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  • @RibusPQR
    @RibusPQR Před 2 lety +1592

    You need a full jury to conclude a number is a prime, whereas even just one dissenter will show the number is composite. This implies that primes are guilty and composites are innocent. This makes sense, because we usually assume numbers are composite until proven prime.

    • @451Duke
      @451Duke Před 2 lety +73

      Elegant.

    • @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
      @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 Před 2 lety +180

      But the star witnesses you have to call in are the most notorious primes. It takes a hardened criminal to rat out their fellow criminals.

    • @ivarangquist9184
      @ivarangquist9184 Před 2 lety +32

      You forgot to mention how ugly prime numbers are. We all know that 13 and 17 cannot even compare with the beauty and structure such as 36 and 100. The worst are those large primes like 101 or 83. WHY CAN'T THEY GROW UP LIKE EVERYONE ELSE? THEY LACK SOPHISTICATION AND ARE A SHAME TO THIS WORLD. AND DON'T CLAIM IT'S BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY ARE TREATED. IT'S THE NATURE OF THEIR EXISTENCE THAT IS THE PROBLEM. WHY ARE THEY CALLED PRIME WHEN THEY ARE USELESS, SINFUL REINCARNATIONS OF THE DEVIL HIMSELF.

    • @nicholasleclerc1583
      @nicholasleclerc1583 Před 2 lety +53

      @@ivarangquist9184
      I see that the spirit of Pythagoras lives well & strong inside you, my child

    • @xCorvus7x
      @xCorvus7x Před 2 lety +27

      @@ivarangquist9184 True mathematical beauty lies in the primes.
      Any composite order you cherish seems boring and daft in comparison to the primes' unruly yet reliable nature.

  • @TheJVBlackbelt
    @TheJVBlackbelt Před 2 lety +1223

    "Well I happen to know, below 91 there are 90 numbers"
    The things I learn from Numberphile are priceless.

    • @raphaelschmitz-dumont4426
      @raphaelschmitz-dumont4426 Před 2 lety +51

      *negative numbers and zero*: "Are we a joke to you?"

    • @OrangeC7
      @OrangeC7 Před 2 lety +36

      @@raphaelschmitz-dumont4426 The rationals: "Are we a joke to you?"

    • @timallgood4108
      @timallgood4108 Před 2 lety +35

      @@OrangeC7 The irrationals: "Are we a joke to you?"

    • @Ludwig-MariaAKern-yz2vs
      @Ludwig-MariaAKern-yz2vs Před 2 lety +29

      @@timallgood4108 the complex:" hey look over there!"

    • @theantimatter
      @theantimatter Před 2 lety +27

      @@Ludwig-MariaAKern-yz2vs unfortunately, the complex are neither below nor over 90, afaik.

  • @mlcastle
    @mlcastle Před 2 lety +2325

    I first learned about this when I took a class taught by Prof. Rabin, who called it the "randomized primality test" because he was too humble to tell us it was named after him, which made it a bit hard to find references to what he was talking about in our textbook or online

    • @aleksapetrovic7088
      @aleksapetrovic7088 Před 2 lety +90

      Thats cool

    • @truebark3329
      @truebark3329 Před 2 lety +97

      That is COOOOOOOOOLLLL

    • @JLo_24
      @JLo_24 Před 2 lety +64

      Taught by the one who made it XD

    • @will1603
      @will1603 Před 2 lety +23

      I love how in america you can just choose to take a class. One of the few things from America id like in theuk

    • @mlcastle
      @mlcastle Před 2 lety +55

      @@will1603 i mean it was a class taught in my school's CS department while i was working towards a CS degree there. maybe math students or something would've also been welcome (i don't remember, it was a long time ago), but it wasn't like totally something completely, um, randomized

  • @dro56789
    @dro56789 Před 2 lety +903

    "Witness, is this number prime?"
    "Yes!"
    "Objection, your honour. We have evidence that this witness is a strong liar."
    "Sustained."

  • @NardiPaffon
    @NardiPaffon Před 2 lety +176

    55,648 is the 50,000th composite number.
    I ran the script for each number between 2 to 55,648. Runtime: ~27 minutes on my machine.
    The numbers which turned up to be false-witnesses the most times were:
    (The number, how many times found lying)
    (2401, 183)
    (625, 182)
    (6561, 173)
    (529, 166)
    (81, 164)
    (729, 152)
    (4096, 149)
    (4225, 126)
    (3481, 125)
    (256, 123)
    Nice to see that these biggest liars are all (almost) powers of primes:
    2401 =7 ^ 4
    625 =5 ^ 4
    6561 =3 ^ 8
    529 =23 ^ 2
    81 =3 ^ 4
    729 =3 ^ 6
    4096 =2 ^ 12
    4225 =65 ^ 2

    • @ytkerfuffles6429
      @ytkerfuffles6429 Před rokem +12

      thats so cool. i wonder why that is.

