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International DT466E Coolant Leak from Timing Cover - Part 1
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- čas přidán 15. 11. 2019
- This crusty old plow truck came in for a leaking front main seal. What I found was a coolant leak, and it's not an easy fix!
Part 2 here: • International DT466E C...
If you can deal with OLD rust, you can deal with anything. My Dad use to say " rust is God's way to show us what hell is like." Great video!
I think your dad was onto something!
Your dad was really did know his stuff.
Love your sense of humor laced with a little sarcasm Wes ... I laughed my ass off, keep it up man! ... Greetings from The Netherlands.
Hoeveel Nederlanders kijken er hier naar Wes?
How else could someone withstand that pile of rust that pretends to be a truck? Sarcasm is a coping tool.
@@bolski-uitlaatstore9130 Geen idee maar ik alweer een tijdje, ABOM79 ging me de strot uithangen en toen kwam ik op Wes uit👌😊
I'm a auto mechanic but love watching videos on diesels just in case I need to learn something lots of knowledge
I'm a auto mechanic but love watching videos on diesels just in case I need to learn something lots of good stuff
Hey Wes!
Much respect for you getting into a job with less than stellar conditions, and the unknowns associated with rust damage. I live in New England where equipment literally disappears from service due to the immense corrosion. A 10-year-old truck is basically written off as a total loss after the frame, driveline, fasteners, etc are no longer serviceable. Hopefully, you will emerge from this job with your sanity, and not take a beating on your labor hours and parts. Work safe, enjoy all your videos, always a great viewing experience. Be well
Doug@ the "ranch"
Well this truck was written off by the state who sold it to the county. Then they wrote it off and sold it to the township. That's the last stop before the melting pot!
You're a good man, Wes. I think you are already giving back to your township and going above and beyond what is expected.
Well somebody has to fix it. I guess it might as well be me.
Excellent content to teach mechanics and consumers what it takes to do these tasks on old, corroded equipment. Well done Wes!
im with you...dont touch anything you dont have to on a rusty plow truck. what a great job....oil mess, coolant dripping and rust! does it get any better? at this point, you should jack up the radiator cap and put a new truck under it. those bolts are enough to make you have nightmares.....i dont think the hours of labor are going to be the doom of this job...it may be all the extra parts that now have to be replaced from the rust. i am not envious of this job. at least it is a paying job.
These trucks have the worst possible conditions for rust. They spend all winter in the salt and gravel dust, then all summer sealing the rust in with asphalt. Then they sit most of the time. This truck has very low miles, but many they were hard miles.
" at this point, you should jack up the radiator cap and put a new truck under it." I think this is the best comment I have read .I love it. lol.
@@WatchWesWork And the drivers don't fix the cleaning of the truck (not mine truck) and their boss either don't see the necessity or fails getting the driver to accept the work... ergo the cab will be a rusted thru shell in 16 years and your state doesn't have rules on MoT inspections and their criteria for acceptable rust.
A lot of effort on this job. Well done.
I also enjoy your videos and your narrative as you work. Thanks.
I enjoyed seeing the large array of tools needed for the job. I am always surprised how many tools I need for my small jobs, nothing as complicated as your jobs.
Dave.
Yeah it's amazing the number of tools required to be a relatively simple job!
I never really understood how good SoCal mechanics have it over you guys. Super huge market with literally millions of cars so you can specialize on one type of car only and still stay in business and zero rust in the cars. My little Toyota Camry is usually in and out of the mechanic shop in less than three hours. Still, the level of knowledge you have amassed from all of the challenging jobs might make it worth it.
"Using my special bolt resizer" 🤣🤣🤣
Props to your work ethic and determination. Nice thing about the relics, is there is no consequence or pressure to make it run, these jobs have all kinds of risk and potential for nightmare!
Yeah it could easily go very wrong. And it's not done yet!
Wes you sure got balls that clank tackling a job like that on that rusty old POS!!!!! What a nightmare!!!! RESPECT!!!!!!!
Don't you hate when a job fights you the entire way til the end. I thought i was the only one that took on awesome jobs like this. Well done for you persistence and ability to come up with alternate solutions when things don't go to plan.
