This and That: 2023 Four Continents Figure Skating Championships
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- This week, the top skaters outside of Europe headed to Colorado Springs to battle the altitude at the 2023 Four Continents Figure Skating Championships. Kao Miura and Keegan Messing both skated spectacular performances for a stunning end of the men's competition. The Ice Dance Academy of Montreal swept the dance event with Chock and Bates winning gold, Fournier Beaudry and Sorensen winning silver, and Lajoie and Lagha winning bronze. Haein Lee, Yelim Kim, Isabeau Levito, Bradie Tennell, Amber Glenn, Mone Chiba and Rinka Watanabe highlighted the women's event. Riku Miura and Ryuichi Kihara won gold in pairs, Emily Chan and Spencer Howe earned silver and Deanna Stellato and Maxime DesChamps earned bronze. We also discuss Doug Mattis, Frank Carroll and Jamie Sale on the latest edition of 'This and That'.
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Timestamps (in progress)
Sad FS News
- 0:56 Doug Mattis passed away :(
- 2:22 Frank Carroll has cancer :(
3:18 4CC
- 3:47 Isabeau Levito
- Side conversations
- 7:12 USGYM CZcams vs USFS
- 9:01 Colorado location and high attitude
- 10:28 Increasing demanding
- 14:47 Mental Health
- John Luke
- 15:16 Isabeau
- 19:04 Trusova
- 21:30 Dave’s story on firing Galina last year
- 23:18 Green/Parson world spot
- 24:36 Twisties
- 25:30 koyada
- 26:57: Megan’s comment on why USFS so focus on 3 spots
- 28:26 Ice Dance
- 28:48 Marjorie/Zachary
- 31:54 Laurence/Nikolaj
- 33:59 Chock/Bates
- 40:16 Green/Parson
- 45:05 Carreira/Ponomarenko
- (46:09 Side Conversation on Titanic 3D)
- 47:32 Men
- 48:20 Kao Miura
- 48:50 Keegan Messing
- 50:10 Boyang Jin / Tracy Wilson :)
- 52:03 Jun hwa cha
- 55:22 Shun Sato
- 55:58 Mikhail Shaidorov
- 56:38 Jimmy Ma
- 59:46 Maxim Naumov
- 1:01:08 Conrad Orzel
- 1:01:54 Stephen Gogolev
- 1:02:28 Liam Kapeikis
Thank you so much!
No pairs discussion 😭
Thank you SO MUCH
thank you very much
TYSM!!!!
Such a great skate for Keegan. He is a skater that I feel is enjoys skating even when he's not perfect. He is so appreciative of the audience, as well. So happy for him.
Also let’s give props to Keegan’s fitness. His power and speed throughout that program were never dampened due to the altitude. 👌
Seems in his final season he's getting the component scores he's deserves. His skating skills are second to none. I do wonder if he would have been more successful if he had even tried another technical coach even for a summer. I wonder if a few months with Raf, for example, would have done for his skating.
@@vistaprime He needed polish...cricket club really could have cleaned up his untamed skating
Top tracy moments:
3. To Jin, "It can only get better from here"
2. "Jason, that was beautiful"
1. "Ohh Evgenia, you are such a fighter"
My favourite is from when she commentated Skate Canada a few years ago and Yuzuru blew a cluster "He's laughing, but we'll be having words later"
Moment of the week for me was absolutely Keegs. His love of skating shines through and I scared my cat with my clapping and whooping. And then Miura skating lights out too. Oh and honourable mention to Junwah - we can manifest this!!
Keegs and Kao were my favorite moments this week too. Honorable mentions to Jun and Shun too.
Chock and Bates's Free Dance was a revelation to me: mesmerizing, creative, unique. After the competition dance menu of same old, same old, nothing fresh or inventive, no voice or viewpoint....whoosh, enter WIND and FIRE. The flame flickers, re-shapes, flicks on and off, fingers of fire flying from Chock's fingers, intimate sparks....At the whim of air, the flames leap, grow, twirl, and die. Extraordinary. I am now a big fan; best free dance I've ever seen.
I’m blown away by the growth of this program and them. Not my fav free dance ever, but with this growth, they are now the class of the field this season.
Really appreciate your sensitivity to Isabeau's withdrawal. You are so right - athletes need so much more support for their mental health when they reach this level! It's imperative, especially for these young athletes with so much pressure.
