

    • @someguy79
      @someguy79 Před 2 lety +12

      fred won by leaving imo

  • @itswherethecomedycomesin8864

    "well I dont wanna be 'Kim from bar' but thats still my name in your phone so" I cant believe I didnt catch that before!

    • @ThatGuy56098
      @ThatGuy56098 Před 3 lety +1

      I don’t get it but if it’s something inappropriate I don’t need to understand it 😅

    • @itswherethecomedycomesin8864
      @itswherethecomedycomesin8864 Před 3 lety +28

      @@ThatGuy56098 it means he never put him in his contacts as just "Kim" she was always "kim from bar" meaning he never stopped associating her with the place that they met because he's not into her

    • @ThatGuy56098
      @ThatGuy56098 Před 3 lety +4

      @@itswherethecomedycomesin8864 oh ok thanks haha

    • @sawyer8351
      @sawyer8351 Před 3 lety

      Oh my god. Shut up Heather.

    • @elysiummedicalinc.884
      @elysiummedicalinc.884 Před rokem +1

      Lol, I used to do that in college when I was dating and trying to remember their names. 😅

  • @CloneJFK
    @CloneJFK Před 5 lety +1231

    This was a great sketch! Even Eli Manning's stilted acting works for the character he's playing.

    • @4seeableTV
      @4seeableTV Před 3 lety +29

      It was his stilted play as quarterback that didn't work so much.

    • @WYCD
      @WYCD Před 3 lety +6

      @@4seeableTV To revive something that was around when this aired: Got 'em!

    • @eazyknotz1
      @eazyknotz1 Před 3 lety +2

      @@WYCD well to re revive it "OH DAMN"

    • @ArchibaldClumpy
      @ArchibaldClumpy Před 3 lety +21

      Watched the whole thing thinking it was Michael Phelps

    • @skilldeadly8888
      @skilldeadly8888 Před 2 lety +9

      @@4seeableTV yeah those 2 SB wins against dominant Patriots teams were just awful.....

  • @zuzannanowakowska4469
    @zuzannanowakowska4469 Před 2 lety +83

    i LOVE how Bill says ,,That's a night time sun" with such a confidence

  • @kengeorgejones6855
    @kengeorgejones6855 Před 2 lety +752

    This is one of the only central roles and non-impression roles Abby Elliott got in her 4 seasons as a cast member. The audience isn't really into it, but I think it's a strong sketch. Glad she got to do this before she left.

    • @ZooterOne
      @ZooterOne Před 2 lety +84

      I think she was a real gem - and here she proves how great she is at centering the skit. But SNL just didn't know what to do with her. (She was an amazing Zooey Deschanel, too.)

    • @gramajomd
      @gramajomd Před 2 lety +5

      @@ZooterOne nah she wasn't, totally forgettable

    • @gramajomd
      @gramajomd Před 2 lety +14

      4 seasons? Shit, she was so forgettable

    • @tunghnguyen
      @tunghnguyen Před 2 lety +17

      She's really good at these crazy-ish girlfriend roles (she played one on HIMYM too, much crazier actually lol)

    • @vrushabhbhaskar1348
      @vrushabhbhaskar1348 Před 2 lety +20

      I found her distinctly good.. and certainly much better than the current cast

  • @billybones1694
    @billybones1694 Před 2 lety +222

    Poor Fred. He spoke the truth, and was punished forthwith.

    • @coffeehi
      @coffeehi Před 2 lety +9

      The only one he actually got right lol

  • @THE-gd6qn
    @THE-gd6qn Před 6 lety +1814

    Amazing acting by the host who is not bill hader btw 😂😂😂😂

    • @jamesbrillantes7775
      @jamesbrillantes7775 Před 5 lety +45

      Cool night time sun profile pic

    • @SD_Gamin
      @SD_Gamin Před 5 lety +36

      Her name is Abby Elliott.

    • @billyeveryteen7328
      @billyeveryteen7328 Před 3 lety +21

      @@SD_Gamin Abby Elliott, the daughter of comedian and former SNL cast member Chris Elliott.