Not just you. I work on plenty of old junk.
Amazing Wes, that’s a real mess to get yourself in and out of successfully, I’m certainly impressed your pulling it off.
Your videos are fun to watch, looking forward to the next part getting it back together
Thank you!
4 mins in and I am thinking as it is just a timing cover, I was thinking JBweld. Aluminium welding would work but drill a small hole at the end of the crack to stop it going further.
Its easy for someone to vbring a job in and say "Can you fix the oil leak". They dont realise half of the work that can go into a job like this. Well done on spotting where it is and what is causing it. Now to watch the rest. :).
Yeah everyone kept telling me to "fix it with jb". This is maybe THE worst timing cover job one can take on.
@@cbthethird It is surprising what a can of worms opens up just from a 'little' leak. I have been there, done it etc, but only on cars. Years ago, I had a Ford Sierra (had about 8 total) and this was the only one I had with a CVH engine. I decided to service it the day before we went on holiday. I got it all done then decided to change the thermostat. Didnt want it to overheat in holiday traffic. I broke the ontake manifold wherethe thermostat was housed and had to go to a breakers to get anothwer one, then had to go back to get another carb as mine didnt fit. I didntthink we were going to go on holiday the next day. lol. But I managed it. 'Simple' jobs can turn out real bad.
@@ianallen2 aye pal, I just did the thermostat and hoses on my wife's MX-5 Mazda. Easy job I thought. Well- I got it all right on the THIRD try! It was Murphy's Law in full effect- EVERYTHING went wrong!
i was thinking of JB.. I've seen ppl fix lots of stuff with it and it lasts for years. it's not the right thing to do but very tempting
ANOTHER FINE MESS YOU'VE GOTTEN YOURSELF INTO! Love the video! We appreciate your attitude and humor. We await part 2.
Great content great video work. Over the years been in that situation many a time it’s not for the weak of heart. You just do what has to be done and replace the things that were destroyed in the disassembly efforts.
Have seen water pumps ruin those covers more than once. Fine work.
Yeah once your get into it there's not going back.
@@WatchWesWork Not successfuly. Working for people lifts the standard of the job.
Guys like you and warren are never going to be paid enough to go through this shit. Hats off to you
I like the needle scaler or wire brush to cleanup rust stuff before disassembly. I live in MN and we have rust, lol. Thanks for the video!
Yeah the needle scaler will definitely be coming out!
I really enjoy your videos Wes, thanks for making such great content!
jeeze. you're a braver man than me!! this is insane.
The feeling i'm getting from this is a minefield, if he slips his wrench and hits something else, that part might disintegrate. :))
@@aserta Its very common once a wrench slips it either strips the head or it doesn't and you smack your hand.
You're a trooper, Wes! I wouldn't even attempt that job. Dealing with all that rust and striped bolts heads. No thanks. Your patience for dealing with things that don't go smoothing is impressive to me. Good work, Sir!
Took on a car job for our son. Involved introducing a late 1980s 1800 CC engine into a earlier body. Tried, but problems mounted. Got him something else. You are better at this than I ever was, so will watch THE MASTER.
Shit like this is why I don't even want to start in this line of work - "Okay timing cover replace? Sounds easy! Ummm NO!!!And that coating of rusty oily crap that has been baked on in coats for years? Ya - keep iit!!! You.Sir.Are a saint for working on this junkyard bait!!!
Old truck, new tools, same problems. Great job Wes, some surgical skills on the bolt heads 👍.
Thanks for sharing, and making me enjoy my armchair even more ☺
Have I mentioned this is a rust bucket? Almost British level of understated, love the content, hope all goes well.
Can't believe it only took 8 hours to get that off, feels like it should have taken twice that; the town is lucky to have you. Lots of wet and dry work on the old shafts before the rebuild, I'm guessing! All the best, you're gonna need it.
Done a few of these in my days , dig in , yanking the hood and radiator will really make that project go smoother .
You are a special breed of man to tackle a job like this.