    • @talastra
      @talastra Před 7 měsíci +15

      They are all perfect squares: 49^2, 25^2, 81^2, 23^2, 9^2, 27^2, 64^2, 65^2, 59^2, 16^2 ... also, taking powers of 4 rather than perfect squares, there is 3,4,5,7,8,9 (6 is missing; did 1296 not quite make the cut)? Meanwhile, 23, 59 and 65 seem quite random relative to the others. If I was to try to screw around with it, I would notice that 65 is 23*3-1, I would note that 59 = 23 + 36, and 65 = 23 + 42. I'm not sure this would get me anywhere :)

    • @ensiehsafary7633
      @ensiehsafary7633 Před 5 měsíci +2

      How you did the test with an even number

    • @therealelement75
      @therealelement75 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@talastra welp guess I'm not trusting squares then

    • @talastra
      @talastra Před 2 měsíci

      Yeah, don't trust anyone over 30@@therealelement75

  • @malice1105
    @malice1105 Před 2 lety +1194

    There is a lot of character in this video, well done to both of you.

  • @Honey-lx1ly
    @Honey-lx1ly Před 2 lety +955

    Previous statements I made were incorrect, due to hasty coding. I am very confident in the following results:
    For 2 < n < 100, n is odd, the top 5 naughtiest numbers are the following:
    38, with 4 offences
    8, with 3 offences
    18, with 3 offences
    34, with 3 offences
    47, with 3 offences
    For 2 < n < 1000, n is odd, the top 5 naughtiest numbers are the following:
    64, with 16 offences
    68, with 15 offences
    118, with 14 offences
    307, with 14 offences
    274, with 13 offences
    For 2 < n < 10000, n is odd, the top 5 naughtiest numbers are the following:
    512, with 68 offences
    64, with 66 offences
    256, with 59 offences
    1451, with 58 offences
    254, with 57 offences
    There seems some justification that powers of two are particularly naughty.

    • @camicus-3249
      @camicus-3249 Před 2 lety +129

      Can't wait for the next video on N*ughty Numbers

    • @MySharpify
      @MySharpify Před 2 lety +47

      I wonder if it's because they're a power of 2. Who was second and third for each test respectively?

    • @annyone3293
      @annyone3293 Před 2 lety +18

      81 seems naughty for all natural up to thousands.

    • @steven_porter
      @steven_porter Před 2 lety +8

      I think it's interesting that these are powers of two. Thanks for this!

    • @unvergebeneid
      @unvergebeneid Před 2 lety +4

      I wonder if this is an actual patten and if that's been proven already... 🤔

  • @flan1591
    @flan1591 Před 2 lety +895

    13:03 Matt's about 3 orders of magnitude off; it's 1 trillion and 122 billion. That's a real Parker Quadrillion if I've ever seen one

    • @TabooGroundhog
      @TabooGroundhog Před 2 lety +87

      Gotta have at least one per video

    • @Ojisan642
      @Ojisan642 Před 2 lety +51

      The billion is sus.

    • @blumousey
      @blumousey Před 2 lety +16

      I'm pretty sure he puts them in intentionally, like his book

    • @markinnes4264
      @markinnes4264 Před 2 lety +29

      Could be the British Vs American definition.

    • @GeeItSomeLaldy
      @GeeItSomeLaldy Před 2 lety +24

      @@markinnes4264 No-one uses the Long-count any more in mathematics

  • @tomrivlin7278
    @tomrivlin7278 Před 2 lety +250

    I love how the numbers changed from witnesses to detectives to cops to juries as the video progressed XD

    • @hughcaldwell1034
      @hughcaldwell1034 Před 2 lety +18

      Yeah, the story did seem somewhat judicially confused...

    • @efulmer8675
      @efulmer8675 Před 2 lety +11

      That's OK though, it makes for really interesting worldbuilding.

    • @42ArthurDent42
      @42ArthurDent42 Před 2 lety +17

      Spoiler alert : one of them is the killer.....

    • @dinklebob1
      @dinklebob1 Před 2 lety +8

      Detectives and cops can be witnesses, no? The only real jump was to jury.

    • @programmingpi314
      @programmingpi314 Před 2 lety +7

      Matt liked the numbers so much, that he kept promoting them.

  • @jmv333
    @jmv333 Před 2 lety +215

    11:53 "Over 8 times as far" must of course be referring to a 'Parker 8', which we can therefore infer is some value less than 6.6103.
    We learn so much from Matt!

    • @Karolomen
      @Karolomen Před 2 lety +17

      At one point (7:02) he also said that 18 is just below a quarter of 90 - and I was like "WTF, 90/18=5, Matt surely knows that", but, just like with what you wrote, in this case it must have been a Parker quarter.
      Okay, hold up. I've just watched it again to find the timestamp and he said "quarter" because 25% is the worst-case scenario for the ratio of liars.

    • @benjaminshepard
      @benjaminshepard Před 2 lety +21

      Similar to the 'Parker Quadrillion' at 12:49 eh?

    • @Triantalex
      @Triantalex Před 5 měsíci

      false.

  • @pyglik2296
    @pyglik2296 Před 2 lety +691

    I love these little anthropomorphisations of numbers and the stories of their relations :)

    • @PronatorTendon
      @PronatorTendon Před 2 lety +11

      I prefer onomatopoeic anthropomorphisations

    • @toxicara
      @toxicara Před 2 lety +13

      Ooh I'd love it if they got together with ViHart and did a story series of different number types. The only question left is what should they call it?