  • @user-sq5hv9tj3i
    @user-sq5hv9tj3i Před 4 lety +292

    Vanessa stole their thunder in the end, she had the best smile on earth : )

  • @snakelemon
    @snakelemon Před 3 lety +275

    I watched this 7nyears ago when I was 19. I found it funny and I knew what she was talking about but now, since I'm 26 I can relate to this skit much more painfully than I'd like to admit.

  • @Harri477
    @Harri477 Před 10 lety +2398

    It was a huge mistake to get rid of Abby Elliot. Damn you SNL.

  • @brunogigliotti4216
    @brunogigliotti4216 Před 3 lety +127

    "Negative infinity points to Fred!"
    "Alright!"

  • @madmista8336
    @madmista8336 Před 9 lety +448

    This is.. dark... and great

    • @Lolo50000
      @Lolo50000 Před 4 lety +18

      Dark as the night-time sun

    • @autumnburton2091
      @autumnburton2091 Před 3 lety +2

      How is this dark??

    • @dazem8
      @dazem8 Před 2 lety

      their sketch of family feud with john and mackenzie phillips... so dark and awkward

  • @soreal5583
    @soreal5583 Před 3 lety +36

    "A letter hole" is hands down the funniest line in the skit

  • @makatron
    @makatron Před 3 lety +51

    The host was playing the long game and caught him at the end, well played Kim from the bar.

  • @LivLaRaj
    @LivLaRaj Před 3 lety +75

    The most purest performance by Abby on SNL, that I've been waiting for after 4 years her being on the show. This was her third-to-last episode.

  • @al6369
    @al6369 Před 3 lety +121

    I love Vanessa Bayer. She never fails to make me laugh.

  • @Jheavenly95
    @Jheavenly95 Před 3 lety +41

    “What is this?"
    A guy who's clearly not interested in you

  • @KingoftheJuice18
    @KingoftheJuice18 Před 3 lety +53

    Teachers are the best. Even after all the points are stolen from Joanne, she's smiling as brightly as before.

  • @princessstreetmetal
    @princessstreetmetal Před 3 lety +106

    Bill stealing the scene he barely appears in.... gotta love him!

  • @jenk5267
    @jenk5267 Před 8 lety +588

    Vanessa is so cute

    • @irishking1414
      @irishking1414 Před 7 lety +25

      Jenna Gee reminds me of a beaver

    • @dead4419
      @dead4419 Před 5 lety +23

      vanessa is always cute

    • @gametabulas
      @gametabulas Před 5 lety +2

      I saw her in Bin Laden song by The Lonely Island band she was super hot in that video

  • @raboisvert1607
    @raboisvert1607 Před 3 lety +22

    I love how Bill's character was secondary and left before everyone else but the comments are still about him and his character HAHA

  • @cellytron
    @cellytron Před rokem +5

    “Kim from bar” 💀

  • @pop5678eye
    @pop5678eye Před 3 lety +65

    1:23 suddenly turned from the world's easiest game show to the world's most difficult game show...

  • @pdzombie1906
    @pdzombie1906 Před 2 lety +36

    I still remember this sketch after so many years... Also, was Abby a real person? I can't believe someone can be so beautiful and funny at the same time... I mean, what is that?

  • @behabtwa
    @behabtwa Před 6 lety +128

    a letterhole... 😂

  • @alpal2349
    @alpal2349 Před 3 lety +66

    Has Dr. Wenowdis been on this game show? I think she'd be good at dis.

  • @simonwoods7112
    @simonwoods7112 Před 3 lety +64

    When Bill Hader left, I cried

    • @dangerchris1915
      @dangerchris1915 Před 3 lety +6

      Don't cry Simon, Bill was great on SNL, but other shows needed a Bill Hader, and television is better for it.

  • @TrixiLovesYou
    @TrixiLovesYou Před 2 lety +15

    Vanessa Bayer, Abby Elliott and Nasim Pedrad were such awesome cast members.

