Can You Free a Seized Engine with a Grease Gun?
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- čas přidán 13. 10. 2019
- A viewer suggested I try using a grease gun to free up the seized engine in the old IH 3850 loader. Will it actually work?
Part 1 here: • International 3850 End... - Auta a dopravní prostředky
The engine has had a mix of ATF and diesel in the cylinders for 4 weeks at the time I filmed this. I have no idea why I keep getting comments that I need to put some kind of special sauce in the cylinders. We did. I should have made the end of the video the beginning, because no one watched the explanation at the end.
@@stinkyvonfishstix4196 *their car
@@electricitysucks5 Period after 'idiots'.New sentence. Capital i on 'it's.
I understand this engine is probably roached but for future reference putting a breaker bar on the crankshaft with a heavy weight on the end can help the oil penetrate the cylinder walls. My father did that to a chrysler 360 v8 it took weeks but it freed up and went back to work.
I watched the explanation at the end. :-) Thanks for sharing that video! I hope to see more!
We had a old 4cyl ford in a old skidsteer that was seized. We took the head off and gently hammered down on the top of the piston with a block of wood and lots of penetrating oil.
"It'll either work or it'll break something"
I think every mechanic ever has said those words atleast twice a year.
So many times, if it fixes it everything is good, if it does the other F to it, it needed fixing anyway.
When you said “we are not wealthy people” I felt that in my soul. You are not alone my friend. I love hard working good people that make things work with their own two hands. Those are the people that built America. Love your videos
All this "it was US that built America!" is false and rather unfortunate.
@@reallyhappenings5597 Nobody said it was us that built America I said it’s people that work with their hands that built America.
@@Rangerdnger Not only America but the hole world. Nowdays it`s mostly bad breath and bullshitting but it`s still the two hands that build everything...
Sometimes the wisest thing is just knowing when to stop. 👍
Yup. Time is money, and making the best decision means not throwing either one down a money pit.
I agree
@Homie Gibiotch So you're not a quitter ,but I wouldn't want you in charge of my machinery.
Homie Gibiotch For me, it depends on whether I enjoy the process. Sometimes, it is nice to be able to do a project just for the sheer pleasure of the process, rather than being driven by cost effectiveness.
Pass the butter this is toast.
“I thought it was working good until i blew the head gasket” brings blowing a head gasket to a whole new level
Love how you assess these machines. You keep emotion out of it. You go right to the "make or break" areas and get the relevant info. Then you research (or already have knowledge of) parts and put it all together to make a good decision. No screwin around moving it to your shop first or "takin a gamble" on a machine for a seemingly cheap price. Just good, solid troubleshooting and assessment. Thumbs way up.
Part of being a good mechanic is knowing when additional effort and resources is a waste. Well done Wes! Thank you! I really enjoy your vids!
Looks like there's some perfectly good hose clamps you could salvage.
R.I.P the engine is well and truly dead the grease idea to move the piston was quite good thanks for sharing 👍🇦🇺🚜
My feeling exactly.
@@WatchWesWork that engine will run agane but it will need a total overhal and you will have to make new parts. you can sell it sombody mite by that engine it iwlll be a 1 to 2 year progect.
@@douglascharles6869 Nah 1 or 2 year project is not gonna be, depends on the damage, as far as i have seen inculsive all the parts i personally think this would be possible within 6 months
@@TuningDutchy is that full time? all i know it is going to be a long time to get that old lump ruining agane.
@@douglascharles6869 if something is really important to you and you really want it running, especially if this was from a family member you love so much,, you do everything to get it done!
This is some content I love watching in my spare time thanks man
It's been a long time since you published this video. I normally don't watch these "will it run after 20 years in the mud" videos.
But because of you I watched it and what I love most and what honours you and shows your heart are sentences like "I asked my father..."!
Man, lots of young people should do this more often!
Once again Wes love the video,hopefully something comes of it would love to watch more progress on loader,or another find ..
Keep posting awesome videos,I'll keep watching.