    • @DergPH
      @DergPH Před 2 lety +1

      Hmmm

    • @limbridk
      @limbridk Před 2 lety +5

      I'm ALWAYS team anthro! In fact, I dislike strongly when anybody tries to stop me from anthroing for a bit of spice.

    • @HypnosisBear
      @HypnosisBear Před 2 lety +1

      Love your pfp

  • @joaquinclavijo7052
    @joaquinclavijo7052 Před 2 lety +261

    * ponts at 747 *
    "we're assuming this is odd"

    • @falquicao8331
      @falquicao8331 Před 2 lety +61

      One of the boldest assumptions a mathematician has ever said

    • @thatguyalex2835
      @thatguyalex2835 Před 2 lety +11

      The 747 airplane is kinda odd. It has a hump like a giant metal sky whale. It is my favorite mainstream aircraft though. :)

    • @SwervingLemon
      @SwervingLemon Před 2 lety +1

      @@thatguyalex2835 The hump is why I love the old Antonov's.

    • @d5uncr
      @d5uncr Před 2 lety

      It's a Parker conjecture.

    • @thatguyalex2835
      @thatguyalex2835 Před 2 lety

      @@SwervingLemon I like both models of planes. Are you talking about the AN-225?

  • @henrygreen2096
    @henrygreen2096 Před 2 lety +29

    Absolutely admire the strength of Parker to not make a “Prime Suspect” joke in the whole video haha

  • @KSignalEingang
    @KSignalEingang Před 2 lety +124

    It's like they say: Don't do the crime if you can't prove you're prime.

  • @Einyen
    @Einyen Před 2 lety +297

    The results are symmetrical, so the witness "a" always gives the same results as witness (n-a), so the 18 liars for 91 are actually:
    1,9,10,12,16,17,22,29,38,(91-38),(91-29),(91-22),(91-17),(91-16),(91-12),(91-10),(91-9),(91-1)
    You can also use witnesses a>n without problems, but the result for a, a+n, a+2n, a+3n ... etc. will be the same.

    • @adamqazsedc
      @adamqazsedc Před 2 lety +7

      Coolio

    • @hippasusofmetapontum6447
      @hippasusofmetapontum6447 Před 2 lety +19

      Cool, so if I wanted to figure out all liars for any given number I'd only have to check halfway.

    • @Falanwe
      @Falanwe Před 2 lety +22

      You should never call 1 and n-1 as witnesses: they will always tell you n is prime.

    • @Einyen
      @Einyen Před 2 lety +7

      ​@@Falanwe Yeah I know, I forgot to mention that. I just added them in the list because they were shown in the video for the 91 case. You should also never use n, 2n, 3n, ... etc as witness, they will always show composite even for primes. So basically (2 to n-2), (n+2 to 2n-2), (2n+2 to 3n-2), ... etc. are ok, but the results for each range are identical, but it is useful to use a>n if you have a huge a that works for a lot of n.
      For example the 2 witnesses a=336781006125 or a=9639812373923155 will work for n

    • @Galakyllz
      @Galakyllz Před 2 lety +1

      @@Einyen Thanks for the information. You rock.

  • @pierredefermat2559
    @pierredefermat2559 Před 2 lety +87

    I was waiting for this for about 500years!

  • @javik9165
    @javik9165 Před 2 lety +159

    Makes sense that the primes are the most apt witnesses for telling if another number is prime or not.

    • @dms1683
      @dms1683 Před 2 lety +38

      It takes one to know one

    • @dinklebob1
      @dinklebob1 Před 2 lety +6

      They see each other at the various prime meetings and functions.

    • @Triantalex
      @Triantalex Před 5 měsíci

      ??

  • @tejarex
    @tejarex Před 2 lety +107

    Python's pow function takes an optional mod argument, making this test easy to program. For instance, pow(23, 373, 747) = 131.

    • @eac-ox2ly
      @eac-ox2ly Před 2 lety +6

      Huh, did not know that!

    • @trueriver1950
      @trueriver1950 Před 2 lety +9

      How sensible for anyone programming any cryptographic stuff.

    • @ThePharphis
      @ThePharphis Před 2 lety +1

      I think I'm going to have to start solving my project euler problems in python due to this lol

    • @1992jamo
      @1992jamo Před 2 lety +1

      If anyone is interested, this is how you'd implement it in c#
      public static int Pow2(int x, int y, int z)
      {
      int number = 1;
      for(int i = 0; i < y; i++)
      {
      number = number * x % z;
      }
      return number;
      }

    • @shoo7130
      @shoo7130 Před rokem +2

      @@1992jamo Try:
      while (y > 0) {
      if (y & 1) number = number * x % z;
      x = x * x % z;
      y >>= 1;
      }
      instead.

  • @LeventK
    @LeventK Před 2 lety +237

    When I heard "In the future, entertainment will be randomly generated." I didn't think numbers would be this entertaining.

    • @TunaBear64
      @TunaBear64 Před 2 lety +12

      Numbers can lie- I mean
      WEED EATER

    • @amyshaw893
      @amyshaw893 Před 2 lety +5

      i mean, is entertainment not randomly generated anyway?