Lajoie and Lagah free skate is my favorite this season. They really feel the music. Their speed is incredible.
Thank you so much again, guys. Really hope Isabeau is well and healthy in body, mind and spirit. Performance of the 4CC was Keegan. The joy of being out there. I smiled and cheered. Also Chris Howarth's commentary on the ISU feed and how people who are not British are confused by his "sayings" - "that really puts the cat among the pigeons " etc.
Hearing you say that there is trauma involved in having ADHD touches me. I have ADHD and I used to skate. It certainly didn't help my jump technique or my exactness in footwork. The freedom of emotional expression that skating gave was important to me because I faced so much rejection for being different. Now skating doesn't give skaters that freedom. It's sad.
I'm still emotional for Hae-in and Keegan!❤ This was the best ISU competition this season by far.
I adore Amber Glenn this year and it hurt my heart to see her not have solid free skate. Get it done at worlds girl, you got this!!
I think Maddie Schizas feels a lot of pressure from Skate Canada to get the second spot back, she's really been the women to hold Canadian women together for the last year starting with the Team Event at the Olympics, she's seems very burnt out this season. The Free has not clicked all season but she seems to be cracking under the pressure from Skate Canada. The white hair guy the head of skate Canada (mike I can't remember his last name right not) was downright cold to her coming off ice when he was waiting by the kiss and cry... idk I hope she takes some time to relax after worlds
Yeah that guy was gross. Can’t imagine the pressure she’s under, and this warhorse program just doesn’t do it for anyone. Still have yet to see someone pull off a west side story program.
Mike Slipchuk, AKA Steve Bannon. Horrible!
Who for or why does Canada need a 2nd spot???
@@janvdb9258 there are many women coming up who show great promise.. Fiona, Kiaya, the two who were at Four Continents with Maddie. Every country wants to have as many spots as possible it gives hope to those coming up that they may be able to go to Worlds, it's encouraging to have a chance.
Seeing athletes struggle at altitude (ie low oxygen) makes one realize how helpful a drug would be if it helped oxygen intake.
Of course!
As an opera singer, Johnathan must know a lot of classical music. What pieces would he like to see skaters use that are seldom or never used?
1:24:16 I think Johnathan confused Rinka and Mone. Mone doesn’t have a 3A in her program, she’s the smaller girl still in the Junior circuit but was granted her first SeniorChampionships due to her placement at Nationals.
I think he meant Hana Yoshida? But they should learn Mone’s name, they will hear it in the future :-)
Sending my best wishes to Frank and hoping for a full recovery. ❤🙏
Me too!
He is at home recovering but colon cancer never really goes away
Whatever Chock and Bates did to their free program made it absolutely mesmerizing. Can`t believe it made me yawn in the first half of the season!
The dress helps 😊
They have always been overrated to me and her pretty face is part of it
(Sharon Shneyer) Philadelphia
The skating rink where I took private lessons for 2 years was where Doug Mattis started skating. The rink was on the Villanova Radnor. I walked past Villanova University; it hasn't existed in years.He took lessons from Sally Anne Reid. His older brother played ice hockey. I remember his 1st skating competition at the age of 8; he fell down, got right back up and kept on going. He had a very engaging personality. He will be missed
Four continents always feels like a more relaxing watch to me. I really enjoyed watching.
I don't understand the technicalities of ice dance but I had a look at Chock/Bates' free again since you guys have been saying it's gotten better. The concept (which the commentator says is fire and *wind*....not fire and ice), with their costumes and their body choreography all together makes sense to me now. I've not looked at any Instagram explanations or anything, and I get it, and I like it now. I think it makes sense if it's wind, not ice, since it's a totally different kind of relationship!
Maddie mentioned in an interview recently that she trains kind of in a group setting, mostly individually, and the coaches just give attention if you need/want it. It didn't sound like there are private 1-1 lessons as such, which I found really interesting. She said she likes that approach, but after the season she's had, maybe a change would be good. So happy for Haein, she's been one of my faves since juniors, so I'm super happy she won here. I find most of the Korean women really boring, but she and Jia are the standouts for me.
I saw that interview as well and thought that this was an odd way to train and improve at the elite level. Everyone needs attention, whether they realize it at the time or not. As well, her coach.... maybe time to make a change if she wants to continue.
"JuneJulyAugust" really does have a gorgeous 4Sal!!
