Was I Wrong about the Drill Doctor?
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- čas přidán 9. 09. 2024
- Some people love it. Some people hate it. Is the Drill Doctor actually good?
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is there a better product out there that is up to your standards?
i watched it lol and others as well the drill dr its ok as far as i am aware
try DBS-22 TORMEK - this is another level
Opening DOES NOT VOID THE WARRANTY IN THE US. It is illegal for manufacturers to state that it does. Look up the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. If a company states that it does then report them to the FTC!!!!
Oh no, Vevor got to you too?
I became a little suspicious when I started seeing Vevor in a large percentage of the channels I subscribe to. I'm still researching but I'm pretty sure they're a CCP controlled company
I'm only joking about them getting to you but I have seen Vevor products on so many channels lately...
I hate drilling with a passion, yet here I am, watching a (second) video of sharpening drill bits.
Time to hit the pool Hank!
I love drilling! Why do you hate it?
@@TheMetalButcherI think the answer is in the screen name. 😂
I knew he was in a drill mania. Called it last video in a comment. 😂
@@TheMetalButcherbecause his drill bits are dull! 😂
Drill Doctor PR team currently trying to find Illinois on a map to 'send the boys around'.
😂
@@andyca15 LOL!!!
We're still waiting for them...
Is there a better sharpener? I suck at hand sharpening.
@@John-qc6of practice more. you can also get a fixture for your bench grinder that takes care of like 90% of the matter for you
I can literally see your wife walk in to check up on you since it's past midnight, you've got reading glasses on and she takes one look at the 'No Drill Doctor' chalkboard map and shakes her head. Bravo Wes
I'm upset that on the 'No Drill Doctor" map of Michigan is missing the thumb of its mitten. Shout out to all my friends in the 313.
@@Andy_Hinners.
I'm originally from the first small farm town north of Flint Michigan Mt. Morris and I didn't even notice that Oops a daisy.
Coast Guard transferred me down to Coast Guard Airstation Miami from Airstation Traverse City Michigan in 79 and I fell in love with no snow slip and slide salt encrusted winters with everything green and lush 365 so when my enlistment was up and I moved back up to Tragic City Michigan in November 80 2 and a half years later divorced and with custody of my daughter and courts permission I moved back to Miami with 10 years down in the Keys (96-06).
5 of my 6 siblings moved to Florida for the same reasons.
Cars actually make it to their warranty limits not having become rust encrusted.
Unless you drive them on a ocean side beach then Michigan winter roads are less of a danger to the steel on your car.
Do I miss Michigan summers, hunting, camping and the ability to swim in lakes, ponds, rivers and other bodies of water without becoming dinner for Alligators, Crocodiles, Pythons and Boa Constrictors (the last two thanks to idiots who let them loose when they got to big to handle and no one else wanted them except boot, belt, vest and hat makers) dinner.
Sometimes until I go out fishing for Dolphin, Snapper, Grouper and other yummy seafood items.
Going to the sandbar party at Whale Harbor in Islamorada where there's hundreds of hotties in extremely small bikinis Mt Bebita Colombian Wife is trying to catch me oogling.
I've become something of a pro at that.
@@Andy_Hinners 😢 No love for the 248 or 810? 😂
@@1chabod
517 too, but no, not so much for the 248/810
Years ago I bought the more expensive Drill Doctor and went on a sharpening spree and sharpened all the bits in my 55 year old set of drills. Some of them sharpened OK but some had a negative lip clearance angle and barely cut warm butter. Due to your video I checked, the bits that with a negative negative lip pitch angle had thick webs. I spent a lot of time trying to sharpen those dam bits but had the same results you did. Incidentally, the shots of the drills being sharpened were very clear and really told the story. Thanks, now I don't feel so stupid.
Same experience for me. We sold it and got a better one.
@@PaletoB what was the one you got instead?
@@trif55 A second hand Swedish "Demanders BSM 35"
I used to have an older Drill Doctor 700 before it was stolen, and it used to sharpen all my 118-degree HSS bits without any problems I can't remember having difficulties with relief angle, even on the larger bits. After I bought a DD 750X sharpener I found I couldn't sharpen those same bits nearly as well, with negative relief usually happening on all sizes. I now have to routinely insert the chuck a few clicks to the left to get bits that actually cut, especially on smaller bits down to 1/8" that my old 700 had no problem sharpening. So much for "progress"... Even though I swore I would never buy anything else from Vevor after buying a POS torque multiplier that was about as bad as anything can be, maybe I'll have to swallow my pride and get one of their MR13B sharpeners.
Just like with the 2x-priced sharpener, if you learn how to line them up by eye, you can sharpen them just fine in the drill dr. It's a poor craftsman who blames his tool.
Wes spends a month making an unpopular video on drill bit sharpening and doubles down on a drill sharpening video about a specialized piece of Amazon garbage....bravo sir! Love it. The internet needs heroes like you.
DD was around way before Amazon.
Amazon garbage? lmfao
@@NoferTrunionsI'll give the @theroosterblocker the benefit of the doubt and assume he's trying to turn "Amazon garbage" into an anthimeria figure of speech, but he's probably just too young to remember anything before Amazon.
It's like most kids these days that can't conceptualize a world that existed without cell phones, the internet and the constant expectation of instant gratification.
I bought my drill doktor about 15 years ago after grinding my own bits for at least 30 years prior. I thought I needed a more consistent grind. After reading the instructions and trying to put them into practice for a good couple of hours, I put the drill doktor back in the box and back on the shelf for a coupla more years to gather dust. It really ate at me that I couldn't figure it out so one afternoon I dragged it back out and set it up and tried again after thoroughly reading the instructions. It is back on the shelf, and anyone is welcome to it for free. And thank you Francis (mechanic I worked with when I was 20) who tawt me how to grind bits...and a million other things. My bits look just like your middle bit. Just remember kids, that the more times you have to regrind a drill bit, the better you get at it.