    • @abiwardani3944
      @abiwardani3944 Před 2 lety +3

      Wait youre the chess guy

    • @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
      @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 Před 2 lety +2

      The funny thing is, that meme became popular when a CZcams video of the clip went viral. That clip was uploaded by the user Tibees, who ended up becoming a math CZcamsr. It's full circle.

    • @DergPH
      @DergPH Před 2 lety

      Same

  • @mathphysicsnerd
    @mathphysicsnerd Před 2 lety +67

    18/90 is the new Parker approximation for 1/4

    • @volodymyrgandzhuk361
      @volodymyrgandzhuk361 Před 2 lety +3

      He said AT MOST 1/4 of the numbers are liars

    • @mathphysicsnerd
      @mathphysicsnerd Před 2 lety +2

      @@volodymyrgandzhuk361 Ah, lay off. Ever since the Parker Square plenty of almost correct things have been labelled as Parker solutions and Matt's in on the joke. He is a stand-up comic you know

    • @johannesvanderhorst9778
      @johannesvanderhorst9778 Před 2 lety +1

      @@volodymyrgandzhuk361 So let's hope for him that there are no composite numbers n = p*q*r where each of the prime number q, and r divide (n-1)/2.

  • @protocol6
    @protocol6 Před 2 lety +113

    This reminds me of bloom filters and their cousins, the xor and fuse filters. They are constructed from a set of numbers (hashes, usuallly) but they use far fewer bits than the set and can tell you if a number isn't in the set faster than you could search the set. You can control how often they lie about it being in the set by the size of the filter in relation to the size of the set. Since these filters are just big integers, there should be naturally occurring filters for every possible set somewhere in the natural numbers.

    • @soranuareane
      @soranuareane Před 2 lety +1

      Sounds very Miller-Rabin-y.

    • @protocol6
      @protocol6 Před 2 lety +4

      @@luxuryenby Maybe, but if you think about it too much, you will be relieved when an infinite troupe of monkeys shows up at your door wanting to talk to you about the script for Hamlet they've worked out.

    • @Triantalex
      @Triantalex Před 5 měsíci +1

      ??

  • @jamirimaj6880
    @jamirimaj6880 Před 2 lety +66

    Matt Parker and James Grime, really the two stars you need on the 10th anniversary of Numberphile

    • @BravoCharleses
      @BravoCharleses Před 2 lety +12

      Don't forget Cliff Stoll!

    • @UnderwurldChris
      @UnderwurldChris Před 2 lety +10

      And Hannah Fry!

    • @5ucur
      @5ucur Před 11 měsíci +2

      Neil (what was his surname again... the OEIS founder) and Ben Sparks are also people I like to see in these videos!

  • @johnchessant3012
    @johnchessant3012 Před 2 lety +32

    This is basically a generalization of the Fermat primality test, where you just test if a^(n-1) = 1 (mod n); if it isn't, then it's definitely composite, but if it is, then it's only probably prime. Except, for the Fermat test, there are "Carmichael numbers" for which every witness is a liar; the first three are 561, 1105, and 1729. So the real innovation of the Miller-Rabin test is being able to prove that at most 25% of its witnesses are liars, enabling an effective probabilistic test.

    • @magsaysay84
      @magsaysay84 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Fun that Ramanujan's Number is in there

  • @MrCheeze
    @MrCheeze Před 2 lety +82

    I'm a little bit curious whether 1662803 has any particular properties that makes it more likely to be honest, or if it's just a pure numerical coincidence that it happens to cover up the holes of the other three numbers over that range.

    • @RecursiveTriforce
      @RecursiveTriforce Před 2 lety +48

      Well 1662803 is prime and 1662804 is very composite.

    • @Salan156
      @Salan156 Před 2 lety +2

      Why am I not suprised that you'd be thinking about something like that :D But it's definetly interesting

    • @DukeBG
      @DukeBG Před 2 lety +16

      Pretty sure "happens to cover up the holes of the other three numbers over that range"

    • @jamesknapp64
      @jamesknapp64 Před 2 lety +3

      @@DukeBG my guess as well

    • @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
      @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 Před 2 lety +6

      They were just raised not to be a liar.

  • @JonathonV
    @JonathonV Před 2 lety +55

    Liar numbers should be called “perjurious numbers”! 😂

    • @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
      @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 Před 2 lety +2

      Because, if there's one things mathematicians like, it's giving catchy names to numbers.

  • @phlogchamp
    @phlogchamp Před 2 lety +19

    13:03 that’s a blunder if I’ve ever seen one, classic Matt Parker move.

  • @montrealleciester7277
    @montrealleciester7277 Před 2 lety +7

    "747 has been charged with homicide and vehicular manslaughter and will be serving 747 years in prison"

  • @choco_jack7016
    @choco_jack7016 Před 2 lety +24

    never call 1 to the stand, it always gives 1

  • @rjginsburg
    @rjginsburg Před 2 lety +5

    “I happen to know that below 91 there are 90 numbers”. Excellent

    • @KingLarbear
      @KingLarbear Před 2 lety +1

      This comment is definitely perfect

  • @amyshaw893
    @amyshaw893 Před 2 lety +27

    matt, that calculator has a FACT button on it. ttype the number, hit equals, then shift+(the degrees button) and it prints out the prime decomposition of the number

    • @thatguyalex2835
      @thatguyalex2835 Před 2 lety +2

      I programmed my TI-84 CE to factor any number under 2.52 million in November 2020. :) Why that number? Cos the device runs out of memory beyond 2.5 million. I even came up with an estimated calculation time (3 minutes for factoring the largest numbers).
      Have you ever programmed your calculator Matthew in TI Basic?

