Will the OrangePI Neo really cost less than the Deck?
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00:18 Suyu goes self-hosted
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03:55 OrangePi Neo pricing revealed
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0/10 OrangePI Neo's shockingly competitive price revealed - Věda a technologie
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There are still things to be done on the OrangePi Neo. We only did a price reveal at the OrangePi conference in Shenzhen. Sorry for the confusion with our word "Launched" in our twitter tweet.
Hey, seeing that manjaro is involved, how are drivers looking for mainline Linux?
No patents, no DMCA takedowns, orange pi neo is doing the healthy fair competition that Nintendo SHOULD be doing.
i already own a steam deck but the NEO seems like the only real competition with its Linux based gaming focused OS and dual track pads which have proven indispensable for playing PC games on a handheld.
Far as I know none of the rivals do anything to stop you using Linux if you want to, I'm not aware of any with internal hardware that is entirely unsupported - so that is not much of a problem. But the trackpads I can really agree with, wouldn't even think of trying to do without them (though I think the ergonomics of NEO might be a bit more problematic. So at the price:performance of the NEO it might actually be a sane rivial to the SD.
Bazzite does a superb job on other handhelds. I have a Legion Go running with it. The only thing 'bad' currently is a lot of the CSS themes in Decky Loader don't work right, but then they get broken on most big Steam updates on the Steam Deck too for a week or so.
Steam really needs to be better at yanking Steam Deck Verified status. They should also extend their refund policy to cover a permanent reduction of Steam Deck Verified level.
I hope they do.
The discord update to wayland completely borked screen sharing for me on Fedora 39 kde spin. Don't know if it is xwayland video bridge not working with it or something else.
I think the orange pi neo will be great. but im a little bit skeptical about the screen. especially the color gamut. I hope it will be color accurate and vibrant enough.
Really wish more of these handhelds would stop copying Nintendo's joystick layout. It's not comfortable at all. At least Steam Deck got the layout right.
I didn't like the look at first but once you get it in your hands it just makes sense
I don't even like the XBOX layout. I'm so glad the Steam Deck has a symmetrical layout.
Edit: To be Fair, the Wii U layout wasn't bad.
The Steam Deck is still the ergonomics benchmark. It even persuaded me to try out a PS5 controller. I'm an old Keyb/Mouse player, with the emphasis on old.
Xboxdid it first, not Nintendo. Look at the original Xbox controller
The WII U layout is a nintendo layout technically, no?
I am extremely skeptical about the price of the Neo . They must have cut corners somewhere
Well they are very rounded.
@@foznoth lmfao
the ither companies have ni experience doing small sbcs, orange pi does, they did the unit i bet
the most expwnsive part on this thing must be battery and the soc, no idea how much the soc costs, i dont think it goes below 150 dollars, battery, screen and pcb at 500 dollars sounds good to me
I think if the orange pi performs the same as the other 7840u devices its definitely something i would have bought IF i didn't already have a onexfly. It would have completely destroyed its competition if it came out earlier but i feel like its too late to the party. It will definitely sell, especially at the price point but it could have sold alot more
About the orange PI i will be interested as i think hardware for specific linux distros is a step into the future to get them more market share and the price points are super good. However for a gaming device specifically handhelds often its not only about the hardware specs but optimization and support. It will most likely run everything the steam deck can, but will it have the same results as the steam deck, even if the steam decks hardware is less impressive? Hard to tell. I think it was a great decision for valve to run the steam deck on lower res screens, as those level the field pretty easily, and while lots of other devices offer higher resolutions they also have to offer the same fluid gameplay at those resolutions. Hard to manage.
"You should never buy an EA game" is one of those sentences where the meaning changes based on which word you emphasize. I find it interesting you chose "buy". XD
I would be interested with the Orange Pi, if I'd not just grabbed a Legion Go.
Which runs lovely with Bazitte.
Good to see one/more defaulting to Linux though.
I may be missing something here, but I have always been able to stream gameplay on discord in game mode on my Steam Deck.