Green and Parsons have improved in their speed and overall flow, but those lifts were so clunky. She also seems to be always trying to catch up to him. I'm rooting for them but this season was a step back. L/L were my favorites as well, so strong, certain, and quick in their movements, they are my ones to watch!
I'm so bummed that Lajoie and Lagha won't be at World's. The rhythm dance and free dance deserve the spotlight. But i have no doubt they will be the up and coming world champions
@@AlisonLam fingers crossed piper and paul will also withdraw from worlds so they get to go
Yay. Another This and That. I almost gave up for today.
❤️❤️
Here’s the real tea on Simone being the GOAT:
It’s like if Michelle Kwan came back and did a quintuple axel and very easily in the short program.
That’s how ahead of her technical programs she was from the entire women’s field during the last quad.
It wasn’t just her vaults and floor exercise routines. Her beam and bars was so difficult and executed brilliantly, that all of us gymnastic queens were watching with our jaws dropped.
And she did all of her routines so easily.
That’s why the GOAT narrative is true to Simone.
Great way to put it!!! Simone is unreal
I really appreciated how much time you guys took to discuss and prioritize mental health.
I thought Marjorie’s new hair color and style really fit the free dance program. I agree with Jonathan. She was much improved here.
The tone deaf tweets by ISU showing how comfortable they are with athletes suffering is extremely disturbing but not surprising 😬
At this point I’m ready for this sport to die and completely rebuilt from the ground up again
Marjorie and Zach were the highlight of this event, no question. I would've had them 2nd
Agree! My favourite of the event
Hard agree. I had goosebumps.
I actually thought they should have won.
Woo, hoo! Super Bowl counter programming! 🥳
Oh yeah!
@@TheSkatingLesson Thanks for always speaking up about skater's mental health, physical health and abuse. Sometimes I feel like TSL is the only one really willing to "go there" and speak the truth! I know it can't be easy, when even certain skaters call you "trolls". But you're speaking for those who can't, so doing god's work, bless! ♥️
I know altitude isn't a new thing. However, some of the pairs programs got a bit scary at the end. You'd think the ISU would consider this before having a championship in Colorado Springs, but what the hell do I know...
As far as team USA, we weren't close to the podium in singles at all. I don't know what it will take to bring USFS back to the top like it used to be before Michelle and Sasha retired...
I gave up on 4 Continents after the women’s short. Colorado Springs is an Olympic training hub, tickets reasonably priced at $21-$46, and maybe 743 fans in an 8,000 seat arena. My tin hat conspiracy is that NBC removes skating from Peacock ASAP due to embarrassment about lack of fans. Hard core fans will watch in real time. But new, casual fans who watch a replay a month later and see an international event with no fans ain’t coming back and may skip Olympic FS coverage when they really need ratings to sell advertisements.
Did like seeing Joanna So’s (HK) packaging. She stands out from the other 23 competitors with her rebel POV - neck tattoo, shoulder and arm tats...while skating to Chicago. Love the contrast. Need more of that. More variety in packaging and programs is always appreciated.
HK Fed: “Option one - hair down. Option two - muscle patch.”
Joanna: “Option three - go F yourselves.”
Bradie's athletic fortitude and artistic expression are a joy to behold.
Exquisite. Indomitable.
The Bradie Ladies of Wisconsin and Virginia, along with her legions of fans all over the world, are happy to stand and applaud her.
And then there are those of us that have never felt that way. I have never thought her costumes complimented her skating and always thought her skating was over rated. However, I applaud her determination and work ethic to keep going.
Senior Women
1:16:23
I read that Isabeau withdrew from feeling ill that day for the free skate. But then I was like dang just imagine what Starr could’ve done had she had the opportunity to go as 1st alternate. No offense I like Isabeau but I don’t think she needed 4cc. But also all 3 usa ladies were feeling ill. Amber twitter about it, Bradie talked about it as well. But it wasn’t Covid.
Also can we talk about how Bradie did a clean short and got a 68 or 69. Compared to nationals where I thought the judges cheated on her scores by boosting her score. So when I saw she did a clean skate at 4cc I knew this was more of an accurate Sp score for Bradie. While finally they gave Amber the accurate score for her sp. cuz I thought she was always underscored and inflated at nationals. Also was shocked to see Amber mess up her 3+3 in the free skate. But still glad she was able to do her best.
Also 51:05 😂😂
I loved and enjoyed Haein Lee's free program at 4cc. She deserved the gold medal.