👍👍👍
That’s a good effort on that engine.
I hope someone has a engine for you.
Thank you for video
Engine was fine... until the bilge pump failed.
LOL! I thought the exhaust was covered, but it must have been open for a long long time.
replace the motor get it up and running again
@@WatchWesWork at least the engine is now rustproof from the inside ;-)
Do you own a torch? Grill/fire under the engine to heat it up to losenn it ? Did you try hot oil from a camping stove?
Curious what Evaporust in #’s 2 and 5 would have done
Good call on replacing the engine, if you can, take the end caps off the ends of the rods. You'll be able to rotate the crank to get at the converter bolts. I hope you find a good engine, a Diesel would be great.
If you're going to keep doing 'will it start' adventures like these, it's definitely time to get a bore-scope (if you don't already have one)! They're cheap, and would tell you so much.
I've used this method several times for stuck brake calipers, works well.
Stuck calipers yes .
Worthless for multiple cylinder engines .
@@johnlieske8908 I have used this method on many 2-cyl Deere engines...
Hey man I just subbed you.. watched all your other videos on this loader awhile back.. it’s nice to see you give the old machine the time of day as it looks like it’s Been lonely out in the woods for way too long. I don’t think you gave up easily at all, we aren’t there with you seeing what your seeing and it’s easy for People to watch this video and comment on what “ you should or shoulda done” your a darn good mechanic I can tell that much. Keep up the good work.
Great video! im looking forward to any more videos on this unit, thanks for sharing!
Its a wise man that knows when to just walk away.
That's an old Hough payloader made by International Harvester probably in the 1960s. The engine is a fairly easy one to find. That engine was available from the 1950s to the 1980s in various displacements from 220 to 301ci. Many IH trucks, tractors, combines and construction equipment used these engines.
Your channel is entertaining and informative. Your dry humour makes me laugh on many occassions.
As for CZcams and how they work, it's very much at their control as to when we get to see them.
Keep up the great work, and thanks for taking the time and effort to make them.
I’ve used the grease gun method years ago. It worked on my Straight Six in a 1963 Ford Truck. You are wise to walk away from this motor the cost of the known items far exceed the replacement cost of a decent used engine. I hope a subscriber has one for you. I keep watching and someday I will have exactly what you need and we can do some trading. I am in Texas but family farm is in Iowa so you could pick up any trade items be t time your passing though South Central Iowa.
Happy Trails. Glad I found your Chanel
I hope to see another engine come your way! Good try on getting it unstuck!
That's the current plan.
I’m looking forward to seeing it come along!
You can also use the hydraulic grease method to remove a bearing from a blind hole by filling the center hole with grease and then a couple of taps on a punch with a similar od to the center hole id and the bearing will come right out.
Thanks for showing this method. I had never heard of that. And thanks especially for posting the video even when it was not a win.I am subbing now.
All the good mechanics goes to haven directly. U hooked me with your way you do the job, how you explain or guess that are always supported with fact or a plan. Thumb up mate!
I hope your having a great day and I hope you get that loader fixed good luck to you 😁✌️
Hats off for trying....
Thanks for the video.
Another viewer from unstoppable Morgans channel... Thanks for helping Morgan out.. We love her and your a hero to her and us..
Love these kinds of videos, subscribed and keen to see more and binge previous videos ! Keep it up
A big red wrench with a fuse would be a thought at this point.
I wish you would keep working on it. It just keeps the rest of us coming back for the next step. I think you'll get it running.
Another great video. I like the idea of cutting the engine to get the thing rolling and putting a different power plant in. It would make for great content. Something to think on. I know time and money don't let us do exactly what we want. Keep up the good work! !
Good effort though. Never would have thought of the grease method. Thanks for sharing.
Drag it out and find another engine for it. That would make a few good videos.
@@douganderson7002 Agreed. It'd be a decent project so long as you don't expect any ROI. Once you get it running, you're going to have to start fixing all the rotten hydraulic hoses and seals, which after this long in the woods, is all of them. Probably electrical gremlins as well.