I'll be sure to like that smash button 5:02
GPD, AYA, One netbook, Aokzoe, Meteorish and maybe Ayn with their Loki Lile and Anbernic with their Win line must be screaming on the inside when they heard about the prices because now there's no excuse of any kind that they sell their devices at a higher price because they don't make money on videogame sales simpli because Orange Pi is also a Chinese brand and that I know of they will also not make money on videogame sales.
As with all these handhelds, what is the battery life? I don't care if it's powerful if I can't play on battery for at least 2.5hrs. Anything less is just not worth the money to me. Might as well just play on the PC and stream it at that point as you already going to be tied to a wall to play.
Maybe I'm a curmudgeon, but I always get a little grumpy when Wayland comes up. It sacrifices major core features of X11 that I rely on daily for basic computer use, in exchange for slightly faster performance.
What issues do you experience that you cant do on wayland?
@@linuxnext I'll try to answer, but youtube tends to shadowban comments longer than a sentence or two, so there's a good chance it'll get filtered...
Wayland tends to throw the baby out with the bathwater by focusing too much on security and forbidding genuinely useful features people depend on. For example, Wayland eliminated a lot of accessibility in the quest for security. But without accessibility, I can't use my own computer.
- Some examples...
- I have a hotkey to magnify whatever is under the cursor. It runs a program which sets its own window placement (it pops up on the opposite side of the screen from the cursor), and scrapes the screen continuously to display current info. These aren't allowed in Wayland.
- I have multiple computers that I use with a single keyboard and mouse, by just moving the cursor between screens. This is trivially easy in X11, with x2x or similar, but in Wayland it's forbidden for security reasons. So I can't use my own computers... at least, not without physically hurting myself.
- I run some background apps which set their own hotkey and only appear when that key is pressed. Like, a network-transparent clipboard manager for example. This doesn't work on Wayland because it doesn't allow global hotkeys.
- I track my computing activity _in great detail_ by monitoring my own keystrokes and mouse actions, and the titles of windows, and logging data about that. This is how I automatically track my work hours, for example, among other things. It's really useful and convenient. But Wayland doesn't allow it.
- I often work elsewhere, but still need access to my home systems. Because of this, I very frequently run GUI programs over the network. This is easy in X11, and even works while I'm roaming. But it isn't allowed in Wayland.
- I have a crap ton of custom functionality built into my window manager, Sawfish... and I frequently reconfigure it on the fly without logging out or restarting it. It gives me features I depend on heavily and can't get anywhere else, but the window manager doesn't work in Wayland and no compositors are even close, and some of the features aren't allowed so they can't be ported.
- I frequently don't use a mouse at all. Instead I operate the mouse using synthetic events triggered by a keyboard. One of the most useful and heavily-used functions here is the Warp key, which teleports the mouse between the current position and the last-warped-from position. It's like having two independent mouse cursors with a key to switch between them. But this isn't allowed by Wayland.
- Session managers are incapable of handling my year-long 500-window sessions consisting mostly of lightweight terminals and lightweight browsers, so I made my own session manager-like program which scrapes the state of all windows and logs whenever there are changes, in addition to logging periodically for archival purposes. This isn't allowed by Wayland.
- To help with keeping large sessions running a long time, I set things up so if my window manager crashes or needs to be restarted, I can easily do so without ending my session. This doesn't work in Wayland compositors.
- I archive and synchronize my configuration across many computers, using revision control tools. This is essential for managing a large and constantly changing set of computers across long time spans. Wayland isn't fundamentally incompatible with this approach, but the current Wayland ecosystem definitely doesn't play well with it.
- Almost none of the programs I use daily work on Wayland. Most could be ported, given enough developer effort, but realistically, that doesn't usually happen.
- I frequently use the local desktop session from remote computers using VNC. Wayland isn't compatible with this, despite it being an extremely popular feature, and instead kicked the can down the road... so now there is a mess of different solutions for different compositors, all attempting to offer the features which Wayland rejected for security reasons.
- I automate a lot of tasks, in programs which weren't designed to be automate-able. It's pretty easy and quick to code up automations on demand in just a few minutes, by using synthetic inputs and common accessibility tools. But most of that doesn't work in Wayland.