Does she still scream when she lands jumps? I haven't seen it yet.
She was great. I'm actually surprised she hasn't won the KoreanNats yet. She's one of the most beautiful skater's in the world and much more capable of greater things.
19:47 in some cultures, even saying "mental health" is a sign if weakness. In my culture, at least growing up, showing any signs of mental "weakness" is a sign that your parents did not raise their children to survive life. It puts shame on your family as well if you have "mental health issues".
Those extra turns in between the end of Yelim’s sp step sequence and her Ina Bauer KILLS me. We don’t need those extra turns! Just let her hold a dang edge for longer than 1 second at the climax of that violin!! 🙏🏻
She seems injured to me or lost some of her shine from Olympics. The music is not helping her and the outfit is bad.
come on 50,000!
🙏🙏
1:21:00 regarding Bradie, do you think this was a more appropriate scoring compared with the scoring during nationals?
Totally with Dave on the G/P vs C/B - all the feels for G/P, compared to “yeah, they did that well” for C/B. Worlds will be innnnteresting!
💯
I fear that Chock and Bates are the chosen champions though I really like GP's programs better especially free. I jus think CB came back this year kind of expecting a coronation. I will say this whoever wins the ID gold should retire. They should take the gold and run CB may want to stay on to win OGM in 2026 but they are looking a bit tired and if PC come back which I can see because they have no competition especially without Russia. Piper and Paul may want to stay on until 2024 in Montreal I suppose. But if any of these teams or Italy somehow wins they should thank their lucky stars. CB have lost their freshness; the judges seem to like them I just don't see how they et such high scores compared to the Danadians. I agree tech better but pc wise I am in the minority I would have The Danadians ahead. I agree LALA are a treat but we won't see them at worlds. I seriously would reconsider sending HB after watchin 4cc's but I think that boat has left.
19:40 - 20:29 Yes! It is so frustrating how, even though mental health is discussed more now, it seems like these news media outlets don't really seem to understand that processing and healing from whatever someone is going through takes TIME. They are ready to interview or write about someone struggling with their mental health while the athlete is probably in the thick of it to get that inspirational story without much substance. Perspective is everything. Idk if my comment is making sense I just feel like skaters deserve the support and resources for their mental health and I do not think that's the current reality for them. I think that needs to change but given what we know about the sport and how things are run, I'm sadly not super optimistic.
But on a happier note, I love Tracy Wilson lol. She is such a gem
Thank you guys. I always look forward to your post 😊!
High altitudes are not for everyone, I suffered all day and night in Aspen. I thing you guys forget the earth is changing rapidly, many people can't be in the hills too long and now its worst.
LOL...Ask people in Mexico City or La Paz
Even most winter sports were held in a high altitudes region
@@italy8795 You forgot the earth been changing as usual we forget how we have damaged home, then gets upset with results...
@@deeangel6396 Climate change ☠☠
I think a level of nuance missing here is that COVID has possibly changed global baseline pulmonary/cardiac health among athletes. Research shows it's a vascular illness capable of causing systemic endothelial damage, regardless of the severity of infection. Whether this will improve over time or the extent of that change is not yet clear. That impact may not be seen equally either; for example, Jin Boyang has had COVID twice but may not have had access to Paxlovid or updated mRNA vaccines because he is from China. His system may be struggling more than others to compensate now.
Are altitude comps as safe as pre-COVID? Nobody knows. Our leaders are not educating the public about this reality. Colorado competitions have always had the altitude reputation, but personally, I think it speaks for itself that so many athletes either collapsed or left the ice with blue lips. I totally agree about the tech content requiring reflection at this point. This the post-COVID world. Whether we're ready to confront it is another question...
One of the French newspapers online is saying that COVID is one of the illnesses included with Roman Kostomarov’s double pneumonia, sepsis, necrosis, amputations, etc. A true nightmare. He’s only 46. I haven’t heard if David gave us more background on that situation in one of the videos.
Jonathan: "Then they would go to the gaslighting committee; they would dismiss the notion immediately." 😀
I hate that Marjorie and Zach can’t go to World’s! I absolutely loved them here.
A real shame!
First, there seems to be a trend-intended or not-among media to report on many details of an an event only to end without addressing the most obvious question(s). This is compounded on CZcams where the content of a video’s lede is nothing more than click-bait. This and That ALWAYS delivers on both and more, so thank you!
