This and That: 2023 World Championships Women's Recap w/ Polina Edmunds (Kaori Sakamoto, Haein Lee)
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- Polina Edmunds joins us to break down the women's event at the 2023 World Figure Skating Championships. Kaori Sakamoto defended her title, Haein Lee earned a strong silver, Loena Hendrickx won bronze, and Isabeau Levito, Mai Mihara and Kim Chae-yeon rounded out the mix. Amber Glenn, Bradie Tennell and Maddie Schizas had some up and down moments. And it wasn't the Worlds that Yelim Kim would've wanted. We break it all down on the latest edition of 'This and That'.
My moment of the competition was learning that kaori's 2a in the sp had a speed of 18 km/hr. Only for Belinda to reveal in the fp that kaori thought that had been slow and then clocking a freaking 21 km/hr speed on the free 😱 Simply spectacular.
And jumped 3.87m in length 💫
Is this barrel jumping or figure skating? 2As should have a nice high arc. Her arc is like Miyahara on steroids, despite actually getting good height. Lol
@@gogroregogoror Bigger than some of the men's triple axel
And the running edge she gets out of the 2A 😍
Just speed, but this is not speed skating. This is figure skating!
The emotion and determination from Kaori had tears going down my face. You could tell how determined she was to skate well at this competition. After that pop she just kept pushing! Also, her short was fabulous.
Honestly, I know the pop was a big mistake, but the fact that she pulled off the 3T right after it was pretty iconic
I also want to say I was really impressed by Nicole Schott here, PBs in the SP, FS, and combined scores! In the past, she never attracted much attention form me, just another generic skater, but here she found the right time and place to rise to a new level.
I agree! I hope she continues to compete as I really enjoyed her performances! 🤩👏👏👏
Yes! Two performances that she will be so proud of for the rest of her life! And how M Huth is so calm and positive in the kiss and cry too.
I really enjoyed her. Which is weird because I remember finding her kind of plodding and boring last year. However, I found her programs and overall performance a real step up.
*She actually didn't get a PB in the short here. I just looked her up and technically her personal best is from last year, but it's by like .40 or something.
I agree! Nicole has been on a roll since Beijing. She has consistently been improving and as she is getting older she is finally improving on all fronts.
I was impressed too! She was so elegant!!
I so appreciate having guests for the different disciplines. Thank you for all you do for us skating stans
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Highlight of the week: Lee Ha-ein's FS, especially the St Sq. And Kaori making sure Ha-ein and Loena have flags to celebrate.
Yes! Loved how thoughtful Kaori was. ❤️
I am not into phantom. And Haein is so beautiful and her smile is worth a million bucks but she was so mute until the jumps were done.
@@youarestronger I'm not into Phantom that much either, but her posture and arm positions is so beautiful and perfect
If you want to add - between Haein's name, Hae-in is the right one, not Ha-ein.
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Kaori Sakamoto is an ICON, she's a LEGEND, she IS the moment. Come on now!
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Her posture makes me want to self-defenestrate. I'm sure she's a lovely person though.
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She reminds me of an Asian version of Irina Slutskya, lots of power, but not my cup of tea.
Icon ??? don’t say nonsense ??? She’s a star but icon no , surya bonali , Michelle kwan etc are icons …
I have been rooting for Haein for years and the past few weeks have been so exciting.
So excited to see what she does next season!!
She's awesome!
0:00 Intro, Lutz edge
3:23 Kaori Sakamoto
8:50 Haein Lee
14:42 Isabeau Levito
21:56 Loena Hendrix
All season long I have been rooting for Kaori. She skated her SP with the most confidence, energy, freedom, and security we have seen all year. Love, love, love. What a highlight of the event! I was nervous for her FS and my heart dropped when she singled the flip but I was so impressed when she immediately pulled off the triple toe after. She showed mental strength and experience when she pulled off the three jump combo and the loop at the end of the program after the error on the triple triple. She should be so proud of how much she has grown throughout her career and really this year alone. Branching out stylistically while keeping her strong jumps, competing after an especially draining Olympic season last year, defending her title....she has accomplished so much. She was so upset after her FS and she talked about how she didn't want to make the same mistake she did four years ago. I hope she isn't too hard on herself because her growth and resilience is very admirable.
I mean no disrespect to the other skaters but in my opinion Kaori is carrying this discipline on her shoulders right now. Many of these women have so many great qualities but are missing something, whether it's wonky technique or not having more interesting, engaging programs and performance quality, etc. I don't think I'm going to go back and rewatch many of these performances. Haein and Loena are beautiful skaters but need better programs, I know they are capable of sooo much more. I wonder about how in the past 8 or so years under the reign of Eteri, that empty and formulaic style was considered the golden standard by the judges that even without her skaters present here, we can see the impact present in what kind of skating we're seeing overall.
