This and That: Russian Political Games, Junior Synchro Worlds (Tessa Virtue, Marina Zoueva)
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- This week, Tessa Virtue joined other Canadian Olympians by sending a letter to the Canadian Olympic Committee, which had previously supported the IOC’s position on the admission of Russian athletes in a neutral status, and urged not to allow the Russians to compete. Marina Zoueva was contacted and played political chess, while Tatiana Tarasova angered many by equating the letter to the murder of Tessa's fellow friends and competitors. Irina Viner was banned by the FIG while her (ex) husband pressured Russians to be allowed back in fencing. Eteri Tutberidze and Alexander Lakernik are attempting to create a global club skating organization and other countries are pushing back. Meanwhile, Les Supremes Junior was in line to win the 2023 Junior Synchro Worlds until a major error in the free skate. Of course, no one saw it because the ISU moved their stream behind a paywall. We discuss all of it on the latest edition of 'This and That'.
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I was so touched seeing all the love and support for Todd and his family. We don’t often see such a genuine reaction love support and care, especially in this sport.
Coaching is America is a career that’s is funded all through skaters paying for each lesson. It’s also not always understood that skaters pay for the travel and lodge of coaches to events. That’s how it is supposed to work, but again, the details of how many events Todd was committed to traveling to this year, how many he already paid for and booked (and was waiting for some sort of reimbursement) or any events he paid for himself not expecting any reimbursement is unknown. Yes, some high level athletes have some sort of funding, but that doesn’t often include the coaches. Arrangements can vary. Out of the nature of being a coach, and being caring and supportive of athletes, a coach may not always charge or charge the full amount for comp travel, especially with skaters that don’t yet have the funding.
There are many facets to being a coach. Even coaches that charge $250 an hour don’t always have tons of money laying around. There can be a lot of off-ice time, competition time, planning time, etc. that’s uncompensated. In the US, they are independent contractors. Many rinks have a contract in which the coach is essentially paying a “rental fee” to the rink that involves the rink of taking percentage of lesson fees.
Coaches coach because they love skating and love teaching. They aren’t coaching for the money, fame or adoration- at least not in the US.
The money being raised for Todd is likely not going to be enough. It’s just hopefully enough for the family to not declare bankruptcy, pull their kids out of college, lose their home, or endure financial ruin.
In the US, a large percentage of people filing for bankruptcy do so over medical bills.
I donated anonymously to the Todd fund. Hospital stays and rehab is very expensive in the US and who knows how many months he will need. Wishing him and his family the best during this difficult time.
thank you Dave and Jonathan for another entertaining “This and that” ❤️
I’m fascinated by what happened to Marina after Sochi. She had the IAM of her time and it totally imploded. Is it true that the Shibutanis blocked other US teams from training with Marina? Could she not find a halfway decent technique coach?
From what I read on Twitter after US Nationals, as far as the Shibs are concerned, that would be a yes.
4:56 Unfortunately, that is so true. I really tried to stay excited and look for a new reason to be as invested as I was since the 2018 Olympics. The skaters and rivalries that I was so invested in leading up to 2022 were not there anymore this season. There is a void and PeacockTV did not help the situation.
Were you invested in the Russians?
Unpopular opinion but I loved Tessa and Scott’s Free Dance in 2013/14 season. The music is lovely and I have performed the entire Seasons by Glazunov
Don't forget that the USA and Japan(?) still have received their team medals because the powers that be can't decide whether or not Russia cheated. The skaters were robbed of their medal ceremony and are still being robbed of their medals
Have NOT received (typo there)
A medal ceremony in Milano 2026 is warranted I think… if they can solve the issue by then 🙏🏼
@@sallydaniel1023 Only American skaters are barking
Humble Japanese skater never complaint about it
@@italy4668 stop barking ruzzian dog here :wrong crowd ,and Yes -do your homework-everyone is complaining,all teams besides actually orcs
@@ingai4420 Breaking news : ISSF and World Archery just became 2 newest sports organisation to allow Russian and Belarusian athletes to compete in international tournament soon...Great news
When I think of the Russian Ban, I don't associate it with any wars. To me it was about clean sport. Russia has documentaries dedicated to their history of cheating and doping across many different sport disciplines, not just figure skating.
omg!