    • @U014B
      @U014B Před 2 lety +2

      @@thatguyalex2835 So you're saying it can do FACTs and Logic?

    • @ZedaZ80
      @ZedaZ80 Před 2 lety +1

      @@thatguyalex2835 friend, that's a Casio

    • @thatguyalex2835
      @thatguyalex2835 Před 2 lety

      @@U014B Nope. :) It can't. It is not a Casio.

    • @thatguyalex2835
      @thatguyalex2835 Před 2 lety

      @@ZedaZ80 Yes, the calculator in the video was a Casio. I used to own a Casio a long time ago, but sadly most textbooks here in the US require Texas Instruments. :( At least I can program it.

  • @philipb4647
    @philipb4647 Před 2 lety +2

    "Minimizing the mistakes, not eradicating but cutting back" (1:50) is henceforth known as the Parker Method. The Parker Method gave us the Parker Square.

  • @Quasarbooster
    @Quasarbooster Před 2 lety +68

    If the set of witnesses are the first n primes, what is the largest number that can be conclusively confirmed or rejected as prime, as a function of n? The examples Matt showed makes me think it might be exponential or double exponential.

    • @apuji7555
      @apuji7555 Před 2 lety +3

      that sounds pretty interesting

  • @OzoneTheLynx
    @OzoneTheLynx Před 2 lety +7

    Wow. I'm studying computer science. I just found this exact thing in a footnote of one of my scripts (discrete mathematics). We were looking at groups, modular arithmetic and primes to understand RSA public-key encryption
    . This is just checking weather 1 is the greatest common divisor of a and n. If you check all possible dividers you will know wether it's prime. Well that and some awesome aspects of mathematics that keep computation feasible. We used it because a gcd of 1 is necessary for it to have an inverse in the groups we were using, breaking group axioms, so we'd either have to exclude them or just use a prime which had non of them (except for 0 which is equal to n). Damn this feels amazing understanding the math behind this.

  • @juandiaz3651
    @juandiaz3651 Před 2 lety +7

    Professor: The test isn’t even that hard
    The test:
    Question 1: Guess the next number in the following sequence:
    2, 13, 23, …?

    • @richjhart
      @richjhart Před 2 lety +1

      687. That's my guess. Therefore I've done what you asked. Full marks, please!

  • @bourbonbournvita
    @bourbonbournvita Před 2 lety +35

    This is great, I had learnt Miller Rabin test in my Cryptography class, but not so clearly with these Witness numbers.

  • @countduckula9977
    @countduckula9977 Před 2 lety +7

    I love the 12 Angry Men reference.

  • @copperfield42
    @copperfield42 Před 2 lety +7

    so I did the math and from all the odd numbers from 7 to 25326001 I found that:
    2 give false testimony to 255 numbers
    3 give false testimony to 314 numbers
    5 give false testimony to 280 numbers

  • @Verlisify
    @Verlisify Před 2 lety +172

    Ooh. Actually throwing in the "Dun Dun"
    I feel like some aggressive content ID would try to claim the whole video over those .5 seconds

    • @DrGuppy-hg7xu
      @DrGuppy-hg7xu Před 2 lety +1

      Hi Verlis didn’t expect to see you here lol

    • @michaelavanessian8558
      @michaelavanessian8558 Před 2 lety +1

      I know this is unrelated to your comment but can I say how cool your profile picture looks?
      It looks really nice.

    • @Qermaq
      @Qermaq Před 2 lety

      I think it's insufficient for a legal claim.

    • @executeorder6613
      @executeorder6613 Před 2 lety +3

      @@Qermaq
      The bots aren’t smart enough to know that

    • @Qermaq
      @Qermaq Před 2 lety

      @@executeorder6613 Yeah but the bots aren't asked to match stuff like this.

  • @heisenberg_fisher2890
    @heisenberg_fisher2890 Před 2 lety +3

    One of the best numberphile videos I have seen!! Well done to both of you.

  • @holgerchristiansen4003
    @holgerchristiansen4003 Před 2 lety +18

    With the way you explained the algorithm, the strongest liars would be 1 and (n-1). They lie for ALL non-primes. Which is exactly why the correct algorithm excludes them from the list of possible candidates

    • @Anonymous-df8it
      @Anonymous-df8it Před 2 lety

      Proof?

    • @holgerchristiansen4003
      @holgerchristiansen4003 Před 2 lety +2

      @@Anonymous-df8it Well, 1 will always stay 1, no matter to which power you raise it. And (n-1) mod n is the same as -1, so it will be either 1 or -1 (mod n) when you raise it to any positive power. Those are exactly the "probably prime" results the algorithm is looking for, so using those will result in a false positive every time.

    • @Anonymous-df8it
      @Anonymous-df8it Před 2 lety

      @@holgerchristiansen4003 What would be the next strongest liars?