Let's not pretend that all her skaters are the same in terms of artistity. I agreed that a poor tecnique was expanded and determined on pre-puberty bodies, and that's a bad thing. However, Alyona Kostornaya's Angel SP(2019) was a real art product
I’m surprised and shocked over Polina’s comments regarding Amber Glenn. Does she not understand the scoring system. That she should have scored higher. 10-15 points higher? Let me tell you how she didn’t get these points. It is called missing jumps in combos. All season long, she did was -3T, -2T. She missed two jumps. She could add -eu 3S; But, if she can’t do this. Why not -2T 2A seq? She loses 5-10 points there. Also, two 3Lo is REP. She should have placed in 13th behind Schizas.
I really loved Niina Petrokina SP. That was probably an only program which choreography stood out for me in the whole female field.
I hardly knew she existed until this season. But she has made an impression. Recent events Niina is one of the people I make sure to see her skate. Looking forward to her future.
I respect Polina's expertise as a competitive skater- I personally think she focused a LOT on the jumps here. My favourite part of the whole event was Kaori's SP step sequence; Polina didn't go into choreography, musical interpretation etc., in as much depth. I would have liked to hear what she thought about programs other than "it was great".
I understand that it is frustrating when technical errors are ignored. But I really don't agree with the rhetoric Polina gave that people with edge issues on their jumps shouldn't be on the podium (25:05). When I look back at Mao Asada, my favourite performance of hers is Sochi 2014 Rachmaninoff (where she has a flutz), not that one competition where she did a lutz properly. Jumps should be judged properly, but all the other elements are important too.
I agree with that
On the other hand, Polina eloquently expresses what many of us are frustrated about in particular preferential scoring for certain skaters like Kaori, who basically receives tech call immunity on her suspect triple lutz edge with high GOE near +2 in both the SP and LP and to my eyes she had one hooked (ur) landing on her triple jump combo ignored. Even with this beneficial, Kaori's base tech score for completed elements in the long program was about 7 points lower than Haein Lee's, yet her advantageous scoring allowed her to close the gap to 2 points after also receiving more generous scoring than Haein Lee in the SP as well. Meanwhile, overly harsh tech calls are made against her opponents like the q call on Haein Lee's beautiful triple lutz / triple toe combo with deflated GOE of -.10. In my opinion, Kaori was also overscored in PCS compared to Haein Lee with the 5 points extra Kaori received in PCS being more than the difference in their final scores; therefore it is clear to me that Haein Lee should be the real World Champion. I believe Kaori is a very good skater, but I personally prefer more graceful skaters with less overt pumping of the body to gain speed like Haein Lee and I also prefer Haein Lee's musicality and intricate and agile steps, expressions bladework, erect posture and grace more. Comments were just removed and disabled under Haein Lee's freeskate video and the Ladies Freeskate video was removed altogether at about the same time, both of which contained a great deal of disagreement with the scoring and results. This strikes me as kind of a silent confession of scoring manipulation and demonstrates that as much as I disliked the great scoring favoritism in favor of Eteri skaters a similar kind of beneficial scoring is now being given in my opinion at least to Kaori.
@@johnjackson3735 This has been the case for her in Japan for years. Just ask any Rika or Wakaba fan how ridiculous the JSF has been in its favoritism for Kaori over everyone.
@@joeyartk Yes, I will never forget 2018 Nationals when Rika should have won with two triple axels in the long program. It is especially aggravating because Rika could have just flutzed away and taken the pressure off her chronic ankle injury, but she didn't receive the teflon tech immunity and PCS, GOE inflation of Kaori.The ISU is really shooting itself in the foot because they could have created a rivalry between Japan and South Korea by giving Haein Lee the victory she deserved with a classically graceful style favored by so many like me and others but they had to force the scoring manipulation down people's throats.
@@johnjackson3735 I believe the whole fairytale about Kaori having such great quality technique was cooked up between her team and JSF so that she could try to compete with Rika, despite Kihira's content being miles above Sakamoto. The JSF have always hated Wakaba, so they just continued to perpetually nitpick and lowball her compared to Kaori. You notice this really took off following the season Kaori showed she had no chance whatsoever of doing Quads or a 3A. What is most frustrating is that while being touted as cleaner and more technically superior, Kaori actually uses alot of poor, cheated technique to hide her flaws on several jumps. Rika doesnt have edge issue, and Wakaba at least tries to do her flip correctly. Kaori on the other hand tries to disguise her lutz edge until changing to inside at the last minute. She also jumps most jumps with a circular entry to make it harder to spot her pre-rotation and often under rotated landings. Her whole speed skater style is to hide her lack of grace, yet it is celebrated as superior, Lol. Same goes for often cheat assisted jumps with the abnormally low arc that are also lauded. The judges are well aware of these things, yet completely ignore and even reward them. The only exception was Worlds a few years ago when the US needed to qualify 3 spots for the Olympics. Then they actually called Kaori on a few things. That tells you all you need to know about ISU integrity. Lol
Also I thought Chae-yeon Kim deserved more discussion. She had such grown up and sophisticated programs. It did take me aback a little to see such a mature long skate program for a young woman. But I think this long game approach to incorporating more sophisticated music choice and choreography at a younger age is smart and will prepare her better in the next few years.