I swear this is so much more than any mechanic should have to deal with. People have no idea that removing a single bolt can take hours and requires unbelievable skill. I’m always impressed with Wes’ ingenuity…but wonder why he doesn’t move south or west 😂
Fun to watch. I sure hope you are making a profit on this and do your billing right to include all costs. You set my teeth on edge working all day in this crud with no gloves.
I've tried gloves but I just can't do it.
I was thinking it was even rusty by Eric O standards and then you mentioned him and big nasty. I hope the reassembly doesn’t have any surprises.
My hero Wes well done. Retired truck mech. From UK. A comment I was told many years ago that anyone can get themselves in the much but the clever one get out of it and not many would have taken this job on. The psychological aspect would have lots reaching for the fan belt.
You look like you're doing pretty good. I'm a dealer tech at international. If you don't already know you need to heat that cam gear up and it will slide back on the cam, we usually use a toaster oven. Also make sure you replace the bolts for the idler gears and make sure you torque them correctly. I can get you specs if you need them. You don't wanna know what happens when they come loose lol. You didn't show if you liked up the marks before you pulled the gear off either way make sure you get the timing marks lined up correctly when you go back together, sometimes the cam moves a little when you pull the gear off so you may have to move it a tooth or so to get it to line back up.
Well I lined up the crank and cam before I pulled it, but the idlers were just wherever they were. My book say to replace the upper idler bolt due to the sealant on the threads, but my dealer tells me they just use some high temp thread sealant and reuse them. I did have to order a 20mm 12 point 3/4 drive socket for the lower idler bolt that I will probably never use for anything else (thanks International...).
That sucks. Man what a mess, this is why regular maintenance and cleaning is sooo important.
It's a pretty well maintained truck. But the cleaning part not so much!
Ugh. Living in the Northeast and wrenching on my own and friend's stuff, I have always said that road salt is the bane of my existence. Congrats on toughing it out, once you dive in you're committed!
For cracks I have had decent success using irontite. I have kept several leaky blocks in service using it. Likely wouldn't have worked where that one was damaged though because of the expansion and contraction all the time. Those IH trucks and engines always were a bear to work on. I am glad our fleet at work now is Petes and Kw's with N14's. Everything is pretty easy to service and they rarely need attention.
Well the one good thing about the IH engines is they are extremely common here since we are only 2 hours from the mother ship in Chicago. So used parts are everywhere.
@@WatchWesWork There are certainly boatloads of 466's around. At one time nearly every bus here had one, then throw in all the small roll backs and rental fleet trucks and they are everywhere. The 466 non E versions with the p-pumps were pretty good reliable motors.
I am a trucker but doing repairing for machines and trucks too. The last thing was oil cooler O rings change, one broken bolt, I don't make stress about so thing, that could quite easily get out and normal 8.8 and M8 boöt on the place. But never seen so bad thing like that was what you made. Respect.
I laughed out loud when you showed that hammer and how you slammed that socket in place. Great video. I look forward to them.
I had a truck I drove up in Michigan for 7 years then brought back to Texas. The local mechanic took one look at the rust on it and refused the job. It's a whole different ball game up there.
I've worked on some junk, but these plow trucks are horrible!
Wes I don’t know the first damn thing about some of these engines you tackle in your projects but I am absolutely riveted by all of them. I get so stoked when a new video goes up.
Love your work mate. If I have a shit day at work I will watch this and feel much better. It is awesome how relaxed you are.
I wondered what you were thinking taking this job on, and I'd have to agree that's an extraordinarily rusty block good luck Wes, looking forward to the conclusion of this project
Again you make me appreciate the fact I live in the middle of Australia and don't deal with vehicles that are slowly rusting some parts together, whilst also rusting other parts off.
I also subscribe to the try not to damage it getting it off, but when it looks like it's going to break you decide where it breaks and deal with it when the time comes.
I also bet some of the parts of this job that didn't get filmed would not be suitable for youtube, it made me curse just looking at it.
I grew up an hour and a half out of Chicago but moved to NC 20 years ago, sure don't miss the rust!!! Takes a lot of patience not to just start breaking stuff.
Hello, much enjoyed, you have a big heart to tackle that.
John. From Scotland.