Thank you again Wes!
I'm glad it's not just me. I did the same thing, it still sits on the shelf unused. I even kept it when moving houses a few years ago.
I had two years of machine trades in high school,two years of trade school , and a three year apprenticeship in tool and die. I’ve worked in the trade for thirty years. I’ve drilled a hole or two. 15 odd years ago the engineers conspired with management and they decided we needed a drill doctor. Best thing ever ,they said. We were all skeptical , to say the least. After a couple weeks of tweaking and fiddling with the thing. We had the same results as you and Wes. It will indeed make a drill sharp however the geometry is so bad it won’t cut. Perhaps if you’re using cheap china drills and only drill pine 2x4s it’s adequate, but for anyone who knows how a sharp drill cuts in steel the drill doctor is a complete and utter failure.
I think you made a good point. Buy a bench grinder and a box of HF $10 bits and just practice sharpening them.
You will be better off and have a skill.
The same experience here. I have friends who swear by them. Something I read a long time ago on the garage Journal was that Drill Doctor produced a batch of defective units about the time you are talking about, my time also. The company was taken to court but never admitted the problem. I also read that if you ignore the settings and use a new bit to establish new ones it does work. I was so underwhelmed with it I never tried but it may work. Again, this just what I read. Maybe someone can try it to see if it does. I probably will over the winter, or finally toss it.
I have an old blue green colour drill doctor and it actually works out of the box very well , remember it is a very old one. At work we have a new grey colour drill doctor and it has all of the problems you encountered and it’s junk nearly $600 dollars her in Australia. Will keep an eye out for a visor unit.
Wife asked what i was watching. She convinced I've lost my mind.
🤣
😂
Just tell her the body cannot live without the mind...that should buy you some time...lol
The intro had me where I had to stay.
I count on his videos to keep me normal.
She is correct.
Awesome follow up video. I had a drill doctor. It rotted in the corner because I hated the results but didn’t want to throw away money I had already thrown away. Sold it for 10 bucks at my wife’s garage sale just to unload it. The guy that bought it thought he had just hit the jackpot. Good luck bro.
Nice
I think that what I'll do. I can sharpen my bits by hand just as good.
@@tracywagoner4907 I'm going to put mine in a press and take pictures
hey, since most of my drill bits are 118's, I'd have happily paid $10 for it. Just not $120.
Wes, I have had 2 of the original DD500's with the 750 chuck and left hand chuck options for over 30 years. I have never had a problem with sharpening bits. I have drill bits from literally every MFG ranging from thick wed to thin, tight to loose spiral etc. I also acquired a Grizzly H8203 from the tent sale, pre covid ($40, Had a broken wire, new in box, bought it cheap, works great once I repaired it) Now the style of DD you tested, I am not impressed with but the originals are awesome. With the DD there is a bit of fudge factor when setting up and that is determined after just one or 2 initial twists then inspect before completely attempting to sharpen. Once you learn the tricks, it can actually make for a nice evening with a beverage and sharpening a box of bits in need of tlc. (love my auction/garage sale/swap meet finds)
My dad had an old Drill Doctor (it came with a VHS how-to video). He was convinced it was junk and just told me dull bits were just a fact of life. I finally got it out, read the instructions, and for our cheapo bits, it worked. Turns out he didn't understand how to get the drill in the right orientation for sharpening and was just grinding off what little point his dull bits had left. I just sharpen them for him now.
The intro 😂
Time traveler
One of the best.
@@GsFoxbody Patreon early access
Epic
Probably the best intro I've seen lol gave off some Jeff Burick/James Corbett vibes!
Check them out if you all want to get informed on what the overlords have planned for us.
An 8" bench grinder is the same price (or even less) and is overall WAY more useful. Glad I was taught properly by my elders and never wasted any money on a Dr Drill Wrecker
I can make a drill cut sharpening it by hand on a bench grinder, but I cannot assure the point is centered
Idiot newbie here, so please forgive the ignorant question. You specify 8" grinder -- is it way better than the 6"? I'm looking to buy, but I trust Wes' watchers WAY more than the rest of the unqualified hacks throwing their opinions around on the internet. LOL
But what is cheaper: a bench grinder or a drill Dr.... you find in thrift stores?
@@obsidianjane4413 This is simple to answer, a Bench grinder. I paid $100 USD for my bench grinder. I was taught years ago that the drill doctor didn't sharpen drill bits correctly. I have saved more money with my bench grinder than a drill doctor would have saved me so in the long run a bench grinder is cheaper.
@@obsidianjane4413a drill doctor did one thing. Badly. A bench grinder can do many things. At the skill of the user. Did you watch the part of the video where he said that?
I've got an older Drill Doctor that I inherited when a former employer eliminated their little machine shop. I think "Good Enough" is the best way to describe it. It's worth more than I paid for it (nothing) and it keeps my drills usable.
Mine was crap.I went back to sharping by hand
Sharpening
It's better than nothing. Or if you have the hand eye-coordination of a blind apprentice who's been drinking too much coffee.
Even on a bad day I can still hand-sharpen better than a Drill Doctor. But if someone took away my bench grinder, and I had a box of dull bits and a job that needed doing, it'd be better than plowing dull bits into a workpiece.
I have got very good use out of mine. The demonstration of the tool shows he didn't keep the holder in contact with the edge the full 360 degrees. It is no wonder he had less than desirable results. Just like anyone else who doesn't follow the directions correctly.