So agree!
Dave and Jonathan I wanted to hear your feedback! Paulina is really formal and doesn’t really volunteer ideas until pressed, and then only will talk about edges not the rest of the programs or performances.
Joannie Rochette is another skater who was able to fix her Lutz edge 😍
Yes, you guys are amazing for putting out so back to back recaps, I enjoy and appreciate your commentary a lot ❤
Polina can talk lutz edges when she handles them herself, sure didn’t in 2014. The event was great quality
You don't have to be a playwright to be a theater critic. Polina knows what she's talking about. Whether she had a correct lutz edge herself is irrelevant.
Dave, you were right. You said at the beginning of the season that the level of competition and performances (in most of the disciplines) would be down but that things would be more back to normal by worlds. So many of the individual competitors and teams rose to the occasion. This worlds felt so organic and the unpredictability of the ladies’ competition in particular was refreshing when compared to more recent seasons. The outstanding crowd and many inspiring performances across all the disciplines made this worlds a joy to watch. Not having the Russians competing and their federation’s influence over the judging panels really has felt as if a dark cloud over the sport has been lifted.
the russians are gone, for now. But the cloud stays. The scoring and the placement..Urghhhhhhhhh
It was a long road to get here, but the sport is recovering a bit.
I am impressed with Polina having the guts to state that she would have put Haein Lee in first place and she did it with diplomacy and grace and also gave the detailed reasons why based on tech elements.
I agree that it might benefit Loena a lot to try a different choreographer. And, yes, it also seems to me that her coaching team "brands" her; though it is only my perception.
However it is, Loena truly is a great skater and I wish her to ascend to the next levels of her skating and discover the next horizons, and to be authentic.
I agree 100% with Johnathan, as I too am ‘jonesing’ for more classical warhorse music in skating programs these days. As someone who used to go to both live skating competitions and Stars on Ice every year (back in the 90s), I was always amazed at how much more elegant the top skaters looked on ice when they were skating to iconic classical music versus the pop/rock musical selections. Personally, if a skater possesses beautiful line and has the ability to move like a ballerina, it’s just tragic to see that type of skater use Top 40 music, as it really doesn’t bring out the beauty in their skating. When the ISU changed the music rules, I think it cheapened the overall look to the sport.
I remember Dave suggesting that Maddie go back to her old long program and I was so happy and surprised that she actually did! It was a good choice
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Thanks for all your work in getting these up! I appreciate Polina's input, but do miss the banter of just the two of you! (Although having said that you have banter when you have Megan on!) Love it all!!❤
Glad you like them!
I thought Polina's comments on Isabeau were spot on, particularly regarding the lack of freedom of movement and that being a maturity thing. That makes so much sense. I also agree about Loena. The first half of her free skate was such a snooze that I found myself wondering if she had changed the music because I didn't remember it being so boring earlier in the season.
I personally wonder if women's skating all looks the same now (Kaori excepted) because we've had several years of essentially only Russians with all the same choreography and all the same style winning, so it's seemed like that's the only way to win.
I also hate that later skaters automatically get higher PCS and GOE just for going later. I notice it even more in the men's event, where we see early skaters with good skating skills and choreography and performance level (Graham Newberry from GB comes to mind) get way lower GOE and PCS than say, Daniel Grassl.
Ave Maria would be a beautiful short for isabeu next year...
It would.
Isabeau has the classic Eteri girl technique that needs to be fixed.
Kaori short was so amazing!🖤And Mai💖
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i dont know but i do like the comments of Polina and waiting for her reactions. she is an olympian and i follow her on IG and her reels is very educational for me. she helped me understand camel spin more.
She is well informed and so well spoken. Always a great episode when she is on with Dave and Jonathan!
So fantastic thank you for back to back TSLs - and love Polina’s insights - I think she would make a great coach/trainer
I'm really hopeful for Isabeau and she is lovely but each time she jumped I said "oof". Hope she can improve on those jumps over the next year as she matures.
So hard to do
She is a lovely skater but the jump technique hurts me to watch. Puberty could be a down fall for her using that technique. Hopefully her coach and parents get her the training for proper jump techniques soon.