    • @holgerchristiansen4003
      @holgerchristiansen4003 Před 2 lety

      @@Anonymous-df8it I have not tried to find that out yet, but some others in the comments have listed their results. Though the last time I checked only up to 100.000. You probably need a lot of calculations to go higher since you have to check n-3 numbers every time. So the algorithms time increases quadratically...

    • @Anonymous-df8it
      @Anonymous-df8it Před 2 lety

      @@holgerchristiansen4003 Why quadratically? Wouldn't that make it run exponentially with the number of digits?

  • @ace_falken5362
    @ace_falken5362 Před 2 lety +16

    Off the top of my head, I wouldn't be surprised to see the strongest liar change as you test higher and higher numbers. For example: testing liars for all numbers up to 1001, you can't have 1001 having witnessed yet. But it could, by the time you've tested up to a million, be the strongest liar.

    • @johannesvanderhorst9778
      @johannesvanderhorst9778 Před 2 lety

      Well, 1 is the strongest liar of all, because 1^a = 1 (mod n) for any numbers a and n.

  • @TheXtrafresh
    @TheXtrafresh Před 2 lety +3

    16:45 Matt being super happy about 747 appearing, looking up at the camera all enthusiastic, and then realizing nobody in the room shares his level of number geekhood. This is me about 5 times every day. 🤣

  • @soranuareane
    @soranuareane Před 2 lety +1

    THANK YOU for finally covering Miller Rabin! I've always been fascinated with this particular primality test due to how incredibly simple it seems.

  • @infinityinf1
    @infinityinf1 Před 2 lety +19

    A Numberphile Classic!

  • @JavierSalcedoC
    @JavierSalcedoC Před 2 lety +23

    You know what does this video and the fed balance sheet have in common?
    Billions are missing

  • @foodflare9870
    @foodflare9870 Před 2 lety +19

    Having not looked into the numbers most prone to lying, my first instinct would be that it'd likely be related to the highly composite numbers.

  • @PunmasterSTP
    @PunmasterSTP Před 5 měsíci +1

    I gotta agree; it’s pretty cool to be able to infer primality or compositness without actually doing any division!

  • @KpxUrz5745
    @KpxUrz5745 Před 2 lety +1

    May I just interject a comment, please? I just adore Numberphile Matt and this channel. It is always fascinating beyond words, and exceptionally educational. Bravo, Numberphile! Superb content!

  • @hebl47
    @hebl47 Před 2 lety +4

    You two really had a lot of fun in this episode. Well done!

  • @ringoferrer2343
    @ringoferrer2343 Před 2 lety +3

    advanced congrats 4mil subs numberfile!

  • @SKyrim190
    @SKyrim190 Před 2 lety +2

    Amazing video! Informative and thoroughly entertaining as well

  • @EnigmacTheFirst
    @EnigmacTheFirst Před 9 měsíci +1

    13:34 “Just go through every single number.” Easier said than done.

  • @Bodyknock
    @Bodyknock Před 2 lety +76

    Interestingly I can’t seem to find anything breaking down what the “strongest liars” are. My intuitive guess is the smaller the number the better the chance it lies so 2 might be the strongest, but I’m curious to see an answer to that question Matt had at the end.

    • @jamesharmon4994
      @jamesharmon4994 Před 2 lety +2

      That makes sense.. it would seem 2 would lie half the time. This is just my guess, though.

    • @hirokiendo7380
      @hirokiendo7380 Před 2 lety +6

      2 is the best witness yet the strongest liar lol

    • @keithbromley6070
      @keithbromley6070 Před 2 lety +8

      Surely not 2? It was part of all the star witness groups! Perhaps the lowest non-prime? Dastardly number 4.

    • @AdamHill42
      @AdamHill42 Před 2 lety +15

      @@keithbromley6070 star witnesses are only reliable if you query the whole group - it could be that 2 only covers 3's weaknesses but lies all the other times. Just a possibility, no idea if it's true but saying you can be a star witness and a frequent liar!

    • @keithbromley6070
      @keithbromley6070 Před 2 lety +2

      @@AdamHill42 I guess I don’t understand it enough to be sure either way!

  • @heaslyben
    @heaslyben Před 2 lety +3

    I loved "primey". People assume that it's a strict primality test, but actually from a non-subjective viewpoint it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly primey-wimey stuff.

  • @matrefeytontias
    @matrefeytontias Před rokem +1

    13:06 the number jumps from trillions to millions, I want justice for my boys the billions digit

  • @ishmiel21
    @ishmiel21 Před 2 lety +1

    This video made me so happy. It is so much fun

  • @donaldmiller1782
    @donaldmiller1782 Před 2 lety +9

    The witness is providing an alibi for the number m. If m has an alibi (i.e., mod =1), he's not the thief (not prime). Not having an alibi doesn't make m the thief, call another witness to the stand.

  • @MrDowntemp0
    @MrDowntemp0 Před 2 lety +5

    That's a nice Casio, Matt. Can we get a review?!

  • @markiangooley
    @markiangooley Před 2 lety +1

    I saw 91 and something in my brain immediately said “it’s 70 plus 21 so 7 times 13”

  • @nuzayerov
    @nuzayerov Před 3 měsíci +2

    That's a very Parker Prime Number test!