X11 solves all of these problems elegantly. Its creators seemed to really have a good understanding of real-world needs, and they built robust infrastructure to handle those needs long into the future. The computer, the input devices, and the display can all be freely mixed and matched... and it allows for all sorts of great features and practical use cases.
Meanwhile, Wayland provides drop shadows and fewer frame drops. Woot.
I don't need all the old cruft in X11, like line-drawing functions and 1-bit displays. But network transparency is absolutely essential. Without that, Wayland can never be a viable solution for me, because it simply _isn't a solution._
@@linuxnext Hi, sorry, I tried to give a detailed answer but youtube auto-deleted it. In-depth discussion isn't really possible on this platform.
Except for limited ports, this is a minisforum em780 with way more features and a lower price.
Well Neo will be welcome in countries, like ours, where we are deemed not worthy enough to be allowed to buy a Steam Deck.
Is a Manjaro Gaming Edition video in the works? Does it get more frames than Chimera?
yeah, it sucks having to deal with resellers.
Did they add Thai language in Virtual keyboard yet? I have to type in karaoke language every da*n time I want to talk in Thai😓
Can the steam deck use Wayland? I thought it used x11?
Gamescope runs on Wayland, using XWayland for the X11 calls. Desktop mode is currently still on X11, but that may change soon as KDE are talking on dropping support for X11.
Gamescope is Wayland, desktop mode is currently X11. Desktop mode will probably switch to Wayland eventually though
@mkljczk yep, I think you're right, I was conflating Fedora with KDE in general. Just one of those weeks.
@@foznoth is there any way to use Wayland in desktop mode? I have a 1440p monitor, and the scaling gets messed up between displays. I looked it up, and apparently x11 doesn't support per display scaling, but Wayland does.
@@charliepettigrew2818 not that I know of. Possibly with a bit of hackery taking it out of imutable mode. But if that was done it would have to be done every update.
Bazzite runs it's desktop session on Wayland, and the deck version runs pretty much the same as Steam OS. It run fine on my Legion Go, and did on my LCD Steam Deck. I've not tried it on the OLED as of yet as I've had too many other things at hand.
I trust in the Manjaro team, but all this Temu situation makes me suspicious of low priced chinese stuff... Are they going to collect our data with the Orange Pie?
Else, aside from the stick layout that I dislike, it looks really interresting.
I personally think the device is interesting, but I wouldn't ever get it, Manjaro is a poor reputation on the software side, DDoSing the AUR multiple times, and a lot of other stuff. If someone got the device and switched the distro, I wouldn't blame them
the worst part is that EA keeps gaming Steam's "Ignore Creator" store feature by creating alias' that redirects to their 20 different EA pages.
Now if only steam would fix the Arch Linux 105 error
2:46 hear that everyone... this guy needs to be saved sub to him...
Idea: Refund windows are re-opened for 4-7 days after a major content update is pushed.
Honestly the feature that is most missed on steam deck is the ability to switch games without a reboot.
more square pads make me sad. I need circles damn it!
Will the customer service be better than the deck? Im not so sure
0:40 it's not unoriginal if it's true.
self host... isnt that simple...
many people dont have an internet connection good enough to take millions of access at the same time.
and services that will host it for you can take it down, be it a git hosting site or just an ordinary site.
well, maybe a torrent...
Thank goodness discord is finally getting updated. Most annoying downside to Linux imo
So I've never been part of the Plants vs. Zombies community but... is there a Plants vs. Zombies community? Are there really a bunch of people cheating in Plants vs. Zombies?
Nobody cares about malware that doesn't negatively affect them. And it doesn't. Someone's gonna get screwed over by this, but nobody cares about some poor bastard who isnt them.
So with the whole ea thing. If you play modern ea games nowadays your brain is too smooth for anything close to a pc. Hence the universal apathy.
I’m here to “like that smash button”
Listen to the alicorn, folks.
how dare you call me a boomer shooter lmao🤣
4:08 et tu? You call it X? Even the url doesnt call it X.
ea being anti consumer again remind me why we are suprised again
Yeah but they will not have good support, hardware testing etc... DOA.
I don't buy EA or Ubisoft crap anyway. F them.