@@louisehancock324 She is probably already past puberty. She is 16.
@@skatefan9495 Not all girls. My granddaughter grew in height at 13 but feminine changes such as hip, breast develop and monthly visitor did not happen until 17. She was a competitive runner which can slow down some changes in body structure, negatively effecting some athletes.
@@louisehancock324 Yes, there is always the exception that proves the rule. The vast majority of 16 year old girls are past puberty.
Loved the analysis, Polina, Dave, Jonathan.
Agree, Haein Lee was, in my humble opinion, more likely to be first.
Isabeau continues to worry me, and I hope both physically and psychologically, she is ok.
Hae in Lee's free program is one of my favorites this year coz the program suits her a lot. She has some kinds of serene elegance which I also saw in her short program Ave Maria. Chae yeon Kim and Luna hendrix did a good job too. Thank you Polina. It was a good review.
Heard enough phantom for a lifetime
It doesn't matter music is heard a lot or not. The importance is that the program fits the skater artistically and athletically I think.
They need to reclassify the lutz with the long backward edge glide circa early 90s.
I think Haien Lee should have won the World Championships. She made no mistakes other than those given by tech crews who gave biased calls favoring Kaori relatively and judges deflated her PCS and GOE. Haein Lee has beautiful grace, smooth fluidity and fast skating with smooth jumps, great musicality and step sequences attuned to the music and even in Japan she brought the crowd to their feet with a standing ovation.Kaori's suspect lutz edge was ignored and even given a high GOE like 1.94 in for the SP and the LP. I also noticed a ur hook in the ice (ur) in the middle of one of her triple combo jumps in the long program that was ignored. Even with this advantageous scoring, Kaori's base value in the LP based on executed elements was a full 7 points lower, and this in addition to the overly harsh q and low GOE call on Haien's beautiful triple lutz / triple tope with -.10 GOE. So, Kaori's 7 points deficit in the LP is reduced to 2 or 3 points and she is given an overly generous 5 points PCS cushion across the SP and LP and more beneficial GOE. Kaori has been consistently scored more generously in Japan even among her own teammates as evidenced by 2018 Nationals which Rika Kihira should have won in my opinion.
The event was in Kaori's country and she is the previous world champion, so I've sort of expected these factors playing a role before the event.
@@johnl405Well this basically means the results are fixed and meaningless and one must decide and calculate the scores more accurately for themselves.
@@johnjackson3735 To a degree yes. If Kaori had another error in the long, then it'd be really hard to justify her winning overall. I'm just glad Russia was out of it this past year, and I really hope it continues. Though it is truly a farce that the coaches and officials are not punished as well. In fact they should be banned for life, for the fact that Trimetazadine showing up in Valieva's urine.
@@johnl405 Lesson 1 on obvious manipulation which this assuredly was is that there is no need to get the blowback from doing it like removing videos full of complaints about the scoring as happened in this case unless the manipulation is decisive in changing the final placements.
Kaori's 3Toe was not underrotated.
I am sorry but Polina while very intelligent as a skater really never had a great personality on ice. She is good at analyzing; well spoken that doesn't mean you are an entertaining skater. I still have nightmares of a tacky bow on her dress lol. But she is a great guest; not sure about her skating.
Love polinas insight on the skating it’s very nice to hear an adult intelligent perspective, would love to hear this during the shows broadcast for tv audience….love J&T but you’re right David they commentate like 5 year olds are watching and it can be annoying…. I wish you and Jonathan or you and Polina would commentate competitions, it would educate so many tv viewers, and I believe bring more attention to the skaters!!! ❤
Loved all the TSL commentary on the worlds thanks. I loved Junhwah Cha’s skating but felt quite uncomfortable with the MJ music choice in the short programme. Loved Belinda and Mark’s commentary. Was interesting to hear them compare the speed on the double axel landings for the women’s event. Also loved Belinda’s commentary on the women’s Olympics events especially the Russian women and loved how she said Anna Scherbekova needed to extend her leg and point her leg I.e basic skating skills
I loved men's event. It was some of the best skating I've ever seen. I think Jun should've won but Shoma was good, too, despite the mistakes. The women's event was interesting. Haein was awesome and I was kinda shocked not to see her win. I have complicated feelings about this event because, yes, pcs-wise it was a great event, and yes, it's nice to see how fast Kaori's 2A is, but it's still only a 2A and this is a sport, everyone should try to push the boundaries. Nobody in top 5 tried any ultra c, not even a loop combo which does bring the level back to 2017. And everyone kept talking about wrong edges with the Russian girls but top 5 here still had a bunch of uncalled edges. Artistically, I liked watching the programs here but the Russian local competitions were just more exciting for me as a viewer. And the best women's competition this season is still Junior Worlds, Mao was epic! Next season, I think I'll move to watching mainly men, hopefully everyone will stay injury-free and will be able to deliver their best skates.