@@joelfenner The main difference for me is that I have to actually think and pay attention when sharpening by hand. It takes a lot of concentration, but the Drill Doctor is just something you can do on autopilot with very little concentration needed. So sometimes that in itself is a distinct advantage.
As a Mechanical Engineer, Hotrodder, and all around "tinkerer" I've been drilling holes in things for more years than I want to think about (65 now and retired but still making metal chips)! I learned how to sharpen drill and lathe tool bits by hand a LONG time ago! Having said that, I bought a Drill Doctor about 30 years ago and still dig it out from time to time to "freshen up" my old, tired drill bits. It took a little getting used to at first but as with everything "Practice makes better, nothing is ever Perfect". It still works fine and has paid for itself and then some versus buying new bits...
@@PhilG999 I'm a retired HD mechanic, I also have drilled a Brazilian holes, I can sharpen a bit in 30 seconds( minute) and not get pissed while fooling with that bit sharpener. But I have no patience, maybe that's why I haven't succeeded. See ya later
I'm the same age as you and learned drill sharing in school in the Navy. A few years later my father who was a die maker showed me his way which was easier. The place I work at about 20 years ago got a drill doctor because nobody in the shop but me could hand sharpen. Drill doctor took a little practice but in worked okay.
@@michaelcook2220 Hand sharpening is a lost art these days! My machine shop instructor in Jr College (my first MET degree) was a crusty old, retired Navy machinist. The first thing he told us on the first day of class was "You won't get an "A+" unless you can do it better than *I* can"!
First tool to make was a lathe bit, hook, radius, backrake, the whole thing. We had a drawing but had to do it "by eye". When I handed it to him after the first try, he looked at it, then looked me in the eye and said: "That'll do"...
I made "As" on every project that whole year! Still have that lathe tool to this day, along with all my projects.
Those came in handy years later when I went to work for a company as an Engineering "Contractor". Shop foreman mentioned he went to the same school and still had HIS projects! I took mine in the next day and we compared them. My work was better!
BTW my Granddad was a Lockheed Machinist...
I'm a retired machinist mate
"30 years ago" I suspect that QC and tolerances have deteriorated over that time.
I’m the guy that has the drill bit drawer stuffed with inherited or loose found bits from farm auctions. Anything that resembles a quarter inch or smaller diameter I religiously sharpen with my 40 year old cheap (the blue one) Drill Doctor, larger diameter I reluctantly sharpen on a bench grinder when it feels like it is working too hard. I believe you are spot on and I love the video.
I love it, you say no one watched a video on sharpening drills, so you double-down and make a second one!! I wonder how drill DR worked on your 3d printed drills?
We need a third video!
i just watch it because its a WWW video regardless of the content
BRILLIANT 😅
@@blackwidowrsa Wes is quickly becoming the replacement for This Old Tony. I know Tony is taking care of his parents now and can't make as much content. However, Wes is taking over that mantle fairly quickly.
Coming in the future: Wes's Drill Sharpeners, 2025 Edition
Hi, Wes. I love your content and never miss an episode. I have a Drill Doctor, two in fact. I couldn't say why but I never threw out a dull bit and had a whole container of them. Then the DD came along and fixed my problem with dull bits. The first time I used it, it paid for itself multiple times over. I love it! But I got mine at least 15 yrs ago, and only do homeowner stuff. Good luck on all your work.
At least you are using Hagoromo chalk, the mark of a true professional!
I personally love watching your videos and I appreciate your wife’s support as well in the whole endeavor.
I caught that as well. I just saw a short little documentary on the stuff I need to order me some.😁😁👍👍
Oh dear Lord...... I see a chalk video in the near future. 🫣
I have now learned more about drill sharpening than I ever thought possible. I learned how to sharpen drill bits on my own one day. We were drilling 3/4 inch holes in plates to fab up a metal building; and we had a LOT of holes to drill.. and the bit was smoking the lube and wouldn't hardly drill and the press was getting worked hard.. and I knew I couldn't make it any worse, so I just took it to a grinder and experimented.. I tried to sharpen it about 3 different times, in different ways.. and then suddenly it was cutting like butter. At that time, I didn't even know that sharpening drills was even possible at all-- I had never seen anything about it or heard about it... I feel like an expert now. :)
I’m with willsmith: have had it for YEARS, and love it! I’m 82, and my first serious jobs were in pretty high tech (for the 1950’s) shops and huge volume (millions per year) production businesses, and every one of them had a very expensive sharpener for drill bits. At first had troubles with my Drill Doctor, but after really paying attention to set up, have been able to sharpen every one of several hundred bits perfectly-and I buy the best they have at the local hardware store. Yours, unfortunately, was a “Monday” or “Friday” assembly job. That said, those thick bits you got just do not do it.
From one of the few ;) who watched the other video. Thank you again! Just ordered the Vevor so that I can cheat on bit sharpening when I need to.
When I get back to Norway I will look for the Vevor drill sharpener for sure.
I put pressure on him to make the video and I watched.