  • @largeegothegreat3645
    @largeegothegreat3645 Před 3 lety +13

    i love how the main point of the sketch has nothing to do with Fred but he's the thing that makes me laugh in the sketch

  • @GlennDavey
    @GlennDavey Před 3 lety +57

    Why hasn't Abby Elliot been in movies? I don't understand... She's SO GOOD!

    • @JasonBorn89
      @JasonBorn89 Před rokem +1

      She was in Cheaper by the dozen remake last year and 'the bear' tv series. She's married with one child

    • @alexvasquez537
      @alexvasquez537 Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@JasonBorn89 you unlocked some info that's been bothering me for a minute. Didn't realize that was her on the bear.

  • @chrisgeorges1906
    @chrisgeorges1906 Před 2 lety +10

    i wish skits had writing credits so i could figure out the guys that wrote this and find more of their stuff

  • @Global00Vintage
    @Global00Vintage Před rokem +3

    This sketch is funny because it’s so painful and sad. I can’t tell you just how badly you do not need a man who you need to trap into marriage. F that.

  • @saurabhjainwal4604
    @saurabhjainwal4604 Před 4 lety +13

    Those are cows 😂
    So effective

    • @TheDany7496
      @TheDany7496 Před 9 dny

      I was unsure. Thought it might be grass.

  • @JeevatSingh
    @JeevatSingh Před 6 lety +68

    Kim from bar

  • @rhettzkie
    @rhettzkie Před 3 lety +183

    I'm just wondering how Hader's character was able to graduate medical school. lmao

    • @jeremymfontaine
      @jeremymfontaine Před 3 lety +17

      By studying his word books and passing his question sheets.

    • @A2forty
      @A2forty Před 3 lety +9

      Ben Carson...

    • @joelglanton6531
      @joelglanton6531 Před 3 lety +9

      @@A2forty Dr. Carson has been published over 100 times and performed the first neurosurgery on a fetus while it was still inside the womb. I know you think you are so clever and intelligent because you're a liberal, but I guarantee that Dr. Carson is smarter than you. In fact, I think that most people are probably smarter than someone who needs to be told how to think by Fortune 500 companies, celebrities, bloggers, and people on Twitter with blue check-marks.

    • @sparklemotion101ni3
      @sparklemotion101ni3 Před 2 lety +3

      +Rhett Simbulan Hader's character "is a dental assistant from Bridgeton, Maine." What made you think he went to medical school? Even if he were a dentist, which he's not, he would have only gone to dental school, which is not medical school by any description. His job involves tasks like safely getting rid of sharp disposeable instruments so nobody gets injured after they are used and identifying which garbage counts as "medical waste" so it can be safely thrown away.
      So, did the word "medical" in the phrase "medical waste" make you think someone had gone to "medical" school? In my experience, dentists want members of the general public to think there's really no difference between dentists & doctors. MDs, otoh, do not agree that a DDS & an MD are in any way comparable.

    • @spoilers9723
      @spoilers9723 Před 2 lety

      It wouldn’t be SNL without characters giving ridiculous answers in a fake game show

  • @Hunter00000
    @Hunter00000 Před 7 lety +245

    She has a thing for playing crazy girlfriends HIMYM

  • @badbiker666
    @badbiker666 Před 3 lety +229

    I miss Abbey Elliot so much! She was one of the best cast members ever.

    • @assmane999
      @assmane999 Před 3 lety +21

      She was solid but not one of the best by far.

    • @jasonchambers4495
      @jasonchambers4495 Před 3 lety +4

      Eddie Murphy, Bill Murray, Cheryl Chase, Tina Fey, Gilda Radner, Will Ferrell. Shall I go on?