Podium is correct ❤👍
Agree.
Honestly this worlds was all about the Korean skaters- definitely an up and coming powerhouse country for skating
KSU doesn't make any choices on who to send to what competitions.
With competitions like JGP, 4CC, Junior/Senior Worlds, University Games and Youth Olympic Games, the top rankers from the qualifying events AUTOMATICALLY qualify. For JGP, the skaters themselves (in order of their placement at the qualifier) also choose which event to compete at. Similarly, skaters choose which challengers to compete at and if there are too many wanting to compete at the same event, they get cut off according to national team rankings.
If skaters don't want to compete at a competition, they can withdraw. Haein was supposed to compete at JWC last season but withdrew after getting silver at 4CC and Ahsun replaced her (because she was the first sub according to nationals result).
Flip & lutz edges are of course important, but if they are the only flaw in a program, that’s not a reason to be kept off a podium. That’s a weird argument to make. Of all potential errors one could make, that one does nothing to affect any other aspect of the program. Take the “e” or “!”deduction for that element & move on. It’s a minor error in the big picture.
Omg!! Thank you Polina for calling it out!!
I believe the women’s event has been the least interesting overall for the past 10 years. Meanwhile the mens event has hands down become the premiere event year after year. Diversity of styles, individuality, movement quality, hard tech and evolved artistry.
Thankyou for all these recaps.Cant wait for the dance ❤
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I miss timeline stamps.
How do you watch the ISU commentary? I can only find certain medal winners' videos.
The ISU has botched this so badly it should be an example of how not to do a World Championships for the future to learn from.
You might need a VPN to see the whole event, they're geo-blocked if your country had the streaming rights
@@TinaOe We do, and I watched it without commentary on Peacock, but I love Noonan!
@@TheLkell00 I did vpn Spain. The isu channel on CZcams. Then you do videos. Or. Just type in saitama world free women. Or something in search
Hmm yeah. I’ve just checked. I don’t know where the full session videos are on their channel. It’s v odd. I’m just used to putting it in the search bar because it’s so useless ! I don’t know how anyone who didn’t know you COULD see the whole event would find it or know you could watch I? 😮😂
Now that’s she’s a two time world champion , is she on the same level as mao asada , will she be one of the greats . I consider mao asada a great .
What????... Por favor no insulte a MAO ASADA... ella tiene una figura muy estilizada, es una verdadera patinadora artística!!.. ademas MAO fue acreedora a muchos 3A !!!.. Piense bien al hacer sus comparaciones 😉
Thank you Polina for giving us your insight!
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Dave, what was the name of the podcast you shared with Johnathan regarding baseball’s home run dilemma? I’d love to have a listen as I think you mentioned it was similar to skating’s quad dilemma.
I think women feel that they’ll
Score higher with classical music. It seems that other styles are fun but for some reason people are afraid to use them for “important seasons”.
100. They either have to be pretty and girly , delicate or do tangos. That seems to be the vast majority of styles. i enjoyed Nina from Estonia, Leona short, kaori’s short just to name a few of top ones. Anything with personality basically! It isn’t rewarded enough to perform or embody a piece when you can get away with just wafting hands around and a delicate face to a ‘classic’ (as in phantom etc no offence to haein, great skater and she won’t have chosen it) or classical style. Pretty dress, pretty arms but dull. Korean skaters and many Japanese (bar wakaba and kaori) seem to do this. Beautiful dresses., lovely presentation, zero individuality. Such a shame as I think there is so much potential so that’s prob why it annoys me! Miahara on other hand is lovely skater but she skated the same to her free as she does everything else and I assume that was supposed to be feisty ! Someone low down in technical can do something original and with personality and they don’t get rewarded so I assume many think why bother!
Thank you all for sharing with us! I love your recaps.
Glad you like them!
Polina is not a great journalistic personality. She doesn’t have professionalism but has cattiness. She has more of a place as a mean coach bc she does know what she is saying, but she just doesn’t know how to convey it professionally. What a contrast from Renee
I thought some of the scoring was a bit over inflated. I would have put Kaori first in the short program, but I thought the cushion with a short program score close to 80 was a bit too much. The cushion was too much for Hae-in to overcome in the free (there's also the argument Kaori's long program score of 145 was too high). So that was suspect, but there is always the home country scoring effect, which is a given. But going back to Hae-in, she generally skates clean, so to see her scoring rise as of late compared to previous years really confirms that the Koreans and her in particular, were underscored with the judging all corrupted by the politics only just a year ago (team Eteri predominating, but also team USA and others playing a role for a piece of that pie as well).