Second-I was watching women’s free skate at the Four Continents (when I could catch it, and now I know why it disappears) with a friend. We both wondered about Isabeau. We’d seen her in the hall, heard her name called, etc., and then . . . no Isabeau. It helped to know that no explanation has been given as to what happened. I hope she is okay. She is such a lovely skater-as original, graceful, and skilled as one could wish for these days.
Which brings me to my 3rd & last point: I finally reached the point of dismay & a bit of boredom with performances due to the fact that I found myself naturally expecting when & what jumps, spins, choreography will occur. I got tired of excessive arm-waving 8 years ago. Most aggravating to me, tho, are those gorgeous, heart-soaring glides that cut out just as your mouth begins to open. It’s like really bad 4-play! I think a woman at the Canadian Nationals did a long one, and I nearly burst into tears.
So, again, thank you for addressing all this! I feel affirmed, confirmed, and supported!
Now I will watch the rest of your video.
Take good care of your very good selves-you are appreciated!!!!
52:17 I felt bad that Junhwan’s focus was thrown off before his short program too…. Just waiting for him to have his moment. Can Tracy whisper some magic in to him before the competition 😅?
So true! I wish he took a few more seconds before he started after that commotion
I just love Dias's Rakhmaninov free program, the guy from Kazakhstan who was there with Denis Ten's mom. If only he has the same jumping power as another Kazakhstan skater- Michael Shaidorov, who did 3 quads brilliantly but was a bit lack of SS and presentation. That would've been a great skater for the podium.))
never forget the 2012 Olympic Home Philip Philips Promos
Never forget!
Chock/Bates - The magic of the snake program is that it used Madison's charisma and creativity without requiring much from Evan in that department. But they latched onto the "weird". I think that something in the vein of pink panther or james bond would capture Madison, let Evan just be a lovely man with a nice back, have a more relatable arc, and be much more successful for them.
I want to say, it's great to see you. I want to say the ice dance was great. It is checking the boxes for points and is gen is missing.
❤️❤️
Moment of the week--Piper Gilles posting her "trust the process" Insta training vid in conjunction with the 4CC FD. We see. Looking forward to worlds.
indeed!
the timing of her video also made me lol! had wondered if anyone else had noticed!
Do you think that Isabeau Levito will withdraw from Worlds or will USFS make her go due to her being the National Champion? I am happy for Chock and Bates and Keegan Messing. Based on the US men finishes at the Four Continents, I think that Jason can stay competing for a few more years, to and through, 2026, if he wants to compete.
I am quite sure that if Isabeau is well, that she’ll be at Worlds.
It was nice to hear you talk in this conversation about coaching: that is, what is the best way to get a skater, or any athlete to reach their best, to develop to the highiest level possible . I have quite a long time been wondering, if the good results, the high level achieved in figure skating, ballet, or whatever is *despite* the so called "russian coaching method", or "russian school of coaching" (I'm not referring to any particular school; for instance in ballet this expression is/was used in Finland) OR thaks to it. I was once watching high level ballet students, when they had one season a russian ballet teacher. The teacher was *not* humiliating anyone, not shouting to any one. Instead, by her own expertise, experiece and authority she was able to make the students understand that you don't get results without hard work. "How many jumps you do per day? 50? Not enough! 100? Not enough!! 200? Not enough!!!" But there was no abusive talk ever, no humiliating, nothing like that. Well, my point here is probably this: maybe many have misunderstood what "the russian school of coaching" (that used to be the term, when I was training dance, just in amateur level). In my opinion a coach or a theacher can be very demanding without making the athlete feel like the world is ending, if they make a mistake. Well, of course my own experience is from amateur level. But I still think, that when skaters or dancers feel joy of what they are doing, it gives much more to the sport, to the athlete-artist him-/her-/whateverself, and to the audience. I am not sure, if this is too idealistic for competitive sport. I'm interested in what do other people think of these ideas...?
As i type on this tablet, typos occur:
"barre" not "bare."
Importantly "attended to BY" parts of brain - not "be"
As no editing is available of the comment on the tablet here, there are more.
I think Boyang had problems other than the altitude. Covid twice, the appendectomy he had been putting off, and he hadn't competed since the Olys. He withdrew from both of his GP assignments this season. Maybe he shouldn't have even skated?