    • @amograo9060
      @amograo9060 Před 3 lety +10

      @@jasonchambers4495 Kristen wiig as well

    • @EverydayNYC
      @EverydayNYC Před 2 lety +4

      Cheri Oteri was a great as well. She and Will Ferrell were comic gold anytime they interacted with each other. Phil Hartman, Adam Sandler, Andy Samberg, Mike Meyers there have been a bunch of legends launched from that stage at 30 Rock

    • @painoyoutube
      @painoyoutube Před 2 lety

      @@jasonchambers4495who are these bums...

  • @meghanruby91
    @meghanruby91 Před 3 lety +17

    This reminds me of my roommate and what she called a boyfriend. Poor thing is a doormat.

  • @werdna1969
    @werdna1969 Před 9 lety +50

    What a concept! Great sketch.

  • @johnwilliamson5501
    @johnwilliamson5501 Před 2 lety +12

    Abby Elliott was so good. She didn't get enough screen time

  • @mrgoober8805
    @mrgoober8805 Před 3 lety +12

    I would be totally eager to clarify my relationship with her 😂😂

  • @Ashl333t
    @Ashl333t Před 3 lety +10

    “Those are balloons.”
    “Correct! I can see why you’re a teacher.”
    “Fred, you can leave.”
    😂

  • @revandenburg
    @revandenburg Před 3 lety +4

    ....a letter hole! bing, bing, bing!! You're right, thats where all my bills go!!

  • @CesarMBazanSaavedra
    @CesarMBazanSaavedra Před 3 lety +123

    That girl uses RED FLAG perfume

    • @jAYROCCS1x
      @jAYROCCS1x Před 3 lety +4

      that means she’s fxccin crazy

    • @kvltslime2261
      @kvltslime2261 Před 3 lety +13

      Nah after 6 months its time for answers.

  • @pleasehelpizzi1771
    @pleasehelpizzi1771 Před 4 lety +18

    Abby Elliott just plays crazy so well

  • @tianyihuang8711
    @tianyihuang8711 Před 7 lety +212

    A letter hole haahahhahahahahhaahhahahahahahhHhahHhhahahHHhHhHahahhahah

  • @AnthonyMute
    @AnthonyMute Před rokem +1

    My all time favourite sketch. Well, with the exception of music ones 😂

  • @cleanartcollective
    @cleanartcollective Před 2 lety +3

    Venessa carries this skit she's the best lol

  • @eduhello4852
    @eduhello4852 Před 5 lety +33

    A letterhole lol😂😂. Hader is the best!

  • @crtinde
    @crtinde Před 3 lety

    " wrong Fred, that's just wrong!" LOL

  • @jimmywoolever798
    @jimmywoolever798 Před 2 lety +1

    I was waiting for something like her holding up a picture of the g-spot and asking him "what's this?"

  • @davidmeyr4558
    @davidmeyr4558 Před 3 lety +7

    Young Eli..."Comedy or Football? Comedy or Football" Papa Manning..."Football son." Good call Pops!

  • @SniffyPoo
    @SniffyPoo Před 2 lety +1

    this sketch is perfect, writing and performance

  • @vollmond9342
    @vollmond9342 Před 3 lety +9

    I would die for Joanne she's so adorable T^T

  • @huskiehuskerson5300
    @huskiehuskerson5300 Před 2 lety +2

    Lucky bastard, she's so devoted to him :P

  • @scottnomore9489
    @scottnomore9489 Před 2 lety +8

    This is literally my wife and her boyfriend.

  • @musics4me
    @musics4me Před 2 lety

    Been looking forever for this! Couldn't seem to find it when all I did was search "What Are We?"

  • @jahnvimishra6661
    @jahnvimishra6661 Před 4 lety +11

    Nobody:
    Literally nobody:
    Bill Hader: Its a night time sun!

  • @juanccadoc9071
    @juanccadoc9071 Před 3 lety +4

    Vanessa Boyer face is priceless

  • @wowwowwow5426
    @wowwowwow5426 Před 3 lety +8

    eli manning and mark zuckerberg really are the best actors EVER

  • @TylerBaraby
    @TylerBaraby Před 3 lety +7

    Someone resisting a relationship with abby is counting on a pretty big suspension of disbelief.