@@douganderson7002 Then maybe the buy was a mistake if there's no money to put into it.
The loader is supposed to be one of not very many factory gas engine machines, If this is the case there may only be a few left now when more got scrapped. Guys are starting to collect construction equipment and show it without a full restoration . This loader may have a value to the right guy collecting IH equipment even if they don't fix it on this channel.
As it was their grandfathers machine and owes them nothing of actual monetary value. There has got to be a motor around cheap maybe a tuber might have one to donate like happens on other channels. depending on the seal type they can be cheap I was paying $50 average a set from ebay USA for my 78 JCB TLB in Canada.
If hyd hose are regular common ends and hose size they are fairly cheap to, something like JCB 5/8 hose and 5/8 BSPP that aren't common here will kill you quick though when 2 fittings might cost $100 before adding 10ft of hose.. There are other options if a guy wants to do it, and save a part of industrial and family history.
@@super6954
Have you tried Discount Hydraulic Hose for hose assembly's? I know they carry British Standard Pipe hose ends
0:56 shoestring budget. Great word though, you and your brother show us what real people are capable to make business out of a pile of old machinery. Even if it's broken.
Keep it up!!
Btw, here's a new subscriber from Germany.
We're all "real people."
@@reallyhappenings5597 except those imposter on Instagram and also on CZcams who never would admit a failure.
@@BreakingBrick nah they're real people too
10 points for trying!
I don’t think it’s stuck I think it’s rooted.
I think you are correct to look for a less rooted engine. (In Australia Rooted is the same as Fucked)
Even if you find one with a few problems not completely rusted over.
I have noticed people love these recovery / saviour videos and will make a huge kick for your channel.
Keep going, I’ll subscribe 😀
You made the right decision, sometimes no matter how much work your willing to put into getting something going, sometimes it's just not worth it and it takes a clever man to realise this.
Thats really cool content, i love old machines
Before I looked for another engine I would drain fluids out off the trans, front and rear diffs to make sure they didnt have water in them. If they did then it wouldnt be worth buying another engine.
Me an chris could get this running
Well done. Thanks for allowing us to see your noble efforts with this old machine. Would be sappy, I guess, to say it's heartbreaking seeing your efforts not work but it would have been wonderful to get this old workhorse running again.
Such a shame to walk away but i totally understand. Great videos mate. Really enjoying watching what you do. Keep them coming.
Any IH 6 cylinder gas engine made from 1959 on will bolt right in place of that one after transferring a few parts off the loader engine. Tons of IH tractors and combines with that engine, many pulled to do diesel conversions. In fact red paint to me says that one came from a tractor or combine.
Cummins swap would be sweet, but $$$.
Yeah, this engine came from a tractor. We'll find a better one.
2:06 "Oh my, watch out! You are going to get dust and dirt inside the engine!!!" {Oh yea, right, never mind, carry on...}
Thanks for the effort, I would have loved too see this engine work again, but you are right, it is not worth it. Good luck finding a replacement engine.
Great idea. Thinking outside the box.
To get pilot bushing out of manual transmissions most people use grease and it works well.
Years ago I had a pilot bushing that was giving me a tough time and would not come out. So I thought outside the box.
I found a tap that would fit and tapped the pilot bushing and then ran a long bolt into it and wa la bushing be gone.
Good video. TFS
good luck finding another engine God willing will be here waiting on that video
Please someone give this man an engine. I want to see this loader move under its own power again.
I don't need it given to me. We will buy one. Just have to find the right candidate.
It would be nice to have a Detroit diesel 353 to put in there.
Disappointing that it failed, still worth watching. Great video!
Working on it at your shop would make a great video series. I'd sure watch the progress!
The only thing that'll free that engine up again is the old gas axe.
That's my feeling too!
With all the tractor salvage yards in your area a stop at the Case IH dealer to find out what block will replace the one in the loader and your brother will have a machine to grow his business
good reply, but you can't see a damn thing in there there is a 60 up to 80% chance that it will not be runned with the same pistons/rods
Sorry about that. Was probably going to be a money pit. Kinda like my boat, a hole in the water you throw money into.