Wes is some guy, John! Reckon few Scots mechanics would attempt jobs like this! Looking forward to seeing how this story finishes. Cheers Wes and all the best from another Scotsman!!
Township is lucky to have you around.
Man I could feel the anxiety welling up inside me while watching this because of the rusty jobs I've done.
Not only does every single bolt fight you but if a wrench slips you have the possibility of touching and breaking something else like the fragile brake lines with a 1/4 inch of rust on them that will break if you look at them the wrong way.
Yeah. That's how I feel about plastic. I touch it and it breaks...
Looks like you are working on a “Left in Field for 20 Years” project!
Also looks like the town should have called this truck Fully Deprecated a long time ago.
In the beginning of the video you mention pressure washing the thing to figure out where it's leaking. Scotty Kilmer uses fluorescent dye here, maybe that can be of use to you too. Thanks for the video! Seems like the municipality got their money's worth.
Godspeed. This truck is probably a salt-slinger, too, if it’s got a plow. No wonder it’s so rusty.
That's right. 21 years of spreading salt.
You have the patience of a saint
It's part of the job.
Wow dude.....wow. Let me ask this question. What happens when you bid a job and stumble across more things wrong? Do you stop and call the customer and they agree to pay additional? What happens if parts break when taking things apart? Do you bid on the hours but parts are as it comes and they pay for that knowing its open ended??
I live in Aurora and work on cars for fun (not so fun anymore) and have dealt with rust and things like that but this, this is next level stuff. I have loads of tools, a lathe, bridgeport, tig welders, mig welder, press.....one thing I don't have is a torch. After watching this video, I think I want to buy a torch just to feel safe at night! LOL
Very thoughtful use of plywood
Wow wes I can not believe how rusty that truck is 😮 your a braver man than me taking this kind of job on. Great content as always 👍😁
I really enjoy your videos, showing the wide range of your interests and skills!
Considering the time and effort you put into producing these videos, you certainly deserve any YT Ad Revenue earned by them.
Question: As a subscriber, what must I do to help you earn the maximum amount from ads that appear before, during and after the video?
Must I watch all in their entirety? Only the ads played during you video? What does the Skip Ads option do to your revenue??
Once again thanks for your good work!
Roy Lewis Buffalo, NY
I think skipping "counts" just as much.
Man o man you have some fortitude! Very nice work! Hope you find a used one that will line up nice since they said there are several that need to match front and back!
Hey Wes... i do really adore your sarcasm and appreciate your professional skills..
thanks for pumping out these interesting videos
Greetings from INDIA
Wow, India! Very cool!
Man, that thing is a pile. Not too many shops would be able to deal with something like that. Great job getting it apart without destroying everything
It's just a fact of life around here. Though this one is pretty bad.
Wes, you have a great attitude and stay with the job. I like your videos
The joys of working on plow trucks I feel your pain.
looked like a suitable candidate for about half a gallon of Barrs leaks !
CrimeVid solder seal, you can't put bars leak in a block heater truck.
NIcely done, Wes...this one brought back some of those old diesel truck wrench busting episodes from back in the late sixties that I was sooooo fortunate to experience! Keep it up, you're doing great. Hey, what about the Allis Chambers HD5? Now THAT is an interesting project.
🇳🇱NL. Seems to me a dirty job I hope it works out I wish you a lot of success with this repair. Nice and clear explanation you can still learn something from me but maybe the youth greetings from Holland from Hans.👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🍀❤️
First class work Wes!
I'd probably double the hours for a plow truck, or maybe some sort of T&M. Always two sides to every coin. Bid to get the job, but not loose your shirt in the process. International & Ford... couple of names that will keep a shop busy. Good progress Wes.
Yeah. These guys are pretty cool though. They know it's a rust bucket.
Wes you ain't wineing that's one horrible job. You should charge them double. That is not a normal repair! If it were possible I would have hung myself twice by now with that fan belt if I had to do that job. Once for taking the job. And a second time for taking the job. Hang in there brother!!!
Nice job! I'm taking notes for when I have to do mine! I recently fought my oil cooler assembly for 2days!! These old trucks get used and abused on the daily but they keep going! Soak everything in a penetrating oil 48 to 72 hours prior to working in it! LOL
Apparantly it was soaking in coolant, but that didn't do the job.