Also this is one of his most watched videos in over a year and it’s only the first day. The squeaky wheel gets the oil
Time is money
watched both videos, great content as usual. That intro was fantastic, great work!
this intro with the map is hilarious, well-written and delivered
i've used the Drill Doctor for years. i got mine back in the late 80s? maybe it was the 90s. when i got it, i could still sharpen bits free hand like my Dad taught me, it was just time consuming for me.
i worked in automotive repair and i used drill bits regularly. mostly on broken bolts that someone else had done, but i did break my own share too.
i had collected a lot of broken and dull bits over the years tossed out by other people. some i had sharpened when i needed them, but most sat in a drawer or a box waiting for when i had the time and felt like sitting at a grinder.
when i got it i watched the Drill Doctor VHS tape a couple of times, then carried it to work, mounted it on my bench, and did a few bits. not all, but most worked ok, the broke bits took way too long to fix with the Drill Doctor.
i watched the vid a couple more times, did some more bits and started getting better results.
although it did have problems with the wider webbed bits, my Drill Doctor has done thousands of bits with good results and most of the time a lot faster than i could have done them by hand.
years later a friend i worked with way back when i first got it was working at another shop and remembered how well mine worked. they got one and it didn't work at all. i went up and tried it and only on the larger bits did it do anything close to a decent job,.. for drilling wood.
that one didn't last very long, it got knocked off the bench a few times and ran over once and it was done. they got a second one and mounted it. he told me it also wasn't working very good. i went up and tried using it, nothing i did let me get a decent bit from it. a few days later i found mine and took it to the shop, mounted it and proceed to get good results right away on the same bits.
i don't think the quality is the same, and from my recent experience with newer versions, i agree, for someone drilling wood or maybe thin mild steel and using narrow webbed bits the DD is ok.
I've found my older DD (that came with VHS instructions) I picked up at a yard sale to really work well for my limited purposes.
Thank you for the information. I got one for Christmas one year, and could never get it to work correctly. Brother in law taught me how to sharpen drill bits using a bench grinder, and I put the DD back in the box, and gave it to a co-worker that I hate.
@@d.e.b.b5788 Lol! Well played!
just did about 20 bits yesterday with my DD, all look good.
i will say, getting one of the MR13s does sound good, but kind of hard to justify the price while my DD is still ok for me. on the wide webbed bits i can still roll them around the grinder.
Wes, I just watched the drill sharpening video, and it was extremely helpful. After trying to learn in the shop, your 3-d printed visual aids really helped, and your explanations did, too. Don't pay so much attention to percentages - there are a lot of us out there who really appreciate the time you take, and I will never buy a drill doctor. Thanks so much, Victoria
I never watched the first video, I think it was 1977 I was taught how to sharpen drill bits, the old boy I was working under got sick of me asking him to sharpen a bit so he showed me how. Truly a great skill to have.
Fast forward a whole bunch of years to about 2002. I was field service and we had a bunch of machines that were having breaking bolts for the swing bearing and track rollers. Lots of drilling involved. I got sick of crawling out from under an excavator and sharpening bits, so I bought a drill doctor and would have it under the machine with me, once the drill quit drilling easy I would just do a quick touch up. It worked really good.
I wore that one out, it was one of the older ones that could do twist drills, left hand drills and masonry drills. I tried to buy the parts to repair but Drill Doctor no longer made that style but they gave me a deal on a brand new one.
It is no where as good as the old one was, in fact I don't even use it anymore, well I am retired, but before I retired I hardly used it.
And I did work in a machine shop at one time. They had this big fancy bit sharpener, I forget what make. It was pretty much useless for anything under 1" but big bits, oh yes. And yes all the machinist were perfectly capable of sharpening a bit but this thing sped things up and with a perfect every time, they used it quite a bit
I bought one DD's in the early 2000's, best $159.99 door stop i ever bought!!!
"It's not good but for a lot of people it's probably good enough" -very true for the majority of these sorts of products.
For the price of that thing I can buy an awful lot of cheapo drill bits for the couple of times I need to drill a hole.
I don't get it. It makes negative angles on drill bits. How do they even use them?
Just look at these products as a "crutch". Poorly-made ones, at that.
@@RubenKelevra Probably people who use 135 degree bits don't ever buy those and people who use 118 degree bits are happy with the results.
@@RubenKelevra It's a secret feature - run your drill in reverse and it fills the holes in.
I just got one on eBay, these things are the bomb! Currently bringing several generations of drills back from the dead. Thanks Wes!
One of "these"
.....which one of these did you get.
@@randywl8925 The B mod. I have a bunch of 3 generation of hand me down drills that are finally going to get the love they deserve. The b model seemed more appropriate for the thick web style.
The great thing about Wes is he can get me to watch not 1, but 2, count 'em TWO, videos about sharpening 'drills' (learned that also), and me actually coming away from it like, that was really interesting, now I know, in case I ever need to, and I don't wanna go back to not knowing! GREAT CHANNEL!!
I agree with your assertion that all machinists sharpen by hand. In my shop it was sacrilege to use a mechanical device.
Thats because all larval engineers/machinists are tauhgt how to do it properly.
A lot of machinists use tool sharpeners when it really counts. Most machinists should have one in the shop if they do any lathe work. But to set up the tool sharpener just to sharpen a drill for making a hole in some sheet metal doesn’t make sense. Hand sharpening is way faster.
I am a machinist and have used a drill doctor at a past manufacturing shop. It was kept in a box in the tool crib and only came out when a very small drill such as the smallest number drills needed a touchup. Otherwise everything was sharpened on bench grinders.
That hand sharpening drill bit video is super useful and it's one that people can refer to for as long as it's up - the view count on it will rise for years.
Love my drill doctor. I used to drill constantly on 16 gauge to 3/8 stainless ( 308 mostly) in the field. Careful to follow the instructions. Also I made a little modification to sharpen my 2% lanthanum tig tungstens. Very smooth and good arc starts. Read the instructions and practice. My drill bits come out nicely and cut well using drilling paste.
I know how to read.
@@WatchWesWork Those instructions, though...they're a bit thick.