Can't be stuck if it's a liquid. Time for a new block.
Sometimes, you have to cut your losses and do something different. In this case that motor will make a great boat anchor or manhole cover for some city. There might be something to salvage but it's a total loss.
All States AG parts has 3 engine blocks available in Black Creek, WI and one block available in Ft. Atkinson IA, I just got off the phone with them they are still available, Obviously without a complete tear down and evaluation this is just the beginning but a starting point never the less, Keep up the good work, I've always enjoyed your channel.
Wes, That was a good try! Never heard of it, but you’ve done your best at everything else. So as you said, nothing to loose.
Your “great accommodations” comment when crawling under, made me laugh! Thanks!
Holy smoke , that engine is in poor shape ! That would be a tough one to get going again. Thanks showing us the effort !
What else would you do on a Saturday afternoon, you'd rather be out getting a pedicure and shopping? 🛍️🤣
Well beating on this old machine is more fun than football and potato chips IMO!
I hate football and i don't eat potato chips so we are agreed there
HA! I'm with you both 120% on this!!! I get asked how come I'm not watching football on a Sun afternoon and I just say I'd rather put new doors on my workshop than to watch a bunch of overpaid crybabies kneel at the national anthem...
You might try a manual hydraulic pump, but fill the cylinder with oil first. You will need to make an adapter to connect.....
@@HiddenValleyHomestead Yup agreed. I'd can't stand to see grown men get so involved on every level that they do for any sports teams. To me a little thought of disgust flashes through my brain when, I think these guys could at be at home doing things that men (or women) should be doing...an example of that would be making...or fixing things, just like Wes in this video. Nope they choose to put on face paint (make up?) and go sit in extreme weather conditions, get drunk and wear foam cheese on their heads? One day we'll look back and wonder where all the "doers" have gone.
I have milked old junk for 30 years in my business. I made more money by renting a modern machine. Have it delivered on time. If it broke during use it was not my problem. I made 30% on the rental then bill $75 a hour for myself. You will have far more success. Look more professional and have time to do better things with your life. The less equipment I own the better. I only buy equipment that gets used all the time. The maintenance transport and storage are unforeseen leaks in your bank account. If you like restoring old Iron then god bless you. It's a hobby. Nothing you should ever expect to make money with. This is my experience. I totally appreciate the effort you put into this. We all teach each other. I learned something from this. Thank you.
dont ever use the statement we are the wealth people. You have been gifted to fortitude, knowledge, and kindness to share these gifts on CZcams. I'm gratefull for your videos. I suggest CZcams present you with the Meritorious Service Metal. Love to your entire family including "Pup". Mike in Lincoln, Nebraska
Yeah, the only sensible thing to do is replace the engine.
No get insurance on it and then burn it to ash.
enjoyed the video, and at least you tried to save the engine, could you do a engine swap and put a diesel in it from a old tractor? it would be cheaper than a petrol ( gas ) powered machine to run right?
Hi Wes.iv been watching you for a while and you are a good and clever mechanic...I have had some success in freeing up seized engines..one is still running 15 yrs after freeing it up...the previous owner tried towing it and no luck...I pulled the plugs and flooded the cylinders with KROIL..the stuff really works..after letting it sit a day or two I put a large breaker bar on it and a little at a time got it to turn over.
We're gonna get the head off here soon.
Good call, you aint a miracle worker, neither is anyone else
I've used the grease gun gambit on a brake master cylinder.