  • @MohamedAlethey
    @MohamedAlethey Před 5 lety +1

    love her

  • @wonderwinder1
    @wonderwinder1 Před 3 lety +2

    Their gameshow sketches are good!

  • @Shadowwolfe2k7
    @Shadowwolfe2k7 Před 3 lety +1

    This gave me chills.

  • @Fuliginosus
    @Fuliginosus Před měsícem

    I like how Vanessa Bayer looked so delighted at the end.

  • @caricatureparty
    @caricatureparty Před 3 lety

    I love what a good actor that guy is

  • @misterx530
    @misterx530 Před rokem +3

    Abby Elliott crushes it here!!

  • @internziko
    @internziko Před 3 lety +3

    I remember both asking and dodging this question when i was single..

  • @dookiemanik
    @dookiemanik Před 3 lety +5

    Eli Manning could be M. Phelps' younger brother or its the other way around. That jaw line doe

  • @tinydonut9674
    @tinydonut9674 Před 3 lety +4

    Friends with benefits? But one of them doesn't really like the friends part.

  • @pxrays547
    @pxrays547 Před 2 lety +3

    Eli is perfect for this sketch, never would have thought.

  • @mshadeel
    @mshadeel Před 3 lety

    The gasping is everything 😂

  • @russellribli9596
    @russellribli9596 Před 10 lety +28

    johanne was sooo adorable

  • @michaelwhite6305
    @michaelwhite6305 Před 3 lety

    I still love this show

  • @koenigkorczak
    @koenigkorczak Před rokem +1

    Joanne was just happy to be along for the ride

  • @jvvoid
    @jvvoid Před rokem +5

    Abby Elliott is talent.

  • @jpablo2057
    @jpablo2057 Před 3 lety

    This was amazing

  • @medusaslair
    @medusaslair Před 9 měsíci +1

    "A letter hole!" 🤣

  • @beatnikmary
    @beatnikmary Před 3 lety +6

    Oh, poor Kim From Bar

  • @GinoZump
    @GinoZump Před 10 lety +72

    abby elliot, my love :)

  • @S1L3NTG4M3R
    @S1L3NTG4M3R Před 3 lety

    "That's negative infinity points for you Fred".... LOL

  • @TomBacchus
    @TomBacchus Před 3 lety +2

    Really liked the cast during these years.

  • @ags3484
    @ags3484 Před 6 lety

    I knew it would take this turn 😂

  • @sahithi4317
    @sahithi4317 Před 4 lety +15

    Golden age of SNL, I tell you.... Bill Hader, Kristen Wiig, Andy Samberg.....

    • @wilsonextreme8201
      @wilsonextreme8201 Před 4 lety +1

      90s was definitely SNLs golden age, had such a good cast

    • @rakimdalida3884
      @rakimdalida3884 Před 4 lety

      Fred Armisen as well. They were legendary that group

  • @jackswain2082
    @jackswain2082 Před rokem +2

    And, what is this: just looking for someone like Abby who actually loves me this much.

  • @pearljammm4093
    @pearljammm4093 Před 2 lety

    This is great 😊

  • @Vision_Voyagers
    @Vision_Voyagers Před 3 lety

    OMG I remember my 'What is this?'😂😂😂😂
    😂😂😂😂😂
    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @safeeyab6291
    @safeeyab6291 Před 5 lety +1

    Lol "nighttime sun"

  • @tsp4343
    @tsp4343 Před rokem

    "negative infinity points"
    **enthusiastically ** "al-right!"

  • @rhymefestza5103
    @rhymefestza5103 Před 4 lety +3

    Oh its my shirt again 😂🤣

  • @technicolorgiallo1111
    @technicolorgiallo1111 Před rokem +1

    Perfectly written.

  • @GCWeber
    @GCWeber Před 3 lety +5

    Is it weird that I basically knew what this was going to be before I clicked?

    • @GCWeber
      @GCWeber Před 3 lety

      @Menace Dennis No, I hadn't seen it before