My $5 yard sale DD does a more than adequate job of sharpening my Chinesium bits. Seeing as more of them get broken than dulled, it does decent at turning them into a shorter bit 😃
@@WatchWesWork Are you sure about that?
Let's see the mod for the tungsten. I'd like to do that to mine
@@weldingfabrication817I bought two of the early versions, the have the diamond coated spindle under a clear cover. I simply drilled an 1/8 hole at an angle to insert the tungsten. As my tungstens are short ( always use a button back ) I use a small tip drill to hold the tungsten. Leaves a smooth finish. In my own shop ( 80% of my work is field ) I often buff the tungsten on a pedestal buffer for a tungsten that has great low amp starting and stability. Surface finish makes a huge difference at low amps on DC. Call me lazy but when fabbing parts that co$t thousands of dollars you need everything in your favor.
I've sharpened drills since the sixties. I operated a gang drilling machine with five drill motors and coolant. Loaded large witch hat shaped forged brake rotors for driveshafts. Large lathe heads fastened to the table, held them. Junk in metal like hitting center drills and dull bits ended up with busted drill bits. The big grinder was way over on the other side of the plant. Automatic quill stop, but I couldn't leave it running unattended. So, about every hour, I would run over and sharpen them. They were a little over an inch. And a few were busted. 135° split point, as close as I could get. Later on, a company I worked at had one. Of course my own drill bits are not made in China. I was really let down. Had to turn them in the holder to even get close. So much for one size fits all. I am glad I didn't waste my own money, thinking about saving time. A grinding wheel and dresser is way cheaper than DD. I wish I could find a sharpener that can sharpen the deep hole parabolic drill bits.
Whether it is the last does not matter. Humorous actual education is priceless. Thank you sir!
Awesome and Thank you for making me feel better about myself. I purchased a drill doctor several year ago and dulled every bit that i ownec that night 🌙.
Love the drill bit sharpening series. The deeper into the weeds we get the more fun I'm having. Would be awesome to see a video about grain structure and hardness of grinding wheels next.
The drill sharpening series may get cut short if Wes fell in love with that lovely dozer. That looks like a 10 to 20 part series. I have loved the drill sharpening series so far too.
For sure education and entertainment simultaneously. What’s not to love
Tjhat would be a 3 part series at least. Can't remember how many college hours it took but I have a thick binder of Norton products material.
Need more of these drill bit videos !
They're the only ones I watch here.
this exactly aligns with my experience with the Drill Doctor. a coworker owned one and loved it. All of his bits came from Harbor Freight, and he had good results. So he offered to sharpen a few of my old aircraft grade bits with thick webbing, and they ended up just like yours did.
I see the dropping bevel where the cutting edge isn't the "highest" point but based on how it works to align the drill-bit (I've got a 750 I got for free) I don't see how it's misaligning so badly? can you manually rotate it back an appropriate amount of degrees before tightening it to resolve the issue?
That is what I do. Fiddly though.
I heard many years ago that if a news article's headline is a question, then the answer is almost always "no." Good to see that holds up for YT videos as well 👍
Then you've never watched "Ancient Aliens" on the History channel. They ask a question, and the answer is always the same: "Ancient Alien Theorists, say "Yes" " 😂 😂😂
I was fortunate enough to have a very experienced machinist show me how to properly sharpen bits by hand using a bench grinder.
There aren't many people who I would watch make a video about sharpening drill bits, and only one I'd watch do that twice. Really enjoy your dry sense of humor, looking forward to the next one.
unless you bought a drill defecator like I did.
Can't speak to Drill Doctors of late but the Drill Doctor I bough, the Handyman 250, over 25 years ago is stellar and I've been using the drill bits it has sharpened ever since.
Interesting, have they made changes in the years since? Wes needs to do a 3rd. video - look into if older Drill Doctors actually do a decent job.
Maybe there's some retired professional that would send Wes a vintage drill Dr., and we could get the third video?
I’ve had my old Drill Doctor so long, it came with a VHS tape.
It has always done a fantastic job for me.
My dad bought a drill Doctor 25 years ago and it was the greatest thing since sliced cheese. My mentally deficient godson was able to use it and all the bits came out better than new
yea the old ones are supper good, the new ones need adjusting and knowing how to set the angle correctly i have both and the old one works better
This video is brilliant and the intro had me lol. However, my Uncle's little side hustle of sharpening bits for the breakfast club guys with his drill doctor is now in jeopardy. Wes is the whistle blower they didn't see coming!
Can't argue with a happy customer!
I’m SICKOS, WHEN YOU POPPED IT OPEN “YESSS YESSSSSSS”
Teardown and analysis very important in every product review thank you
Have had a Drill doctor on my CZcams channel off and on for 10 years. It's a great trick to trigger comments cause of the love hate they have. 90% of the time I am a hand grinder guy. But a small folger coffee can sits next to my drill doctor. I break or burn down a bit I cut the tip off flat and throw it in the can. Every few month when killing time I throw them in the Doctor for a quick regrind then hand finish them to live in the trash drill can I grad for drilling out rusty stuff. Somehow along the way the drill doctor got ladled a finishing tool when it's really a regrind prep tool.
Thanks for the product review! There are so many drill sharpener products on the market. It's good to know that at least one of the affordable ones isn't total junk.
Pretty good video. Wes. I enjoy your company, even if the subject matter is so humble. Loved the old Cat at the end...ha ha!
My experience.
I bought a drill doctor 500 twenty or more years ago. Couldn't get a drill bit sharp to save my life. I wrote it off as junk and it ended up in the far recesses of my tool pile.
Fast forward a few years, I saw the 750 and thought it must be better, so I bought that. Same results, same fate.