My soapbox thing is I think (outside of dance, where it may be needed), the jumping disciplines should get rid of level 4. It just encourages overwrought elements and not letting the program breathe. We need to go back to shorter but more effective step sequences and spins that allow each position to breathe for a good number of revolutions without being forced (much less this new thing of having to do some difficult exit).
This competition also just kind of made me miss the old component system. For me, I always thought of performance and interpretation as different; performance kind of relates to whether you executed the program to its maximum and were invested, whereas interpretation is about artistic nuance and timing and expression. That said, I guess the change doesn’t matter because the judges just have the scores correlate across components anyway.
Finally, I think the Canadians were just leagues ahead of C/B here. I hate that we have to pretend that they aren’t (just like we had to pretend Hawayek/Baker are only 10th best or whatever it is they got at the Olympics).
Agree on the "generically lovely" in the women's event. Of the top ones, only Rinka had a little something special for me. The Koreans are nice skaters, but I mostly am kind of bored by their programs. Young You is the one who actually captures my attention the most of them.
I heard from boots on the ground that Isabeau had a bad cold and that combined with the altitude is of course not ideal for a great performance. I think her withdrawal was a smart, game-time decision. Her star is on the rise and to go out and not be in peak performance mode would not serve her well. I hope she feels better and Amber as well. I had heard many of the skaters were under the weather. Best to all.
You need to check with other boots on the ground.
@@TheSkatingLesson hmmm... well, interesting comment. I hope she is okay regardless of what is going on.
I know Amber tweeted to a comment of mine that they all had some kind of bug this week! But still very worried about Isabeau
Hmm my friend was there and is part of the coaching circle of one skater. I heard differently that it was not just a cold or altitude. but it is wrong to gossip. Regardless I hope Isabeau takes care of herself and she gets good support. She is 15 or 16 years old for goodness sake.
@@TheSkatingLessonDave, can we just not on this public forum?
I don’t think they should have any competitions at Colorado Springs anymore. Too much for the skaters with technical jumps that they are doing now. They all looked tired.
Agreed
Not just tired, very unwell. It was scary to watch. What if a pair woman got dropped on her head and suffered a career ending injury. It’s not worth it.
The skaters all trained at high altitude for SLC 2002, right?
Yagudin the homophobe was training in elevation while the beast with the fur coats had an oxygen mask on screaming “Davay davay davay!”
@@JoshuaFazeli do u see difference between Olympic Games and non-important competition ? By the way , choosing Salt Lake City was wrong . A lot of athletes had complaints
@@junglesuperstar9270 yeah no one likes us either but the difference is we know Americans are horrible and you don’t take any responsibility for your country’s war crimes.
With how tied Frank and Tab Hunter were, I’m surprised that Frank was potentially just a background extra in one of Tab’s films. You would think with Tab’s star power at the time, he could have gotten Frank a more relevant place in Hollywood, let alone in his own film.
I instantly know and remember that Aladdin program, and can picture that springy lutz! ❤
Oh yes!
I really hope Frank mentions Tab Hunter in his book. His version of the single “Young Love” was the epitome of a Hollywood heartthrob of the 50s-60s
100%
The perfect example of the body being in a hypertense zone is Anna S. She always had reports of being horrible in practice, but killing it in the competition and winning. Then she says things like she thought of the competition as her reward, so she loved doing it bc it was her reward for all the practices. Well, if your coaches are traumatizing you in practice and your body and mind is shutting down and you’re getting reported on as just falling and laying down every single jump, even the doubles… but then you go out on competition ice and just slay… maybe the practice environment caused her to be in a hypertensive state that didn’t allow the body to fully function and her being out on competitive ice were the coaches can’t get to her and there are cameras, so she knew she wasn’t going to get screamed at and degraded, allowed her to skate freely and that is why she was always able to TURN IT ON in competitions.
There are so many clear signs of abuse and instead of the media calling it out, they instead do sound bits like “she always shows up when it matters most” or “she is just mentally tougher than the rest”, what child needs to be that disassociated… I’ll tell you what child, an extremely abused child that is smart enough to find ways to protect themselves.
51.28 LMAO
You want to go crazy for current skating, watch the World Figure Sport skaters. There are videos on CZcams. It's very "old-fashioned" skating but it's mesmerizing. Current elite skating just doesn't have this quality; they're just dashing around between the technical elements and grabbing their blades on the spins.
It would be much more interesting to watch Greene + Parsons perform to the Jumanji soundtrack at this point.