Our technical edge queen is back
Yassss. It's hard to believe she ever got an edge call or underrotation considering how confidently she speaks on the issue.
Came back here to ask if anyone knows who did the choreography for Kaori's Love Shack exhibition? Rohene?
We need more people like Polina and Meagan on the judging panel.
Shout out to Niina Petrokina who skated beautifully and earned 2 spots next year for Estonia
Loena’s programs look like her brother and partner channeling themselves through her as a woman. It looked like their material and honestly she’s talented beyond their ability .
Period.
She needs to move away
I like knowing for the most part who was gonna medal
Returning stars are definitely important for a sport.
Kaori is a great skater but in all fairness, South Korea's Lee Hae-In should have won gold.
Kaori is a good skater. Too many flaws to be great.
💯 I honestly prefer Mai Mihara to Kaori. If she isn't skating to The Piano, I'm not here for it.
I think Haein should have won by two or three points, as well. I gave Kaori negative GOE for her popped 1F3T and subtracted a couple of points in GOE for each Lutz. I also lowered Haein's PCS a few points in the free skate to give her 8.5s instead of low 9s, since I do think Kaori has better PCS. Haein ended up with 218 to Kaori's 215. I'm obviously a layperson, but yeah... Haein should have won gold!
@@zackwilson8701 when you see the URs Kaori got away with, u might change hers to bronze. Lol
@@joeyartk fair enough! Beyond Kaori and Haein, who else do you think should have podiumed here? The rest of the skaters were so messy...
Dave, you look fantastic in this black turtleneck, a real artiste ❤️
Thank you!
Kurakova was criminally underscored! 😢
What about Gubanova? I'm scared to watch bc I'm afraid she made many mistakes 😢
I always thoroughly enjoy Katia's programs.❤
@@pgk3052 i never ever liked any of her programs; simply I don't. But it does not meant that she is a bad skater. She is great! but I do not enjoy her skating at all
@@koknesis5226 I understand, people have different preferences and that's fine. 🙂
She just makes me incredibly happy when she skates/performs because it's always done with such abandon.
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I’d buy a coffee table book of Polina’s greatest Yelp reviews - tire rotations, Taco Bell...she shows up with a POV.
She GIVES it to us! 😍
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I wish Mariah Bell had decided to compete another season and had more support from the USFS and a better coach. I truly believe that if she had competed, the US would have kept all 3 spots. I feel like she never reached her full potential.
you are right about coach if you ean Rafael
Amazing episode as always!
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Thank you for improving your pronunciation of Yelim's name. Now, it's Hay-in, not Hye-in.
I think Loena deserved to be placed so highly in the short. The quality of all her other elements were too notch across the board. She has so much speed, power, musicality and transitions. I'd shower her in GOE. And I may be alone, but I love her free skate music
Thanks for the info!
Hopefully you'll have more success than I did requesting Medvedeva to be correctly pronounced 😭😂
It's He-in , not "hay-in".... Loena is good, but has lots of problems and has a history of being overscored.
@@jenvogue5005 💯 I would have given Mai the bronze.
@@thesovgc definitely more deserving
I would like to recall Sarah Hughes’ and have her do the correct edge for her Lutz.
That was merely a VISUAL error!
Still waiting for a costume deduction for Kurakova for her orange tights. Maybe next time.
And the balloons on the dress. They infantilise her. Yes she is small and ‘cute’ but she is in her 20s! Just removing those balloons would help! She has bags of personality and charisma, skates with personality and they gave her that. She deserves more.
Bradie seems like a stubborn girl but she needs to be doing the triple lutz double axel combo
OMG POLINA!!! She is Megan Thee Stallion levels of SAVAGE! Je l'aime !!!
Nice to hear
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Brassiere and Amber
39:00 with Jonathan question about Korean federation, answering from observing the Korean mind of K-Pop training or studying culture, Repetition, and getting constant feedback are essential. Like K-pop trainees before they debut, they rarely have a holiday, lots of learning and a hardcore training with overall 10 hrs a day. Always have a monthly evaluation with dance, solo, and group performances. Studying for a regular high school runs 12-16 hours a day. The after-school study is very common. But they don't consider this a sport, and the injury risk increases with more exhaustion. I guess Korean doesn't take exhaustion as an excuse not to compete.
I like Haein; she is powerful and her extensions are beautiful, but I find her arms too rigid and lack elegance. Or is it because I saw Mone just before her at 4CC? 😊
You must hate Sakamoto then. Lol
@@joeyartk I don't ‘hate’ anyone. Like I said, I like Haean.
@@hbattagl I was making a joke because Sakamoto is among the worst at the 2 things you mentioned, that's all.
That's funny because I think her arms are always perfectly positioned.