I have a drawer full of drill bits and last year I was working on a project that I had half-a-dozen larger bits the same size, all dull.
I finally got so frustrated, I broke down and read the instruction manual cover to cover. What an eye opener! It explained the differences in bits and how to correctly set the different markings on the sharpener to the different bits. What a difference in my results. The bits came out consistently sharp. It actually became a joy to drill. I now touch up all my bits before I use them.
BTW, I have also done some machine shop work, and here in the US, even in small shops we had drill sharpening machines, with several different mandrels for the bits. Heavy old machines that cost a lot of money.
For my money, in my shop, hands down, Drill Doctor is #1.
Thank you for telling my story!
I've had my Drill Doctor for about 30 years. If you read and follow the instructions, it works fine. I haven't had any issues, but I have never sharpened any drill bit over 1/2in.
I also have a bit sharpener attached to my grinder, but rarely use it.
Depending on the year it was made, the instructions can be a bit of a headache to decipher. I personally found it easier to learn how to use the thing once I tossed them out. Lol.
But, I agree. I've been using mine for a number of years now (picked it up used for a few bucks). I'm not even sure it can fit a bit larger than 1/2", but then again it's designed more for your average home garage.
It's not going to meet the standards that are required in any reputable machinist's shop, but that's not the intended target (nor should anyone think so).
If I have to touch up a larger bit, then I'll do so by hand. But, for the more common sized ones (that I've some how amassed a dragons hoard worth of), I'll let them build up and then quickly sharpen the while like in a few minutes. Something that hand sharpening would require far longer as my focus begins to wain.
Now that I've watched two drill sharpening videos I'm awaiting the finale. We all know great sagas are always trilogies. Where would we have been without The Good the bad and the ugly, Return of the Jedi, The Dark Knight Rises, or LOTR Return of the King?
Brill !!
Doors of Stone?
My dad bought a drill doctor years ago. We used it a few times maybe. It’s been sitting gathering dust. I much rather hand sharpen drills by eye than use that thing. You’ve got my attention with the vevor sharpener.
Well holy shit. I’m watching and wondering “yeah, but I wonder if the vevor corrects this issue” and then you pull off the towel. Hell yes- exactly what I wanted to see! Big thanks!
I hand ground drill bits back in high school and machine shop so I know how to but I recently just bought a drill doctor and basically everything you said in this video I 100% agree with the drill doctor is made for someone like myself that is not in a machine shop that is not into heavy fabrication anything like that I buy harbor freight bits I get bits in garage sales and stuff like that that's not you know high quality high dollar bits so the drill doctor works perfect for me for someone that is in a machine shop and stuff I highly suggest hand grinding or the of the machine you got there they both serve a very good place they both have a price point and a consumer base very good video bud
I just found your channel tonight so am subscribing and will watch all previous sharpening videos you have already produced. I realize I don’t even know what I don’t know about sharpening drill bits or any metal items with edges. I’m 59 and my dad already passed so I don’t even know who to ask. I’ll appreciate any good advice anyone can offer. Heck, I’ll appreciate any half fast advice anyone can offer!
I'm looking forward to if/when Drill Doctor responds to your video.
When pigs fly😮
@@markmiller2263PIGS CAN FLY?!
Companies know how to fix bad opinions about their products..its called legal team.
The introduction for this video was awarded winning comedy! Your videos are always informative but the subtle jokes keep me coming back.
That intro killed me😂 I’ve rewatched 20 times
Well I have been using my Drill Doctor for years and it rarely does a bad job
OTOH I mostly use handyman grade drill bits although I do have a full set of letter drills & tapping drills in both metric & Imperial sizes but most of my tapping is fitting helicoils or time certs.
Small drill sharpeners are by & large made for the average Joe who never sharpens enough drill bits to develope the muscle memory required to hand sharpen accurately & evenly ., let alone dresses their grinding wheels even if they have the tools to do that with .
It is easy for pros to forget the months they spent as an apprentice sharpening drill bits all day long for the tradesmen .
The fitters shop had a Darex , looked like it was made during WW II and they probably sharpened 1,000 bits a day with it .
When I left I looked for second hand ones but they all ran to several grand so it would have been cheaper for me to buy new bits every time
Dads sharpener which did a reasonable job , it was one of those that mounts on the side a of a wet stone but No1 son got that along with his tool makers lathe ( and no he was not a tool maker )
I sharpen 1 or 2 bits a week on average so never enough to become proficient and mostly the afore mentioned insert drills and usually into aluminium
I suppose it is horses for courses
I am just your average bloke who fixes things so in my case just getting both sides the same length is good enough as I run a mobile mower repair shop where precision is not important & I am not trying to drill out grade 8 bolts or broken HSS taps .
Funny enough the point splitter worked fine on mine from day 1 .
More important was the left hand attachments because the drills I use most are LH ones for removing broken bolts from crankshafts & blade spindles .
Never seen or hear of a Vevor down in Oz as most of the tool stores here are of the HF kind , real engineering supply retailers are few & far between and just about all part of one of the 3 franchises franchise that brings in 100% Chinese junk and 2 of which are owned by the same parent company that has over 70% of the hardwear market .
But now I am aware of them I will keep a look out .
Considering you got so many comments from people with Drill Doctors who are happy with them then they must be good enough for most people .
Big difference between pro grade & domestic grade and that applies to just about everything .
And considering the bulk of blokes drill using a battery drill now days how many manage to get to within 20% of the proper speed for the size of the hole & the material they are drilling .
I liked the drill bit video. I learnt a lot and confirmed my suspicions that I’m crap at it. Keep doing what you’re doing.