Why are these coaches ruining their young brand??
Can someone enlighten me on what happened to Isabeau?
No official explanation has been put out.
My assumption from all the vague comments are she had some sort of breakdown.... *shrug*
Dave - Kristen Spours is going to Worlds, not Natasha.
Jonathan- Green & Parsons beat Carreira/Ponomarenko in the FD by 4 points but were 10 points behind in the RD so stayed 5th.
I didn't like Chock & Bates music for either program but the FD choreo and performance was stunning, like a modern Dance piece of Theatre that you have to admire. Piper/Paul win Rhythm Dance but Chock/Bates win FD and Overall at Worlds.
Canadanes overscored for that schlock 60s naff Western film score. He is not dynamic enough to match her.
I said Kristen was going to worlds! She is the skater who called Moulin Rouge original on the series!
I can’t imagine Piper being world champion with that leg extension at this point.
Do you think Isabeau will be at worlds?
Also that altitude was something else... It wasn't good for anyone, and I can't help thinking about someone like Starr Andrews who has a heart condition and what it would have been like for her.
I actually also thought about Shoma in this and how he’s always gasping after his programs. He already has asthma. So I’m glad he didn’t compete here. I hope Boyang, Ryiuchi, Dai, Bradie, and Amber are okay. I also hope Isabeau is getting the help she needs.
@@meganmorris5105 shoma doesnt have asthma.. maybe you think hanyu
@@mariiie.B Shoma struggled with asthma when he was little due to his prematurity. It’s in his Olympic bio. Not sure if he outgrew it.
@@meganmorris5105 Oh thats right, i think i saw him saying somewhere that he doesnt suffer with it anymore or smt like skating helped him so i didnt tie it to him!
I had that same thought about Starr.
I do have to wonder if Boyang's switch to Orser and Wilson is three or four years too late. He was supposed to have moved to that camp in 2018, but it never happened for whatever reason. Now, I wonder if it's too late.
I'm disappointed you'd discuss mental health and neglect to mention Bridget, especially with the great coverage you did on John. Seeing certain skaters receive overwhelming support from the skating community after working through difficult times while Bridget didn't make it out alive makes me sick.
We have discussed Bridget in the past. I shared the article about her passing and even alerted Christine Brennan about her death.
It’s absurd that 4CC wasn’t accessible in Europe. I mean what a way to lock down content and lose people’s interest.
Really? I watched in on youtube from Britain.
I watched it on CZcams from Slovenia 🤷♀️
Watched in Poland on YT no problem? 🤔
I watched it on CZcams from Germany.
1:04:00 Spencer's wild persona was dangerously exciting for me that I want to see it again. I hope he does not bring the man bun back. I was so surprised he fell in the short because Emily is the one that makes ne nervous with her landings
Can you guys pls put the time stamps ? thank you !
Johnathan's comment at around 21:15 is so right. It's like every time there's a debate about parents spanking kids and a hundred people come out of the woodwork to say "I was spanked as a child and I turned out fine!" when they're clearly not fine
Thanks guys!
Our pleasure!
The best Haein has skated since JGP in 2019. I was so happy for her. Still hate that program though, the movie version of Phantom is so cringe. Keegan was a very special moment as well.
I don’t mind POTO but so many cuts to the music, dear Lord make it stop!
This is why we have SafeSport and USAG actually has done better with Li Li as the CEO with ensuring mental health policies and initiatives are followed with coaches.
USFS needs to follow this even more, even if they use SafeSport for allegations of abuse.
David, I have a question that I hope you can answer. In the Ice Dance events at both Europeans and here at Four Continents, I am missing seeing our Marie-France Dubreuil. I do remember Patrice being at Euros, along with all their assistants? co-coaches? whatever their titles are. But here at Four Conts, it was all Madison Hubbell, who I know we all love (in fact I see some Madison influences on the women they coach 🙂), but with 8 out of the 12 dance teams here from the Montreal school and no Marie-France???? I hope nothing is the matter with her. I am just a worry wort. LOLOLOL. Thanks
Hubbell went with the Scott Moir teams. Marie France was home with their child.They alternate which coaches travel all the time.
@@TheSkatingLesson Thanks!