@@johnl405if you like stiffness and lack of grace and musicality , Kaori is your cup of tea I guess. That's ok. No skater is perfect.
I hear where Polina is coming from about Glenn; Madi; Kimmy underscored but we see the politics especially in dance. Without Russia I was assuming we would see more program oriented skates as the tech was not so challenging but nope it is stil everyone ticking off boxes. Lots of good/very good skaters but no one really excellent or special. Kaori and skaters not skating to programs that really complimented and complemented the skaters talents.
Agree with Polina.... I don't agree with the placement.... speak the truth!
Please, please Dave, stop with the derogatory grandmother comments. It’s very demeaning. Ageism doesn’t become you. Thank you!
Was he speaking ill of the elderly? 😢
I was not speaking ill of the elderly. I was saying her program doesn't reflect her age or personality.
@@TheSkatingLesson I figured as much 🤗
I think Isabeau is beautifully packaged and really impressed that she does her own hair and makeup. Her dresses are clearly in the Russian style and even made in Russia. The simplicity of 90’s velvet spaghetti strap dresses are not on trend anymore - even adult figure skaters are fully bedazzled
Lol agree with you, Dave!
I have posted here twice today and my replies keep disappearing. What’s up with that?
Did you post links? I've had replies disappear when I do that.
@@L.Spencer No, I included no links. My reply/replies were to help you out by letting you know how I accessed Worlds with commentary on CZcams as it was blocked. I downloaded the free ProtonVPN app and then chose the location Netherlands and then the videos will appear on CZcams. Hopefully, this reply doesn’t get blocked. This way you can hear Belinda Noonan!
@@TwinnerA sometimes the spam detector picks up people recommending apps and such as spam when it isnt- maybe thats why :(
Polina right on about favoritism for Kaori. It's been like that in Japan since she came up to seniors. It has to make Rika and Wakaba sick. And Kaori does have issues with pressure like most skaters do if you look at her past. That pop showed that. Kaori is good, but not an all time great.
Rika and Wakaba >>>> Kaori. It's a damn shame. I'd rather watch Rika do 3S combos.
If we're being honest, Kaori is more consistent than Wakaba has ever been. But Wakaba is much better with musical interpretation.
@@deirdrekiely6187 Wakaba would be just as consistent if the judge's allowed her to get away with the sloppy technique and mistakes Kaori does. Watch her pick assisted jumps in slow motion sometimes. Constant massive pre rotation, yet still under rotates often. Not to mention poor upper body carriage, stiff back, and lack of grace. Shocking the scores she gets with the mediocre content she has.
Haein has edge issues too
@@thh982 Not as bad as Kaori, but she does. E for Kaori, ! For Lee. Both should be called. I don't care who wins. I just want honest scoring. At least she rotated her jumps better than Kaori, regardless of what the judges pretended to see. Lol
Love to see Polina. She does call skaters out. I have been working on my skating skills
Not really a fan of these recaps with guests tbh…with the exception of Meagan duhamel! They don’t seem to add to the commentary
Did Polina think anybody did a good job or really enjoy anyone??😊. She seems a bit fed up and over it. Edit, just found it. Kimmie rippon and the mid placed s Korean girl (so sorry forgot her name) 😊
I feel like a solution is some lady needs to go out there, do something different, and have a moment. They don't have to win but the Jason Brown effect works.
One solution: Gracie Gold should bring back Firebird. She did it so well the first time and I feel like it'd be a "Hey everyone! Remember how spectacular a big, powerful classical piece can be!" Moment
The judging was truly terrible. Nina Petrokina and Nina Pinzarrone were super-harshly judged and both deserved better ranking and much higher scores. Chayen Kim deserved to win the FP, but all in all HAEIN LEE was robbed the gold medal she actually deserved. Isabeau was overscored in the short in which Kimmy Repond was underscored.
So, apart from the catastrophic judging, I believe something should seriously be changed in the rules because, as of now, the SP events are unwatchable. Even with the crème de la crème it is impossible to sit through the SP and watch the skaters performing the same structured programs ad nauseam.
With all that being said, we did not miss the Russians at all.
The best moment to me was the medal ceremony when Kaori reached to the crowd to provide a Belgian flag for Loena Hendrickx. That girl is something!
Exactly I totally agree about Haein Lee being robbed of gold. She had 7 points higher in base tech score for completed elements alon in the LP and that is with a bogus q call on her triple lutz / triple toe with -.1 GOE while Kaori's suspect triple lutz edge was ignored in both the SP and LP and given sky high GOE of +2. In addition, Kaori was given a 5 point PCS cushion over Haein Lee over the SP and LP. In my opinion, Haein Lee's smooth stroking with minimal extraneous pumping to gain speed, her great musicality and intricacy in her step sequences and her marvelous grace and erect posture through her jumps with picturesque spins should have won both tech and PCS.