The intro is superb! 😂
The real question- can we convince Wes to design and build his own drill sharpening machine for us folk who refuse to just learn to do it on a bench grinder!
Why, if the Vevor works as good as he says it does?
Theres gotta be a way to 3D print an attachment for a bench grinder so it becomes as easy to use as the vevor.
@@johnaclark1 Because I'd rather buy one with the WWW logo on it.
@@G.Davis67 They make jigs for bench grinders. I have one made by General. It works better than the drill doctor, but that's not saying much. I guess if you want to make sure the drill bit is centered it's pretty good, but I prefer to just do it by hand.
I watched both drill videos, the way you present and the quick wit keeps me chuckling. I always look forward to your videos. Thanks keep up the good work
Great nit noid in depth analysis. I’m not a professional and am not obsessed with the technical aspects of drill sharpening. I’ve used a drill Dr. for years and the drills I sharpen work just fine.
Never a "Dull" moment Wes, get the pun...dull. I enjoyed the first drill video, and thought I left a positive comment. I am happy that vevor is a good machine/tool. My step son does use a drill, I set in a chair whining about life. Old and useless, more forgotten than anything. I also found a channel you probably have watched. Cutting edge Australia.... I do think you and this fellows humor might just align if you haven't seen his videos. I like the size equipment he tackles plus lots of machine work... I truly miss using a lathe and a horizontal mill. I know that there are a ton of other machinist tools but for a guy who is just getting started.. good place to begin at. Setting up a crankshaft or camshaft machine is not for faint of heart.... Loved the art work as well
I like how you said a while back “no one seems to care if I put a ton of extra time into editing videos” and you’ve added all sorts of theatrics 😂 love the videos man keep it up. You are correct as a machinist, drill doctor is rubbish
He also said "No one watched my first drill sharpening video" yet here he is with a second one... 🙂
Don't hesitate to make more drill bit videos. I know so much more about drill bits now. I'm just a layman I never knew the difference between a cheap box of bits and advanced bits made to drill through big sheets of metal. I wouldn't have known what to ask!
I have had the original drill doctor, for over 20 years and I wouldn't give it up, I'm a mechanic who does alot of broken exhaust manifold bolts, drilling rust and hardened bolts, couldn't live without it
I use a drill doctor. I have a pretty large "hobby shop". It's especially nice for smaller drill bits IMO. I just don't sharpen bits often enough to be that good at it. I have two Plasma cutting CNC tables and an Arcdroid. As well as a couple lathes and a CNC Mill. As well as a CNC router and a few laser machines (both CO2 and Diode). A 3d printer and some other fun welding stuff. Pretty much a small prototyping shop. And yes. I use it quite often. And the comment about sharpening brand new factory bits. It is better than the factory edge.
I gave my drill doctor away before even opening it. My dad tried valiantly to teach me to sharpen drills. He tried. I bought a whole box of drills and learned more profanity. Worked so far. The Vevor looks pretty cool. But where would my new vocabulary get used? 😊 Thanks for the video.
If a Vevor product outclasses the competition: what an embaressement! They are not terrible, but certainly the harbor freight class for professionals. (looking at my Vevor optical fibre fusion splicer. It works reliable but certainly nothing show off.)
They make that? Lol Vevor is weird AF.
I took my Drill Doctor apart, and use the diamond drum and motor assembly to sharpen my tungsten. I made a little jig that the motor is bolted to with angled holes to get different tip geometries.
i watched the drill sharpening video and i loved it... no one would post a video on how to do it, but you did it.
Thank you for these two videos. I have never been able to sharpen a drill effectively on the Drill Doctor. I could see the negative angle you described but figured I was using the tool wrong. Now I know it is just no good. Will get a Vevor once they are back in stock. Thanks again!
I'm 1:15 into this video, and it's already my favorite WWW video of all time😂😂
I love the whiteboard on a clean, painted wall. It's almost... professional?
Professional? Let's not get carried away!
I have never had any success sharpening drill bits with my Drill Doctor. The various surfaces never line up, as you pointed out at 6:00.
The finished Drill Dr - sharpened drills work ok as long as I start the hole with a starter drill. My uncle left me a bunch of them in his machinist’s box from when he was a tooling inspector in a defense plant in WWII. Someday my son will have to buy new ones, but for me, it’s a lifetime supply
You had me at "void the warranty".😁
Thank you Wes so much for this video! I have a Drill Doctor, from way back in the day when it came with its own VCR videotape to show how to use it. I even saved an old CRT-TV/VCR combo unit in the garage so I could watch that tape while I tried, unsuccessfully, to use the Drill Doctor. I got the exact same results as you - the back angle was zero-to-negative, and you are the first person ever to explain that this has to do with the web thickness.
What an A-Hah moment! Most of my drills do have the thick web, which explains why I have never been able to use the Drill Doctor to get a good result. I, too, was taught how to hand-sharpen a drill while in high school machine shop. I think that both this and your previous sharpening videos will go slow-viral and probably be more popular in five years than they are now.
Ran into the same issue of a negative relief with my drill doctor; glad to hear the explanation. All the more reason to try switching to your method.
Nice video - I watched the other one beginning to end. INTERESTINGLY...the technique I was taught is almost the reverse of yours...IE: grind the releif first with a twisting motion, working up to the cutting edge. I need to try your method soon, I think I'm going to like it better than the way I was taught!
0:28 I’m not struck on that World Map Wes!😂
It’s actually just a map of all North America…
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@@ChuckThree I was being Ironic!