You mean like American female track and field team and basketball team isn't a female lol
@@italy4668ruzzian 🤡-you still keep putting your own like to yourself?
@@ingai4420 LOL...
@@italy4668 heard it’s was and still is -brutal winter in ruzzia
Happy Sunday! Thank you for the early upload ❤
Hope you enjoyed it!
As far as the fund..you understood, Jonathan did..I did..some people can't STFU..give or don't give..they have kids, bills, accommodations, etc..
100%
To my knowledge, no PEDs used to enhance this nuanced skate poem.
Red ribbon is silver
Gold medal is blue
The ISU failed us
Now here comes the shoe
15:04 I was rooting for Mamun & the Averina sisters, but I cannot watch the gymnastics documentary, but it is in my CZcams watch later playlist. AND NOW IT'S BLOCKED!
18:32 oh my gosh, that was a big story in 2020(2021) summer games when the gymnast from Israel won over Russia!
Noooo it got blocked?!
RG Music Box already uploaded the video like 10 or 11 months ago
Check it out
I really need a compilation of what Galina said in all the videos . I swear she is a highlight all on her own .
Nathan and Hanyu had longevity...as well as talent..For me..I am enjoying the sport..if 10 guys..pick any 10 skated to La La Land w the same choreo and technical as Kazuki had..and same costume..would all 10 programs look the same? Daniel? Morris? Krying Kevin? Torgs? Ilia? Sota? I do not think so.
It’s been my experience that the men are more exciting to watch in person in recent years partly because their programs and styles are more diverse than the ladies…
アメリカ人に羽生さんの名前を出されるのはとんでもなく腹立たしい。羽生さんはプロに転向したのでもう名前を出さないてくださいますか。
figure skating was part of the sports in Peacock list of sports. So you could replay the show later. But now they eliminated figure skating fro the "sport list", so you have to watch it live...or ...NOT AT ALL!!!!!.....someone has to TALK to PEACOCK!!!!!PLEASE
Thank you guys for today episode, so much info in it. I watched the Gymnastics documentary yesterday and It was fill with more info into how deep those conections has sports in russ with the olygarccs and goverment, and yes I had the same feeling with those coaches about some kind of scort situation too. Went into google after watching it to look for more info about this athletes and trainers, mind blowing.,
It was very telling who did NOT have their names on that letter from the Canadian athletes. That to me is more telling than who did make their feelings known.
It was 40 big name Canadian athletes from several sports who signed the letter. I think it got put together quickly to reply to the news that there was a possibility that athletes from Russia and Belarus would be allowed to compete at the 2024 Olympics, rather than wait for months to get a thousand signatures, in case the decision was made in the meantime. It was a timely response by 40 athletes who obviously represent many others.
A lot of the athletes involved have been involved in prior public campaigns and share the same PR/management. It was probably easy to get them to sign off quickly, rather than canvassing every Canadian Olympian.
It's also likely that athletes who are currently coaching did not sign because Russia still has influence on judging
Great video you two! By the way, I don’t know if you would want them or not, but I have the 1998 Olympics ladies short program on VHS. I also have the 2001, two, or three I can’t remember which year, target stars are ice TV broadcast. It’s got Scott Hamilton, Kurt Browning, Tara Lipinski, Kristi Yamaguchi, etc. It’s the one where Kurt and Tara skate together and Tara has that purple sailor dress. I used to be a big Tara fan back in the day lol. I have seen that performance with Kurt and Tara on CZcams but I haven’t seen the entire show from that year. Maybe they are both already up, I don’t know.
I don’t know how good quality they may be or not. I used to rewatch them all the time.
Oh yeah, I think on the same tape as the ladies short program there is that big interview with Tonya and Nancy face to face. I can’t remember if I recorded over it or not, I don’t think I did.
Great episode once again, David and Jonathon! Do you guys have any idea when they will have a result on the Kamila situation ?
It will be in a few months, as the case has not begun yet at CAS.
@@TheSkatingLesson Thanks for letting me know . 🤍
Dave, could you please elaborate a little on your personal issue with the Johnny Weir documentary? I love This and That but I'm sorry to say I haven't watched every episode lately. Thank you!