I would have put Chae-yeon FS over Hae-in. It was much more interesting music and more interesting choreography.
@@johnl405 I would have Haein Lee in first place in the freeksate and I prefer Haein Lee's artistry, expression, erect posture and flow through her jumps, and her intricate step sequences but everyone is free to have their opinion.
Polina looks stunning.
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She really does, And confident as well as.
I haven't watched (this video) yet but my impression was that Haein would have won if it were the Olympics.
I'm so intrigued. Could you elaborate? 🤔 And does that mean that if Beijing was a Worlds that Trusova would have won?
@@thesovgc I'm only saying that the younger, energy filled womens skater seems to surprisingly win over the more mature skater at the Olympics, Tara Lipinski, Sarah Hughes, Alina Zagitova, Adelina Sotnikova. I didn't watch 2006 and 2010 Olympics. I don't think my theory applies to Trusova, the three Russian women had kind of a different dynamic, in my opinion. Valieva was the youngest, newest and still expected to clinch.
I should add I'm just a casual enthusiast, with no expertise in technique. So take my opinion with a huge grain of salt. I just think the Olympics values the excited emotion of a younger skater.
I wish the S Korean ladies were given some time off and better music to skate too. They often look exhausted and uninspired. They are ways doing the same style, I’d love to see them given something fun, upbeat or passionate. To see their different personalities as they are all very cookie cutter and it’s a disservice to their talent
Couldn't disagree more. Haien Lee gave my favorite and most engaging performances at Worlds for me and she received a standing ovation in Japan so obviously most in the audience thought the performance and the music she interpreted was really inspired.
@@johnjackson3735 I meant in general! They compete too much and have they same style. Yes she was excellent! but the music is not original or inspired but that’s not her fault. I would never blame the women for their programs
When I saw Eteri in the SP with Daniel my heart dropped 🤣😭 I was like omg!! So shocked! I miss Eteri 🤣😭
She doesn't want us to forget her, does she.
I don’t like Polina lol. She just seems really entitled and kinda rude. Also it’s funny that her is talking about wrong edges when her edges weren’t always right.
I didn't think Kaori related to her music at all, especially in the LP. So I think she could work more on picking music that she enjoys and doing choreography that feels natural for her.
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I agree. These programs did not feel at all like Kaori…at least in comparison with her Olympic programs which felt like Kaori 100%
I remember liking her Amelie program a few years ago. I should rewatch it.
@@slumberland969 She's trying something different, got to at least respect that
Obviously everyone has their own opinion, but for me it's the exact opposite. I really see her feeling that LP music and she makes me feel it too. Hers was my favorite performance of the night by far even with the mistake.
Without the Russians it just seems no one is being challenged. Very few triple axels no quads just boring skating. And the women’s event could have used a spitfire like Alysa Liu. Sure miss her.
Had Amber scored 10 pts higher, she would've been in 7th place. With Isabeau's 4th, we'd have 11 points and 3 spots next year.
Somebody help our girls, please.
Yep, the gold and bronze medal was definitely swapped
Amber was underscored! So unfortunate
New rule-lutz either edge!
Lutz has to be done on an outside edge, otherwise it's not a Lutz.
@@deirdrekiely6187 Then maybe the flutz should be legal since it gets used so much…
@Catherine Sullivan No. That's ridiculous. Jumps require specific edge take-offs. Skating is about edges and curves. We don't need to dumb down the sport for skaters with poor technique.
@@deirdrekiely6187 well it’s what skaters do and if they are not penalized for the wrong edge, improper technique continues.
My favourite moment of the 2023 World figure skating championships would be probably Haen Lee of actually skating especially the long program but really the skating isn't great. Not great personalites. Not great programs. Not great content. Some very good stuff but a lot of skaters trying to get levels and goes. So really the highlight has to be Dave and Jonathan - they can make cement drying interesting.
Can someone get Isabeau to put on some self tanner and some rouge. She was white as the ice. She was so washed out. I know she's a kid but she needs to brighten up her look.
I thought she was very pale also. I was worried that she was not well. I think more youthful costumes would help also.
She doesn’t want to fall into that “Jersey girl” stereotype… I think Isabeau has a beautiful complexion…wonder what you think of black & brown ladies and how they look against the ice 🤔
I thought it was kind of refreshing to see a 16 year old who wasn't wearing heavy makeup.
She does not need anything you think to please your sick thoughts,Isabeau is gorgeous and charming young lady :inside and outside !With mesmerizing presentation on the ice !Beautiful face with no make up for once ,why she does not need one !
@@skatefan9495 thank you 💯🙌
Isabeau -had breathing performance!