  • @timothywhite8932
    @timothywhite8932 Před 2 lety +6

    Hey Numberphile I love the channel. Is there a chance you could do a video on celestial navigation?

  • @mattasker1914
    @mattasker1914 Před 2 lety +11

    Are these star numbers found by checking every number up to the limit and seeing that they do not lie for any or is there a proof that gives this limit without having to check? I'm assuming the former but would be cool to know.

  • @UnrivaledLimit0500
    @UnrivaledLimit0500 Před rokem +2

    I loved this video and love matt parker. Great

  • @michael_aigner
    @michael_aigner Před 2 lety

    What i like most about Brady's style of interviewing is, that it is on such a personal level. Also for example when he says "Brilliant, they are great people"

  • @xenlol
    @xenlol Před 2 lety +4

    cant wait for the parker square numbers

  • @bazyt1
    @bazyt1 Před 2 lety +21

    Such a cool concept. Those unreliable witnesses...🤣

  • @YossiSirote
    @YossiSirote Před 2 lety +1

    I’d Love more on this topic.

  • @WaterCrane
    @WaterCrane Před 2 lety +1

    Though not quite the same, one probabilistic primality test I like is the Fermat primality test - it's kind of like a worse version of the Miller-Rabin primality test. It builds on Fermat's Little Theorem and states that if a^(p - 1) ≡ 1 (mod p) with 1 < a < p - 1, then p is probably prime. And if the congruence doesn't hold for a given a, then p is composite.
    However, there is a class of numbers where ALL coprimes of a between 1 and p - 1 are congruent to 1 (mod p) even though p is composite. These are known as Carmichael Numbers, and the smallest is 561 = 3 * 11 * 17. Indeed, the test only fails if a is set to one of its factors (which you can trivially divide p by to confirm it's compositeness).

  • @chrisrj9871
    @chrisrj9871 Před 2 lety +4

    You need a video about 7 and 11, and have it be sponsored by 7Eleven :D

  •  Před 2 lety +7

    Excellent video, funny, interesting, well edited. 10/10.

  • @szymonrutyna166
    @szymonrutyna166 Před 2 lety

    Love this channel.

  • @sherlock_norris
    @sherlock_norris Před 2 lety +1

    "The numbers don't lie." - "Well actually they do!"

  • @constantinburgi3995
    @constantinburgi3995 Před 2 lety +3

    So extrapolating from the groups, just take the first k primes to get to 2^f(k) for some function f? Or has this be disproven? How does this algorithm compare to other ways to test for primes in efficiency?

  • @PokeCastle
    @PokeCastle Před 2 lety +21

    Judge : 4 was found guilty and is sentenced to become a part of Collartz Conjecture loop.
    Lawyer : But almost all of the witnesses says 4 isn't guilty!
    Judge : But 1662803, 23, 13, and 2 said that he is guilty!

  • @PC_Simo
    @PC_Simo Před rokem +1

    Also, for smaller numbers (like, 91), you can call over 1/4 of all witnesses (like, a half); and, if all of them say it’s prime, it’s definitely prime. Of course, it won’t work for bigger numbers (like, a trillion); so, for those, you’d better call up the star witnesses.

  • @PC_Simo
    @PC_Simo Před rokem +2

    9:55 ”If they *_COSINE”_* 🙃

  • @davidgillies620
    @davidgillies620 Před 2 lety +5

    The 4^-k probability of falsely declaring a number prime is a very pessimistic one as the number being tested gets bigger and the number of witnesses increases. And if you're worried, then iterate for 25 or 50 different witnesses. It's a sufficiently fast algorithm that you can afford to do that even for RSA-sized primes - 800 decimal digits or so - if you don't mind waiting a few milliseconds. Also, you can tweak Miller-Rabin to sometimes get a prime factor out of a number in addition to proving its compositeness.

    • @gregorymorse8423
      @gregorymorse8423 Před 2 lety

      Apparently around 4 or 5 random tests is sufficient. 1/4 liars is an upper bound and when dealing with cryptographic sized numbers it's actually far less. So in practice my intuition to do like you say k of 50 or 100 is no needed at all. Although your choices must be random.

  • @caderrabeth
    @caderrabeth Před 2 lety +7

    This is super cool and interesting, but I'm left to wonder why in the heck it works like it does.

    • @alexpotts6520
      @alexpotts6520 Před 2 lety

      This looks very similar to Fermat's Little Theorem, I can't remember whether Numberphile's ever done a video on the topic but some other channels definitely have (I'd recommend Mathologer's)

    • @zanti4132
      @zanti4132 Před 2 lety

      @@alexpotts6520 Numberphile does have a video on this topic called "Liar Numbers".

  • @Seltyk
    @Seltyk Před 2 lety +1

    As soon as I saw the title I knew this would be the Miller-Rabin test; I just happened to be working with it last week

  • @chrisingle5839
    @chrisingle5839 Před 2 lety +1

    M.C Escher print on the wall! Nice!

  • @p11111
    @p11111 Před 2 lety +4

    The primes are the best witnesses because they know who's in their crime family

  • @egonmilanowski
    @egonmilanowski Před 2 lety +7

    I am looking forward to Legal Eagle's interpretation of this case.