It’s because Johnny’s coach at the time was Galina, who Dave previously took lessons from. He’s never elaborated on why he left her.
@@alexac3098 He did. He said she gave him the silent treatment & ignored him for not doing well at a competition last year. Like, she wouldn''t respond to his calls for a day or something. This being one of her "tactics" to make him do better, like trying to upset him before he skated - also a "tactic". Honestly, I did wonder when Dave would talk about things she'd say sometimes. I did think, "I wouldn't have time for that B.S. as an adult skater", which is the decision he said he came to after her obnoxious behavior after that competition. I guess you just reach the point where you can't take it anymore!
Cool, thank you for replying, everyone. Beyond that anger due to that shitty treatment, it must have been disappointing because she's such a legend and someone you'd have been in awe of. I'm sorry that happened.
Thank you so much for sharing “Over the Limit.” I got my partner to watch it and he loved it/was so moved by it. He’s not normally into the aesthetic sports. It’s just soooo messed up, but also so beautiful and weird. WHAT IS GOING ON IN RHYTHMIC GYMNASTICS?!
Yeah, figure skating as a sport is dying a slow death, by its own organisation's procrastination on dealing with really serious issues of the sport. Like any other system, at the end of the day, a tolerance of corruption always erodes the good of any system in the end. I didn't bother with Recast, so to learn that, while they are still sitting on their hands on the disciplinary action for doping, they pivoted to data mining, on some platform no one has ever heard of? What on earth is wrong with the ISU?
Meanwhile you have Yuzuru Hanyu selling out his shows, in top athletic form and showing that figure skating can have an appeal, a market and fanbase if invested in and done correctly.
It's just 🤦♀️🤦♀️ 🤦♀️ the road not taken by this sport got it here.
Dave Lease!!! My mother was a post-doc. Fulbright Scholar on her flute. In college, as a performance major, at the University of Tulsa it was required of her to be part of the marching band. She was color guard because she could play her flute up to her personal standard. So skating and flute bad idea because both could not be done well. And synchro def. needs a sousaphone!!!🥰
I watched the Jonny show and to be honest I thought Galina was the wrong coach for him. I know you won’t like me saying that. She was far to controlling.
That is true, but Johnny seemed like he needed that at the time. People can complain about something they don’t want but still need.
Johnny had a good idea of what he was getting himself into, although enduring the experiencing himself is a whole different experience.
Happy Sunday, everyone! :)
You too!
TSL, what has happened with IFS magazine?
Were you trying to say, "bribed by the Russians, Dave?"
Yassss Paramus! Yassss Elaine!
Thank you for the open discussion about the political situation. I don't think the skaters who won the team events at the 2022 Olympics have received their medals yet. I know that Mattie and Zach have spoken to the fact that it has been a year and still not medals! What a mess!
Never heard any Japanese skaters complaining about it
Huge difference
They have not received their medals.
@@italy4668 duh Wakaba made comment that she hopes she will receive the medals while she is still alive. If that's not sarcasm then I don't know what.
@@yohanes2034 Proof
@@yohanes2034 you are taking to ruzzian dumb 🤡here -don’t waste your time
Perhaps it's time for all sports to be divided between democracies (US led) and autocracies (China & Russia led), with separate organizations.
32:25 Wow, interesting comment there. I was rooting for Davis/White in 2014 and really wanted them to beat Tessa and Scott.
I remember feeling at the time that Tessa and Scott didn't even like their own programs in 2014, where Meryl and Charlie were bringing all the pieces together.
@@scoutz0rs The weren't given winning material. They made the most of it. But I think the new they were not given the material you give to the winning horse
After skating Carmen in 2012-2013 going back to something like Mahler was a major strategic error that Marina spearheaded. It does look like she was checked out with VM. Probably didn’t help that Marina’s son broke up with Tessa and started dating Meryl between Vancouver and Sochi.
@@nvadqs They definitely knew. It was pretty disappointing, even as a D/W fan. You wanted the fight between them to feel equal.
@@anusharasalingam7712 I couldn’t believe she tried to recapture Mahler. That wasn’t going to happen twice!
Dave, you should set up a ko-fi account for donations for all of your uploads. TSL deserves my netflix fee this month.
What is a ko-fi account? We have a Patreon.