Buddy I hope you do cover your butt with the amount you charge because you do a good job and have some Rusty crap to work on for sure but your luck is about like mine when it comes to catching the jobs nobody else will tackle, have a great day !
Yeah the easy stuff seems to always go right past my shop.
I had a late 2003 DT466E that developed a hell of a leak on the timing cover right at the water linlet/outlet to the block from that cover. Its on my YT channel. After talking to lots of techs I found it to be a fairly common problem for 1999-2003.5 DT's. Repair estimates were 7-10 grand. Their TSB was to put block sealer in these engines.
That engine ended my brand loyalty to Navistar.
Sounds like International. Put a bandaid on it.
I think the air itself causes rust up there. Thankfully the county it too poor to buy salt here. When they do get it, they put it down right before it rains so it get washed away before it freezes.
I find this difficult to watch, brings back too many memories of working in the cold and snow fixing vans in my youth. Was bad enough in summer but winter aaargghh.
Man I'm so glade im not the only diesel tech that goes threw the same stuff... I'm in cali but we get a lot of junk out this way.. keep it up
At least you have nice weather!
@@WatchWesWork as long as were not on fire or having our power shut off XD..
Wes FYI, you need a bottle of air tool oil for your needle scalper. I use it on all my air tool and nail guns. You can get it at Lowe's or home Depot.
Hat's off you to Sir! Unreal what a guy has to go through to fix it.
Boss job, Wes and big respect to you. Greetings from Liverpool (UK)
A) Wes, you're doing Yeoman's work! B) I was yelling at the TV a lot saying "F***ING THING!", C) (in my best Don Adams voice) "Ahhh, the old plywood over the radiator trick!"
Good thing I have an editor for filming jobs like this.
Be a mechanic they said.
Do interesting things
Meet interesting people
See the world
MAKE BIG MONEY.
It sounded soo good at the time.
Just remember Wes, we have a trade that not everybody can do.
If it wasn't for good trades people, the world would be a far different place.
Keep up the good work.
I actually did check all of those boxes when I worked in field service. But the travel just wore me down. Once I was married and had a kid it got a lot harder to get on an airplane and fly to some dump to work on some crusty piece of junk. So now I just bring crusty pieces of junk to my own shop and life is better!
@@WatchWesWork I did it too Wes.
I did the get on an airplane thing too, but I kept doing it even with the family.
I have some regrets about that.
Your doing the right thing. Family first.
Wes I like the video's man but that truck is baked. The new formulation of stop leak which is silica based and does wonders. I have used the copper colored version with great success on these hopeless causes.The township budget should have been put towards a new/auction truck from a southern state without salt damage. Thanks again...Jack Baker
It's actually really difficult for the townships to buy equipment. There are procurement rules they have to follow. Most equipment is like this truck, it was originally owned by the state, then the county, then sold off to the townships. That's the end of the line and they will run it until it falls apart.
@@WatchWesWork I get it and I assume that you have it fixed, but for thirty bucks worth of stop leak this issue could have fixed itself and lasted well past the rest of the vehicles life span. That truck is gone, and only has a few more seasons left in it. The stop leak variation im talking about lasts at least 5 years or longer with retreat and that truck will have dissolved long before that...Thanks...Jack Baker
I know the fun you are having with that, 90% of the stuff that comes through my shops the junk dealers don't want anything to do with, It's great if you like a life with challenges and no 2 jobs the same very often. I did a front crank seal on an older mechanical 466 in a fertilizer floater 10 years ago. The last guy put the new seal in the wrong way round F.F.S .
I pulled the hood and rad I think It was like 14 hours when i'd got the front pump driveshaft off and everything done, you might be at 18 to 20 hrs going further. If the newer motors are the same, I remember this one i had to heat the bottom crank pulley in boiling water for something like 30-45 minutes to get it on, as they can crack on the key way otherwise from what I understand. you can't heat it in the oven without destroying the rubber damper material from what the book said. Hopefully it's ok after heating with the torch in the middle removing that washer.