  • @niklyoshi842
    @niklyoshi842 Před 2 lety +1

    The fact that all these large numbers feel so random is what makes this so interesting tbh lol

  • @Sam-ey1nn
    @Sam-ey1nn Před 2 lety

    Matt’s videos are always funny but this is his funniest yet. Star Witness, celebrity numbers. :)

  • @raedev
    @raedev Před 2 lety +3

    is it a coicidence that all the star witnessses are prime as well? or at least the smaller ones seem to be

  • @UMosNyu
    @UMosNyu Před 2 lety +4

    I tried writing is myself and I am stuck on 673.
    673 is 2^5*21+1
    FIRST WITNESS: 2
    2 ^ 21 mod 673 is 84 -> not a prime.
    But 673 is a prime number ... Did I miss something?

    • @longtimenodotes2717
      @longtimenodotes2717 Před 2 lety +1

      (2^21) * (2 ^ 3) mod 673 = -1
      We can multiply with 2^r where 0 < r < s.

    • @adamsbja
      @adamsbja Před 2 lety +2

      From 8:00, you can pull 2's off the first part. 2^21 mod 673 doesn't work, but 2^168 mod 673 [168 is 21*2*2*2] is -1.

    • @ghislainbugnicourt3709
      @ghislainbugnicourt3709 Před 2 lety

      Same thing with the prime number 149 (picked randomly). If we test with a=2 or even a=23, they say it's not a prime because we don't get 1 or -1 mod 149.
      I suspect the rule given in the video is a Parker rule.

    • @jamesknapp64
      @jamesknapp64 Před 2 lety

      @@adamsbja correct, I wish they did 17 as an example of why the power of 2 multiplication is important.

    • @tomashrazdira1766
      @tomashrazdira1766 Před 2 lety +1

      I don't get it as well.
      37 = 2 ^ 2 x 9 + 1
      2 ^ 9 mod 37 = 512 mod 37 = 31 => not prime
      but 37 is prime...
      Edit:
      Ok, the part at 8:00 is important
      2 ^ (9 * 2^0) mod 37 = 512 mod 37 = 31 => not prime
      2 ^ (9 * 2^1) mod 37 = 262 144 mod 37 = 36 => prime

  • @jaredeudell8953
    @jaredeudell8953 Před 2 lety

    I didn't understand a word of this, but enjoyed it immensely.

  • @KarlFarbman
    @KarlFarbman Před 2 lety

    Lawyer by trade, numberphile by hobby. This is SO up my alley.

  • @GRBtutorials
    @GRBtutorials Před 2 lety +6

    Something that wasn’t said in the video is that there’s a number that’s trivially always a strong liar if the number isn’t prime: 1, because 1 to the power of anything is 1, which is congruent to 1 modulo anything. 1 is the kind of witness who just wants to get out of the courtroom ASAP, so it’ll accuse anyone on the stand and leave.

  • @TronSAHeroXYZ
    @TronSAHeroXYZ Před 2 lety +3

    13:01 N< 1Trillion, 122 Billion, 4 Million, 669 Thousand, 633
    Not 1 Quadrillion. Imagine if he was your banker/broker manager.

  • @blackthedog6004
    @blackthedog6004 Před 2 lety +1

    I really like this episode. That witness-cop description makes it really interesting(which is already interesting. A prime seeking method?)

  • @JonSebastianF
    @JonSebastianF Před 2 lety

    14:17 “There you are! - That's putting a little *_boe_* on this figure, isn't it?...”

  • @expomath9348
    @expomath9348 Před 2 lety +7

    Contenu toujours intéressant et travail de grande qualité. Merci pour le partage.
    For non french speaker i translate : Hi how are you today. it's raining in my Paris. Thank you

  • @monkerud2108
    @monkerud2108 Před 2 lety +3

    Can you guys see whats so hard about Mersenne primes? I have this sneaky feeling twin primes and Mersenne primes are some strange bedfellows.

    • @jamesknapp64
      @jamesknapp64 Před 2 lety

      Well first of Mersenne numbers have their own primality test which only works for them and is much more efficient than this one. Also 2 is a liar for all Marsenne Numbers (and all Fermat Numbers), using this test with 2 will same Prime for all Marsenne Numbers, whether prime or composite

  • @denfarc
    @denfarc Před 2 lety +1

    Great! Another amazing idea about numbers. Numbers are fun and interesting but crazy sometimes hahaha 👍👍

  • @MATHSPreparations2090
    @MATHSPreparations2090 Před 2 lety

    Thank you

  • @kjdude8765
    @kjdude8765 Před 2 lety +8

    When Matt talked about how large 23^373 was I was thinking: just punch it in Wolfram Alpha. Glad to see I was right.

  • @shailushiritchie974
    @shailushiritchie974 Před 2 lety +3

    actually, 18/90=1/5, not 1/4.

  • @agargamer6759
    @agargamer6759 Před 2 lety

    This is great!

  • @shruggzdastr8-facedclown
    @shruggzdastr8-facedclown Před 7 měsíci +1

    Methinks that a cool name for the witness numbers 31 and 73 would be "[the] Dirty Harry numbers"