I agree that the Drill Doctor sucks with larger bits. I completely ruined a 1/2" bit recently with it. On the other hand, I've used it with bits smaller than about 3/8" with moderate success. The bottom line is I have one and I paid good money for it so I'll get what use I can out of it. Thanks for the comparison/review.
As you should!
1/2" isn't large.. and even if it did wreck it should be able to fix it using a standard grinder
Sell it to some sucker and buy a vevor. You will be a disappointment to Wes for abandoning his prodiginine, but that is the circle of life.
I draw the angles on the table of the grinder but I use the sanding disc attachment. For smaller drills you use the disc closer to the centre so you do not generate too much heat. Once I cut the cutting edge I rotate the drill 100 degrees and push the back end of the drill down as well. Works for me. Practice makes perfect.
I learned how to sharpen bits when I was in FFA shop class in high school then I discovered drill doctor.. It kept a better angle then me. Now VEVOR? Awe hell ... whatever it takes to get the job done.. Great Video!
Did you wear a disguise when you bought that drill doctor?
I used my wife's credit card.
@@WatchWesWorkClose enough! 😁👍
Dude I dunno about your channel history, but I subscribed to some dude repairing farm equipment and now you're coming out as a whole ass engineer. Love it! :)
He has a mechanical engineering degree IIRC.
The drill doctor only works on a flat Earth.
LOL!
I agree with you guys. I returned mine.
I love mine. Don’t have the dexterity to hand sharpen like in Wes’s tutorial.
@@myk55501Unicorn drill doctor doesn't count
You mean like one of those woven metal ground-straps?😁
My first machine shop job was sharpening drill bits in a screw machine/ hydromat shop, we had real drill grinders and tool grinders. We always split points by hand, i'll bet I split a million of them. Next shop I worked in I sharpened by hand and never used a machine again. Your opinion of the thing was exactly how I expected it,
There it's an adjustment for the relief. It has to do with the angle at which you insert the collet that holds the bit. Read the manual, the machine works fine. I have one and I love it.
I got very good service from a drill doctor. Hundreds of drill bit sharpened multiple times. If I wasn't retired I would own today.
Again proving, the name Drill Doctor is best used as a porn star name.
@0:05: I watched it. Along with over 100k of my closest friends. And enjoyed it. And... I have been watching the Vevor products and waiting for my impulse buy genes to kick in. Anyway, thanks for the research and science. I've enjoyed learning.
Before I got serious about wood and metal working, I would occasionally hand sharpen drills,not expecting them do be perfect. Then I started woodturning, which requires as much skill sharpening the tools as cutting with them. There are some great jigs for aligning the tools, I started learning with some of them. Then my big boy pride and ambition convinced me that I could do it all free hand, I got good at this, but the jigs still worked better and faster. All this taught me about cutting edge angles, and relief angles. Many types of gouges, skews, and scrapers, all using different angles. Most important to understand is that bowl gouges, spindle gouges, roughing gouges, etc. usually are used rubbing the bevel on the wood, gently rotating until the cutting edge starts slicing the wood. So, with that understanding, I hand sharpen my drills, slight angle near the edge, steeper behind it, and can usually get good results. They cut like crazy, and usually very clean. If I get the center or point of the drill a bit off, not so clean, but perfect holes usually aren’t needed. That’s what forstner bits are for. Can’t drill metal with forstner bits, but if I need very accurate clean holes, I just experiment, keep resharpening until I get it right. With practice, and visualizing how the edges should look, anyone can get good at this.
Wes, I would like to say this along with all your videos are very well done. Thank you for the high effort content.
I definitely agree with you on the drill doctor. I bought the 750 quite a few years ago and spent several hours trying to make it work but never had any repeatable success. one bit would sharpen decent then the next one would be worse than when I started. Just wanted it to true up the center and angle. I went back to my Starrett drill angle gauge and free handed it. Maybe better than nothing if you don't have a grinder but barely.
Maybe Drill Doctors work great. But for me it is just too fiddly to get it to work. I tried. There may be tricks to using one that I don't know and can't figure out. Either way I can freehand sharpen bits which makes me less motivated working with a Drill Doctor. I got the one I have cheap at a yard sale in the box. I think I only paid $5 for it? Thing's like brand new.
@@1pcfredmine works great, not fiddly at all if you just rtfm.
@@CrazyHamSales RTFM doesn't change what the device is. Which is a piece of crap. You're not even supposed to run steel on diamonds. That's because diamonds are carbon and steel has carbon in it too. So something called carbon migration happens. Where the carbon in steel dissolves the diamonds.
So I shouldn't tell you about my Tormek wet wheel sharpener with the drill bit sharpening accessory. I also own an olde Drill Doctor. Since all my drilling is in wood I keep it simple and never change my point angle . If I want to do drill bit brain surgury I use the Tormek. I worship at the altar of Tormek.
I'll need to find my long lost rich uncle before I can buy one of those!
@@WatchWesWork If you find that uncle of yours, tell him he owes me $100
Tormeks are a bit on the overpriced side for what they are. The major difference between a Tormek and the cheap ones is the Tormek does have a stainless steel shaft. So the cheapos can rust out if you don't treat them with some marine grease. By the time most folks figure that out the damage is done. Still, you could buy 3 cheapos for what one Tormek costs. I just dry grind and dip. Tormeks are too effing slow.
Brilliant Wes.
Glad to hear that it not just me. I have owned a drill doctor for over 20 years and have NEVER managed to sharpen 1 drill successfully. It always leaves negative rake (I think it might sharpen left hand drill bits) which keeps the nicely sharpened cutting edge from cutting.
I absolutely knew the G clamp was going to make an appearance as soon as you saw the pressed shaft assembly. I had a good chuckle, that's the way I'd have done it too.