You might have fun getting that pulley back as it cools fast and the rad might make it harder to line up. i remember this one took a few minutes and it was tighter than I thought was good even with the boiling.. I had a dutch oven pot I built a stand for using a wheel rim with a pipe to the middle, and fired a big propane tiger torch in for heat. I wasn't allowed to do it in the kitchen on the stove L.O.L . doing it that way outside the shop I was only 5 ft from the truck to.
Maybe some of the bolts in that case had a corrosion problem with steel and aluminium reaction, or they had permanent strength thread lock on, it looks like some have a resedue of some kind on the threads. I had a Perkins 1006 needed a new case and that was some corroded bolts and thread lock/sealer on certain ones not all of them. Hope it goes well finishing it, if you don't have a book find out about that pulley and thread lock / sealer on the bolts. Thanks for sharing, Take care.
I do have a book. I remember working on one of those fertilizer spreaders once with a 3208 Cat engine and an Eaton 9 speed. It had bounced through so many rough field that the transmission had almost fallen out. The bell housing and adapter plate on the engine were toasted. Dropping the transmission was fun since it's basically at chest height and our jack only went about 2 feet high. I actually can't remember how we got it out.
I know this is an old video, but god damn it. That is nuts. I thought i knew what rust is. I have never seen anything that bad!
I'm going to invent a cut-off saw with a built in fire extinguisher. I'll be a hundred-aire!! :D
You're taking all the fun out of it!
I enjoy listening to you. young Bob Newhart.
Rust is just another word for solid as a rock.
Jobs like these are the definition of perseverance
Man, I thought I would take on just about anything, but the stuff I see you do would have me tucking tail and running. Lived my whole life in the West and am planning a move to Ohio. We never see rust like that. Guess I better make a spot for my cutting torch in my wrench drawer...Haha Good Times!
Well this is a worst case scenario. Gravel roads, salt, long periods of storage, rinse and repeat.
I love this stile of video! 👍
Geez. I’m thinking you should change the channel title from ‘Watch Wes work’ to ‘Watch Wes Wrestle’. That was a nasty, nasty, ol’ rusted, busted pile of crap. Credit to you for your patience.
Gear Wrench makes some sockets called Bolt Biters. I have no experience with them, but they seem good. Also, PB Blaster is your friend.
"should have run away from this job along time ago".. Feel your pain. Doing a FAR simpler woodworking commission job where my fee was planned to be a hundred bux and I must have 4 times the expected time in it. Restarted 3 or 4 times etc etc, did I mention how rusty this thing is?
That is a impressive coolant leak spray shop air and once ya stop instantly the dribble starts @2:05 @Watch Wes Work
you will be a pro on next one you know you wont run away
Thanks for sharing. Love your videos.
Wes, I don't know how you do it. Lemons are tossed at you and you make lemonade. Keep up the good work and look forward to the conclusion. Wish all the bsst, Joe
You sir deserve a beer. That job does not look enjoyable. I wanted to throw stuff just watching you work.
When bolts are that rusted, they are in a liquid state of whatever size socket fits best. So the special bolt head size adjust-or is perfect for the job. :D
hmmm bit of a difference oil or anti-freeze, but then maybe they are not mechanics either. great video - looking forward to the next segment :)
I was probably leaking both. But once I found the coolant leak I stopped looking for an oil leak since we would be in there anyway.
You really must feel sorry for the people from the township. Or you're a sucker for punishment. Delete as applicable 😁 Great video as always Wes! 👍👌
I kind of knew what I was getting into. It probably could have been worse...
Thanks for showing how to remove rusty fasteners without going ballistic. I hope to learn that skill someday. I like the old DT466 Motors, not that I've ever worked on one, but because they are bulletproof. Did you mention what year the truck was?
1998, My bad.
amazing what some people term as old
Well it's pretty old for a truck doing this kind of work.
@@WatchWesWork yup. Its all relative. Here in Newfoundland, 10 years is old, things start falling off at around 6 to 7 years. You don't see daily runners on the road over 15 years old. If its 20 years old? Its stored in the winter and babied.
Nothing is as joyous as working on vehicle's in the rust belt NOT.
Hopefully things go back together much more smoothly.