292 chevy would be a good replacement my brothers massey ferguson 310 combine uses that motor
Glad to see you haven't given up quite yet on the ole loader
I've used a floor jack and a piece of 4x4 up against one of the counter weights on the crank to free up a stuck motor
Pull the head
Make a plate to go from bolt holes and use a hydraulic jack on each cylinder
Nothing to loose at this point
Or melt the pistons with a torch. Cant seize what isnt their lol
I have a few ideas that you may want to try. while i am not a engine mechanic, I usually can get them started when im working with my grandparent who was. I have also done some chemistry and a lot of physics so I have some knowledge on what I am talking about. Sorry that my post is long but you may be able to make use of what im suggesting if in some sort of way if any of my ideas are remotely good. I have five ideas written down. also if anyone has a comment on my ideas, please do tell or correct me.
My first idea is to find something that can dissolve the sludge on all the parts of the engine in the inside, or at least slightly clean it, then clean out the oil pan. Once done the major part of my idea is to fill the whole engine top to bottom with WD40, coca cola (or something else that dissolves rust) as it can sometimes break down rust and gunk.
My Second idea is to get more grease guns and hook them all up to the pistons on the down stroke and pressurize them equally adding a bit more to each one by one, this would give more equal torque to the crank shaft and to the pistons all together. you said the front was moving a bit so if you had more pressure on all of them equally then you may be able to make it move again.
My third idea is that if you have some welding tools you may be able to make a set of bars connected together that can be lined up with the pistons that are on the down stroke. Then have the the bars line up to a single point that can be struck with a mallet or hammer and try to force the pistons that were on the down stroke down manually, it may work but would need the piston heads exposed.
My fourth idea is somewhat dangerous, its putting the engine back together again and putting some fuel into the pistons that were on the down stroke and manually firing the spark plugs all at once for the pistons on down stoke.
My fifth idea and the one you would least likely want to do is dissemble the engine manually and clean the parts, then put it back together. My cousin has a three wheeler that had become seized and he disassembled it and put it back together to fix it. Understandably this is probably one you cant do but it may be the only other way I can think of fixing it besides getting a new engine.
I may ask my grandparent if he has an idea as used to maintain and repair tanks in the wars, he worked on the engines that had square cylinders so maybe he might have a trick or to.
Thank you for reading my long comment
Builder
Firing the plugs with regular fuel wouldn't work, pre loading the cylinder with oxy aceteline would work. With a bit of luck the explosion might get some decent pressure in the cylinder with the blown gasket before the gasket can leak to much.
As Kenny Rogers sang, "know when to walk away and know when to run. " Good decision Wes, no need in flogging a dead horse.
Cheers.
I appreciate the humility, rare quality. The way I see it, if it is worth fixing why not.
Hit with a torch also warm her up good all over with the marvel mystery oil in the cylinders
Yep! Tap out on this one.
When I was a kid ,in the 60's-70's, we'd find equipment out in the countryside quite often. Always wondered what people were thinking by leaving equipment out in the country like that. But they were fun to play on! Lots of strip mines and of coarse farming around here.
Good call !! Mechanically impossible to get a piston to slide across so much scale. I hate defeat too. But father time sealed this deal.
I have a running 1995 ford 300 if you could make it fit you could have it
Next video: We're fixing this old machine. 👍😉
Mortske sent me over… great channel keep up the great old machine repair
Making an engine run that can't run with minimal cost and max labor is very interesting to watch someone else do. Just a friend Ron who would like to see it torn down by a master can do mechanic! Don't get hurt or leave important work undone.
You can get a used engine for a lot less than a used loader.
May as well throw some rust remover in the engine and see what happens!
Wes, Fuggetaboutit, there are a ton of basket-cases to be found and as far as a grease gun rescue, it is kind of dubious but you fell for it, hook line and sinker.An engineer came to my friends junkyard with a shipping container, he told us if it doesn't turn over, it's staying, took him three weeks to load it full. You need a manicure now!
Thanks for a good video. I had planned to use that method with a Chevy straight 6 I have. Now, I will use air pressure on a heavy oil flooded cylinder. Hopefully, I can keep the pressure within the limits of the head gasket, and not blow all the air and oil past the rings.
Should've used Kroil. Penetrates one millionth of an inch.