From 9:45 is it possible for skaters to prepare for the altitude? There were people on different platforms who said that they knew it was going to be at altitude, so they had time to prepare
English is not my first language, so sorry for any mistake. Athletes can prepare thenselves going to places with high altitude with advance and time to the body produces more red cells to transport oxigen, because the difficulty in these places are rarefied air
Frankly speaking - NO. That’s why Bolivia also have advantage while football matches
Talking about marketing they posted athletes out of breath and called it "joy". I am not on board with it. They should have got oxygen.
Agreed
Why will isabeau's technique fail in time? I can get some insight into this from someone. thanks
Skating fans in the Uk are also pretty unimpressed at Kristen going to worlds. It’s sad that the Uk does not have a better singles lady at the moment. I’ve shared the ice with her and it’s not a pretty sight. 😬
Good for Kristen. But what happened to Natasha? She is the British champion. We need more Freeze!
They say that Boyan Jin had a surgery not too long ago, and did not fully recover.
He had an appendectomy, I think, last summer. And, he had Covid twice since then. I just rewatched the mens free from Beijing, and you could tell there was a difference in his health. He wasn’t getting enough oxygen here.
1. Save the dying sport. Day one, technical program. Day two, artistic program, equal parity.
I don't even think another Nancy and Tonya scandal would help. They had the whole drama with Kamilla and that didn't do much for the popularity of the sport.
I don't get why that would help.
@@quintupleaxelBecause the sport has lost audience appeal. The spins are unsightly due to “levels”. The step sequences are tangled and choppy to get “levels”. Separate programs show us your athleticism and then let’s see how you do interpretively. And ditch this horrible point system that shits the audience out.
@@quintupleaxel Right after it happened in the mid 90s skating was everywhere. CBS even gave up football to air skating specials all the time. It didn't last.
@@iamsoverybored878 but what has that got to do with having an artistic and a technical program?
Thank you, Jonathan, for stopping a talk about Dai as I didn't want to hear Dave's severe comments when the guy was suffering from lack of oxygen.
I love dai!! He had a bad skate under altitude. It happens.
"Were they competing at Russian Nationals?" 🤣 😂 🤣
Didn't the long program to be 4.5 minutes with 8 jumping passes and 2 step sequences?
Correct
@@TheSkatingLesson I wonder if they gave the skater back some time, if that would give them time to catch their breath a little during the program. No more elements, just more time.
Poor Frank 😢
That makes me so sad to hear.
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Dave,
Why don't you think that 3 spots for pairs for the USA are necessary?
Because two out of the three couples do not perform triple jump combinations. Lol
The third team will be far out of the top 10, sadly. Nothing against them, there's just a serious lack of depth in U.S. pairs right now.
@@christinethorp3684 the lack of depth has been potent since 2002.
It’s only a fluke we had two strong teams for pairs at Worlds in 2022.
@@JoshuaFazelitrue, but at least during the last quad, there were a few teams that were competitive. Maybe not top three competitive, but they still looked like mid-level senior teams. Now many of our teams look like they should be junior or novice.
@@Melissa-yr7fm yes, completely understand the point.
I thought we were in an epidemic in USFS around 2010, but it’s even worse now.
Agreed.
Dave: I hated when NBC played that dumb song throughout the Olympic trials and Olympic coverage to those poor gymnasts, which was narrated by that horrible man Al Trautwig.
I have so much PTSD from that. And I’m sitting in the arena during Grand Prix of Espoo and all these happy Finn’s are clapping to the beat of that song so innocently.
Am I too deep into all of the dynamics of this or what?? Lol
I still can't get behind that music for Marjorie and Zachary. I just don't think it suits her lines. And, agree about the costumes. Very Romeo and Juliet.
Sigh. Did Hubbell's mom make that dated fuchsia costume for Green? Could we please have something something current and chic? That suits the body of the wearer? Montreal teams (except Chock) are outfitted like matrons this year: heavy fabrics, overly long skirts, corset cuts...the bodies look long, the legs short and heavy....why oh why? It's so last-century, and the costuming speaks for lack of innovation in the choreography and themes. Such a surprise that Montreal has gone in this direction when they've stood for "cutting edge."
It was very pretty!
There’s something about Marjorie…
Maybe you're not paying enough attention to the Summertime program. It's not in your face but it's saying a lot.
What is it saying?
I love that program. So sultry and subtle.
Perfect way to describe it. Their faces and movements are expressive, if they did anymore it would be too much for the music.
Fern gulley!
japanese skating federation answered that they were not allowed to provide oxygen masks because of doping protocols.