@TheSkatingLesson ko-fi is a way to get one off donations the idea being 'buy your favourite content creators a cup of coffee' for anyone who might not be up for having a monthly subscription. People can then donate the price of a cup (or a few cups) of coffee.
11:56 American healthcare at its finest 🙄
He’s in Canada.
OMG...Fencing just allowed Russian and Belarusian athletes to international tournament starting from April 2023
Glad that they finally back to their sense
Hopefully ISU, FINA, FIG, World Athletics, FIFA, FIVB, FIBA etc will do the same and stop with their hypocrisy
Сколько сейчас платят российским троллям? Тебе же начхать, допустят их или нет. Мне тоже начхать на тебя, если бы ты не оскорблял(а) регулярно мою страну за свои грязные копейки, которые тебе платят на работе. Желаю тебе тратить их только на лекарства от венерических болезней, это будет отличная карма. Поверь мне, все так и будет.
Would they continue to dope...the russs...We do not want russ back until they face charges from beind a dope system and the war in Ukraine.
😂:don’t hope -ain’t gonna happen,more like fencing and tennis will revoke their decision
@@ingai4420 Russian and Belarusian boxers will compete in Women's Boxing World Championships in India this week...See u there
Ooppss...Ukraine is missing 🤣🤣
@@ingai4420 Look at IOC latest threat to UK 😂😂
The programs are all the same, as of course skaters are all going for the same elements now. I'm sorry but it's boring.
Yes, every once in a while someone like Yuzuru or Kamila transcends, however it's so relatively rare that it makes the rest of the skater's cookie-cutter performances look watered down. Creativity of original programs is a facet which could be mined, but as of now, it can't be.
How about a backstory on some of these folks like Todd? Not everyone knows this stuff.
And wtf "personal situation with Johnny Weir"?
Come on guys, seriously. Forgive me, but you guys do this a lot, and it feels very "clique - ish". If you want new viewers, this doesn't help.
Love you guys 💖
Seems like you all hate Russia and their athletes. However it always has been your main topic.
When did Kaori ever win against the top Russians? Being arguably best of the rest isn't a foil. Rika probably qualified before injury.
Umm the Olympics 😂
@@kerryperryman3025 bronze isn't winning last I heard.
@@joeyartk she won against a Russian at the Olympics. My definition of winning is perhaps more broad. All good.
@@kerryperryman3025 In all honesty that was simply a mental meltdown issue. My point is that She was never considered a threat to win against them at all. She was one of the most likely to podium if one of them bombed, which happened. That doesn't really qualify as being a foil to me. Even among the non Russians, Kaori's content is not very challenging technically.
@@joeyartk A win is a win. Does Katelyn Osmond's world title not count because Alina Zagitova bombed?
Just wondering where the $500,000 figure is coming from for the gofundme as an average hospital stay in any hospital's ICU around Calgary is roughly 8K/d, which would mean they still wouldn't be at 180,000 even if he were to stay there for at least 13 more days.
Is that the price for a Canadian citizen w Canadian healthcare? And the money being raised is also for accomodations, travel, and loss of income. Why do you care if they ask for 50 Million dollars? Donate or don't..
@@maryloureiff6489
No, it costs $0 for a Canadian citizen if they're insured through their province's mandatory insurance plan, even non-working people, which accounts for roughly 92% of all canadians, and $2000/day for an non-insured Canadian citizens (which is less than 6%) because we don't operate on a for-profit model.
Remember his family has flown there to be there with him and they are unable to work at the moment
Canadian frontline healthcare provider here, experienced in both acute care and long-duration inpatient rehabilitation settings: from what the family has shared, he will need extensive rehabilitation and will need to be moved to the US (this may be specialized medical travel, I don't know what they will decide). I can not even imagine what American specialized postcardiac inpatient rehabilitation costs. As well, there may likely be long-term disability and medication costs as well as ongoing monitoring (again, in the US). Plus the extensive lost income to both coaches and the overall disruption to the family. Your comment is extremely unnecessary and cannot have been made out of kindness.
He also won't be able to work anytime soon.
😂:yes-they all talking about that Turkey/Austria/ruzzia trying to create some skating summits 🤡, walk around sanctions 🙈-their usual ,only any way you will try to spin -it’s goes against sanctions