In my work i use a electrobath to derust car parts, So when I had a 1958 Mercedes engine here with six rusted in pistons, I stuck it in the bath and forgot about it for two weeks. The pistons came loose and only took a bit of pressure to shove them out.
Cold war motors,on their channel got a pair of old straight eight engines unseized by removing the heads, bolting on a flat plate to the worst cylinder and then pumping the cylinder with a portopower. Worked a treat. So a mate tried it with a set of 1909 Cadillac pistons and it worked for him too. Heres a vid showing how the electrobath worked on my other channel .czcams.com/video/rBtn19BPqDM/video.html
Mercmad problem is the rest of the engine including the crank bearings is full of rust and ruined
Thanks for the reply, I should have already know that, You're a quick study and have some decent skill sets already. Keep up the good work now I'm back to my corner :)
Oh, It'll run. It wont run good but it'll run...
I’ve Never tried that before with Grease.. hmmmmmmmm I’ve Un’froze many engines and what I do/did was to remove all spark plugs or injectors on a diesel then use a Hot Plate to heat new engine oil up to the point it’s starting to boil!! Then pour it down each cylinder while it’s extremely hot. Let sit for 15mins then start to bar the engine over.. it will move very little and that’s all you need!!! Back and forth back and forth.
That engine wasn't even worth the grease put into it. Good experiment though.
No. $12 in grease I'll never get back...
When you said “World class accommodations” that made me like this video. Hope the room came with an en-suite.
Hi new follower from the UK like your videos , hope the new workshop when setup brings in more work for you especially next to your New home will be beneficial.
Thank you!
marvel mystery oil does pretty good on seized engines
Feel like that machine might be worth repowering with a more modern straight 6
a chevy 292 would be good common engine on farm machinery and old trucks
So is another IH straight 6. Probably could get a good one cheap too. They used those engines in trucks, combines, and tractors. Pull the junk one out, bolt in a runner, and you’re off to the races.
the ford 300 six made good power and are very reliable
Cummins
Pierce made a nice 24 valve T head 6 . 14 liters of torque . I was fingerfucking one Saturday before last , and I CANNOT wait to bust that big old brass carb apart .
No , wont fit , lol .
I got here from a video of a old Russian ISU-152 tank that fired up after sitting in a field for more than 60 years! It was pretty amazing seeing that it could move after so long.
Yeah those Russian tank videos are awesome. I love the ones where they pull them up out of the swamps.
Wes, could you do another video of trying to get this engine to turn over, but this time instead of trying to use hydraulic pressure to do it, maybe try removing two or three of the spark plugs and packing black powder in the cylinders then put the plugs back in and hook up an MSD coil to them and send a little spark into those cylinders, that would make for an interesting video. Love your videos, keep up the good work. TP
I’m betting this was not that guys idea and saw it being done on Cold War motors channel 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Martin Taylor that’s weird seeing as how he says it in the video that it wasn’t his idea. 🤷🏼♂️
He does indeed say that he got the idea elsewhere. And who knows, maybe he did get it from Cold War Motors? They took the whole head off though, and machined a special plate to go over the cylinder.
I’ve poured Coke down the cylinders and walked away. I came back a week later and engine turned over.
the rust and scale is below the piston, the coke can't get there
P MAE could try and fill the oil pan all the way up to the dipstick fill with coke
Garret R Now that’s a great idea, and I’m not being sarcastic. The motor on the inside would look brand new after it sits for a few.
@@garretr4488 White vinegar is cheaper. Ascetic acid I think. perhaps a touch of acetone, and a bit of auto trans fluid apparently. Agree. Fill it up !
Ive used P.B. penetrating oil before worked great for my situation
Giving up on that motor is a good decision, she's had it. Even if you could free the pistons (doubtful) that crank looks rusted solid to the rods and the bearing journals. It might make an interesting video tearing it down once it's out of the loader, just for the entertainment value, but that would be all it's good for.
Your vids are great, love your work.
When grease can't get through mix automatic transmission fluid with your grease. We used this method in the Navy on our submarines with items subjected to sea water.
put a diesel engine in